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Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:46 pm

As long as I can remember, Portland, OR haa been in the news in negative ways. Always something wrong happening over there. And lately, it’s even worse.
So, what’s the problem with Portland?
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:05 am

Keep portland weird
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:06 am

(I should be clear, do not, however, arrest and kidnap citizens at random like Putin and the CCP do)
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:07 am

Umm...it is Portland and it had been weird since...well, forever?

More seriously, I will take Portland over many cities in US. Violent crimes are relatively low (it is far from Baltimore/Detroit/South Side Chicago), good food and vibes, cost of living lower than Seattle or SF. It does have a homeless problem, but they are nowhere as aggressive as the one in SF. Economy in the metro area is not bad, either.
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:38 am

violence sells. Even if that violence happens for an hour or two a day in a very VERY small area. It gives days of fodder for certain media outlets to froth at the mouth about how "the left" and "liberal" and "democrat" and this and that are the worst. Put it in perspective. These proactive arrests and smashing skulls in with munitions and graffiti are only in like five or six blocks downtown. Not all of Portland. Felony Flats and Parkrose and Vanport are still as "colorful" as always. No one even cared outside Portland about those neighborhoods being dens of crime. No one still does. But, the "proative arrests" and protests happening at the federal courthouse, the whole world knows....
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:39 am

Dieuwer wrote:
As long as I can remember, Portland, OR haa been in the news in negative ways. Always something wrong happening over there. And lately, it’s even worse.
So, what’s the problem with Portland?


The problem with Portland is that it has a strange penchant for attracting political extremists from the left and from the right. For years both sides have been going at it in the streets. The problem with Portland now is that a leftist city administration has allowed fringe leftists to literally take over much of the city without consequence, forcing the feds to step in to maintain law and order.
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:45 am

They are the second city of the Northwest. They are trying to outdo Seattle.
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:49 am

N583JB wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
As long as I can remember, Portland, OR haa been in the news in negative ways. Always something wrong happening over there. And lately, it’s even worse.
So, what’s the problem with Portland?


The problem with Portland is that it has a strange penchant for attracting political extremists from the left and from the right. For years both sides have been going at it in the streets. The problem with Portland now is that a leftist city administration has allowed fringe leftists to literally take over much of the city without consequence, forcing the feds to step in to maintain law and order.


Not really. "both sides" have not been "going at it in the streets" but, rather, one side comes in and the other side decides to have their voice heard. Nothing wrong with that. I lived there for years and years and had zero problems with protests. As far as "leftist city administration" many in the city administration are trying very hard to take apart decades of work because "that's not how we did it in (fill in out of state city here)". Look at the hatred of Tri-Met and the hatred of how "small" the freeways are and how there are not enough police and "it's scary to go downtown" literally any day of the year.

Maybe the federal "we proactively arrest people" police need to understand that people protest. People hold signs as is their right. World Nakes Bike Ride happens to protest climate change. Just like people in Oklahoma City do not ds any of that against the current administration. Even under Obama, federal troops were not deployed to "violent" protests against Obama.

Sorry to go off on a tangent but I feel it is a point of pride.
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:52 am

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They are the second city of the Northwest. They are trying to outdo Seattle.


That has been the only thing that I hate about Portland. They always feel they are in competition with Seattle. They looked at getting a football team and a baseball team and an aquarium and an observation tower and water taxi and monorail to the ski area everything Seattle has. Portland has more strip clubs and fewer public transit vehicles used as bathrooms, so there is that ;)
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:06 am

I noticed the neighborhoods weren't that terribly different in appearance, but it seemed each one was its own little cohesive unit, with attractive landscaping, artisanal grocery store and XXX arcade. It was a bit odd.

I went to the Eagle, walked in and 4 completely naked guys were playing pool watching very “niche”porn on the TVs.

Then I walked out back...
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:21 am

Portland is a wonderland. Easily the best city on Earth.
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:05 am

Where was all this pepper spraying and undercover abductions for the people who were illegally occupying the bird sanctuary?
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:55 am

The Governor of OR shroud have called out a small number of National Guard troops to patrol downtown Portland back in May to end the destruction of private and public property. If the Governor did that, the anarchistic activities would have ended weeks ago and President Trump, would have not be sending out his 'law and order' crackdown DHS police beyond protecting Federal property (office building, Federal court house) to boost his re-election and that of other Republicans with White voters.

President Trump is also ordering for at least on standby, DHS police to go into Chicago to end the gun death and injury carnage taking place mainly in non-White neighborhoods of the Democratic Party politically controlled city (as is Portland) also to boost his re-election with White voters. He showed his hand with his infamous church appearance weeks ago in DC and despite its serious Constitutional issues is intentions to win re-election by any means necessary.
 
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Where was all this pepper spraying and undercover abductions for the people who were illegally occupying the bird sanctuary?

Don’t be ridiculous! Those [white] welfare queen leeches were patriots!

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The Governor of OR shroud have called out a small number of National Guard troops to patrol downtown Portland back in May to end the destruction of private and public property. If the Governor did that, the anarchistic activities would have ended weeks ago and President Trump, would have not be sending out his 'law and order' crackdown DHS police beyond protecting Federal property (office building, Federal court house) to boost his re-election and that of other Republicans with White voters.

President Trump is also ordering for at least on standby, DHS police to go into Chicago to end the gun death and injury carnage taking place mainly in non-White neighborhoods of the Democratic Party politically controlled city (as is Portland) also to boost his re-election with White voters. He showed his hand with his infamous church appearance weeks ago in DC and despite its serious Constitutional issues is intentions to win re-election by any means necessary.

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Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:37 am

ltbewr wrote:
The Governor of OR shroud have called out a small number of National Guard troops to patrol downtown Portland back in May to end the destruction of private and public property. If the Governor did that, the anarchistic activities would have ended weeks ago and President Trump, would have not be sending out his 'law and order' crackdown DHS police beyond protecting Federal property (office building, Federal court house) to boost his re-election and that of other Republicans with White voters.


She did

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2020/0 ... -protests/

And we still have federal secret police kidnapping Americans off the streets for doing just what you wanted our governor to do.....

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President Trump is also ordering for at least on standby, DHS police to go into Chicago to end the gun death and injury carnage taking place mainly in non-White neighborhoods of the Democratic Party politically controlled city (as is Portland) also to boost his re-election with White voters. He showed his hand with his infamous church appearance weeks ago in DC and despite its serious Constitutional issues is intentions to win re-election by any means necessary.


And all the weapons being stockpiled across the country?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... arm-sales/

Go read up on gun laws in Illinois. I know Chicago is not Illinois for MAGA fans but for the rest of us, Chicago falls under Illinois law. So, why does king MAGA want to infringe on residents of Illinois and their Second Amendment rights? Why are the people of Illinois willing to stand for this infringement of Second Amendment rights?
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:41 am

johnboy wrote:
I noticed the neighborhoods weren't that terribly different in appearance, but it seemed each one was its own little cohesive unit, with attractive landscaping, artisanal grocery store and XXX arcade. It was a bit odd.

I went to the Eagle, walked in and 4 completely naked guys were playing pool watching very “niche”porn on the TVs.

Then I walked out back...


The last neighborhood I lived in before I met the brosband had an "adult" bookstore, a nudie bar (great white Russians served by the buchest, sweetest of lesbians), a working cathouse and one of the largest Muslim communities in Oregon. All in walking distance.

Good times.

I am curious, though, which Eagle was that? The one downtown has fond memories for us.
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:53 am

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And all the weapons being stockpiled across the country?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... arm-sales/

I work in a large gunshop/range in the DTW area. We normally sell 4-5000 guns a year. This year, we may sell 10,000. What is unusual is that most of them will be to first time buyers. What's even more unusual, is that most of them seem to be to people you would think of as Democratic Party voters. I see a "BLM" or "I Can't Breathe" t-shirt at least once or twice almost every day I work. We have to show people the door every day because they have the odor of "herb" on them. Many don't understand that, although marijuana is legal in Michigan, gun dealers are federally licensed and must obey federal laws, where it is not.
 
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And all the weapons being stockpiled across the country?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... arm-sales/

I work in a large gunshop/range in the DTW area. We normally sell 4-5000 guns a year. This year, we may sell 10,000. What is unusual is that most of them will be to first time buyers. What's even more unusual, is that most of them seem to be to people you would think of as Democratic Party voters. I see a "BLM" or "I Can't Breathe" t-shirt at least once or twice almost every day I work. We have to show people the door every day because they have the odor of "herb" on them. Many don't understand that, although marijuana is legal in Michigan, gun dealers are federally licensed and must obey federal laws, where it is not.


There are also "private sales" right? Also, why are you passing judgement on people? I probably smell of the weed because the brosband smokes it. I am around it every day, so I don't notice it.
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And all the weapons being stockpiled across the country?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... arm-sales/

I work in a large gunshop/range in the DTW area. We normally sell 4-5000 guns a year. This year, we may sell 10,000. What is unusual is that most of them will be to first time buyers. What's even more unusual, is that most of them seem to be to people you would think of as Democratic Party voters. I see a "BLM" or "I Can't Breathe" t-shirt at least once or twice almost every day I work. We have to show people the door every day because they have the odor of "herb" on them. Many don't understand that, although marijuana is legal in Michigan, gun dealers are federally licensed and must obey federal laws, where it is not.


So basically Trump is inciting a civil war. Great.
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Portland Mayor Photo Op Backfires Horribly as Antifa/BLM Attack Him! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuXRfG_KT3o
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seb146 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

And all the weapons being stockpiled across the country?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... arm-sales/

I work in a large gunshop/range in the DTW area. We normally sell 4-5000 guns a year. This year, we may sell 10,000. What is unusual is that most of them will be to first time buyers. What's even more unusual, is that most of them seem to be to people you would think of as Democratic Party voters. I see a "BLM" or "I Can't Breathe" t-shirt at least once or twice almost every day I work. We have to show people the door every day because they have the odor of "herb" on them. Many don't understand that, although marijuana is legal in Michigan, gun dealers are federally licensed and must obey federal laws, where it is not.


There are also "private sales" right? Also, why are you passing judgement on people? I probably smell of the weed because the brosband smokes it. I am around it every day, so I don't notice it.
Private handgun sales in Michigan require a background check. How am I passing judgement on people? I'm just following the law, just like I wouldn't sell to a person who smells of alcohol. I would think an antigunner like yourself would agree that you shouldn't sell firearms to people who are under the influence.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:33 pm

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I would think an antigunner like yourself


Passing judgement.

Just because I want to see fewer mass shootings and more accountability does not mean I am "antigunner". I say this every single time there is any comment about guns violence. Apparently it falls on deaf ears.

And, again, just because someone "smells like weed" does not mean they smoke anything at all. I get the "smelling like alcohol." That is pretty easy to get. I am pretty sure I smell like weed and tobacco because the brosband smokes both. Passing judgement.

I am glad you err on the side of caution selling guns but just know that not everyone who smells like weed smokes.
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Portland Mayor Photo Op Backfires Horribly as Antifa/BLM Attack Him! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuXRfG_KT3o


When did "antifa" (short for anti fascist) get tear gas canisters and rubber bullets and then there are the BLM surrounding him but don't let facts get in the way.......
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johns624 wrote:
I would think an antigunner like yourself


Passing judgement.

Just because I want to see fewer mass shootings and more accountability does not mean I am "antigunner". I say this every single time there is any comment about guns violence. Apparently it falls on deaf ears.

And, again, just because someone "smells like weed" does not mean they smoke anything at all. I get the "smelling like alcohol." That is pretty easy to get. I am pretty sure I smell like weed and tobacco because the brosband smokes both. Passing judgement.

I am glad you err on the side of caution selling guns but just know that not everyone who smells like weed smokes.

1. I've debated you often enough over the years to know you are an antigunner. Way back when you tried to say that you always saw people carrying guns in public in San Francisco.
2. You obviously don't know the federal laws on marijuana. I'm 60 years old and grew up in Detroit. I know when someone's been smoking weed. We've never had an argument from someone who we refused to sell a gun to other than them claiming it was legal in Michigan. They never deny being smokers. If you want to commit a federal felony, go for it. I don't, and won't.
 
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:35 am

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seb146 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I would think an antigunner like yourself


Passing judgement.

Just because I want to see fewer mass shootings and more accountability does not mean I am "antigunner". I say this every single time there is any comment about guns violence. Apparently it falls on deaf ears.

And, again, just because someone "smells like weed" does not mean they smoke anything at all. I get the "smelling like alcohol." That is pretty easy to get. I am pretty sure I smell like weed and tobacco because the brosband smokes both. Passing judgement.

I am glad you err on the side of caution selling guns but just know that not everyone who smells like weed smokes.

1. I've debated you often enough over the years to know you are an antigunner. Way back when you tried to say that you always saw people carrying guns in public in San Francisco.
2. You obviously don't know the federal laws on marijuana. I'm 60 years old and grew up in Detroit. I know when someone's been smoking weed. We've never had an argument from someone who we refused to sell a gun to other than them claiming it was legal in Michigan. They never deny being smokers. If you want to commit a federal felony, go for it. I don't, and won't.


1. Yes, people open carry in SF. Just like they do in STL and DFW and MIA and Main Street Kansas. So? How does that prove anything?
2. I agreed with you on your marijuana point. I was also trying to point out that there are many reasons other than they toked up before going in as to why they smell like weed.

We are just splitting hairs at this point.....
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Video Allegedly Shows Antifa Stab A Conservative, 18 Charged In Portland Riots, Today Will be WORSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYS_fjHsyw
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Video Allegedly Shows Antifa Stab A Conservative, 18 Charged In Portland Riots, Today Will be WORSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYS_fjHsyw

Random guy squawking on youtube is evidence of what? Even Cuccinelli and Wolf's gestapo come up with nothing:

https://twitter.com/HomelandKen/status/ ... 80/photo/1

They didn't even bother to throw in a moose lamb prayer rug like they did on the border. :roll:
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Civil rights leaders are criticizing the Portland protests- saying that they are now a “white spectacle” and have lost focus.
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Video Allegedly Shows Antifa Stab A Conservative, 18 Charged In Portland Riots, Today Will be WORSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYS_fjHsyw

Random guy squawking on youtube is evidence of what? Even Cuccinelli and Wolf's gestapo come up with nothing:

https://twitter.com/HomelandKen/status/ ... 80/photo/1

They didn't even bother to throw in a moose lamb prayer rug like they did on the border. :roll:


You couldn;'t be more wrong. But there you go...defending a convicted pedophile and attempted murderer.
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ltbewr wrote:
The Governor of OR shroud have called out a small number of National Guard troops to patrol downtown Portland back in May to end the destruction of private and public property. If the Governor did that, the anarchistic activities would have ended weeks ago and President Trump, would have not be sending out his 'law and order' crackdown DHS police beyond protecting Federal property (office building, Federal court house) to boost his re-election and that of other Republicans with White voters.

President Trump is also ordering for at least on standby, DHS police to go into Chicago to end the gun death and injury carnage taking place mainly in non-White neighborhoods of the Democratic Party politically controlled city (as is Portland) also to boost his re-election with White voters. He showed his hand with his infamous church appearance weeks ago in DC and despite its serious Constitutional issues is intentions to win re-election by any means necessary.


"Democrat controlled city"

You mean like just about every major city with the exception of Phoenix? Strange how educated people end up in cities and voting for liberal politicians. I'll leave it up to you to deduce the intent of that last sentence.
 
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cairns wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
TSS wrote:
Video Allegedly Shows Antifa Stab A Conservative, 18 Charged In Portland Riots, Today Will be WORSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYS_fjHsyw

Random guy squawking on youtube is evidence of what? Even Cuccinelli and Wolf's gestapo come up with nothing:

https://twitter.com/HomelandKen/status/ ... 80/photo/1

They didn't even bother to throw in a moose lamb prayer rug like they did on the border. :roll:


You couldn;'t be more wrong. But there you go...defending a convicted pedophile and attempted murderer.
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The Governor of OR shroud have called out a small number of National Guard troops to patrol downtown Portland back in May to end the destruction of private and public property. If the Governor did that, the anarchistic activities would have ended weeks ago and President Trump, would have not be sending out his 'law and order' crackdown DHS police beyond protecting Federal property (office building, Federal court house) to boost his re-election and that of other Republicans with White voters.

President Trump is also ordering for at least on standby, DHS police to go into Chicago to end the gun death and injury carnage taking place mainly in non-White neighborhoods of the Democratic Party politically controlled city (as is Portland) also to boost his re-election with White voters. He showed his hand with his infamous church appearance weeks ago in DC and despite its serious Constitutional issues is intentions to win re-election by any means necessary.


"Democrat controlled city"

You mean like just about every major city with the exception of Phoenix? Strange how educated people end up in cities and voting for liberal politicians. I'll leave it up to you to deduce the intent of that last sentence.

Just waiting for the bible belt sh!t hole economic miracle to take off. Any day now. One day like a miracle it'll just....not be a welfare queen leech on federal taxes.
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Someone thinks Democratic controlled cities are full of educated citizens.....while they certainly have their share they also contain a large number of the uneducated, poor and ignorant. Those citizens overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The well educated and wealthy are leaving in droves.
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Someone thinks Democratic controlled cities are full of educated citizens.....while they certainly have their share they also contain a large number of the uneducated, poor and ignorant. Those citizens overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

Oof. I think you're late for your cross burning.
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I'm neither religious or prejudiced. But you certainly are the latter. Still trying to deny that a pedo attempted to kill a black man at a BLM riot?
 
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cairns wrote:
Someone thinks Democratic controlled cities are full of educated citizens.....while they certainly have their share they also contain a large number of the uneducated, poor and ignorant. Those citizens overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The well educated and wealthy are leaving in droves.


Yup. This is the key and largest democratic voting demographic in the large cities....the urban poor.
 
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1. Yes, people open carry in SF. Just like they do in STL and DFW and MIA and Main Street Kansas. So? How does that prove anything?



Open carry is not permitted in Florida.
 
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seb146 wrote:
1. Yes, people open carry in SF. Just like they do in STL and DFW and MIA and Main Street Kansas. So? How does that prove anything?



Open carry is not permitted in Florida.


And, yet, people do. Just like people drive drunk and violate restraining orders.

The point is: all these gun toting thugs in Portland are unmarked military wannabes. Not "violent liberals" like the right wing media demands everyone believe. The MAGA king has turned this unmarked military on his own citizens. I will give him credit for this: he never ever takes responsibility for anything he and his administration actually does

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1. Yes, people open carry in SF. Just like they do in STL and DFW and MIA and Main Street Kansas. So? How does that prove anything?



Open carry is not permitted in Florida.


And, yet, people do. Just like people drive drunk and violate restraining orders.

The point is: all these gun toting thugs in Portland are unmarked military wannabes. Not "violent liberals" like the right wing media demands everyone believe. The MAGA king has turned this unmarked military on his own citizens. I will give him credit for this: he never ever takes responsibility for anything he and his administration actually does

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-2020-adv ... eo-1519900


So, almost 60 days of rioting is all Trump’s fault and removing Federal officers would bring peace? Got it.
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:14 pm

seb146 wrote:
extender wrote:
seb146 wrote:
1. Yes, people open carry in SF. Just like they do in STL and DFW and MIA and Main Street Kansas. So? How does that prove anything?



Open carry is not permitted in Florida.


And, yet, people do. Just like people drive drunk and violate restraining orders.


No, they don't. People do drive drunk, and they do violate restraining orders like everywhere else in the world. But open carry in FL will get you the attention that will get you in trouble.

seb146 wrote:
The point is: all these gun toting thugs in Portland are unmarked military wannabes. Not "violent liberals" like the right wing media demands everyone believe. The MAGA king has turned this unmarked military on his own citizens.


So the real hooligans, get a pass,because they aren't thugs, right? Shining lasers to cause damage to LEO eyes is ok in your book too... These aren't peaceful protestors, they are decked out for contact sports. If the governor had any balls, he'd call the National Guard out and impose a curfew. Anyone breaking it gets locked up.
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:15 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
seb146 wrote:
extender wrote:

Open carry is not permitted in Florida.


And, yet, people do. Just like people drive drunk and violate restraining orders.

The point is: all these gun toting thugs in Portland are unmarked military wannabes. Not "violent liberals" like the right wing media demands everyone believe. The MAGA king has turned this unmarked military on his own citizens. I will give him credit for this: he never ever takes responsibility for anything he and his administration actually does

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-2020-adv ... eo-1519900


So, almost 60 days of rioting is all Trump’s fault and removing Federal officers would bring peace? Got it.


Yes. The protests were shrinking, leaving only the violent ones. This continued to be a headline issue on right wing media for some reason. To strike fear into the hearts of right wingers, the campaign went so far as to lie and use images of Ukraine protests and pass them off as Portland. Then your man decided to turn troops on Americans because the echo chamber decided this was supposed to be a threat somehow. Protests grew again. Not just in Portland but across the country.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... sts-2020-7

And should we talk about "proactive arrests" being carried out by ACTING DHS director Chad Wolf? He is proud of detaining American citizens for no reason at all. Unmarked "soldiers" throwing protesters in unmarked vans and taking them away. Whether they had done anything or not. And Republicans support this.
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:17 pm

Seeing what's going on on these Democrat controlled cities where the local leaders are willingly allowing riots and destruction occur, it seems to me that the game plan on the Democrat party is make the voters believe that if they vote Trump out the rioting will stop. Which is kind of political terrorism or political extortion to say the least. In all honesty there is no guarantee they can control their own mob even when Biden wins.

They have a candidate that is basically dead, doesn't campaign doesn't get asked the tough questions, and is just waiting to take the oath of office in January 2021, without not even doing the minimal amount of work to earn any votes. His process of choosing a VP candidate shows exactly how his presidency will be, a constant struggle between the fringes and him without any real power over his preference.

What's going on in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, etc is a disgusting and horrific way of obtaining power, literally you had the Bolsheviks come to power in a similar but of course lighter way.
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:22 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Seeing what's going on on these Democrat controlled cities where the local leaders are willingly allowing riots and destruction occur, it seems to me that the game plan on the Democrat party is make the voters believe that if they vote Trump out the rioting will stop. Which is kind of political terrorism or political extortion to say the least. In all honesty there is no guarantee they can control their own mob even when Biden wins.

They have a candidate that is basically dead, doesn't campaign doesn't get asked the tough questions, and is just waiting to take the oath of office in January 2021, without not even doing the minimal amount of work to earn any votes. His process of choosing a VP candidate shows exactly how his presidency will be, a constant struggle between the fringes and him without any real power over his preference.

What's going on in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, etc is a disgusting and horrific way of obtaining power, literally you had the Bolsheviks come to power in a similar but of course lighter way.


Really? peaceful protests and you are calling out Bolsheviks? There is nothing going on but Trump lies to drum up support from his ignorant and racist base.
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Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:24 pm

Three federal officers may be permanently blind because of lasers pointed into their eyes by protestors.
https://www.policeone.com/federal-law-e ... hVvvFovc5/

For all of our political differences, I am sure we can all agree that use of lasers with the intent of causing eye damage should be strongly condemned.
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:26 pm

More troubling news for Portland. A bag containing loaded rifle magazines and Molotov cocktails was found at a park near where protests have erupted.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/arr ... e-72002545
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:31 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
Three federal officers may be permanently blind because of lasers pointed into their eyes by protestors.
https://www.policeone.com/federal-law-e ... hVvvFovc5/

For all of our political differences, I am sure we can all agree that use of lasers with the intent of causing eye damage should be strongly condemned.


Now, now... those protestors were peacefully aiming lasers at the eyes of federal officers. Besides, the officers were clearly asking for it by daring to look at the protestors. Just because a group of protestors is surrounding a federal building, brandishing signs and chanting slogans DOES NOT give anyone the right to look in the direction of those protestors! :roll: :shakehead:

VTKillarney wrote:
More troubling news for Portland. A bag containing loaded rifle magazines and Molotov cocktails was found at a park near where protests have erupted.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/arr ... e-72002545


What should be even more troubling for the "Pay no attention to the rioting, looting, and arson, these are just peaceful protests!" crowd is that this incident was reported on a mainstream news channel and not swept under the rug or downplayed as so much else has been, meaning that the "Get away with wanton mayhem free" card that protestors have been playing for the past couple of months might be just about to expire.
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:51 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
Three federal officers may be permanently blind because of lasers pointed into their eyes by protestors.
https://www.policeone.com/federal-law-e ... hVvvFovc5/

For all of our political differences, I am sure we can all agree that use of lasers with the intent of causing eye damage should be strongly condemned.

Don't recall you giving a toss when they blinded protesters left and right:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... rc404=true

casinterest wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Seeing what's going on on these Democrat controlled cities where the local leaders are willingly allowing riots and destruction occur, it seems to me that the game plan on the Democrat party is make the voters believe that if they vote Trump out the rioting will stop. Which is kind of political terrorism or political extortion to say the least. In all honesty there is no guarantee they can control their own mob even when Biden wins.

They have a candidate that is basically dead, doesn't campaign doesn't get asked the tough questions, and is just waiting to take the oath of office in January 2021, without not even doing the minimal amount of work to earn any votes. His process of choosing a VP candidate shows exactly how his presidency will be, a constant struggle between the fringes and him without any real power over his preference.

What's going on in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, etc is a disgusting and horrific way of obtaining power, literally you had the Bolsheviks come to power in a similar but of course lighter way.


Really? peaceful protests and you are calling out Bolsheviks? There is nothing going on but Trump lies to drum up support from his ignorant and racist base.

Every protest ever by anyone has been called "communist" by the right, whether it was civil rights protesters, LGBT protests, climate change protests--you name it.
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Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:58 pm

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Don't recall you giving a toss when they blinded protesters left and right:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... rc404=true


I am not sure what your point is. This thread is about Portland. Are you suggesting that, because of something that happened 3,000 miles away, it is okay for Portland protesters to use high powered lasers with the specific intent of damaging officers' eyes? If you are, that's an extremely radical point of view and is certainly not something I agree with.
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:07 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Don't recall you giving a toss when they blinded protesters left and right:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... rc404=true


I am not sure what your point is. This thread is about Portland. Are you suggesting that, because of something that happened 3,000 miles away, it is okay for Portland protesters to use high powered lasers with the specific intent of damaging officers' eyes? If you are, that's an extremely radical point of view and is certainly not something I agree with.

It means your selective outrage, as per usual, is as they say, fake news.
VTKillarney wrote:
More troubling news for Portland. A bag containing loaded rifle magazines and Molotov cocktails was found at a park near where protests have erupted.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/arr ... e-72002545

Ooooh is this like the piles of bricks left everywhere by Soros backed antifa anarco communist fascists that all turned out to be...bricks for pre existing construction?

Look at that "molotov cocktail". I mean *look* at it. It's a towel in an empty mason jar. What would that even do?
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:18 pm

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It means your selective outrage, as per usual, is as they say, fake news.

I’m not sure what your point is. Let’s focus on Portland, since that is the subject of this thread. Don’t you agree that the protesters should not be trying to damage officers’ eyes with lasers? I assumed that there would be agreement about this, but I am getting the sense that I may have been wrong. If you feel otherwise, I’m happy to hear why.
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:55 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
It means your selective outrage, as per usual, is as they say, fake news.

I’m not sure what your point is. Let’s focus on Portland, since that is the subject of this thread. Don’t you agree that the protesters should not be trying to damage officers’ eyes with lasers? I assumed that there would be agreement about this, but I am getting the sense that I may have been wrong. If you feel otherwise, I’m happy to hear why.


Lasers? Links please.

These fatigue dressed, heavily armed mercenaries have every right to just drag anyone they want into unmarked vans and spirit them away? I still do not see anyone on the right saying how bad this is. Just lumping everyone together with the few bad apples. Why does that sound so familiar?
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