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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:43 pm

continental004 wrote:
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I believe it was a mistake for states that did not see a spike yet to lockdown too early. All it did was delay the inevitable while depleting the population's cooperation capital, which you then are short of when the real wave arrives. Lockdowns only flatten the curve, they do not stop the spread.


California in a nutshell. We were the first state to "lockdown" and our case numbers are spiking.

But California also started easing its lockdown which led to spikes. It's the same thing that's happening in WA. Over here, they've paused the reopenings. Counties that were eligible to fully open are now stuck in Phase 3 and some others are being rumored to fall back to a more restrictive phase.
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:15 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
continental004 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
I believe it was a mistake for states that did not see a spike yet to lockdown too early. All it did was delay the inevitable while depleting the population's cooperation capital, which you then are short of when the real wave arrives. Lockdowns only flatten the curve, they do not stop the spread.


California in a nutshell. We were the first state to "lockdown" and our case numbers are spiking.

But California also started easing its lockdown which led to spikes. It's the same thing that's happening in WA. Over here, they've paused the reopenings. Counties that were eligible to fully open are now stuck in Phase 3 and some others are being rumored to fall back to a more restrictive phase.

Does Washington State have a lot of meat plants and if so, is that leading to an increase in COVID-19 cases there since Trump ordered them to stay open.
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:20 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
continental004 wrote:

California in a nutshell. We were the first state to "lockdown" and our case numbers are spiking.

But California also started easing its lockdown which led to spikes. It's the same thing that's happening in WA. Over here, they've paused the reopenings. Counties that were eligible to fully open are now stuck in Phase 3 and some others are being rumored to fall back to a more restrictive phase.

Does Washington State have a lot of meat plants and if so, is that leading to an increase in COVID-19 cases there since Trump ordered them to stay open.

Yes. Yakima County in particular (the worst-hit county in the state) has a lot of agricultural plants both meat and produce related. There's one hospital in Yakima County, and they've been full for a while. Many of their COVID patients have been transported to Seattle.
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:28 pm

luckyone wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
But California also started easing its lockdown which led to spikes. It's the same thing that's happening in WA. Over here, they've paused the reopenings. Counties that were eligible to fully open are now stuck in Phase 3 and some others are being rumored to fall back to a more restrictive phase.

Does Washington State have a lot of meat plants and if so, is that leading to an increase in COVID-19 cases there since Trump ordered them to stay open.

Yes. Yakima County in particular (the worst-hit county in the state) has a lot of agricultural plants both meat and produce related. There's one hospital in Yakima County, and they've been full for a while. Many of their COVID patients have been transported to Seattle.

Are the meat plants a big factor in Yakima County COVID-19 outbreaks and are cases there going up heavily.
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:34 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
continental004 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
I believe it was a mistake for states that did not see a spike yet to lockdown too early. All it did was delay the inevitable while depleting the population's cooperation capital, which you then are short of when the real wave arrives. Lockdowns only flatten the curve, they do not stop the spread.


California in a nutshell. We were the first state to "lockdown" and our case numbers are spiking.

But California also started easing its lockdown which led to spikes. It's the same thing that's happening in WA. Over here, they've paused the reopenings. Counties that were eligible to fully open are now stuck in Phase 3 and some others are being rumored to fall back to a more restrictive phase.


Re-opening ought not to lead to case spikes per se. As long as people wear masks and social-distance, that should do the job.
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:35 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
continental004 wrote:

California in a nutshell. We were the first state to "lockdown" and our case numbers are spiking.

But California also started easing its lockdown which led to spikes. It's the same thing that's happening in WA. Over here, they've paused the reopenings. Counties that were eligible to fully open are now stuck in Phase 3 and some others are being rumored to fall back to a more restrictive phase.


Re-opening ought not to lead to case spikes per se. As long as people wear masks and social-distance, that should do the job.

Also wash their hands and avoid non essential travel.
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:25 pm

stl07 wrote:
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    This one I think https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/1276560430371164161?s=20

    Here in Australia we're aghast at the single state with double digit new infections over the last few days. Its (comparatively) poor controls are stopping us opening up domestic movement.

    Oh, you can't go on vacation...First world problems. In 3rd world countries like the US, the corrupt politicians are openly telling not to wear masks or bother with anything like that, and any state with a double-digit increase is viewed as a success story.


    Absolutely a first world island problem, but we're so close to reopening domestic economic activity that it's very frustrating. SOme of the other states are advocating suburb by suburb lockdowns to prevent further spread.

    We were in Florida at New Years and did a road trip across GA, SC, AL and MS to NOLA, before heading back to BOS and home via HKG. So many places that this could have been an issue if we were a few weeks later.
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    Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

    Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:39 am

    Dieuwer wrote:
    Re-opening ought not to lead to case spikes per se. As long as people wear masks and social-distance, that should do the job.

    But they're not, because masks are not being required by businesses (and even counties and businesses are preempted from requiring them) and social distance is non-existent in many places. At a time when it was still not safe to open, bars and restaurants were already being allowed at near or full capacity, with masks being optional or discouraged. Any person in their right mind would not have participated in these events, but after being locked down for so long, it's human nature to want to partake in a little social interaction. The problem is that it's the only thing Covid needs to spread.
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    Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

    Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:53 am

    Dieuwer wrote:
    einsteinboricua wrote:
    continental004 wrote:

    California in a nutshell. We were the first state to "lockdown" and our case numbers are spiking.

    But California also started easing its lockdown which led to spikes. It's the same thing that's happening in WA. Over here, they've paused the reopenings. Counties that were eligible to fully open are now stuck in Phase 3 and some others are being rumored to fall back to a more restrictive phase.


    Re-opening ought not to lead to case spikes per se. As long as people wear masks and social-distance, that should do the job.

    And that's the key. When St. Louis reopened, they specifically said it was not because of lower virus numbers but because they needed to prop up the economy. But, the minute the shutdown ended, everyone started saying it's done and didn't wear masks and started going to large gatherings, and then when people questioned it, they pointed to Trump also saying the same thing
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    Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

    Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:08 am

    Could an effective antibody treatment be the key to safely reopening these states? (So then infected people can be taken out of circulation and can be cured quickly.)
     
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    Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

    Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:22 pm

    Dieuwer wrote:
    Fact: Florida’s Rt is second highest, right below Nevada.
    Fact: daily new cases in FL are now the highest in the country (9,585).

    Are there a large number of meat plants in Nevada and is that leading to a huge increase in cases there considering that Trump ordered them to stay open and Nevada is run by Democrats?

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