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Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:40 pm

Sam Schwartz in New York City has proposed a bridge for pedestrians and cyclists only called the Queens Ribbon to connect Midtown Manhattan and Long Island City in Queens amid a surge in bicycle riders due to the COVID-19 pandemic. This bridge would be the first to connect Manhattan and Long Island in over 100 years, would use a stress ribbon design, be 20 feet wide with half the width for pedestrians and the other half for bicyclists and would cost $100 million to build. It is a very exciting project that hopefully will be built.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:49 am

Interesting, given my comments about bikes on Brooklyn Bridge in the other thread.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:50 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Interesting, given my comments about bikes on Brooklyn Bridge in the other thread.

What is the likelihood that the bridge in question will be built?
 
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:57 am

100 million for a bicycle bridge, huh? Will New York City begin requiring registration of and license plates on bicycles as a means of paying for the cost of this bridge, or will there simply be a toll charge for using it levied on pedestrians and cyclists?
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:28 am

TSS wrote:
100 million for a bicycle bridge, huh? Will New York City begin requiring registration of and license plates on bicycles as a means of paying for the cost of this bridge, or will there simply be a toll charge for using it levied on pedestrians and cyclists?


A toll would be simplest, rather than the admin. headache of licensing for little to no value. A low toll to encourage high volumes and amortising over a decent lengthy period would probably work.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:34 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
Interesting, given my comments about bikes on Brooklyn Bridge in the other thread.

What is the likelihood that the bridge in question will be built?


Probably low, as with most expensive cycling infrstructure.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:32 am

TSS wrote:
100 million for a bicycle bridge, huh? Will New York City begin requiring registration of and license plates on bicycles as a means of paying for the cost of this bridge, or will there simply be a toll charge for using it levied on pedestrians and cyclists?

$100 million today is quite cheap to build a bridge of this scale today.
 
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:51 am

There is nothing new in this world. More than 50 years ago, William F. Buckley (a man whom, incidentally, I respected greatly) proposed bicycle bridges/paths/almost-highways (and a 15-cent toll to retire the debt) for New York:

"Everyone was waiting for the send-up and one day Buckley called a press conference to announce plans for an elevated bicycle path along Second Avenue. He didn’t just talk about it. He did it to a fare-thee-well. He had engineering drawings of the elevated pathways, income projections from the tolls, charts about debt service, all sorts of folderol. "You never quite knew when Buckley was needling you, so, after listening to all this, WOR reporter Danny Meenan said, sort of tentatively, “Uh, the Buckley Bikeway?” “Yaaas,” the candidate drawled with one of those elongated vowels that were familiar to anyone who watched his TV programs, “my finest hour.”


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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:54 am

That'd be pretty nice. Anything that encourages more bicycle and foot transportation is always welcome in a crowded city.

$100 million is a bargain, although if it went ahead I doubt it would stick to that budget.
Still, even if it ends up costing 3 times as much, it's a drop in the bucket for NYC's $90b annual budget, and infrastructure projects are always in 'fashion' in times of economic crises.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:25 am

20 foot seems a bit narrow for both a footpath and bicycle path.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:20 am

petertenthije wrote:
20 foot seems a bit narrow for both a footpath and bicycle path.

What would be a good width for a bicycle and pedestrian path?
 
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:56 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
20 foot seems a bit narrow for both a footpath and bicycle path.

What would be a good width for a bicycle and pedestrian path?


A study here in Australia concluded that 3.5m width (almost 12ft) is the minimum width for a shared pedestrian/cyclist pathway to avoid regular conflict bewteen users. My observation has been that this width works overall well for attentive users during low to moderate density of usage. Again, based on my observations, pedestrians tend to be less attentive, more random in their actions and more fearful than cyclists of fellow users.

For a high usage bridge, I'd be (as a minmium in this location) looking at separating bikes and pedestrians, with 20ft for bikes and 10ft for pedestrians.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:30 pm

Would be cool if it would be built and good for NYC's infrastructure.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:53 pm

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Would be cool if it would be built and good for NYC's infrastructure.

What is biking infrastructure in Amsterdam like compared to New York City?
 
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:22 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
Would be cool if it would be built and good for NYC's infrastructure.

What is biking infrastructure in Amsterdam like compared to New York City?


Does not compare. In the 60ish the Dutch decided to build the bike infrastructure because of too many people dying in traffic. It was a conscious choice. My city of Utrecht has been the the World's Most Bicycle-Friendly City, We have the crossing where most bikes cross in Europe (so supposedly also in the world?), an endless stream of bikes in the morning. and evening traffic, all heading to the train station. I think I read somewhere that 40% plus of all trips were done by bike in Utrecht, for me it id certainly true, I almost do all my city rides by bike. Amsterdam only got in fifth place :D

American cities, in general, are built around the car, I think a strategic mistake not easily corrected anymore. I know that NYC and especially Manhattan, most people don't even own a car anymore. Of course, the public transit system is great and most of Manhattan can be done by foot anyway. The last time I was there, in 2011, most streets were still full of cars. If you want to get serious about changing that, you need to give the car a secondary role and make it much more attractive to use a bike for small distances, less then 30minutes. So transform half the streets of Manhattan into bike lanes and then you see a real change. The last time I observed it, it was right out dangerous to ride a bike in NYC, drivers aren't aware of bikes and that makes it very dangerous to ride there.
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:46 pm

I wonder how the plan incorporates the approval and input by the New York City Police Department on the security aspect of the bridge at a time when defunding is going on (?) Great timing! Way to go on getting our priorities in order!
 
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Re: Bicycle Bridge Proposed for New York City

Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:52 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Part of the reason why it makes sense to build such a bridge.


But, does it make sense?

What's the "pay-off"?

How much will such a bridge reduce vehicular traffic, if any? What about the winter months, or inclement weather?

Could the $100M be better spent on other maintaining/upgrading the current infrastructure? I lived in NY for a long time...I'm sure there are plenty of projects that could benefit.

That having been said, I wouldn't reject such a project out-of-hand simply because the cost/benefit analysis doesn't come close to even. There may be some very real tangible and intangible benefits to a project such as this.
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