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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:04 am

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Kiwirob wrote:
Tugger wrote:
So is that right or is that wrong?

If it is wrong then you support working in a coordinated fashion to stop the Chinese from doing the same in other nations waters (as well as supporting efforts to curtail over fishing and illegal fishing by European elements in African waters etc.)

If you are fine with it then you cannot make the argument against the Europeans fishing in African nation's waters as well as Pacific and Indian waters.

So which is it?

Tugg


where do I start, I think it's ridiculous that European trawlers are exploiting fishing resources in the Pacific and Indian Oceans but it's not so ridiculous for a Pacific Rim country China to fish in the Pacific Ocean, I would think it's ridiculous if Chinese trawlers where fishing in the North or South Atlantic.

Chinese trawlers do fish in North or South Atlantic in large quantities, sometimes even violating the territorial water right of Latin American or African countries and causing those countries to attack thosr ships to retaliate.

Ecuador fishery resources threatened by a fleet of 260 Chinese vessels — MercoPress: https://en.mercopress.com/2020/07/30/ec ... se-vessels
Argentine patrol arrests Chinese jigger illegally fishing in the county's EEZ — MercoPress: https://en.mercopress.com/2020/05/05/ar ... unty-s-eez
Argentina's EEZ "flooded" by Chinese jiggers catching tons of squid — MercoPress: https://en.mercopress.com/2020/04/28/ar ... s-of-squid
Nigerian Navy Thwarts Hijacking of Chinese Fishing Vessel: https://www.maritime-executive.com/arti ... ng-attempt
How China's fishermen are impoverishing Africa | The Spectator: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how ... africa/amp
Chinese fishing trawlers fined for being in South African waters - The Hindu: https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 0.ece/amp/
Ghana: 5 Crew Members of Chinese Vessel Remanded for Illegal Fishing - allAfrica.com: https://allafrica.com/stories/202006050410.html
These are all reports only in 2020 about activity of Chinese fishing vessels in Latin America and Africa.

Most of the time their such behavior went unreported because fishing in open ocean is completely legal in international law on ocean, as long as they aren't infringing the 200 nautical miles exclusive economic zone off the coast of the near country (most of the few linked above are the rarer instances when they infringe those waters AND get caught - which many of times they aren't being caught due to the vast size of ocean), and the behavior in reverse, which is to try to extend control beyond 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone or try to deny other countries' claim on their exclusive economic zone by singlesidedly pushing own interpretation on own's economiz zone, are what caused the current dispite in South China Sea and East China Sea.


Also, these chinese fisherman are armed by the CCP and receive training on the weapons use and tactics. Alongside which, many of these fleets of fishing vessels are escorted by chinese coast guard vessels, which are armed and are used to harass any response by a country if/when they intrude upon territorial waters. Ramming, firing of weapons and general intimidation until the withdrawal of any threat to the fishing fleet has retreated.
 
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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:31 pm

A surprise move from the US.
The US Embassy in Hanoi, Vietnam uploaded a picture of Vietnam's map.
Noticeably, the Paracel and Spratly Islands were included.
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Seems like the US tries to confirm that the islands belong to Vietnam but not China.

But how about the Philippines, who claims almost of the Spratly Island and being American's allie???????????????????????????
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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:49 am

Antaras wrote:
Seems like the US tries to confirm that the islands belong to Vietnam but not China.

But how about the Philippines, who claims almost of the Spratly Island and being American's allie???????????????????????????
It's called realpolitik. Vietnam has a bigger military and will be more important in helping to contain Chinese expansionism. Also, Duterte's actions make the Philippines not the ally that they once were.
 
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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:45 pm

France, Germany, and the UK has joined the party:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/09/17 ... te-verbale
France, Germany, and the United Kingdom filed a joint note verbale with the United Nations in New York, rejecting China’s sweeping claims over the South China Sea.

In a note verbale dated Sept. 16, the three nations said that “historic rights” over the South China Sea waters “do not comply” with international law and provisions of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

They invoked the 2016 arbitral award won by the Philippines against China, which issued the same ruling.

“France, Germany and the United Kingdom also highlight that claims with regard to the exercise of “historic rights” over the South China Sea waters do not comply with international law and UNCLOS provisions and recall that the arbitral award in the Philippines v. China case dating to 12 July 2016 clearly confirms this point,” the joint note verbale stated.
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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:34 am

Here we are back to the party.
Chinese Coast Guard is surrounding Vietnamese Oil-shores platforms again:
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https://www.facebook.com/daisukybiendon ... 9716584029
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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:24 pm

Antaras wrote:
A surprise move from the US.
The US Embassy in Hanoi, Vietnam uploaded a picture of Vietnam's map.
Noticeably, the Paracel and Spratly Islands were included.
Image
Seems like the US tries to confirm that the islands belong to Vietnam but not China.

But how about the Philippines, who claims almost of the Spratly Island and being American's allie???????????????????????????


The Philippines has fallen into the Chinese hand. Vietnam on the other hand, have a strong economic reliance and future growth on western market. They are trying to be the mini-China for some time now.
On top of that, China has been pushing on Vietnam's territory for some time now. Not only that, the Chinese Communist Party try to control Vietnam policy using economic embargo for sometime now.

China's biggest problem is the fact that nobody could import and sell much to the closed off Chinese market. Meanwhile The EU and the US have a more relaxed economic policy regarding import compared to China. Which mean that countries are more willing to work for the US and the EU because they get direct line of economic benefits. China's only power is to pumping billions of dollars into investment in foreign country that doesn't actually stimulate their economic growth in the long term. But it doesn't really work as well.
 
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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:13 am

VN just released a new picture that showed the Vietnam Coast Guard and the Vietnam Fisheries Resources Surveillance boats protecting oil drill Hakuryu-5 placed in Unit 06.1 Nam Côn Sơn, the overlap area between Vietnam's EEZ and PRC's 9-dash line.
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In the picture, we can see exactly one Chinese CG vessel (orange frame) being surrounded by a thick matrix of Vietnamese CG and FRS vessels, showing that Vietnam tried its best to protect its business in the area.
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Re: Dramas on South China Sea (China PR vs Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Taiwan ft the USA)

Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:11 pm

Reports mentioned that Vietnam has installed many defensive rocket systems on its controlled islands in the Spratly archipelago.
One of those defensive installations is believed as the Israelis EXTRA (EXTended Range Artillery) artillery rocket system, some new toys acquired by Vietnam shortly ago.
Theoretically, the systems' range can cover most Spratly archipelago islands, including objects controlled by China PR, Taiwan RoC, Phillippines, and Malaysia.
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