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Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:12 am

This topic warrants it's own thread because of the political nature of the subject. Dallas has started to remove the Confederate War Memorial that has stood at Piooner Park since 1961. The monument was considered for removal since last year, but there were problems in the decision making process. However, the George Floyd protests led to the removal finally taking place. It is a very controversial issue that may results in such monuments being recontextualized.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:21 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
This topic warrants it's own thread because of the political nature of the subject. Dallas has started to remove the Confederate War Memorial that has stood at Piooner Park since 1961. The monument was considered for removal since last year, but there were problems in the decision making process. However, the George Floyd protests led to the removal finally taking place. It is a very controversial issue that may results in such monuments being recontextualized.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-an ... ts-removed


It's been there since 1961? What was going on at the time? Oh yeah......
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:11 am

LMP737 wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
This topic warrants it's own thread because of the political nature of the subject. Dallas has started to remove the Confederate War Memorial that has stood at Piooner Park since 1961. The monument was considered for removal since last year, but there were problems in the decision making process. However, the George Floyd protests led to the removal finally taking place. It is a very controversial issue that may results in such monuments being recontextualized.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-an ... ts-removed


It's been there since 1961? What was going on at the time? Oh yeah......

The monument was built in the late 19th century at another location in Dallas, but was moved to it's current location in 1961.
 
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:20 pm

I'm glad another enemy of the Untied States monument has been removed.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:28 pm

I look at the bright side. At least we are making room for truly good people to memorialize.

There are far too many folks that cling to the heritage of hate than the heritage of honor.

There should be more statues of people that helped American move forward.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:46 pm

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I'm glad another enemy of the Untied States monument has been removed.

What do you know about the particular monument at Pioneer Park Cemetery.
 
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:31 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
I'm glad another enemy of the Untied States monument has been removed.


We’re the Untied States, who knew? I’m still waiting to see Stone Mountain pulled down.
 
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:57 am

casinterest wrote:
I look at the bright side. At least we are making room for truly good people to memorialize.

There are far too many folks that cling to the heritage of hate than the heritage of honor.

There should be more statues of people that helped American move forward.


Then more statues of Donald Trump!! (After he completes the second term).
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:40 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
casinterest wrote:
I look at the bright side. At least we are making room for truly good people to memorialize.

There are far too many folks that cling to the heritage of hate than the heritage of honor.

There should be more statues of people that helped American move forward.


Then more statues of Donald Trump!! (After he completes the second term).


Dream on...in one fell swoop he's turned the long standing GOP favored military against that party. Like add water instant fast.

But I'll contribute to buying Legos to help build the trump Presidential Library. I'm sure kindergartners nationwide, hell worldwide will happily share/donate coloring books and crayons.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:52 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
casinterest wrote:
I look at the bright side. At least we are making room for truly good people to memorialize.

There are far too many folks that cling to the heritage of hate than the heritage of honor.

There should be more statues of people that helped American move forward.


Then more statues of Donald Trump!! (After he completes the second term).


Nothing great about him. Other than in front of a Liars club.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:57 pm

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The monument was built in the late 19th century at another location in Dallas, but was moved to it's current location in 1961.


Which begs the rhetorical question what was going on in the late 19th century.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
The monument was built in the late 19th century at another location in Dallas, but was moved to it's current location in 1961.


Which begs the rhetorical question what was going on in the late 19th century.

Jim Crow laws were in place back then in Texas and it was originally located in what is now Old City Park.
 
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:02 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
The monument was built in the late 19th century at another location in Dallas, but was moved to it's current location in 1961.


Which begs the rhetorical question what was going on in the late 19th century.


From Wikipedia:

The monument was designed by Frank Teich, who in 1896 was made an honorary member of Dallas Chapter, No. 6 of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). The cornerstone was dedicated by the UDC Dallas chapter on June 25, 1896. The dedication of the monument on April 29, 1897 was attended by thousands, with hundreds of Confederate veterans, including Colonel William Lyne Crawford and Texas governor Charles Allen Culberson.

The dedication of both the cornerstone and the monument itself took place during Katie Doswell Cabell's first of two terms as president of the Texas Division of the UDC.

Her position in that office at that time may account for the inclusion of the marble bas relief roundel portrait bust of her father, William Lewis Cabell, on the south side of the monument base. W.L. Cabell served three two-year terms as mayor of Dallas (1874–1876, 1877–1879 and 1883–1885). A Confederate veteran who attained the rank of brigadier-general, Cabell remained active in the United Confederate Veterans until his death in 1911. Cabell's grandson, Earle Cabell, was serving as mayor of Dallas when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated there on November 22, 1963.

The monument was originally located at Sullivan Park (later renamed Old City Park), but was relocated to Pioneer Park in 1961 due to construction on R.L. Thornton Freeway. The monument was rededicated on April 29, 1962, with Earle Cabell scheduled to be in attendance. The Dallas chapter of the UDC initiated a restoration project in 1992, culminating in the monument's second rededication on October 12, 1997.

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The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC)

The Children of the Confederacy, also known as the CofC, is an auxiliary organization to the UDC. The official name is Children of the Confederacy of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. It comprises children from birth through the time of the Children of the Confederacy Annual General Convention following their 18th birthday. All Children of the Confederacy chapters are sponsored by UDC chapters. Children are taught Lyon Gardiner Tyler's "Catechism on the History of the Confederate States of America, 1861-1865," which says that Northerners did away with slavery because the climate was unsuitable, that they had no intention of ever paying the South for its slaves after abolition, that slaves in the South were faithful to their owners, who were caring and gentle people: cruel slave owners existed only in the North.

"Rallying behind powerful women such as Mildred Lewis Rutherford, the UDC relentlessly lobbied legislatures for public school textbooks that presented a pro-Confederate version of regional history and successfully blacklisted those that were “unjust to the institutions of the South."

Many historians have described the organization's portrayal of the Confederate States of America (CSA), along with its promotion of the Lost Cause movement, as advocacy for white supremacy, and have asserted that promotion of the Confederate tradition has been led by the UDC.Until recent decades, the UDC was also involved in building monuments to commemorate the Ku Klux Klan.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:56 pm

So, what will happen to the statue, buried in some warehouse likely. Will its pedestal or other supporting structure be removed too ?
I think we need to replace these sites of removed statues and memorials with nice planting of flowers, and trees, with a small sign noting there past.
 
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm

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From Wikipedia:

The monument was designed by Frank Teich, who in 1896 was made an honorary member of Dallas Chapter, No. 6 of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). The cornerstone was dedicated by the UDC Dallas chapter on June 25, 1896. The dedication of the monument on April 29, 1897 was attended by thousands, with hundreds of Confederate veterans, including Colonel William Lyne Crawford and Texas governor Charles Allen Culberson.

The dedication of both the cornerstone and the monument itself took place during Katie Doswell Cabell's first of two terms as president of the Texas Division of the UDC.

Her position in that office at that time may account for the inclusion of the marble bas relief roundel portrait bust of her father, William Lewis Cabell, on the south side of the monument base. W.L. Cabell served three two-year terms as mayor of Dallas (1874–1876, 1877–1879 and 1883–1885). A Confederate veteran who attained the rank of brigadier-general, Cabell remained active in the United Confederate Veterans until his death in 1911. Cabell's grandson, Earle Cabell, was serving as mayor of Dallas when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated there on November 22, 1963.

The monument was originally located at Sullivan Park (later renamed Old City Park), but was relocated to Pioneer Park in 1961 due to construction on R.L. Thornton Freeway. The monument was rededicated on April 29, 1962, with Earle Cabell scheduled to be in attendance. The Dallas chapter of the UDC initiated a restoration project in 1992, culminating in the monument's second rededication on October 12, 1997.

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The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC)

The Children of the Confederacy, also known as the CofC, is an auxiliary organization to the UDC. The official name is Children of the Confederacy of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. It comprises children from birth through the time of the Children of the Confederacy Annual General Convention following their 18th birthday. All Children of the Confederacy chapters are sponsored by UDC chapters. Children are taught Lyon Gardiner Tyler's "Catechism on the History of the Confederate States of America, 1861-1865," which says that Northerners did away with slavery because the climate was unsuitable, that they had no intention of ever paying the South for its slaves after abolition, that slaves in the South were faithful to their owners, who were caring and gentle people: cruel slave owners existed only in the North.

"Rallying behind powerful women such as Mildred Lewis Rutherford, the UDC relentlessly lobbied legislatures for public school textbooks that presented a pro-Confederate version of regional history and successfully blacklisted those that were “unjust to the institutions of the South."

Many historians have described the organization's portrayal of the Confederate States of America (CSA), along with its promotion of the Lost Cause movement, as advocacy for white supremacy, and have asserted that promotion of the Confederate tradition has been led by the UDC.Until recent decades, the UDC was also involved in building monuments to commemorate the Ku Klux Klan.


Ah yeah, the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Anyone familiar with them knows what they are all about. Thanks for looking that up DIRECTFLT.
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:07 pm

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The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC)

The Children of the Confederacy, also known as the CofC, is an auxiliary organization to the UDC. The official name is Children of the Confederacy of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. It comprises children from birth through the time of the Children of the Confederacy Annual General Convention following their 18th birthday.


Why do groups like this exist? Why do people want to be part of a Confederacy they have no experience or memory of?

The average life expectancy for those born in 1850 was 50 years, meaning virtually all of those who were the youngest of the Confederate era were gone by the start of the 20th century. Which means in 2020 there would be only a minuscule number of very elderly people who actually have knowledge of meeting those who were themselves kids during the Confederacy when they were young, and I bet none of these current day elderly people were so enthralled by the stories of those young Confederates they aspire to carry on it’s legacy.

Anyone who is emulating the Confederacy never heard what it was like first hand. There might as well be groups lobbying today to honour the traditions of the Roman legions, the Mongol hordes and the Spartan Army
 
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Re: Confederate Monuement in Dallas Removed

Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:06 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
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The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC)

The Children of the Confederacy, also known as the CofC, is an auxiliary organization to the UDC. The official name is Children of the Confederacy of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. It comprises children from birth through the time of the Children of the Confederacy Annual General Convention following their 18th birthday.


Why do groups like this exist? Why do people want to be part of a Confederacy they have no experience or memory of?

The average life expectancy for those born in 1850 was 50 years, meaning virtually all of those who were the youngest of the Confederate era were gone by the start of the 20th century. Which means in 2020 there would be only a minuscule number of very elderly people who actually have knowledge of meeting those who were themselves kids during the Confederacy when they were young, and I bet none of these current day elderly people were so enthralled by the stories of those young Confederates they aspire to carry on it’s legacy.

Anyone who is emulating the Confederacy never heard what it was like first hand. There might as well be groups lobbying today to honour the traditions of the Roman legions, the Mongol hordes and the Spartan Army


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