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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:59 pm

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BLM and their supporters are using words like "equality" and "racism" on international websites, which makes it an international issue.


I would say it is more of an international issue than simply one group posting on international web sites. People in Europe used to look to the United States for leadership and guidance. Over the past 3 1/2 years, they have seen a rise in domestic terrorism from White nationalist groups as well as racial killings by police. Our closest allies have seen how far we have fallen in just 3 1/2 years.


Yes, it all changed on Jan 20th, 2016, do you know any history of US-EU relations? It’s way more complicated than Trump.


Unboxing a scaled model airplane is more complicated than trump, that's no challenge.

How about your share your take on the History of 'US-EU relations'(as related to this Topic) for all to see and I'll do a follow up....


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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:30 pm

Cops need to be violent when the situational requires it. Cops need to follow their guidelines. Protesters need to be peaceful, there is no need for the cops to go ape on them. When they start misbehaving, they can expect an appropriate response. Too many people are using the current situation to beat defenseless people and they get away with it.

Maybe people need to stop videoing themselves for their fifteen minutes of fame.

If protesters stay off the freeway, they won't get hit by vehicular traffic, will they?
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:34 pm

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I know the center is annoying to polemicists (on either side), but hey, that's just a fact of life. Oh well, drowning out the harmful elements of the fringes is EXACTLY what the country needs.


How fascist of you. Who made you the judge? You seem to vent your opinion, and right or wrong, you are entitled to it. You may think you are a centrist, but others will have a different opinion.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:50 pm

extender wrote:
Cops need to be violent when the situational requires it. Cops need to follow their guidelines. Protesters need to be peaceful, there is no need for the cops to go ape on them. When they start misbehaving, they can expect an appropriate response. Too many people are using the current situation to beat defenseless people and they get away with it.

Maybe people need to stop videoing themselves for their fifteen minutes of fame.

If protesters stay off the freeway, they won't get hit by vehicular traffic, will they?

Isn't this a bit fascist too? I believe that is how China sees it too. Advocating for violence by a state or community authorized entity on the people? Better only protest how I approve!

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:51 pm

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Maybe people need to stop videoing themselves for their fifteen minutes of fame.

Like I said earlier, at this point a great deal of it is exhibitionism and virtue signaling.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:25 pm

Tugger wrote:
extender wrote:
Cops need to be violent when the situational requires it. Cops need to follow their guidelines. Protesters need to be peaceful, there is no need for the cops to go ape on them. When they start misbehaving, they can expect an appropriate response. Too many people are using the current situation to beat defenseless people and they get away with it.

Maybe people need to stop videoing themselves for their fifteen minutes of fame.

If protesters stay off the freeway, they won't get hit by vehicular traffic, will they?

Isn't this a bit fascist too? I believe that is how China sees it too. Advocating for violence by a state or community authorized entity on the people? Better only protest how I approve!

Tugg


The key difference between USA and China is we have democratically elected legislators write our laws, and a more or less democratically elected head of state sign those laws. We can also elect different people to change those laws or their enforcement style. This is a huge difference between us and China.

The promise was never that we can do anything we want blocking public roads, or with other people's property (unless we change the laws so we can).
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:45 pm

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Maybe people need to stop videoing themselves for their fifteen minutes of fame.


Maybe???

Maybe, why Maybe?

What has that to do with anything or offend you?

It drives me nuts that this trend seems to have everyone on board..clicking everywhere and everything but mainly themselves, but they are absolutely free to do that..even when they go too far as many have done and went flying off 1000ft cliffs trying to get that pose.

Rock Climber (stories) annoy me, they're upside down defying gravity, feeling achieved and getting off on it...then a misstep and 'Ooops '..life over. Physics always went in that scenario.

But they are each when their rights.

It is apparently okay to kill yourself while having fun (drug overdoses included) but no outright suicide (frowned upon) or acts of euthanasia - also frowned upon by many.



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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:23 pm

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This makes no sense whatsoever...looking at the perception graph above and at your comments - compare them shall we?


What exactly doesn’t make sense? The graphs and what you are saying belong to more or less normal reality - that used to be yet a couple of months back. Now it’s all entirely different - the USA is balancing on the edge of the civil war, and no illusions please. And many feel that - recent spike of gun sales says it all. And things can spiral out of control any day.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:58 pm

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BN747 wrote:
This makes no sense whatsoever...looking at the perception graph above and at your comments - compare them shall we?


What exactly doesn’t make sense? The graphs and what you are saying belong to more or less normal reality - that used to be yet a couple of months back. Now it’s all entirely different - the USA is balancing on the edge of the civil war, and no illusions please. And many feel that - recent spike of gun sales says it all. And things can spiral out of control any day.


What doesn't make sense of your claim of 'normalcy' during those years amid all that unrest as listed.

Your rationale of gun purchases being the chief indicators of panic should be measured against 'gun panick sales' over time..you will find that gun spikes are not new.

People are on edge by Coronavirus in a way never before because the stay at home enforcement and no work - that is what's unprecedented.

I'm sure guns sale went up with threat of 'we're taking your guns' Clinton inauguration and during after the Rodney King LAPD fubar/riots, during repeated school shootings...the illusion of millions of peaceful protest has not produced that big of a spike any different from similar periods in US history.

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:23 pm

Tugger wrote:
extender wrote:
Cops need to be violent when the situational requires it. Cops need to follow their guidelines. Protesters need to be peaceful, there is no need for the cops to go ape on them. When they start misbehaving, they can expect an appropriate response. Too many people are using the current situation to beat defenseless people and they get away with it.

Maybe people need to stop videoing themselves for their fifteen minutes of fame.

If protesters stay off the freeway, they won't get hit by vehicular traffic, will they?

Isn't this a bit fascist too? I believe that is how China sees it too. Advocating for violence by a state or community authorized entity on the people? Better only protest how I approve!

Tugg


Well, uh yeah that's kind of how it works. Protests are fine as long as they are peaceful. Once violence, arson, destruction of private/public property, and killing occur, you are no longer a protester, you are a criminal. You should be locked up for good.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:55 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
I know the center is annoying to polemicists (on either side), but hey, that's just a fact of life. Oh well, drowning out the harmful elements of the fringes is EXACTLY what the country needs.


How fascist of you. Who made you the judge? You seem to vent your opinion, and right or wrong, you are entitled to it. You may think you are a centrist, but others will have a different opinion.


Fascism intends control through harm, I do not. The fringes are clearly harmful. Are you defending the far left now? :lol: Polemics are bad for the country, period.

I have voted for members of both parties and get center or center-left on every online political test. Your opinion is immaterial on this because it’s just emotion.
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:52 am

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Well, uh yeah that's kind of how it works. Protests are fine as long as they are peaceful. Once violence, arson, destruction of private/public property, and killing occur, you are no longer a protester, you are a criminal. You should be locked up for good.


And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.

Like Fox News.

A lot of the Mainstream Media are reacting with greater accuracy of highlighting that accurate divide.

Most protesters ARE NOT criminals by any stretch. Criminals will infiltrate any perceived crowd where they can ply their craft and attempt to escape detection.

Even protesters are getting smarter (thanks iPhone) and filming the infiltrators out to tarnish the masses..it can be done.

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:12 am

BN747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Well, uh yeah that's kind of how it works. Protests are fine as long as they are peaceful. Once violence, arson, destruction of private/public property, and killing occur, you are no longer a protester, you are a criminal. You should be locked up for good.


And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.

Like Fox News.

A lot of the Mainstream Media are reacting with greater accuracy of highlighting that accurate divide.

Most protesters ARE NOT criminals by any stretch. Criminals will infiltrate any perceived crowd where they can ply their craft and attempt to escape detection.

Even protesters are getting smarter (thanks iPhone) and filming the infiltrators out to tarnish the masses..it can be done.

BN747


Case in point: participants in this thread, claiming without evidence, that we’re ‘on the edge of civil war’.
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:41 am

BN747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Well, uh yeah that's kind of how it works. Protests are fine as long as they are peaceful. Once violence, arson, destruction of private/public property, and killing occur, you are no longer a protester, you are a criminal. You should be locked up for good.


And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.

Like Fox News.

A lot of the Mainstream Media are reacting with greater accuracy of highlighting that accurate divide.

Most protesters ARE NOT criminals by any stretch. Criminals will infiltrate any perceived crowd where they can ply their craft and attempt to escape detection.

Even protesters are getting smarter (thanks iPhone) and filming the infiltrators out to tarnish the masses..it can be done.

BN747


I never made the claim that protesters and rioters are one in the same. I have condemned police that have interfered with peaceful protests.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:01 am

The Governor of Georgia is calling out about 1000 National Guard troops to patrol the crime spike in Atlanta:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics ... index.html
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:45 am

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The Governor of Georgia is calling out about 1000 National Guard troops to patrol the crime spike in Atlanta:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics ... index.html


Brian KKKemp...oh yeah a real leader to be trusted all around..

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:00 am

There we go, the Atlanta PD can't do the job, so the Governor calls in the National Guard get order reinstated, and now he is labeled as the KKK. Disgusting, but not surprised. Rooting for anarchy now?
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:10 am

BN747 wrote:
And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.


Oh the irony :lol: :lol:

You should apply the same argument with regard to the US police force.
They are all dragged through the mud, accused of systemic racism and what not, because of single rare events where unprofessional cops go way out of line.
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:42 am

Dahlgardo wrote:
BN747 wrote:
And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.


Oh the irony :lol: :lol:

You should apply the same argument with regard to the US police force.
They are all dragged through the mud, accused of systemic racism and what not, because of single rare events where unprofessional cops go way out of line.


Unfortunately, that poster is impossible to reason with. A conspiracy theorist of the highest order. Present them with hard-sourced facts and they simply shrug them off.

With regard to Georgia, I'm glad to see the governor stepping in. Atlanta's leadership has mismanaged this horribly, and unfortunately a child was killed as a result.
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:19 am

N583JB wrote:
Dahlgardo wrote:
BN747 wrote:
And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.


Oh the irony :lol: :lol:

You should apply the same argument with regard to the US police force.
They are all dragged through the mud, accused of systemic racism and what not, because of single rare events where unprofessional cops go way out of line.


Unfortunately, that poster is impossible to reason with. A conspiracy theorist of the highest order. Present them with hard-sourced facts and they simply shrug them off.

With regard to Georgia, I'm glad to see the governor stepping in. Atlanta's leadership has mismanaged this horribly, and unfortunately a child was killed as a result.


Quite a curious statement in light of the far larger mismanagement and preventable death with COVID-19, yet nary a peep about that. :scratchchin:
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:26 am

Dahlgardo wrote:
BN747 wrote:
And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.


Oh the irony :lol: :lol:

You should apply the same argument with regard to the US police force.
They are all dragged through the mud, accused of systemic racism and what not, because of single rare events where unprofessional cops go way out of line.


There is not any irony there - that’s totally illogical. Civilians causing mayhem are criminals - whereas cops breaking the law and then being covered for represent compounded violations of the public trust. Crazy to even equivocate the two.

To put it another way: we can find random violent crime in just about every country and society. But not all countries have abuses of police powers and/or internal corruption while claiming to be beacons of freedom and equality under law.
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:09 am

Aaron747 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
Dahlgardo wrote:

Oh the irony :lol: :lol:

You should apply the same argument with regard to the US police force.
They are all dragged through the mud, accused of systemic racism and what not, because of single rare events where unprofessional cops go way out of line.


Unfortunately, that poster is impossible to reason with. A conspiracy theorist of the highest order. Present them with hard-sourced facts and they simply shrug them off.

With regard to Georgia, I'm glad to see the governor stepping in. Atlanta's leadership has mismanaged this horribly, and unfortunately a child was killed as a result.


Quite a curious statement in light of the far larger mismanagement and preventable death with COVID-19, yet nary a peep about that. :scratchchin:


Oh I think Trump has completed botched the response to this pandemic, and it has cost him my vote in the fall. I can't stand spreadnecks. But, that js something for another thread...
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:50 pm

Oh yes, great misdirection. Police presence ebbs, and the crime flows. What about Anthony Robinson's life? Isn't worth a crap because it doesn't fit the narrative. It is only going to get worse if the police can't do their job. Some here would rather have a hundred dead people at black thugs hands, than one at a white cop's hands. Classy.
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:28 pm

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Oh yes, great misdirection. Police presence ebbs, and the crime flows. What about Anthony Robinson's life? Isn't worth a crap because it doesn't fit the narrative. It is only going to get worse if the police can't do their job. Some here would rather have a hundred dead people at black thugs hands, than one at a white cop's hands. Classy.


How rich - would love to see a quote verifying this claim. :boggled:
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:37 pm

ltbewr wrote:
The Governor of Georgia is calling out about 1000 National Guard troops to patrol the crime spike in Atlanta:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics ... index.html


Well, this is what always happens when you keel your police and demand death penalty for them for doing their job.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:43 pm

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What doesn't make sense of your claim of 'normalcy' during those years amid all that unrest as listed.


BN747 wrote:
People are on edge by Coronavirus in a way never before because the stay at home enforcement and no work - that is what's unprecedented.


Before, there was no situation of a civil standoff, where one party and its leadership is willing to put the country at brisk of extinction just to improve their chance at elections. And the latter is abnormal, obviously. Coronavirus tensions is certainly a great contributor - but who is dragging on with quarantine measures for longer than needed? Democratic governors.
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm

anrec80 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
What doesn't make sense of your claim of 'normalcy' during those years amid all that unrest as listed.


BN747 wrote:
People are on edge by Coronavirus in a way never before because the stay at home enforcement and no work - that is what's unprecedented.


Before, there was no situation of a civil standoff, where one party and its leadership is willing to put the country at brisk of extinction just to improve their chance at elections. And the latter is abnormal, obviously. Coronavirus tensions is certainly a great contributor - but who is dragging on with quarantine measures for longer than needed? Democratic governors.


Remember when everyone was up in arms because the Democratic governor of Michigan would not let people plant flowers because those sections of home improvement stores are not essential? The governors of OR, WA, and CA all are requiring masks be worn indoors. Gov. Newsom is even delaying indoor dining. Gov. Cuomo of NY is telling people outside the Northeast they must quarantine. FL, AZ, and TX are seeing massive surges in infection rates. Hospitals are near capacity.

But, go on with your theory that Democrats are the problem.....
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:56 pm

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BN747 wrote:
And therein lies the problem...out of all those millions of marchers, the blend-in-criminals number in the 1000s and yet the entire movement gets the blame for their deeds.
And that's where bad media misleads people and drums up damning harmful imagery of what is truly occurring.


Oh the irony :lol: :lol:

You should apply the same argument with regard to the US police force.
They are all dragged through the mud, accused of systemic racism and what not, because of single rare events where unprofessional cops go way out of line.


A glaringly bad understanding of America's Police History perfectly explains such poor analysis of the current situation America finds itself in.
Every facet of American life has history, good and bad...like it or not, there are no exceptions.

And it is those who have no desires whatsoever to change THAT factual status quo who fight correctional reform the hardest allowing age old problems to persist and grow.

There is no earthly reason as a person said in an interview today. 'I don't want my kid to grow up and have to explain to his kids the problem with police as my dad with me and his dad with him.'

Just watching the broadcast of retelling of MLK's trip to Cicero and his new found perception vocalized as 'I had no idea racism of this level existed outside the South'...very telling.
Telling in that, we have not gone all that far since 1966 or earlier. The systemic racist then is more virulent than then simply because our more advanced 'thought' should be far beyond the simple minds of 50 years ago...but when you see/hear those interviewed amid all that..you hear the exact same comments then from posters here on this board. I be those regurgitating those exuses
have no idea, because if the did, they would be making ignorant statements like 'accused racism'..

..learning history can only help you, ignoring it OR ignorance of it only assures embarrassing exposure from that lack of knowledge eventually - guaranteed.

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Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:57 pm

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Gov. Newsom is even delaying indoor dining.


So why is his winery open and accepting guests?
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:12 pm

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seb146 wrote:
Gov. Newsom is even delaying indoor dining.


So why is his winery open and accepting guests?



Because his winery was in a county not shut down.
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:47 pm

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To put it another way: we can find random violent crime in just about every country and society. But not all countries have abuses of police powers and/or internal corruption while claiming to be beacons of freedom and equality under law.

I do wonder how come no one is talking about the great organizational skills of the BLM movement that they were able to in short order get so many people in almost every state in the USA to get up and demonstrate? Either that or the perceived abuses of minorities by policy forces in the USA are that great and widespread that so many folks can relate.
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:06 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
To put it another way: we can find random violent crime in just about every country and society. But not all countries have abuses of police powers and/or internal corruption while claiming to be beacons of freedom and equality under law.

I do wonder how come no one is talking about the great organizational skills of the BLM movement that they were able to in short order get so many people in almost every state in the USA to get up and demonstrate? Either that or the perceived abuses of minorities by policy forces in the USA are that great and widespread that so many folks can relate.



This has been an issue years in the making, and when Trump incites everyone with his racist rhetoric, it is easy to motivate folks.
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par13del wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
To put it another way: we can find random violent crime in just about every country and society. But not all countries have abuses of police powers and/or internal corruption while claiming to be beacons of freedom and equality under law.

I do wonder how come no one is talking about the great organizational skills of the BLM movement that they were able to in short order get so many people in almost every state in the USA to get up and demonstrate? Either that or the perceived abuses of minorities by policy forces in the USA are that great and widespread that so many folks can relate.



This has been an issue years in the making, and when Trump incites everyone with his racist rhetoric, it is easy to motivate folks.

So all Trump, is that not the same mistake that has led to police forces all over the USA buying in to their brand of policing and say it is isolated incidents?
I only heard one talk about federalization, Home Land was done pretty quickly, is the discussion there on a similar push for local police services?
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:20 pm

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casinterest wrote:
par13del wrote:
I do wonder how come no one is talking about the great organizational skills of the BLM movement that they were able to in short order get so many people in almost every state in the USA to get up and demonstrate? Either that or the perceived abuses of minorities by policy forces in the USA are that great and widespread that so many folks can relate.



This has been an issue years in the making, and when Trump incites everyone with his racist rhetoric, it is easy to motivate folks.

So all Trump, is that not the same mistake that has led to police forces all over the USA buying in to their brand of policing and say it is isolated incidents?
I only heard one talk about federalization, Home Land was done pretty quickly, is the discussion there on a similar push for local police services?



What are you talking about? As I said, there have been issues for years in the US. Ferguson, Baltimore, New York City, Atlanta, and many other cities. The recent issues, and then Trump jumping up and down and creating a race war will do it.
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:27 pm

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Remember when everyone was up in arms because the Democratic governor of Michigan would not let people plant flowers because those sections of home improvement stores are not essential? The governors of OR, WA, and CA all are requiring masks be worn indoors. Gov. Newsom is even delaying indoor dining. Gov. Cuomo of NY is telling people outside the Northeast they must quarantine. FL, AZ, and TX are seeing massive surges in infection rates. Hospitals are near capacity.


I've explained my take on these quarantines - in my view, they aren't of any value whatsoever. When a vaccine is absent, and before the population has been vaccinated, the only way to be done with the problem is develop society-wide herd immunity. No other. And the sooner it happens, the better. Yes, when developing this immunity, a major spike is inevitable. New York Tristate area had this spike to begin with, in March-April, and now things are close to normal here in CT. In Moscow, where they had crisis similar to New York, now about 20% of people are immune to the virus (that means the about same is true about New York City), and IMHO this is what eventually slowed the spread down to the crawl here, not quarantines. Mid-Western and Western states slammed the quarantine measures ahead of time and for no reason, thus, at huge cost to their society and economy, simply delayed the inevitable by maybe about a month.

The only way to handle it is to beef up the healthcare system. If it's overwhelmed, impose only as much restrictions as necessary. And - buckle up and brace for the rocky ride along the curve, up and then down.

seb146 wrote:
But, go on with your theory that Democrats are the problem.....


When I say "democrats are the problem", I mean not their COVID related stuff. These are things targeted at weakening state institutions - kneeling police, supporting all those CHOPs, aggressive protests, giving the whole democratic cities away for looting. Primarily those actions.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:14 pm

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These are things targeted at weakening state institutions - kneeling police, supporting all those CHOPs, aggressive protests, giving the whole democratic cities away for looting. Primarily those actions.


The majority never fails to miss the real looting which they cannot see taking place...the idiot stealing booze, sneakers, liquor and tv sets is easily recognizable (from tv shows) but the white collar billion dollar looting goes basically undetected costing tax payers billions of not trillions...but get those looters!

Difference is, theft by one can be replaced..theft by the other is paid for by your tax increases while the perp sips champagne on a yacht you also paid for. More costly than those $40K jail cells the tv thief resides in.

Like this, Trump friends and family cleared for millions in small business bailout
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump- ... s-bailout/

...why not when no one cares.

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:00 pm

"The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.
On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is."

http://archive.is/T15uL#selection-2525.0-2529.673

And the reason for this criminal violent carnage of little children, mothers, fathers, grandparents is the marxist-socialist Democratic Party which has been in absolute power in those cities for more than 40 years.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:31 pm

Gun shootings in mainly non-White majority communities and neighborhoods is due to a toxic mix of racism, poverty, the culture of guns, that guns are a symbol of power and control, bad education, poorly developed social skills, bad housing, the code 'snitches get stitches' so many gun deaths and injures don't see shooters face criminal judgment and so on. The recent spike is most likely due to fear of police of a conflict that could put them in jeopardy of death or worse, injure/kill a Black person and face a living hell even if a fully justified act as well as many jails/prisons releasing even those convicted of violent crimes let out early due to Covid-19 infections in jails and less ability to impose bail on criminal suspects.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:30 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Gun shootings in mainly non-White majority communities and neighborhoods is due to a toxic mix of racism, poverty, the culture of guns, that guns are a symbol of power and control, bad education, poorly developed social skills, bad housing, the code 'snitches get stitches' so many gun deaths and injures don't see shooters face criminal judgment and so on. The recent spike is most likely due to fear of police of a conflict that could put them in jeopardy of death or worse, injure/kill a Black person and face a living hell even if a fully justified act as well as many jails/prisons releasing even those convicted of violent crimes let out early due to Covid-19 infections in jails and less ability to impose bail on criminal suspects.


Loss of jobs due to globalism, rejection of traditional family, collapse of moral values,drugs, socialist free money handouts, socialist public school system and housing, toxic and divisive marxist oppressors - oppressed ideology. The communism has never been about people, it has always been about power. Some only understand it when the iron boot stomps on their chest.

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:33 pm

speedking wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Gun shootings in mainly non-White majority communities and neighborhoods is due to a toxic mix of racism, poverty, the culture of guns, that guns are a symbol of power and control, bad education, poorly developed social skills, bad housing, the code 'snitches get stitches' so many gun deaths and injures don't see shooters face criminal judgment and so on. The recent spike is most likely due to fear of police of a conflict that could put them in jeopardy of death or worse, injure/kill a Black person and face a living hell even if a fully justified act as well as many jails/prisons releasing even those convicted of violent crimes let out early due to Covid-19 infections in jails and less ability to impose bail on criminal suspects.


Loss of jobs due to globalism, rejection of traditional family, collapse of moral values,drugs, socialist free money handouts, socialist public school system and housing, toxic and divisive marxist oppressors - oppressed ideology. The communism has never been about people, it has always been about power. Some only understand it when the iron boot stomps on their chest.

Welcome to the modern Plantations of the Democratic Party!


Oh dear....I thought this may have been missing an /s tag, but perhaps not.
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:59 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
speedking wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Gun shootings in mainly non-White majority communities and neighborhoods is due to a toxic mix of racism, poverty, the culture of guns, that guns are a symbol of power and control, bad education, poorly developed social skills, bad housing, the code 'snitches get stitches' so many gun deaths and injures don't see shooters face criminal judgment and so on. The recent spike is most likely due to fear of police of a conflict that could put them in jeopardy of death or worse, injure/kill a Black person and face a living hell even if a fully justified act as well as many jails/prisons releasing even those convicted of violent crimes let out early due to Covid-19 infections in jails and less ability to impose bail on criminal suspects.


Loss of jobs due to globalism, rejection of traditional family, collapse of moral values,drugs, socialist free money handouts, socialist public school system and housing, toxic and divisive marxist oppressors - oppressed ideology. The communism has never been about people, it has always been about power. Some only understand it when the iron boot stomps on their chest.

Welcome to the modern Plantations of the Democratic Party!


Oh dear....I thought this may have been missing an /s tag, but perhaps not.

People are free to keep dividing the nation even farther than it is...but know that no change of any kind is ever expected when impediments come in the form of dog whistle speak from the steadfast defenders of the old world preach it like gospels. I guess the bible is good for something, teaching the lost art of cherry picking.

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:45 am

Meanwhile, more broad daylight violations of public trust by cops:

https://twitter.com/ida_skibenes/status ... 48032?s=21
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:46 am

BN747 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
speedking wrote:

Loss of jobs due to globalism, rejection of traditional family, collapse of moral values,drugs, socialist free money handouts, socialist public school system and housing, toxic and divisive marxist oppressors - oppressed ideology. The communism has never been about people, it has always been about power. Some only understand it when the iron boot stomps on their chest.

Welcome to the modern Plantations of the Democratic Party!


Oh dear....I thought this may have been missing an /s tag, but perhaps not.

People are free to keep dividing the nation even farther than it is...but know that no change of any kind is ever expected when impediments come in the form of dog whistle speak from the steadfast defenders of the old world preach it like gospels. I guess the bible is good for something, teaching the lost art of cherry picking.

BN747


This is not a one way street, you know. The silent majority has been preached the teachings of the little red book, screamed to about marxist view of racial relations, genders, immediate doom of climate catastrophe. The cancel culture has been threatening and attacking people to silence every different opinion. The media is censoring the voice of the other side.

That is the old world. The silent majority and the young generation is waking up and they see what the old world is really all about, behind its smokescreen of race riots and other attacks.

In the end one has to make a choice between marxism and Freedom. There will be no negotiations between the two.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:36 am

speedking wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

Oh dear....I thought this may have been missing an /s tag, but perhaps not.

People are free to keep dividing the nation even farther than it is...but know that no change of any kind is ever expected when impediments come in the form of dog whistle speak from the steadfast defenders of the old world preach it like gospels. I guess the bible is good for something, teaching the lost art of cherry picking.

BN747


This is not a one way street, you know. The silent majority has been preached the teachings of the little red book, screamed to about marxist view of racial relations, genders, immediate doom of climate catastrophe. The cancel culture has been threatening and attacking people to silence every different opinion. The media is censoring the voice of the other side.

That is the old world. The silent majority and the young generation is waking up and they see what the old world is really all about, behind its smokescreen of race riots and other attacks.

In the end one has to make a choice between marxism and Freedom. There will be no negotiations between the two.


That argument plunks into the toilet on the sheer fact that America's history is born in racism, which is what ..300 years older than anything and everything Marxist.
That feeble argument is the weakest attempt I've ever seen of someone attempting to justify a baseless new age thought to be packaged in disguise as some historically based 'thought fact' relying upon a stretch of lie twisting unimaginable.

But hey, if it serves you as comfortably as expressed..hang on to it like the Flat Earthers and like nonsensical gatherings. But in truth, those who can see history as it truly was, even the darkest, harshest narratives of it..there is no doubt at all acts of subterfuge to reshape or re-telling of it. THAT...is a one way street, heading in the wrong direction of truth and facts.

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:54 am

BN747 wrote:
speedking wrote:
BN747 wrote:
People are free to keep dividing the nation even farther than it is...but know that no change of any kind is ever expected when impediments come in the form of dog whistle speak from the steadfast defenders of the old world preach it like gospels. I guess the bible is good for something, teaching the lost art of cherry picking.

BN747


This is not a one way street, you know. The silent majority has been preached the teachings of the little red book, screamed to about marxist view of racial relations, genders, immediate doom of climate catastrophe. The cancel culture has been threatening and attacking people to silence every different opinion. The media is censoring the voice of the other side.

That is the old world. The silent majority and the young generation is waking up and they see what the old world is really all about, behind its smokescreen of race riots and other attacks.

In the end one has to make a choice between marxism and Freedom. There will be no negotiations between the two.


That argument plunks into the toilet on the sheer fact that America's history is born in racism, which is what ..300 years older than anything and everything Marxist.
That feeble argument is the weakest attempt I've ever seen of someone attempting to justify a baseless new age thought to be packaged in disguise as some historically based 'thought fact' relying upon a stretch of lie twisting unimaginable.

But hey, if it serves you as comfortably as expressed..hang on to it like the Flat Earthers and like nonsensical gatherings. But in truth, those who can see history as it truly was, even the darkest, harshest narratives of it..there is no doubt at all acts of subterfuge to reshape or re-telling of it. THAT...is a one way street, heading in the wrong direction of truth and facts.

BN747


The leftist "educated" marxists have had so hard time to find anybody alive to feel morally superior to, so they have been forced to look people back from 300 years ago to find someone they could somewhat credibly criticize for moral failings. This from a movement that supports killing 3,000 babies a day.

The BLM has nothing to do with racism. It was born from marxism. The silent majority and the young generation can see it.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:22 am

speedking wrote:
BN747 wrote:
speedking wrote:

This is not a one way street, you know. The silent majority has been preached the teachings of the little red book, screamed to about marxist view of racial relations, genders, immediate doom of climate catastrophe. The cancel culture has been threatening and attacking people to silence every different opinion. The media is censoring the voice of the other side.

That is the old world. The silent majority and the young generation is waking up and they see what the old world is really all about, behind its smokescreen of race riots and other attacks.

In the end one has to make a choice between marxism and Freedom. There will be no negotiations between the two.


That argument plunks into the toilet on the sheer fact that America's history is born in racism, which is what ..300 years older than anything and everything Marxist.
That feeble argument is the weakest attempt I've ever seen of someone attempting to justify a baseless new age thought to be packaged in disguise as some historically based 'thought fact' relying upon a stretch of lie twisting unimaginable.

But hey, if it serves you as comfortably as expressed..hang on to it like the Flat Earthers and like nonsensical gatherings. But in truth, those who can see history as it truly was, even the darkest, harshest narratives of it..there is no doubt at all acts of subterfuge to reshape or re-telling of it. THAT...is a one way street, heading in the wrong direction of truth and facts.

BN747


The leftist "educated" marxists have had so hard time to find anybody alive to feel morally superior to, so they have been forced to look people back from 300 years ago to find someone they could somewhat credibly criticize for moral failings. This from a movement that supports killing 3,000 babies a day.

The BLM has nothing to do with racism. It was born from marxism. The silent majority and the young generation can see it.


So ignorance persist..

A silent majority means what? The current day grouping that Sean Hannity and trump address daily to suggest that they are being shunned into silence?
They stand on the false platform of white grievance', nothing more.

Their roots are directly tied to the worse elements of American society since the Civil War and have morphed and grown into it's modern day form of wearing red hats that boast of an America that only existed in their minds...not for every American.

I don't know who 'this young generation' you speak of, but are not the millions of young people around the planet who responded simultaneously to the George Floyd killing in a unified worldwide rejection of systemic racism in a way never seen before in human history.

I've seen personally nor in tv/online recordings of 'this young group of young people' embracing what you are trying to sell.

The closet thing to it are the flourishing Incel circles connecting via the web seeking endorsement of their anti-social awkwardness that should remain living under rocks.

BLM is what the likes of David Duke, Rush Limbaugh types attack (with their mindless followers) to cling to white supremacy at all cost. They were elements of the Moral Majority which you now proclaim as the Silent Majority, same act, same stench.

The world is leaving you and the like behind, it's called change. And the milestones of change have always overcome every road block resisters of this kind have thrown up.

Like I said, that is your right to be that. Leftist Marxist, Socialist (fill in adjective here) are empty dog whistles which your best followers cannot explain beyond a few bumper sticker phrases.

Socially, esp. the young are marching against that kind daily - change is happening and not the way you want it. BLM is winning that argument just as their predecessor changed America from it's worst iteration of itself.

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Oh and these young generation of followers of your anti-Marxist Everything. (not white) ..who and where are they?

Is their a website like 8chan or something where they gather? Or is was I correct it's Incels United or is Incels Matter?

Just askin'...

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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:41 am

BN747 wrote:
speedking wrote:
BN747 wrote:

That argument plunks into the toilet on the sheer fact that America's history is born in racism, which is what ..300 years older than anything and everything Marxist.
That feeble argument is the weakest attempt I've ever seen of someone attempting to justify a baseless new age thought to be packaged in disguise as some historically based 'thought fact' relying upon a stretch of lie twisting unimaginable.

But hey, if it serves you as comfortably as expressed..hang on to it like the Flat Earthers and like nonsensical gatherings. But in truth, those who can see history as it truly was, even the darkest, harshest narratives of it..there is no doubt at all acts of subterfuge to reshape or re-telling of it. THAT...is a one way street, heading in the wrong direction of truth and facts.

BN747


The leftist "educated" marxists have had so hard time to find anybody alive to feel morally superior to, so they have been forced to look people back from 300 years ago to find someone they could somewhat credibly criticize for moral failings. This from a movement that supports killing 3,000 babies a day.

The BLM has nothing to do with racism. It was born from marxism. The silent majority and the young generation can see it.


So ignorance persist..

A silent majority means what? The current day grouping that Sean Hannity and trump address daily to suggest that they are being shunned into silence?
They stand on the false platform of white grievance', nothing more.

Their roots are directly tied to the worse elements of American society since the Civil War and have morphed and grown into it's modern day form of wearing red hats that boast of an America that only existed in their minds...not for every American.

I don't know who 'this young generation' you speak of, but are not the millions of young people around the planet who responded simultaneously to the George Floyd killing in a unified worldwide rejection of systemic racism in a way never seen before in human history.

I've seen personally nor in tv/online recordings of 'this young group of young people' embracing what you are trying to sell.

The closet thing to it are the flourishing Incel circles connecting via the web seeking endorsement of their anti-social awkwardness that should remain living under rocks.

BLM is what the likes of David Duke, Rush Limbaugh types attack (with their mindless followers) to cling to white supremacy at all cost. They were elements of the Moral Majority which you now proclaim as the Silent Majority, same act, same stench.

The world is leaving you and the like behind, it's called change. And the milestones of change have always overcome every road block resisters of this kind have thrown up.

Like I said, that is your right to be that. Leftist Marxist, Socialist (fill in adjective here) are empty dog whistles which your best followers cannot explain beyond a few bumper sticker phrases.

Socially, esp. the young are marching against that kind daily - change is happening and not the way you want it. BLM is winning that argument just as their predecessor changed America from it's worst iteration of itself.

BN747


Ha! That's what I call a blast from the past. The truth is out there, not in the censored TV / websites. We'll see that on November 3.
 
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Re: Violent crime surges across the United States

Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:27 am

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The majority never fails to miss the real looting which they cannot see taking place...the idiot stealing booze, sneakers, liquor and tv sets is easily recognizable (from tv shows) but the white collar billion dollar looting goes basically undetected costing tax payers billions of not trillions...but get those looters!


You are talking about a high level corruption - it's a problem, agree. It's a problem for every country, and in the US it's huge. So what now - totally disband police, dismantle the whole notion of a low level crime? Allow everyone to steal, rob, kill, rape? Do we now build a society where the only force resource is roaming mobs and your own gun? This is not the solution to those high level corruption problems, obviously.
 
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:36 pm

anrec80 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
The majority never fails to miss the real looting which they cannot see taking place...the idiot stealing booze, sneakers, liquor and tv sets is easily recognizable (from tv shows) but the white collar billion dollar looting goes basically undetected costing tax payers billions of not trillions...but get those looters!


You are talking about a high level corruption - it's a problem, agree. It's a problem for every country, and in the US it's huge. So what now - totally disband police, dismantle the whole notion of a low level crime? Allow everyone to steal, rob, kill, rape? Do we now build a society where the only force resource is roaming mobs and your own gun? This is not the solution to those high level corruption problems, obviously.


Two separate issues.

While people get all worked up about petty silly crimes - where security cams help in identifying the thieves - of which many get caught via facial rec programs..I think if recognition of the lasting damage caused by 'high level' /white collar ' (which is rarely very rarely enforced and prosecuted) which is only addressed with taxpayer monies drew the same ire as people on here crying about 'looters', whose damage nowhere near matches the anticipated white collar crimes..it just might force the needed changes at government and private circles who go to great lengths to protect themselves. And change at the top of that kind certainly makes it easier for justice to be more balanced and far much more fair and closer to true justice.

It has to come from the bottom, because the at the top, they will not police themselves..it simply turns into a battle of the best legal minds like large craps game with very little punishment at the end of each skirmish.

It is very hard for cops to make bust that ultimately lead to highers up (like the bad Judges story I shared earlier which resulted in a deputy being jailed for doing the right thing) THAT f**ks a cops mind completely up, when he knows he did the right thing but power (think BIll Barr) runs interference and punishment is watered down to nothing.

People need more exposure to these crimes in order to get as angry as they do seeing looters, after all these guys are the biggest looters. And the ones very damaging to every society on nearly every level.

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