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Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:14 am

Is it a good idea to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer with a Dodge Ram 3500 dually pickup truck or maybe add a little load but not exceeding the axle weight limits for the pickup or the trailer, which has a towing capacity of like 35,000 pounds? I do know that an empty 53 foot semi trailer normally tower by a semi truck tractor only weighs like 15,000 pounds.
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:15 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Is it a good idea to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer with a Dodge Ram 3500 dually pickup truck or maybe add a little load but not exceeding the axle weight limits for the pickup or the trailer, which has a towing capacity of like 35,000 pounds? I do know that an empty 53 foot semi trailer normally tower by a semi truck tractor only weighs like 15,000 pounds.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1304605&p=18230693&hilit=Towing+a+loaded+trailer#p18230693
https://www.dancumminschryslerdodgejeep ... -3500-tow/
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... h_no_cargo


Okay, for starters how would you hook it up? I have occasionally seen a "fifth-wheel" setup with a receiver of the same type as is used on semi trailers, but I suspect those are used for much lighter flatbeds or for trailers that are balanced for use with pickups rather than actual semi trailers. Trailers designed for use with pickups support most of their own weight on their own wheels which is why their wheels are located much closer to the center of the trailer chassis, usually about 60% of the way back from the front of the trailer rather than all the way at the rear as with semi trailers. You'd need to use a dolly such as are used with tandem trailers otherwise the weight of the trailer at the connection point would far exceed a pickup's capability, even with a fifth-wheel setup.

Once that's tackled, there's the issue of the trailer's air brakes: I'm not aware of any add-on that gives a conventional pickup the capability of actuating a semi trailer's air brakes, although someone somewhere might make such a thing.

Then you'd get into weight and aerodynamics, an excess of the first and a near-total lack of the second.
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:20 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
Is it a good idea to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer with a Dodge Ram 3500 dually pickup truck or maybe add a little load but not exceeding the axle weight limits for the pickup or the trailer, which has a towing capacity of like 35,000 pounds? I do know that an empty 53 foot semi trailer normally tower by a semi truck tractor only weighs like 15,000 pounds.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1304605&p=18230693&hilit=Towing+a+loaded+trailer#p18230693
https://www.dancumminschryslerdodgejeep ... -3500-tow/
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... h_no_cargo


Okay, for starters how would you hook it up? I have occasionally seen a "fifth-wheel" setup with a receiver of the same type as is used on semi trailers, but I suspect those are used for much lighter flatbeds or for trailers that are balanced for use with pickups rather than actual semi trailers. Trailers designed for use with pickups support most of their own weight on their own wheels which is why their wheels are located much closer to the center of the trailer chassis, usually about 60% of the way back from the front of the trailer rather than all the way at the rear as with semi trailers. You'd need to use a dolly such as are used with tandem trailers otherwise the weight of the trailer at the connection point would far exceed a pickup's capability, even with a fifth-wheel setup.

Once that's tackled, there's the issue of the trailer's air brakes: I'm not aware of any add-on that gives a conventional pickup the capability of actuating a semi trailer's air brakes, although someone somewhere might make such a thing.

Then you'd get into weight and aerodynamics, an excess of the first and a near-total lack of the second.

The plates for a Class 8 fifth wheel only weigh like 200 pounds and how much would the section of a 15,000 pound semi trailer that typically sits on the semi truck axles typically weigh when empty?
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:22 am

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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:54 am

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TSS wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Is it a good idea to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer with a Dodge Ram 3500 dually pickup truck or maybe add a little load but not exceeding the axle weight limits for the pickup or the trailer, which has a towing capacity of like 35,000 pounds? I do know that an empty 53 foot semi trailer normally tower by a semi truck tractor only weighs like 15,000 pounds.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1304605&p=18230693&hilit=Towing+a+loaded+trailer#p18230693
https://www.dancumminschryslerdodgejeep ... -3500-tow/
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... h_no_cargo


Okay, for starters how would you hook it up? I have occasionally seen a "fifth-wheel" setup with a receiver of the same type as is used on semi trailers, but I suspect those are used for much lighter flatbeds or for trailers that are balanced for use with pickups rather than actual semi trailers. Trailers designed for use with pickups support most of their own weight on their own wheels which is why their wheels are located much closer to the center of the trailer chassis, usually about 60% of the way back from the front of the trailer rather than all the way at the rear as with semi trailers. You'd need to use a dolly such as are used with tandem trailers otherwise the weight of the trailer at the connection point would far exceed a pickup's capability, even with a fifth-wheel setup.

Once that's tackled, there's the issue of the trailer's air brakes: I'm not aware of any add-on that gives a conventional pickup the capability of actuating a semi trailer's air brakes, although someone somewhere might make such a thing.

Then you'd get into weight and aerodynamics, an excess of the first and a near-total lack of the second.


The plates for a Class 8 fifth wheel only weigh like 200 pounds and how much would the section of a 15,000 pound semi trailer that typically sits on the semi truck axles typically weigh when empty?


On a semi trailer half the weight is on the back wheels and the other half is on the front, so about 7500 pounds right off for the trailer alone.

Still no way to operate the trailer brakes, so assuming your pickup's tires didn't pop immediately from having an additional 1875 lbs per tire applied to them on top of what they were already carrying AND assuming the tires still didn't pop once you got rolling, how would you stop?
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:21 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Is it a good idea to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer with a Dodge Ram 3500 dually pickup truck or maybe add a little load but not exceeding the axle weight limits for the pickup or the trailer, which has a towing capacity of like 35,000 pounds? I do know that an empty 53 foot semi trailer normally tower by a semi truck tractor only weighs like 15,000 pounds.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1304605&p=18230693&hilit=Towing+a+loaded+trailer#p18230693
https://www.dancumminschryslerdodgejeep ... -3500-tow/
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... h_no_cargo


Do you have a Dodge Ram 3500 dually and a 53ft semi trailer? Or do you own a Dodge Ram 3500 dually and are planning on towing a 53ft semi trailer with it? My next question is why wouldn'ty you by a vehicle like a Class 8 truck to tow that trailer, it will be much safer for you and for everyone else on the road if you go this route.

Looks like someone else has already looked into the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYz_y9RQFw
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:12 pm

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Okay, for starters how would you hook it up? I have occasionally seen a "fifth-wheel" setup with a receiver of the same type as is used on semi trailers, but I suspect those are used for much lighter flatbeds or for trailers that are balanced for use with pickups rather than actual semi trailers. Trailers designed for use with pickups support most of their own weight on their own wheels which is why their wheels are located much closer to the center of the trailer chassis, usually about 60% of the way back from the front of the trailer rather than all the way at the rear as with semi trailers. You'd need to use a dolly such as are used with tandem trailers otherwise the weight of the trailer at the connection point would far exceed a pickup's capability, even with a fifth-wheel setup.

Once that's tackled, there's the issue of the trailer's air brakes: I'm not aware of any add-on that gives a conventional pickup the capability of actuating a semi trailer's air brakes, although someone somewhere might make such a thing.

Then you'd get into weight and aerodynamics, an excess of the first and a near-total lack of the second.


The plates for a Class 8 fifth wheel only weigh like 200 pounds and how much would the section of a 15,000 pound semi trailer that typically sits on the semi truck axles typically weigh when empty?


On a semi trailer half the weight is on the back wheels and the other half is on the front, so about 7500 pounds right off for the trailer alone.

Still no way to operate the trailer brakes, so assuming your pickup's tires didn't pop immediately from having an additional 1875 lbs per tire applied to them on top of what they were already carrying AND assuming the tires still didn't pop once you got rolling, how would you stop?

What is the load limit for the Dodge Ram 3500 on the rear axle?
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:52 pm

The idea of trying to tow a 53 foot semi-trailer, even empty, on a RAM 3500 or equivalent class truck is something that would be done by some 'Florida Man' or someone too cheap or despite to use the proper vehicle. The trailers used with 3500 class trucks have electric brakes or hydraulic ones set up at the hitch. The lack of proper air brakes would likely lead to disaster. Then you have the overloading of the rear axle of the truck, if a standard box 53 ft semi-trailer, add the extra height of the hitch arrangement then you might have a problem with low overpasses. For sure such use wouldn't be covered by insurance if in a crash, potential costs of damage and repairs to the vehicle, possible fines and tickets, loss of CDL or a standard drivers' license, means way more in costs that paying to use a proper truck.
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:07 pm

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The idea of trying to tow a 53 foot semi-trailer, even empty, on a RAM 3500 or equivalent class truck is something that would be done by some 'Florida Man' or someone too cheap or despite to use the proper vehicle. The trailers used with 3500 class trucks have electric brakes or hydraulic ones set up at the hitch. The lack of proper air brakes would likely lead to disaster. Then you have the overloading of the rear axle of the truck, if a standard box 53 ft semi-trailer, add the extra height of the hitch arrangement then you might have a problem with low overpasses. For sure such use wouldn't be covered by insurance if in a crash, potential costs of damage and repairs to the vehicle, possible fines and tickets, loss of CDL or a standard drivers' license, means way more in costs that paying to use a proper truck.

Would it be possible to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer across the freight yard though with a Ram 3500 Dually?
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:23 pm

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ltbewr wrote:
The idea of trying to tow a 53 foot semi-trailer, even empty, on a RAM 3500 or equivalent class truck is something that would be done by some 'Florida Man' or someone too cheap or despite to use the proper vehicle. The trailers used with 3500 class trucks have electric brakes or hydraulic ones set up at the hitch. The lack of proper air brakes would likely lead to disaster. Then you have the overloading of the rear axle of the truck, if a standard box 53 ft semi-trailer, add the extra height of the hitch arrangement then you might have a problem with low overpasses. For sure such use wouldn't be covered by insurance if in a crash, potential costs of damage and repairs to the vehicle, possible fines and tickets, loss of CDL or a standard drivers' license, means way more in costs that paying to use a proper truck.

Would it be possible to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer across the freight yard though with a Ram 3500 Dually?


Just some 'yard' movement shouldn't be a problem as not a public road, low speeds and limited need for brakes. There are specialized 'yard' tractors usually used.
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:26 pm

ltbewr wrote:
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ltbewr wrote:
The idea of trying to tow a 53 foot semi-trailer, even empty, on a RAM 3500 or equivalent class truck is something that would be done by some 'Florida Man' or someone too cheap or despite to use the proper vehicle. The trailers used with 3500 class trucks have electric brakes or hydraulic ones set up at the hitch. The lack of proper air brakes would likely lead to disaster. Then you have the overloading of the rear axle of the truck, if a standard box 53 ft semi-trailer, add the extra height of the hitch arrangement then you might have a problem with low overpasses. For sure such use wouldn't be covered by insurance if in a crash, potential costs of damage and repairs to the vehicle, possible fines and tickets, loss of CDL or a standard drivers' license, means way more in costs that paying to use a proper truck.

Would it be possible to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer across the freight yard though with a Ram 3500 Dually?


Just some 'yard' movement shouldn't be a problem as not a public road, low speeds and limited need for brakes. There are specialized 'yard' tractors usually used.

How often is a RAM 3500 dually used for towing a 53 foot semi trailer across the yard compared to a standard yard tractor?
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm

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How often is a RAM 3500 dually used for towing a 53 foot semi trailer across the yard compared to a standard yard tractor?



Hopefully never. How will you turn it with all that weight on the rear axle?
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

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Why is this a question?
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:49 pm

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ltbewr wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Would it be possible to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer across the freight yard though with a Ram 3500 Dually?


Just some 'yard' movement shouldn't be a problem as not a public road, low speeds and limited need for brakes. There are specialized 'yard' tractors usually used.


How often is a RAM 3500 dually used for towing a 53 foot semi trailer across the yard compared to a standard yard tractor?


Never, as in not ever. If you have a freight yard, you have at least one dedicated yard tractor with which to move the trailers around as needed. If for some reason the yard tractor is temporarily down, you'd get a trucker to use his rig to hook up to and move the trailer(s) for you. A pickup truck is the wrong tool for the job of moving a semi trailer and there is no sane reason why anyone would ever use one to do so. Even if a docked trailer caught fire you could get it off the dock faster and more easily with a forklift than you could with a pickup truck, 3500 Dually or not.
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:55 pm

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:

Just some 'yard' movement shouldn't be a problem as not a public road, low speeds and limited need for brakes. There are specialized 'yard' tractors usually used.


How often is a RAM 3500 dually used for towing a 53 foot semi trailer across the yard compared to a standard yard tractor?


Never, as in not ever. If you have a freight yard, you have at least one dedicated yard tractor with which to move the trailers around as needed. If for some reason the yard tractor is temporarily down, you'd get a trucker to use his rig to hook up to and move the trailer(s) for you. A pickup truck is the wrong tool for the job of moving a semi trailer and there is no sane reason why anyone would ever use one to do so. Even if a docked trailer caught fire you could get it off the dock faster and more easily with a forklift than you could with a pickup truck, 3500 Dually or not.

Here is a video showing a Ford F450 towing a 53 foot semi trailer down the freeway at highway speed. Can definitely be done with a RAM 3500 with a towing capacity of 35,000 pounds.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/fo ... i-trailer/
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:40 am

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How often is a RAM 3500 dually used for towing a 53 foot semi trailer across the yard compared to a standard yard tractor?


Never, as in not ever.

Here is a video showing a Ford F450 towing a 53 foot semi trailer down the freeway at highway speed. Can definitely be done with a RAM 3500 with a towing capacity of 35,000 pounds.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/fo ... i-trailer/


First of all, it is a F-450 which as the article notes is able to tow 31,000. The rig is set up to tow such trailers, including a '5th Wheel' hitch and it has an air brake set up for the trailer. It is operated by a CDL certified driver and owned or under contract by a trucking company. They might use this rig to deliver new and used trailers, for repair, refurbishment and relocation.
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:47 am

ltbewr wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
TSS wrote:

Never, as in not ever.

Here is a video showing a Ford F450 towing a 53 foot semi trailer down the freeway at highway speed. Can definitely be done with a RAM 3500 with a towing capacity of 35,000 pounds.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/fo ... i-trailer/


First of all, it is a F-450 which as the article notes is able to tow 31,000. The rig is set up to tow such trailers, including a '5th Wheel' hitch and it has an air brake set up for the trailer. It is operated by a CDL certified driver and owned or under contract by a trucking company. They might use this rig to deliver new and used trailers, for repair, refurbishment and relocation.

The trailer here is once again only like 15,000 pounds when empty and the laws for using such a truck to tow such a trailer may vary by state as well, including by CDL holders.
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:21 am

ltbewr wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
TSS wrote:

Never, as in not ever.

Here is a video showing a Ford F450 towing a 53 foot semi trailer down the freeway at highway speed. Can definitely be done with a RAM 3500 with a towing capacity of 35,000 pounds.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/fo ... i-trailer/


First of all, it is a F-450 which as the article notes is able to tow 31,000. The rig is set up to tow such trailers, including a '5th Wheel' hitch and it has an air brake set up for the trailer. It is operated by a CDL certified driver and owned or under contract by a trucking company. They might use this rig to deliver new and used trailers, for repair, refurbishment and relocation.


Also, the video is found on a website that is nothing more than an advertisement for Ford pickups... hardly an unbiased source.
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:36 am

ltbewr wrote:
The idea of trying to tow a 53 foot semi-trailer, even empty, on a RAM 3500 or equivalent class truck is something that would be done by some 'Florida Man' or someone too cheap or despite to use the proper vehicle. The trailers used with 3500 class trucks have electric brakes or hydraulic ones set up at the hitch. The lack of proper air brakes would likely lead to disaster. Then you have the overloading of the rear axle of the truck, if a standard box 53 ft semi-trailer, add the extra height of the hitch arrangement then you might have a problem with low overpasses. For sure such use wouldn't be covered by insurance if in a crash, potential costs of damage and repairs to the vehicle, possible fines and tickets, loss of CDL or a standard drivers' license, means way more in costs that paying to use a proper truck.


Agreed. This isn't just about power. Power is the easy part. A commercial truck is built so much heavier. The suspension, wheels, frame, axles etc. The peak power may be similar at 450hp, but a class 8 truck is far more under stressed. It is designed to last 1 million miles putting that much power to the road, in all weather, pulling 40 tons. That duty would kill a personal pickup truck in 10,000 miles.

A pickup is nothing but a joke compared to a commercial truck.
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:33 pm

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ltbewr wrote:
The idea of trying to tow a 53 foot semi-trailer, even empty, on a RAM 3500 or equivalent class truck is something that would be done by some 'Florida Man' or someone too cheap or despite to use the proper vehicle. The trailers used with 3500 class trucks have electric brakes or hydraulic ones set up at the hitch. The lack of proper air brakes would likely lead to disaster. Then you have the overloading of the rear axle of the truck, if a standard box 53 ft semi-trailer, add the extra height of the hitch arrangement then you might have a problem with low overpasses. For sure such use wouldn't be covered by insurance if in a crash, potential costs of damage and repairs to the vehicle, possible fines and tickets, loss of CDL or a standard drivers' license, means way more in costs that paying to use a proper truck.


Agreed. This isn't just about power. Power is the easy part. A commercial truck is built so much heavier. The suspension, wheels, frame, axles etc. The peak power may be similar at 450hp, but a class 8 truck is far more under stressed. It is designed to last 1 million miles putting that much power to the road, in all weather, pulling 40 tons. That duty would kill a personal pickup truck in 10,000 miles.

A pickup is nothing but a joke compared to a commercial truck.

Would it be possible to tow a 53 foot semi trailer with a RAM 3500 or Ford F450 across the yard though?
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:39 pm

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Would it be possible to tow a 53 foot semi trailer with a RAM 3500 or Ford F450 across the yard though?
Trucking companies don't have pickup truck chassis. As others have said, they have yard tractors...look it up. They have several advantages over a RAM. They have elevating 5th wheels, which means you don't have to hand crank the landing gear up or down. They have the axles to support the weight. Towing weight and weight on axles are two entirely different things. They have rear access from the cab so that connecting or disconnecting air lines is only a step from the driver's seat.
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:54 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
Is it a good idea to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer with a Dodge Ram 3500 dually pickup truck or maybe add a little load but not exceeding the axle weight limits for the pickup or the trailer, which has a towing capacity of like 35,000 pounds? I do know that an empty 53 foot semi trailer normally tower by a semi truck tractor only weighs like 15,000 pounds.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1304605&p=18230693&hilit=Towing+a+loaded+trailer#p18230693
https://www.dancumminschryslerdodgejeep ... -3500-tow/
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... h_no_cargo


Okay, for starters how would you hook it up? I have occasionally seen a "fifth-wheel" setup with a receiver of the same type as is used on semi trailers, but I suspect those are used for much lighter flatbeds or for trailers that are balanced for use with pickups rather than actual semi trailers. Trailers designed for use with pickups support most of their own weight on their own wheels which is why their wheels are located much closer to the center of the trailer chassis, usually about 60% of the way back from the front of the trailer rather than all the way at the rear as with semi trailers. You'd need to use a dolly such as are used with tandem trailers otherwise the weight of the trailer at the connection point would far exceed a pickup's capability, even with a fifth-wheel setup.

Once that's tackled, there's the issue of the trailer's air brakes: I'm not aware of any add-on that gives a conventional pickup the capability of actuating a semi trailer's air brakes, although someone somewhere might make such a thing.

Then you'd get into weight and aerodynamics, an excess of the first and a near-total lack of the second.

What type of pickup trucks tow a trailer that uses a fifth wheel and is designed for pickup trucks?
 
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:48 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
TSS wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Is it a good idea to tow an empty 53 foot semi trailer with a Dodge Ram 3500 dually pickup truck or maybe add a little load but not exceeding the axle weight limits for the pickup or the trailer, which has a towing capacity of like 35,000 pounds? I do know that an empty 53 foot semi trailer normally tower by a semi truck tractor only weighs like 15,000 pounds.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1304605&p=18230693&hilit=Towing+a+loaded+trailer#p18230693
https://www.dancumminschryslerdodgejeep ... -3500-tow/
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... h_no_cargo


Okay, for starters how would you hook it up? I have occasionally seen a "fifth-wheel" setup with a receiver of the same type as is used on semi trailers, but I suspect those are used for much lighter flatbeds or for trailers that are balanced for use with pickups rather than actual semi trailers. Trailers designed for use with pickups support most of their own weight on their own wheels which is why their wheels are located much closer to the center of the trailer chassis, usually about 60% of the way back from the front of the trailer rather than all the way at the rear as with semi trailers. You'd need to use a dolly such as are used with tandem trailers otherwise the weight of the trailer at the connection point would far exceed a pickup's capability, even with a fifth-wheel setup.

Once that's tackled, there's the issue of the trailer's air brakes: I'm not aware of any add-on that gives a conventional pickup the capability of actuating a semi trailer's air brakes, although someone somewhere might make such a thing.

Then you'd get into weight and aerodynamics, an excess of the first and a near-total lack of the second.


What type of pickup trucks tow a trailer that uses a fifth wheel and is designed for pickup trucks?


Kiwirob posted a link to an excellent and informative video that explains the differences between types of trailers and the trucks that tow them which reiterates most of what I've said here as well as going into a bit more detail, including helpful illustrations, on all points. Here is another link to that video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYz_y9RQFw
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Re: Towing a 53 Foot Semi Trailer With a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually

Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:15 pm

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
TSS wrote:

Okay, for starters how would you hook it up? I have occasionally seen a "fifth-wheel" setup with a receiver of the same type as is used on semi trailers, but I suspect those are used for much lighter flatbeds or for trailers that are balanced for use with pickups rather than actual semi trailers. Trailers designed for use with pickups support most of their own weight on their own wheels which is why their wheels are located much closer to the center of the trailer chassis, usually about 60% of the way back from the front of the trailer rather than all the way at the rear as with semi trailers. You'd need to use a dolly such as are used with tandem trailers otherwise the weight of the trailer at the connection point would far exceed a pickup's capability, even with a fifth-wheel setup.

Once that's tackled, there's the issue of the trailer's air brakes: I'm not aware of any add-on that gives a conventional pickup the capability of actuating a semi trailer's air brakes, although someone somewhere might make such a thing.

Then you'd get into weight and aerodynamics, an excess of the first and a near-total lack of the second.


What type of pickup trucks tow a trailer that uses a fifth wheel and is designed for pickup trucks?


Kiwirob posted a link to an excellent and informative video that explains the differences between types of trailers and the trucks that tow them which reiterates most of what I've said here as well as going into a bit more detail, including helpful illustrations, on all points. Here is another link to that video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYz_y9RQFw

Would it be possible to tow one of the trailers shown in the video designed for pickup trucks that use a fifth wheel to be towed with a Ford F250 or F350 that is not dually wheel and gas powered?

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