seb146 wrote:LabQuest wrote:seb146 wrote:
There are shootings every day in the United States. Not just Chicago. Shootings happen in Reno and Salt Lake and Dallas as well. Singling out Chicago is wrong. Also, yes, there are those gun safety measure in place, but they are not used in places like Texas and Indiana because "big gub'mint is takin r gunz!!!" crowd decided we don't need no stinking background checks or red flag laws. Recall that red flag laws would have made a difference in the last mass shooting we had. But, that infringes on rights, according to Republicans.
We have five year olds shooting their parents or siblings, too. They can not legally possess guns and, yet, they are shooting people.
It is illegal to carry marijuana in some states, yet people do. It is illegal to drive drunk yet people do. Maybe if the government tracked guns that would help. But, again, we can't do that or anything similar because Republicans whine that violates 2A rights. Maybe they should stop thinking those Black people are illegally carrying guns and start understanding they are part of a "well regulated militia".
Seb you really are wrong on this one. It really is all about Chicago. Yes, there are shootings every day in the USA. Its part of the burden of gun ownership. There's going to be those who are law breakers. But Chicago is an outlier. They vastly outnumber every other major metro area by far with mass shooting gun violence. They're protecting their drug territory due to the failed drug war and systematic incarceration policy. There are more guns in areas where gang and drug activity is non-existent. They're using guns because its the only means they have.
You can track guns all day long but if they're stolen what does it matter? Are you willing to go to jail because someone stole your legally purchased gun?
There was just a shooting at a mall in Alabama. That makes Alabama an outlier. A few years ago, a woman in San Francisco was shot walking down the street during a private gun sale.
Besides, what makes you think that every gun shot in Chicago is drug related? People have guns for other reasons. Protection from domestic disputes, protection from home invasion, because they look cool.... the list goes on. I am not denying that there is gun violence because of drugs. No doubt. But, just because Chicago has a higher rate of gun violence than, say, Denver, is meaningless. Thanks to the right wing Supreme Court, there is nothing we can do about it. So, stop pointing at Chicago and insisting that is the whole country. Chicago has tried and is trying to do something about it. But with lax gun laws in neighboring states, there is not much they can do. Right wingers on SCOTUS will just strike down laws anyway. I think that is something we need to discuss. Not "but Chicago!"
The situation in Chicago is because of conservatives ?! That is a place where liberal politicians have used great wealth to put their ideas fully into practice. Blaming the Supreme Court for the existence of guns in the US is not logical. What you really should blame is the Bill of Rights. That goes back to 1789. To repeal parts of the Bill of Rights is pretty radical stuff, and it won't happen. Supreme Court has little to do with it AFAIK
If the Chicago police had permission to defeat and neutralize the gunmen Chicago, they could do it. But the local leaders apparently don't want the gunmen to be stopped.