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Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:33 pm
by apodino
This morning, Federal Agents arrested Ghislaine Maxwell, the alleged Madam who was working with Jeffrey Epstein and charged her with multiple counts

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein/index.html

Big development here. I hope there are two guards and publicly streamed webcams 24-7 watching her, because I do not want to see her die in Jail or commit suicide before her day in Court. This story is just heating up, and I predict that if this information does come out and she gets to trial, a lot of big names are going down. Prince Andrew is probably the biggest name linked here, and the FBI has been trying to negotiate with Buckingham Palace over interviewing him. There are other names I have seen linked to this case, mainly spotted on Epstein's Island. Among them

Bill Clinton (Everyone knows this)
George Mitchell (Former senate Majority Leader, also wrote the Mitchell Report on steroids in Baseball)
Bill Richardson (Former New Mexico governor, also served in the Obama Administration)
Ehud Barak (Former Israeli Prime Minister)
Leslie Wexner (Victoria's Secret Founder)

I will be watching this closely to see where this leads. I would not be surprised at all if something related to this case emerged as the October surprise come election time.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:38 pm
by casinterest
So not let William Barr visit here without cameras :)


Don't forget to add Donald Trump to the list.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:40 pm
by TSS
I'm so sorry to hear about Ms. Maxwell's suicide next Tuesday. Unfortunately it will happen during a moment when the jail's backup generators are being tested so no video of it will be recorded.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:54 pm
by apodino
I did take a closer look at this after my earlier post, and I admit that what I was basing my earlier post on was something that came out last week which named a few people but not Trump. I forgot to mention Alan Derschowitz name in this, but he is on there. After taking a closer look at this, Trump clearly has some ties to Epstein and if there is a smoking gun found, I don't see how even Republicans who have defended him against everything can wriggle him out of this.

One curious thing I found about this case is the timing. If I am not mistaken, this is the same US Attorney district in New York where Geoffrey Berman was just controversially fired by Barr. (The firing that Trump denied knowing anything about.) The acting US Attorney filing the charges in this case is a woman named Audrey Strauss. There was a lot of speculation as to why Barr fired Berman. I don't know if this case had anything to do with the firing. That being said, there is no way charges in a case this high profile would be filed without Barr signing off on it. That being said, if Trump is involved, who knows what kind of legal tap dancing Barr will pull, or will Barr actually turn on Trump?

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:09 pm
by BN747
apodino wrote:
One curious thing I found about this case is the timing. If I am not mistaken, this is the same US Attorney district in New York where Geoffrey Berman was just controversially fired by Barr. (The firing that Trump denied knowing anything about.) The acting US Attorney filing the charges in this case is a woman named Audrey Strauss. There was a lot of speculation as to why Barr fired Berman. I don't know if this case had anything to do with the firing. That being said, there is no way charges in a case this high profile would be filed without Barr signing off on it. That being said, if Trump is involved, who knows what kind of legal tap dancing Barr will pull, or will Barr actually turn on Trump?


Audrey Strauss is Berman's protege, Berman insisted than for a amiable parting of the was..not to appoint some 'never ever having prosecuted a case' clown like the Wall Street pawn friend of trump's (which he already had lined up for the job) be his replacement but that Strauss be named acting SDNY head to carry on the teams work.

SDNY picked up Manafort and a few others without Barr's signing off on anything, so I'm inclined to believe this is a surprised to Barr as was Epstein's arrest. Question is, will Barr make a personal private visit to Maxwell as he did to Epstein who died shortly there after. You know he wants pay her a visit..after all Epstein and Barr's dad were very very close friends.

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:49 am
by ltbewr
I hope this bimbo (I would like to use really nasty terms for her not allowed here), rats out others and ends up with life in a hard core jail. Too bad one of the minor aged victims themselves or someone in their family didn't shot both of them to death years ago. Maxwell has been on the run for years, she was finally found in a rented mansion in New Hampshire. With the death of Epstein, Maxwell needs to face justice for the victims. I am afraid that this prosecutor was chosen and ordered by AG Barr to not allow any victims to testify against anyone but Epstein and Maxwell.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:57 am
by Aaron747
ltbewr wrote:
I hope this bimbo (I would like to use really nasty terms for her not allowed here), rats out others and ends up with life in a hard core jail. Too bad one of the minor aged victims themselves or someone in their family didn't shot both of them to death years ago. Maxwell has been on the run for years, she was finally found in a rented mansion in New Hampshire. With the death of Epstein, Maxwell needs to face justice for the victims. I am afraid that this prosecutor was chosen and ordered by AG Barr to not allow any victims to testify against anyone but Epstein and Maxwell.


She may be anything but - her father had spook ties and died mysteriously and she seems very adept at conning her way into whoever is convenient at the time. Her sick hobbies are just icing on the cake. She knows or has dirt on captains of industry, Trump, the Clintons, Dersh, royalty, who knows what else??

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:03 am
by BN747
Aaron747 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I hope this bimbo (I would like to use really nasty terms for her not allowed here), rats out others and ends up with life in a hard core jail. Too bad one of the minor aged victims themselves or someone in their family didn't shot both of them to death years ago. Maxwell has been on the run for years, she was finally found in a rented mansion in New Hampshire. With the death of Epstein, Maxwell needs to face justice for the victims. I am afraid that this prosecutor was chosen and ordered by AG Barr to not allow any victims to testify against anyone but Epstein and Maxwell.


She may be anything but - her father had spook ties and died mysteriously and she seems very adept at conning her way into whoever is convenient at the time. Her sick hobbies are just icing on the cake. She knows or has dirt on captains of industry, Trump, the Clintons, Dersh, royalty, who knows what else??



who knows what else?? = anyone is power circles (captains) in the entire NY power structure and the satellite cities tied to NY financially and politically where Epstein could 'do his thing' without worry. Chief prosecutor atop the list Rudy Guiliani, the mob slayer (or was he?) makes you wonder when he was running around in drag, was the Clinton 'in drag' portrait done from the same affair? They all know each other and the ties run deeper than the NY subway system.

It's a Too Big to Take Down scenarios, the fish hanging on the lowest rungs should be worried..becuz the public wants to see somebody or a few people go down for this.

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:54 am
by BN747
Light years beyond your hero grabbing them by the cooch...certainly nowhere near the criminal act of rape.

Tragic how some (I assume adults) gauge and rate degrees of offense...as if all invasions of privacy are 'equal or the same'.

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:30 am
by TTailedTiger
Funny to see you all conveniently omitting the terabytes of photos with Epstein and numerous other politicians and celebrities. I don't think this is a road you want to go down. Not to mention Trump speaking ill of Epstein for many years now.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:49 am
by tommy1808
TTailedTiger wrote:
Funny to see you all conveniently omitting the terabytes of photos with Epstein and numerous other politicians and celebrities..


How many of those are self admitted serial sex offenders and currently run for President?

Best regards
Thomas

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:54 am
by Aesma
Will she play the victim card ?

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:21 pm
by BN747
Aesma wrote:
Will she play the victim card ?


You know her high powered attorney is going to try, they'll even claim her deceased father or an uncle molested her as a child and sent her on the path of ill repute.

Umm lady, 1 out 4 women (or more) have that tragic life experience...and decided not to earn a living pimping under-aged girls to their friends.

And she's no Madam, a Madam has style, class, finess and doesn't trade in children. You (Ghislane) are a full blown pimp!

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:12 pm
by casinterest
NIKV69 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
So not let William Barr visit here without cameras :)


Don't forget to add Donald Trump to the list.


Why would we do that? You know something we don't? I would wait for that pesky stuff called evidence and not innuendo


Already posted it. He has as much exposure, if not more than Clinton on this one.

But just for more info, here is an article on why Eric Trump already deleted his tweet tying Maxwell to Clinton,

https://www.businessinsider.com/eric-tr ... res-2020-7

Donald Trump and Epstein were members of New York's socialite circles in the 1980s. In 2002, Trump said he knew the late financier for 15 years and described him as a "lot of fun" and "terrific guy."


"It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side," Trump said of Epstein in NY Mag. "No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:49 pm
by DLFREEBIRD
birds of a feather, I really didn't need to know that these types of people exist, Regarding her arrest, she's only upset because Epstein estate won't pay her legal bills. She's now suing the estate. I suspect she's had plenty of time to hide the money she made off of being Epstein madam/property manager. Her father killed himself after he stole his employee's pensions and was exposed. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. What a wasted life. Born into privilege, then scandal, she repeated the cycle. i think Epstein did kill himself cause he signed a will two days before he died. if he hadn't the money would of went to his brother. Now his brother gets nothing and i would like to know who really controls Epstein estate, which refuses to give the madam any legal defense money. I hope authorities freeze the money and it all goes to the victim. Such sleazy people.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:00 pm
by meecrob
I can't believe Ghislaine killed herself next week.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:26 pm
by Aaron747
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
birds of a feather, I really didn't need to know that these types of people exist, Regarding her arrest, she's only upset because Epstein estate won't pay her legal bills. She's now suing the estate. I suspect she's had plenty of time to hide the money she made off of being Epstein madam/property manager. Her father killed himself after he stole his employee's pensions and was exposed. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. What a wasted life. Born into privilege, then scandal, she repeated the cycle. i think Epstein did kill himself cause he signed a will two days before he died. if he hadn't the money would of went to his brother. Now his brother gets nothing and i would like to know who really controls Epstein estate, which refuses to give the madam any legal defense money. I hope authorities freeze the money and it all goes to the victim. Such sleazy people.


Highlights a fundamental issue with our wealth-privilege system. Guy damages hundreds, if not thousands of lives, yet still has a posthumous estate. Everything should have gone to the victims.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:31 pm
by apodino
Aaron747 wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
birds of a feather, I really didn't need to know that these types of people exist, Regarding her arrest, she's only upset because Epstein estate won't pay her legal bills. She's now suing the estate. I suspect she's had plenty of time to hide the money she made off of being Epstein madam/property manager. Her father killed himself after he stole his employee's pensions and was exposed. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. What a wasted life. Born into privilege, then scandal, she repeated the cycle. i think Epstein did kill himself cause he signed a will two days before he died. if he hadn't the money would of went to his brother. Now his brother gets nothing and i would like to know who really controls Epstein estate, which refuses to give the madam any legal defense money. I hope authorities freeze the money and it all goes to the victim. Such sleazy people.


Highlights a fundamental issue with our wealth-privilege system. Guy damages hundreds, if not thousands of lives, yet still has a posthumous estate. Everything should have gone to the victims.

Considering many of the Victims are engaged in a civil lawsuit, I think the estate will eventually be paid to them. Unfortunately that has to work its way through the legal system.

One worry I have about this case with the election looming. Lets say that Biden wins the election and Trump becomes a Lame Duck president. My fear is that Trump will pardon Maxwell on his way out, thus keeping her quiet, and thus justice never served. It would be to cover Trumps own ass of course, but I could see a lot of big names breathing a sigh of relief if this were to ever happen.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:04 am
by BN747
meecrob wrote:
I can't believe Ghislaine killed herself next week.


Vegas says you're right on the money...

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:43 am
by BN747
The Guilty AF Alan Dershowitz is moving fast to position himself in Ghislane Maxwell's favor by issuing a Op-ed in kissing her ass.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/alan-d ... e-maxwell/

If that there was ever a case and innocent man would step aside and let the chips fall where they may, it's this one.

Clinton is smart, staying quiet and praying like hell she doesn't rat him out as are all Dems, Repubs, Priests and other high Moral souls who gave into the craving for underaged kid sex.

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:28 am
by DLFREEBIRD
Alan Dershowitz is right she is presumed innocent until proven guilty. But him claiming to know her doesn't mean that he knew what happened behind closed doors. Epstein was proven guilty and was a registered sex offender If she did rape an underaged child 30 times as claimed. I have to believe, there are a lot of victims who have not yet come forward. I highly suspect that Alan Dershowitz, essay, won't stop them from coming forward. Nobody does this for 4 years and then stops. They are sick and will continue to do this.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:48 am
by apodino
There are rumblings that some of the incidents may have happened in London in addition to what we know happened on the US side. If this is true, could the crown prosecutor also bring charges over in the U.K.?

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:42 am
by BN747
apodino wrote:
There are rumblings that some of the incidents may have happened in London in addition to what we know happened on the US side. If this is true, could the crown prosecutor also bring charges over in the U.K.?


Problem with that statement is 'what do we know of in the US'...my guess, lucky to reach 1% of Team Epstein Criminal Acts.

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:44 am
by FTMCPIUS
casinterest wrote:
So not let William Barr visit here without cameras :)


Don't forget to add Donald Trump to the list.

If Trump wan't involved she will receive maximum security (much more so than Epstein). If he was involved, she's a goner.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:38 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
Chew on these questions,

https://spectator.us/five-questions-ghislaine-maxwell/

Was Epstein or Maxwell paid informants to the FBI? Why? Hoover was famous for using his agency to spy on and control politicians, maybe Team FBI hasn’t escaped its past yet.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:52 pm
by Aaron747
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Chew on these questions,

https://spectator.us/five-questions-ghislaine-maxwell/

Was Epstein or Maxwell paid informants to the FBI? Why? Hoover was famous for using his agency to spy on and control politicians, maybe Team FBI hasn’t escaped its past yet.


Epstein put a life that lavish and secretive together on managing other people’s money and FBI informing? Nonsense. My money’s on foreign government(s). Would be old hat for a Maxwell too.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:21 pm
by DLFREEBIRD
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Chew on these questions,

https://spectator.us/five-questions-ghislaine-maxwell/

Was Epstein or Maxwell paid informants to the FBI? Why? Hoover was famous for using his agency to spy on and control politicians, maybe Team FBI hasn’t escaped its past yet.



she left the country 13 times and always returned. The logical explanation is she thought she was protected. I'm sure the FBI did their homework investigating her Property management business, sure it can be lucrative, but it also can be used to launder money and other shady business dealings.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:06 pm
by NIKV69
FTMCPIUS wrote:



If Trump wan't involved she will receive maximum security (much more so than Epstein). If he was involved, she's a goner.


Sub Clinton for Trump above and it's a bit more accurate.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:33 pm
by Aaron747
NIKV69 wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:



If Trump wan't involved she will receive maximum security (much more so than Epstein). If he was involved, she's a goner.


Sub Clinton for Trump above and it's a bit more accurate.


Silly - for all we know 42 and 45 were buddy-buddy at JE’s Manhattan lair. And you’re ascribing a lot of reach to someone who hasn’t been in power since Jan 2000. Face it - they’re both in deep. Some NY tabloid reporting even alleges that the ‘falling out’ between Epstein and 45 was over Ivanka. Sordid circles these people travel in.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:56 am
by GalaxyFlyer
Aaron747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Chew on these questions,

https://spectator.us/five-questions-ghislaine-maxwell/

Was Epstein or Maxwell paid informants to the FBI? Why? Hoover was famous for using his agency to spy on and control politicians, maybe Team FBI hasn’t escaped its past yet.


Epstein put a life that lavish and secretive together on managing other people’s money and FBI informing? Nonsense. My money’s on foreign government(s). Would be old hat for a Maxwell too.



There’s big questions on whether he actually was managing other people’s money or he was a mule for those using him. His finances are, shall we say, complex and opaque. It’s very unlikely he was a financial wizard who made his pile legitimately

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:11 am
by Aaron747
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Chew on these questions,

https://spectator.us/five-questions-ghislaine-maxwell/

Was Epstein or Maxwell paid informants to the FBI? Why? Hoover was famous for using his agency to spy on and control politicians, maybe Team FBI hasn’t escaped its past yet.


Epstein put a life that lavish and secretive together on managing other people’s money and FBI informing? Nonsense. My money’s on foreign government(s). Would be old hat for a Maxwell too.



There’s big questions on whether he actually was managing other people’s money or he was a mule for those using him. His finances are, shall we say, complex and opaque. It’s very unlikely he was a financial wizard who made his pile legitimately


Exactly - not to mention that anyone with the free time to have three massages a day and shuttle girls to and from the Caribbean isn’t managing much of anything. From the level of detail in Maxwell’s black book to the videotaping of sordid goings-on, the whole thing reads like a twisted spy novel. If you wanted to catch out a lot of people in the west, sow distrust in power, and drop it like a bomb one day, this is certainly one way of doing it.

Sounds to me like someone identified Epstein as a sick puppy early on, and realized he had the smarts and con ability to be very useful getting other powerful people to drop their guard in his ‘safe space’. Maxwell is less enigmatic, but very organized and methodical, and who knows what tradecraft her father taught her early on...

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:59 am
by LCDFlight
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Alan Dershowitz is right she is presumed innocent until proven guilty. But him claiming to know her doesn't mean that he knew what happened behind closed doors. Epstein was proven guilty and was a registered sex offender If she did rape an underaged child 30 times as claimed. I have to believe, there are a lot of victims who have not yet come forward. I highly suspect that Alan Dershowitz, essay, won't stop them from coming forward. Nobody does this for 4 years and then stops. They are sick and will continue to do this.


Innocent of what?! She is confirmed by eyewitnesses to have done what she did. There is no question about her identity, really. She will be convicted, if she lives... (most troubling is victims under age 18. That's the real criminal issue here). but let's be real, she probably has only days to live.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:08 am
by FTMCPIUS
NIKV69 wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:



If Trump wan't involved she will receive maximum security (much more so than Epstein). If he was involved, she's a goner.


Sub Clinton for Trump above and it's a bit more accurate.

With both Clinton AND Trump it will be absolutely accurate.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:10 am
by sierrakilo44
apodino wrote:
Prince Andrew is probably the biggest name linked here, and the FBI has been trying to negotiate with Buckingham Palace over interviewing him. There are other names I have seen linked to this case, mainly spotted on Epstein's Island. Among them

Bill Clinton (Everyone knows this)
George Mitchell (Former senate Majority Leader, also wrote the Mitchell Report on steroids in Baseball)
Bill Richardson (Former New Mexico governor, also served in the Obama Administration)
Ehud Barak (Former Israeli Prime Minister)
Leslie Wexner (Victoria's Secret Founder)


I think there's someone else on that list who you've interestingly left out. I think he is quite famous, seemed to be VERY close to Epstein and Maxwell and a lot of very young women, seems to be in the news a lot and in a position of power, there's quite a lot of pictures of him and Epstein/Maxwell here, just can't put a name to him.....:

https://twitter.com/Fly_Sistah/status/1 ... 51047?s=20

I will be watching this closely to see where this leads. I would not be surprised at all if something related to this case emerged as the October surprise come election time.


Perhaps one of the candidates in the race flew on the jet of the boyfriend of this person arrested, socialized on each other's property, held parties where Epstein and himself were the only male guests among plenty of young women and the former Labor Secretary of his arranged for a cushy plea deal to keep Epstein out of prison?

Yes, it would be a surprise for all that information to be revealed in October.......

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:17 am
by cpd
sierrakilo44 wrote:
apodino wrote:
Prince Andrew is probably the biggest name linked here, and the FBI has been trying to negotiate with Buckingham Palace over interviewing him. There are other names I have seen linked to this case, mainly spotted on Epstein's Island. Among them

Bill Clinton (Everyone knows this)
George Mitchell (Former senate Majority Leader, also wrote the Mitchell Report on steroids in Baseball)
Bill Richardson (Former New Mexico governor, also served in the Obama Administration)
Ehud Barak (Former Israeli Prime Minister)
Leslie Wexner (Victoria's Secret Founder)


I think there's someone else on that list who you've interestingly left out. I think he is quite famous, seemed to be VERY close to Epstein and Maxwell and a lot of very young women, seems to be in the news a lot and in a position of power, there's quite a lot of pictures of him and Epstein/Maxwell here, just can't put a name to him.....:

https://twitter.com/Fly_Sistah/status/1 ... 51047?s=20

I will be watching this closely to see where this leads. I would not be surprised at all if something related to this case emerged as the October surprise come election time.


Perhaps one of the candidates in the race flew on the jet of the boyfriend of this person arrested, socialized on each other's property, held parties where Epstein and himself were the only male guests among plenty of young women and the former Labor Secretary of his arranged for a cushy plea deal to keep Epstein out of prison?

Yes, it would be a surprise for all that information to be revealed in October.......


Add Trump to the list, and possibly Elon Musk too:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/onli ... 763bdc3ae1

We shall see what becomes of that. Maybe it's just a chance thing that they were both together there.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:39 pm
by DLFREEBIRD
LCDFlight wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Alan Dershowitz is right she is presumed innocent until proven guilty. But him claiming to know her doesn't mean that he knew what happened behind closed doors. Epstein was proven guilty and was a registered sex offender If she did rape an underaged child 30 times as claimed. I have to believe, there are a lot of victims who have not yet come forward. I highly suspect that Alan Dershowitz, essay, won't stop them from coming forward. Nobody does this for 4 years and then stops. They are sick and will continue to do this.


Innocent of what?! She is confirmed by eyewitnesses to have done what she did. There is no question about her identity, really. She will be convicted, if she lives... (most troubling is victims under age 18. That's the real criminal issue here). but let's be real, she probably has only days to live.





One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged. but you knew that.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:24 pm
by sierrakilo44
cpd wrote:

Add Trump to the list, and possibly Elon Musk too:

We shall see what becomes of that. Maybe it's just a chance thing that they were both together there.


It doesn't seem that Musk had any further contact with Maxwell/Epstein beyond a photo at an event they both attended. Who knows if further information will come out.

The close links between Maxwell/Epstein and Trump, and in fact all the Trumps (Epstein's private phonebook contained 14 different phone numbers for Donald, his family and his staff), are undeniable.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:34 pm
by bennett123
Is it likely that any sentences would be consecutive or concurrent?.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:16 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
With Epstein’s death, Maxwell is at the top of the pile, so why would she be naming names unless their is a possibility of either proving a bigger fish guilty or bargaining for a pardon. Say she says, “I saw (insert one of those names here) having sex with an underage girl”. Prove they knew the girl was underage, prove they knew her circumstances and what appeared to be consensual was not in fact so. I think they can make a case against her, but the rest is tough one. Trump can’t pardon them all, too political. The rest can’t grant pardons.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:23 pm
by BN747
[quote="GalaxyFlyer"]With Epstein’s death, Maxwell is at the top of the pile, so why would she be naming names unless their is a possibility of either proving a bigger fish guilty or bargaining for a pardon. Say she says, “I saw (insert one of those names here) having sex with an underage girl”. Prove they knew the girl was underage, prove they knew her circumstances and what appeared to be consensual was not in fact so. I think they can make a case against her, but the rest is tough one. Trump can’t pardon them all, too political. The rest can’t grant pardons.[/quo

Naming names...hmmmm.

So how are the political battle lines lining up to mitigate or exacerbate the potential nuclear weaponry Ghislaine Maxwell can produce.

Is Barr calculating (remember, Epstein was close friends with his dad AND Barr, arranging the arrest of Noriega - saving Bush enormous embarrassment , manage get six people off from Iran-Contra) had to know what Epstein & his dad was up to way back in the day...so is he sculpturing the outcome of this saga to ensure no trump damage emerges with promises out Michael Flynn like interference if she keeps quiet.

Are DNC contacts trying to contact her to see if she has any goods on Cuomo, VP picks or any popular Dem figures? Or trump dirt they could use.

Is the Crown being dragged back into another Andrew fight to keep the family from any further embarrassment...

Dershowitz will unquestionably lead or be apart of her legal team after that audition (his supporting article) in line with sealing his pedo activity being exposed.

Then there's the long list pedo participants armed with lawyers and publicists out to salvage their reputations...

All visitors and phone callers or calls out should be made public - NOT the converstations...just who are the parties involving themselves in extra-ordinary fashion.

Working cameras on her 247.

But of course, none of this will happen... because the truth CANNOT be known under any circumstances.


BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:08 am
by NIKV69
BN747 wrote:
Are DNC contacts trying to contact her to see if she has any goods on Cuomo, VP picks or any popular Dem figures? Or trump dirt they could use.

Is the Crown being dragged back into another Andrew fight to keep the family from any further embarrassment...

Dershowitz will unquestionably lead or be apart of her legal team after that audition (his supporting article) in line with sealing his pedo activity being exposed.

Then there's the long list pedo participants armed with lawyers and publicists out to salvage their reputations...

All visitors and phone callers or calls out should be made public - NOT the converstations...just who are the parties involving themselves in extra-ordinary fashion.

Working cameras on her 247
But of course, none of this will happen... because the truth CANNOT be known under any circumstances. .



Kind of like the Hollywood pedophile thing. Cuomo is not involved in this but many Hollywood types probably are.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:15 am
by BN747
NIKV69 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Are DNC contacts trying to contact her to see if she has any goods on Cuomo, VP picks or any popular Dem figures? Or trump dirt they could use.

Is the Crown being dragged back into another Andrew fight to keep the family from any further embarrassment...

Dershowitz will unquestionably lead or be apart of her legal team after that audition (his supporting article) in line with sealing his pedo activity being exposed.

Then there's the long list pedo participants armed with lawyers and publicists out to salvage their reputations...

All visitors and phone callers or calls out should be made public - NOT the converstations...just who are the parties involving themselves in extra-ordinary fashion.

Working cameras on her 247
But of course, none of this will happen... because the truth CANNOT be known under any circumstances. .



Kind of like the Hollywood pedophile thing. Cuomo is not involved in this but many Hollywood types probably are.


Good point...but knowing the Hollywood crowd as I do, I'd place may wage on Hollywood has their own Epstein procurer of pedo action. Their closest Epstein player known to date was Heidi Fleiss and she was 'outed' via a complaint she was not as flamboyant (look at me, snapping photos) as Epstein was. Who ever is supplying the pedos out here ..learned from Heidi's exposure to burrow deep deep underground with super security 'lookout' apparatus in place. Epstein blows up and they certainly went into deep cover..but I bet anything the only thing that has slowed them up has Covid.

But I have no doubt some brazen types who think 'I'm friends with Bill & trump' so if they can't get 'got' neither can I. trump does have a mansion here.

I'm certain the Epstein scare had an impact on some (those connected to Epstein) and I'm sure many are on the' look out' ..but not many, the Corey Haim/Corey Feldman episode is still bring the heat.

Purveyors in this trade are global, particularly in circles of constant extreme decadance, like Dubai, here, NYC, Miami, London, Paris, etc.

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:05 pm
by johns624
FTMCPIUS wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:



If Trump wan't involved she will receive maximum security (much more so than Epstein). If he was involved, she's a goner.


Sub Clinton for Trump above and it's a bit more accurate.

With both Clinton AND Trump it will be absolutely accurate.
Yep. That's the reason that neither the GOP or Dems made much of a stink when Epstein ended up dead. I do believe he killed himself, but here's my theory---Epstein had the goods on a lot of famous and powerful people. He figured he was teflon. Some government agency (take your pick of the alphabet) found his supposed hidden and password protected evidence. They had someone, maybe his lawyer, maybe someone else, visit him and tell him that they'd found it and he'd never be able to use it. They gave enough evidence to him to prove it was the truth. They told him he'd be just another pedophile in prison doing hard time. They gave him time to take his own life.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:56 pm
by apodino
johns624 wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

Sub Clinton for Trump above and it's a bit more accurate.

With both Clinton AND Trump it will be absolutely accurate.
Yep. That's the reason that neither the GOP or Dems made much of a stink when Epstein ended up dead. I do believe he killed himself, but here's my theory---Epstein had the goods on a lot of famous and powerful people. He figured he was teflon. Some government agency (take your pick of the alphabet) found his supposed hidden and password protected evidence. They had someone, maybe his lawyer, maybe someone else, visit him and tell him that they'd found it and he'd never be able to use it. They gave enough evidence to him to prove it was the truth. They told him he'd be just another pedophile in prison doing hard time. They gave him time to take his own life.


For this reason, if Maxwell ends up not being protected, there will be a lot of suspicion thrown on everyone involved in this case. Despite what was said, I still believe that Epstein met with foul play. And some of the names I have seen that visited Epstein over the years (Doesn't mean they were guilty, but makes you think hard) are big time players in DC, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood. (Which I would argue are the four major centers of power in this country.) I have seen Hollywood actors such as Tom Hanks mentioned, Elon Musk has been mentioned, Bill Gates, and all the other names we know about.

The big question to be answered is around Prince Andrew. I suspect he was more involved than we know, and he has basically lawyered up and stopped talking. Will Maxwell rat him out? And who will Maxwell rat out to save her own ass?

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:06 pm
by johns624
apodino wrote:
The big question to be answered is around Prince Andrew. I suspect he was more involved than we know, and he has basically lawyered up and stopped talking. Will Maxwell rat him out? And who will Maxwell rat out to save her own ass?
That was sorta my point. The powers to be have destroyed all the evidence (or kept it for themselves) so that she can't rat out anyone, since it would be a he said, she said. All the hard evidence has disappeared.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:33 pm
by NIKV69
BN747 wrote:


Good point...but knowing the Hollywood crowd as I do, I'd place may wage on Hollywood has their own Epstein procurer of pedo action. Their closest Epstein player known to date was Heidi Fleiss and she was 'outed' via a complaint she was not as flamboyant (look at me, snapping photos) as Epstein was. Who ever is supplying the pedos out here ..learned from Heidi's exposure to burrow deep deep underground with super security 'lookout' apparatus in place. Epstein blows up and they certainly went into deep cover..but I bet anything the only thing that has slowed them up has Covid.

But I have no doubt some brazen types who think 'I'm friends with Bill & trump' so if they can't get 'got' neither can I. trump does have a mansion here.

I'm certain the Epstein scare had an impact on some (those connected to Epstein) and I'm sure many are on the' look out' ..but not many, the Corey Haim/Corey Feldman episode is still bring the heat.

Purveyors in this trade are global, particularly in circles of constant extreme decadance, like Dubai, here, NYC, Miami, London, Paris, etc.

BN747


With anybody like Epstein there has to be grooming. We saw it here and we saw it with Penn State football. I don't how it goes so long when everyone knows about it.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:43 pm
by DLFREEBIRD
more and more victims are coming forward. It went from a handful to sixteen in the United States, and now UK victims are coming forward and saying Prince Andrew was present. I knew it had to be more.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... xwell.html


Oh, Maxwell has been sent to a federal prison in NY

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:50 pm
by BN747
NIKV69 wrote:
BN747 wrote:


Good point...but knowing the Hollywood crowd as I do, I'd place may wage on Hollywood has their own Epstein procurer of pedo action. Their closest Epstein player known to date was Heidi Fleiss and she was 'outed' via a complaint she was not as flamboyant (look at me, snapping photos) as Epstein was. Who ever is supplying the pedos out here ..learned from Heidi's exposure to burrow deep deep underground with super security 'lookout' apparatus in place. Epstein blows up and they certainly went into deep cover..but I bet anything the only thing that has slowed them up has Covid.

But I have no doubt some brazen types who think 'I'm friends with Bill & trump' so if they can't get 'got' neither can I. trump does have a mansion here.

I'm certain the Epstein scare had an impact on some (those connected to Epstein) and I'm sure many are on the' look out' ..but not many, the Corey Haim/Corey Feldman episode is still bring the heat.

Purveyors in this trade are global, particularly in circles of constant extreme decadance, like Dubai, here, NYC, Miami, London, Paris, etc.

BN747


With anybody like Epstein there has to be grooming. We saw it here and we saw it with Penn State football. I don't how it goes so long when everyone knows about it.


Because the 'enforcers' against such crime..have been hamstrung by their bosses are overlorded by political power in NY state in particular.

When Guiliani was the kick ass 'rule of law' AG that took down the Genovese Family, Gotti etc..he could have taken down Epstein as well, Epstein was no hidden well kept secret in NY..but he continued to soar unscathed. Doing all his deeds with seemingly invincibility vs law enforcement.

BN747

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:01 pm
by Ken777
:vomit: The big issue will be "who is in the best video's?" Trump is obviously a potential star - even if he is a fat slob. Next in lime would be Pence, only because eh presents as a Goodie Two Shoes.

Generally speaking, who rally wants to see an old, fat man having sex. Give me a break. There needs to be something really news worthy, like the President or Vice President, Of the AG -but he is really too old and too fat so he would be too gross. :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

I really feel sorry for all the junior FBI agents who have to look through the videos.

Re: Epstein Madam Arrested

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:16 pm
by BN747
Ken777 wrote:
:vomit: The big issue will be "who is in the best video's?" Trump is obviously a potential star - even if he is a fat slob. Next in lime would be Pence, only because eh presents as a Goodie Two Shoes.

Generally speaking, who rally wants to see an old, fat man having sex. Give me a break. There needs to be something really news worthy, like the President or Vice President, Of the AG -but he is really too old and too fat so he would be too gross. :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

I really feel sorry for all the junior FBI agents who have to look through the videos.


Umm Ken, I think this is flying above 'dershowitz (really eeeewww factor), trump, Clinton, Guiliani, 'out grossing contests' et al but most people are looking for cracks in the power structure going all out and to extreme lengths to protect themselves from exposure. See Royal Family...

BN747