Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 11587
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:45 pm

Ahh Look. Portland is quiet and the Untrained Domestically Federal Officers are gone.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/202 ... spond.html

Clashes between police and protesters were absent Friday from downtown Portland for the second straight night, a sharp contrast to recent weeks that saw federal officers gas crowds nightly.
Where ever you go, there you are.
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:38 pm

An credible argument can be made that Trump brought peace to Portland. As I’ve mentioned earlier, Trump’s introduction of federal police deflected all of the anger and violence from the local police to the feds. The feds were eventually able to step aside, taking the wind out of the anarchists’ sails. The local authorities are no longer the target and peace resumed.
 
User avatar
Aaron747
Posts: 12347
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:07 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:22 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
An credible argument can be made that Trump brought peace to Portland. As I’ve mentioned earlier, Trump’s introduction of federal police deflected all of the anger and violence from the local police to the feds. The feds were eventually able to step aside, taking the wind out of the anarchists’ sails. The local authorities are no longer the target and peace resumed.


Someday this post will be framed and displayed in classrooms across the land for the ‘Mental Gymnastics 101’ course. :lol:
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 11587
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:40 am

VTKillarney wrote:
An credible argument can be made that Trump brought peace to Portland. As I’ve mentioned earlier, Trump’s introduction of federal police deflected all of the anger and violence from the local police to the feds. The feds were eventually able to step aside, taking the wind out of the anarchists’ sails. The local authorities are no longer the target and peace resumed.



There is no Credible argument for what Trump did unless you don't believe in the constitution.
Where ever you go, there you are.
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:55 am

VTKillarney wrote:
An credible argument can be made that Trump brought peace to Portland. As I’ve mentioned earlier, Trump’s introduction of federal police deflected all of the anger and violence from the local police to the feds. The feds were eventually able to step aside, taking the wind out of the anarchists’ sails. The local authorities are no longer the target and peace resumed.


Peace resumed after the secret police left. When the secret police showed up, everything got worse. We have always been at war with East Asia.
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
ltbewr
Posts: 15209
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:13 am

Eventually, the violent attacks like on Federal facilities in downtown Portland as well as the peaceful protests will end. Already the BLM/anti-Racism protests have largely disappeared with some incremental goals reached. The violent 'anarchists', persons vandalizing and tearing down statues, destroying public and private property have scared off many from continuing protests and hardened politicians to effecting major changes. Also affecting the protests is that became unfocused, took on too many issues or just annoyed too many. That is part of what killed of the 'Occupy Wall Street' protests.
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:31 pm

Has anyone done any looking into where these protests actually take place? The right wing media wants everyone to believe the entire city is under siege 24/7. However, these protests take place in a very, very small area downtown. Like four to six blocks small. And they mostly take place after anyone who needs to be there leaves. Plus, with the covid, not much is open anyway. Outside that four to six block area, there has only been one protest in North Portland, which is majority Black.

Also, the "violent rioters" are the ones with no guns, no shields, no military grade cammo, no tear gas canisters, no breathing apparatus, no uparmored vehicles. The "violent rioters" are the ones with hockey sticks, bandannas, and cardboard signs.
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
Okie
Posts: 4146
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:30 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:45 pm

Thank goodness things are quieting down.

Only 150 gun shots fired last night in Portland by "mostly peaceful demonstrators".

https://katu.com/news/local/deadliest-m ... hots-fired

Okie
 
User avatar
atcsundevil
Moderator
Posts: 4252
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:22 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:47 pm

Please keep the thread on topic. If the topic continues to drift, it will be locked and users may be warned/banned.

✈️ atcsundevil
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:06 am

seb146 wrote:
Also, the "violent rioters" are the ones with no guns, no shields, no military grade cammo, no tear gas canisters, no breathing apparatus, no uparmored vehicles. The "violent rioters" are the ones with hockey sticks, bandannas, and cardboard signs.

Just one clarification about the Portland protesters so we are factually accurate. They have also used commercial grade mortar fireworks, lasers (to blind), and Molotov cocktails.
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18171
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:53 am

VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Also, the "violent rioters" are the ones with no guns, no shields, no military grade cammo, no tear gas canisters, no breathing apparatus, no uparmored vehicles. The "violent rioters" are the ones with hockey sticks, bandannas, and cardboard signs.

Just one clarification about the Portland protesters so we are factually accurate. They have also used commercial grade mortar fireworks, lasers (to blind), and Molotov cocktails.

Making up stuff is so fun, right? What's a "commercial grade mortar firework"? Besides something that scares gullible conservative old white men... Is it like Mighty Mites Mortar Kit?

https://fireworks.com/products/aerial/r ... -6pc-1-kit
I don't take responsibility at all
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:26 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Also, the "violent rioters" are the ones with no guns, no shields, no military grade cammo, no tear gas canisters, no breathing apparatus, no uparmored vehicles. The "violent rioters" are the ones with hockey sticks, bandannas, and cardboard signs.

Just one clarification about the Portland protesters so we are factually accurate. They have also used commercial grade mortar fireworks, lasers (to blind), and Molotov cocktails.

Making up stuff is so fun, right? What's a "commercial grade mortar firework"? Besides something that scares gullible conservative old white men... Is it like Mighty Mites Mortar Kit?

https://fireworks.com/products/aerial/r ... -6pc-1-kit

Nothing whatsoever has been made up. Official sources describe them as “commercial-grade, mortar-style fireworks.”

See, e.g.: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/30/por ... ut-july-30

The link you provided is for a consumer grade product. That’s not the same thing as what official sources are describing.

So we are careful to be factually accurate in this discussion, this website shows the difference and uses the exact term, “commercial grade” in comparison to “consumer.”: http://www.acepyro.com/Shop
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:42 am

Things are heading in a much better direction, but the most recent report says that a Molotov cocktail was thrown and that there was attempted arson.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/08/02/por ... t-august-2

Hopefully things will continue to improve.
 
jordanh
Posts: 325
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:56 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:40 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
Things are heading in a much better direction, but the most recent report says that a Molotov cocktail was thrown and that there was attempted arson.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/08/02/por ... t-august-2 Hopefully things will continue to improve.


All it took was moving Trump's private army out of the city.
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:32 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Also, the "violent rioters" are the ones with no guns, no shields, no military grade cammo, no tear gas canisters, no breathing apparatus, no uparmored vehicles. The "violent rioters" are the ones with hockey sticks, bandannas, and cardboard signs.

Just one clarification about the Portland protesters so we are factually accurate. They have also used commercial grade mortar fireworks, lasers (to blind), and Molotov cocktails.


You keep going on and on about the lasers. I have asked for proof and all I hear is "rioters used them" and nothing else. And those "Molotov cocktails" were found in a bag with ammunition rounds. Yet no protesters had guns.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogo ... e9d44d6ec9

Also interesting to note that the woman on the right in the headline pic is the violent aggressor while the people on the left are peaceful, according to MAGA.....
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:35 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Just one clarification about the Portland protesters so we are factually accurate. They have also used commercial grade mortar fireworks, lasers (to blind), and Molotov cocktails.

Making up stuff is so fun, right? What's a "commercial grade mortar firework"? Besides something that scares gullible conservative old white men... Is it like Mighty Mites Mortar Kit?

https://fireworks.com/products/aerial/r ... -6pc-1-kit

Nothing whatsoever has been made up. Official sources describe them as “commercial-grade, mortar-style fireworks.”

See, e.g.: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/30/por ... ut-july-30

The link you provided is for a consumer grade product. That’s not the same thing as what official sources are describing.

So we are careful to be factually accurate in this discussion, this website shows the difference and uses the exact term, “commercial grade” in comparison to “consumer.”: http://www.acepyro.com/Shop


A person would have to be registered to obtain that grade of munitions. Like through the federal government. Who just happened to be in Portland.
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
extender
Posts: 646
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:52 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:39 pm

Green lasers used in Portland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvT01HiJNCM
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:13 pm

seb146 wrote:

You keep going on and on about the lasers. I have asked for proof and all I hear is "rioters used them" and nothing else. And those "Molotov cocktails" were found in a bag with ammunition rounds. Yet no protesters had guns.

1) I have never said that “all rioters” use lasers. That is a straw man argument.
2) Source regarding blindness caused by rioters using lasers: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/0 ... and-riots/
There are MANY more sources should you wish to Google them.
3) Molotov cocktails are indeed being used. Many such incidents are outlined here: https://www.dhs.gov/news-releases/press-releases
The use was also described in the link that I gave a couple of posts ago.
Last edited by VTKillarney on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:14 pm

seb146 wrote:
A person would have to be registered to obtain that grade of munitions. Like through the federal government. Who just happened to be in Portland.

Do you have a source for your claim that the government is self-detonating these explosives?
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:21 pm

It’s somewhat ironic that so called Anti-fascists attempted to destroy the federal courthouse in Portland. The judiciary is the branch of government that is most likely to uphold democracy over fascism. It’s certainly evidence that the protesters really just want to hurt people and property and that they don’t have any actual standards.
 
alfa164
Posts: 3613
Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:47 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:49 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
It’s somewhat ironic that so called Anti-fascists attempted to destroy the federal courthouse in Portland. The judiciary is the branch of government that is most likely to uphold democracy over fascism. It’s certainly evidence that the protesters really just want to hurt people and property and that they don’t have any actual standards.


Do you have any evidence to support yet another spurious claim? Maybe you should check before you write:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/21/portland-feds-protests/

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/06/28/26720951/insecure-attention-starved-right-wingers-are-marching-in-portland-saturday-heres-how-to-beat-em


Looks light the right wing zealots are at least as much to blame as your scapedog "antifa"... ignore the facts, tell a lie... and you get caught!


;)
I'm going to have a smokin' hot body again!
I have decided to be cremated....
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:29 pm

alfa164 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
It’s somewhat ironic that so called Anti-fascists attempted to destroy the federal courthouse in Portland. The judiciary is the branch of government that is most likely to uphold democracy over fascism. It’s certainly evidence that the protesters really just want to hurt people and property and that they don’t have any actual standards.


Do you have any evidence to support yet another spurious claim? Maybe you should check before you write:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/21/portland-feds-protests/

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/06/28/26720951/insecure-attention-starved-right-wingers-are-marching-in-portland-saturday-heres-how-to-beat-em


Looks light the right wing zealots are at least as much to blame as your scapedog "antifa"... ignore the facts, tell a lie... and you get caught!


;)

I took the time to read both articles that you cited. Neither one suggests that right wingers are responsible for the attack on the federal courthouse. They attribute other things to right wingers, but not that. Thus, my point about the irony of Anti-fascists attacking the courthouse stands.

The Washington Post article was helpful since the attack on the courthouse has involved attacks on the police. The article says, referring generally to events since Trump’s election, “More often, the left-leaning crowds clashed with the police.” Thus, the left appears to be the most contemptuous of the primary organization that is entrusted with promoting law and order.
Last edited by VTKillarney on Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:41 pm, edited 6 times in total.
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 11587
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:09 pm

Now that Trump and his unconstitutional minions have backed out of Portland, things are growing more peaceful.
It is good to see that the state and city can handle their security better than untrained brute force power pushers from the federal government.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... time-since

The local police have even handled those that are getting far too violent.

Two protesters were arrested Saturday evening in Portland, Ore., as demonstrators and law enforcement clashed for the first time in several days.
Where ever you go, there you are.
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:18 pm

casinterest wrote:
Now that Trump and his unconstitutional minions have backed out of Portland, things are growing more peaceful.
It is good to see that the state and city can handle their security better than untrained brute force power pushers from the federal government.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... time-since

The local police have even handled those that are getting far too violent.

Two protesters were arrested Saturday evening in Portland, Ore., as demonstrators and law enforcement clashed for the first time in several days.

It’s interesting that the local authorities were not able to handle the ongoing violence until after the feds intervened on their behalf. Fortunately things are FINALLY mostly under control. But it’s Portland. Who knows what the future holds.
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 11587
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:24 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Now that Trump and his unconstitutional minions have backed out of Portland, things are growing more peaceful.
It is good to see that the state and city can handle their security better than untrained brute force power pushers from the federal government.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... time-since

The local police have even handled those that are getting far too violent.

Two protesters were arrested Saturday evening in Portland, Ore., as demonstrators and law enforcement clashed for the first time in several days.

It’s interesting that the local authorities were not able to handle the ongoing violence until after the feds intervened on their behalf. Fortunately things are FINALLY mostly under control. But it’s Portland. Who knows what the future holds.



You have to remember, They were handling it. It was only in the minds of lying , dishonorable Fox News hosts that things were not working. Just remember, they are trying to protect the Impeached President Trump.
Where ever you go, there you are.
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:23 am

VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
A person would have to be registered to obtain that grade of munitions. Like through the federal government. Who just happened to be in Portland.

Do you have a source for your claim that the government is self-detonating these explosives?


I didn't say the government was setting off these munitions. Although, after we now know there were provocateurs like "Umbrella Man" it would be entirely possible.

BTW, in Oregon, you must have a permit to display these types of fireworks

https://www.oregon.gov/osp/programs/sfm ... r%20office.

And don't even start with the "but criminals get guns all the time" while we just saw unmarked, heavily armed troops kidnapping American citizens and throwing them in unmarked cars which is a clear violation of civil and Constitutional rights. But, yeah, totally every bit 100% blame the unarmed protesters.......
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:43 am

seb146 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
A person would have to be registered to obtain that grade of munitions. Like through the federal government. Who just happened to be in Portland.

Do you have a source for your claim that the government is self-detonating these explosives?


I didn't say the government was setting off these munitions. Although, after we now know there were provocateurs like "Umbrella Man" it would be entirely possible.

BTW, in Oregon, you must have a permit to display these types of fireworks

https://www.oregon.gov/osp/programs/sfm ... r%20office.

And don't even start with the "but criminals get guns all the time" while we just saw unmarked, heavily armed troops kidnapping American citizens and throwing them in unmarked cars which is a clear violation of civil and Constitutional rights. But, yeah, totally every bit 100% blame the unarmed protesters.......

I’m confused. Who are you saying was using these commercial grade fireworks against the federal police at the courthouse?
 
TSS
Posts: 3658
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:09 am

seb146 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
A person would have to be registered to obtain that grade of munitions. Like through the federal government. Who just happened to be in Portland.

Do you have a source for your claim that the government is self-detonating these explosives?


I didn't say the government was setting off these munitions. Although, after we now know there were provocateurs like "Umbrella Man" it would be entirely possible.

BTW, in Oregon, you must have a permit to display these types of fireworks

https://www.oregon.gov/osp/programs/sfm ... r%20office.

And don't even start with the "but criminals get guns all the time" while we just saw unmarked, heavily armed troops kidnapping American citizens and throwing them in unmarked cars which is a clear violation of civil and Constitutional rights. But, yeah, totally every bit 100% blame the unarmed protesters.......


Are these the "unarmed protesters" you refer to?

Fed bois are destroying Portland Antifa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgMijMhS_U <- That one has bonus footage of Antifa accusing a random Asian guy WITH A BEARD of being or at least intentionally looking like Andy Ngo, even though Andy can't grow a beard.

goodbye undercover police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTqWuSxuNl0

the peaceful protesters of Portland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHb3xVqxcp8
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
 
extender
Posts: 646
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:52 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:03 am

Peaceful my left foot. Video above has enough evidence that these protesters are not peaceful. I really hope those that gang up on the cops arresting someone get identified and prosecuted. These are anarchists, they are not misunderstood, they are idealistic drones that will use violence/terrorism to get their point across.
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18171
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:20 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Just one clarification about the Portland protesters so we are factually accurate. They have also used commercial grade mortar fireworks, lasers (to blind), and Molotov cocktails.

Making up stuff is so fun, right? What's a "commercial grade mortar firework"? Besides something that scares gullible conservative old white men... Is it like Mighty Mites Mortar Kit?

https://fireworks.com/products/aerial/r ... -6pc-1-kit

Nothing whatsoever has been made up. Official sources describe them as “commercial-grade, mortar-style fireworks.”

See, e.g.: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/30/por ... ut-july-30

The link you provided is for a consumer grade product. That’s not the same thing as what official sources are describing.

So we are careful to be factually accurate in this discussion, this website shows the difference and uses the exact term, “commercial grade” in comparison to “consumer.”: http://www.acepyro.com/Shop

This is right up there with believing the government finding laughably nonsensical WMD evidence in Iraq since the entire war was predicated on WMD, or that we're winning in Vietnam, or that the pandemic is under control. It's circular logic, and you predictably fell for it. Commercial grade, mortar style fireworks lol....scary! Surprised they didn't throw in Mooselamb!

VTKillarney wrote:
It’s somewhat ironic that so called Anti-fascists attempted to destroy the federal courthouse in Portland. The judiciary is the branch of government that is most likely to uphold democracy over fascism. It’s certainly evidence that the protesters really just want to hurt people and property and that they don’t have any actual standards.

What's really ironic is that after riling up all the old gullible white people predictably, antifa has still killed precisely zero people. Meanwhile it's the anniversary of just one--of many--right wing foot soldier spouting republican talking points who drove 600 miles to a walmart to blow away two dozen immigrants. And it's crickets from republicans, because that kind of violence and those kind of people don't matter to conservatives.
I don't take responsibility at all
 
N583JB
Posts: 909
Joined: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:58 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:43 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
What's really ironic is that after riling up all the old gullible white people predictably, antifa has still killed precisely zero people. Meanwhile it's the anniversary of just one--of many--right wing foot soldier spouting republican talking points who drove 600 miles to a walmart to blow away two dozen immigrants. And it's crickets from republicans, because that kind of violence and those kind of people don't matter to conservatives.


Funny how you ignore the unarmed black people (including two children) antifa's "security" gunned down in CHOP. I guess their lives didn't matter. Kind of ironic.
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18171
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:46 pm

N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
What's really ironic is that after riling up all the old gullible white people predictably, antifa has still killed precisely zero people. Meanwhile it's the anniversary of just one--of many--right wing foot soldier spouting republican talking points who drove 600 miles to a walmart to blow away two dozen immigrants. And it's crickets from republicans, because that kind of violence and those kind of people don't matter to conservatives.


Funny how you ignore the unarmed black people (including two children) antifa's "security" gunned down in CHOP. I guess their lives didn't matter. Kind of ironic.

Sorta like all the unarmed black people your cop buddies murder on camera? Like that?
I don't take responsibility at all
 
N583JB
Posts: 909
Joined: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:58 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:50 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
What's really ironic is that after riling up all the old gullible white people predictably, antifa has still killed precisely zero people. Meanwhile it's the anniversary of just one--of many--right wing foot soldier spouting republican talking points who drove 600 miles to a walmart to blow away two dozen immigrants. And it's crickets from republicans, because that kind of violence and those kind of people don't matter to conservatives.


Funny how you ignore the unarmed black people (including two children) antifa's "security" gunned down in CHOP. I guess their lives didn't matter. Kind of ironic.

Sorta like all the unarmed black people your cop buddies murder on camera? Like that?


I'm not the one claiming that cops have murdered "zero" people. But, nothing says protesting police brutality like starting a communist insurrection and executing black people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18171
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:53 pm

N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:

Funny how you ignore the unarmed black people (including two children) antifa's "security" gunned down in CHOP. I guess their lives didn't matter. Kind of ironic.

Sorta like all the unarmed black people your cop buddies murder on camera? Like that?


I'm not the one claiming that cops have murdered "zero" people. But, nothing says protesting police brutality like starting a communist insurrection and executing black people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You got any proof there that antifa was "executing black people"? I bet I can guess!
I don't take responsibility at all
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:03 pm

TSS wrote:
seb146 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Do you have a source for your claim that the government is self-detonating these explosives?


I didn't say the government was setting off these munitions. Although, after we now know there were provocateurs like "Umbrella Man" it would be entirely possible.

BTW, in Oregon, you must have a permit to display these types of fireworks

https://www.oregon.gov/osp/programs/sfm ... r%20office.

And don't even start with the "but criminals get guns all the time" while we just saw unmarked, heavily armed troops kidnapping American citizens and throwing them in unmarked cars which is a clear violation of civil and Constitutional rights. But, yeah, totally every bit 100% blame the unarmed protesters.......


Are these the "unarmed protesters" you refer to?

Fed bois are destroying Portland Antifa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgMijMhS_U <- That one has bonus footage of Antifa accusing a random Asian guy WITH A BEARD of being or at least intentionally looking like Andy Ngo, even though Andy can't grow a beard.

goodbye undercover police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTqWuSxuNl0

the peaceful protesters of Portland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHb3xVqxcp8


Asians can absolutely grow beards so I don't know why that is even a point.

And, yes, the protesters are unamred. Unless you are including hockey sticks and leaf blowers vs. guns and tear gas.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07 ... tests.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07 ... uries.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcev ... bd3f923179
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
extender
Posts: 646
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:52 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:06 pm

seb146 wrote:
And, yes, the protesters are unamred. Unless you are including hockey sticks and leaf blowers vs. guns and tear gas.


Hammers, cement projectiles, skateboeards and lasers; all will cause physical damage. Really should stop portraying them as misguided altar boys.
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:21 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
What's really ironic is that after riling up all the old gullible white people predictably, antifa has still killed precisely zero people.

“Not killing someone” seems like an absurdly low standard. Here is an example of just one night where at least six officers were injured by fireworks (concussions, burns and lacerations) and lasers, some of whom may have permanent blindness.
Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/news/por ... ks-lasers/
 
N583JB
Posts: 909
Joined: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:58 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:22 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Sorta like all the unarmed black people your cop buddies murder on camera? Like that?


I'm not the one claiming that cops have murdered "zero" people. But, nothing says protesting police brutality like starting a communist insurrection and executing black people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You got any proof there that antifa was "executing black people"? I bet I can guess!


I provided proof, but it was deleted for some reason (not by me).
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:30 pm

seb146 wrote:
And, yes, the protesters are unamred. Unless you are including hockey sticks and leaf blowers vs. guns and tear gas.

I am including commercial-grade mortar fireworks, hammers, Molotov cocktails and blinding lasers. Source links for all have been provided to you upthread.
 
TSS
Posts: 3658
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:22 pm

seb146 wrote:
TSS wrote:
seb146 wrote:

I didn't say the government was setting off these munitions. Although, after we now know there were provocateurs like "Umbrella Man" it would be entirely possible.

BTW, in Oregon, you must have a permit to display these types of fireworks

https://www.oregon.gov/osp/programs/sfm ... r%20office.

And don't even start with the "but criminals get guns all the time" while we just saw unmarked, heavily armed troops kidnapping American citizens and throwing them in unmarked cars which is a clear violation of civil and Constitutional rights. But, yeah, totally every bit 100% blame the unarmed protesters.......


Are these the "unarmed protesters" you refer to?

Fed bois are destroying Portland Antifa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgMijMhS_U <- That one has bonus footage of Antifa accusing a random Asian guy WITH A BEARD of being or at least intentionally looking like Andy Ngo, even though Andy can't grow a beard.

goodbye undercover police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTqWuSxuNl0

the peaceful protesters of Portland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHb3xVqxcp8


Asians can absolutely grow beards so I don't know why that is even a point.


Obviously some Asians can grow beards; the Asian man in the video has one. Andy Ngo can grow a little bit of face fluff but not nearly as much as the guy in the video has for it to be visible even when he's wearing a mask on low-quality video.
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
 
User avatar
OA412
Moderator
Posts: 4783
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:22 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:29 pm

Please knock it off with the fireworks and stick to the topic. Thank you!
Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18171
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:52 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
What's really ironic is that after riling up all the old gullible white people predictably, antifa has still killed precisely zero people.

“Not killing someone” seems like an absurdly low standard. Here is an example of just one night where at least six officers were injured by fireworks (concussions, burns and lacerations) and lasers, some of whom may have permanent blindness.
Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/news/por ... ks-lasers/

That's rich. Where is the republican standard? 150,000+ dead with tens of thousands more expected to die and...."it is what it is"...right wingers mass murdering people in synagogues/Walmarts/mosques/schools and....crickets.Trillions spent and thousands of Americans dead in two pointless wars and...nada. But some protesters in Portland with...checks notes...fireworks? Republicans lose what little is left of their collective mind and want to shoot them all.
I don't take responsibility at all
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:50 pm

Let me try to explain this another way:

In one city block, we have one side with cardboard signs, megaphones, surgical masks, as well as a few idiots with things like hockey sticks. On the other side, we have full body armor, guns, flash grenades, tear gas, unmarked vehicles and detaining people.

How does the media view this? VIOLENT ARMED PROTESTERS LOOTING AND BEATING PEOPLE when clearly looking at video and photos, it is the exact opposite. I posted a link up the thread that shows a woman in a sun dress being beaten by heavily armed guards. And the right wing media is telling us that she is the problem, that she is the violent aggressor. When, in reality, she represents probably 90% of all protesters until they are being beaten and shot at.

Right wing media wants everyone to believe the violence stars with all protesters. They always forget that the violence starts with these heavily armed guards itching for a fight.

Maybe if we held the police to the same standards the police hold Blacks to, we would not be in this situation......
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:25 pm

Is this an attempt to excuse the attempts to blind officers, throw explosives at them, and to hit them over the head with hammers? I’m not following you.

When will we dispense with the fiction that all of the Portland protestors have been peaceful and non-instigators?
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18171
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:45 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
Is this an attempt to excuse the attempts to blind officers, throw explosives at them, and to hit them over the head with hammers? I’m not following you.

When will we dispense with the fiction that all of the Portland protestors have been peaceful and non-instigators?

The whole operation was an attempt to excuse conservatives' horrific handling of Covid19 and the economy. Y'all always need a boogeyman to be terrified of, and antifa fit the bill, even though their threat to...literally anything is approaching zero. It's driven conservatives into such a frenzy they're armed up to the nips in East Upchuck Holler waiting for a threat that will never come:

"Some of the posts feature a screenshot of a tweet by a fake antifa Twitter account that Twitter said was created by the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, attempting to drum up fear of looting in residential and suburban areas. The false antifa tweet was boosted in part by Donald Trump Jr., who posted a screenshot of the tweet to his Instagram account. Other rumors falsely warn of antifa members' being "bused in" to towns in Idaho."

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... e-n1222486

And in some cases, conservatives are so desperate for a show down with their imaginary antifa friend that they impersonate it themselves:

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/t ... r-n1221456

The administration wanted to capitalize on conservatives' hysteria because it's such easy red meat for its white rage base, so they put on this Portland dog and pony show for you with predictable results. Violence ticked up, nothing was accomplished, and when they left, the violence predictably disappeared. The whole episode is one of the saddest wag the dog attempts in decades. I'm sure more are forthcoming.
I don't take responsibility at all
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18171
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:58 pm

Another one:


In Klamath Falls, Oregon, victory declared over antifa, which never showed up
Towns from Washington state to Indiana have seen armed groups begin patrolling the streets after rumors spread on social media about an antifa invasion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-med ... ket-newtab

Total communal insanity.
I don't take responsibility at all
 
jordanh
Posts: 325
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:56 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:27 am

VTKillarney wrote:
Is this an attempt to excuse the attempts to blind officers, throw explosives at them, and to hit them over the head with hammers? I’m not following you. When will we dispense with the fiction that all of the Portland protestors have been peaceful and non-instigators?


Is this an attempt to claim all those Trump mercenaries were "officers"? Can you prove that? Did you see their badges? Their names and ranks? Did you even see them identifying the law enforcement agency they came from?

When all this starting being challenged, they sure turned tail and disappeared fast... that's not easy to do if you have been blinded, injured, or maimed.
 
User avatar
VTKillarney
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:58 am

jordanh wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Is this an attempt to excuse the attempts to blind officers, throw explosives at them, and to hit them over the head with hammers? I’m not following you. When will we dispense with the fiction that all of the Portland protestors have been peaceful and non-instigators?


Is this an attempt to claim all those Trump mercenaries were "officers"? Can you prove that? Did you see their badges? Their names and ranks? Did you even see them identifying the law enforcement agency they came from?

When all this starting being challenged, they sure turned tail and disappeared fast... that's not easy to do if you have been blinded, injured, or maimed.

Respectfully, that is non-responsive to my question.
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 22533
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:07 am

About this "laser pointer" deflection: Everything I have read, it was at one protest and six to eight officers claimed to have had green laser pointed at them. Out of 65+ days of protests. And only after the secret police showed up. One night it happened to, at most, eight officers.

After protesters had their skulls broken, arms broken, arrests with zero cause for days. One night, one thing happens and suddenly, again, all protesters are violent criminals. Just to put things in perspective. But we won't tell anyone they are simply a few bad apples. Gotta lump them all in together. Not like with the cops, right?
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
jordanh
Posts: 325
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:56 pm

Re: Portland, OR: Perpetual negative news item

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:51 am

VTKillarney wrote:
jordanh wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Is this an attempt to excuse the attempts to blind officers, throw explosives at them, and to hit them over the head with hammers? I’m not following you. When will we dispense with the fiction that all of the Portland protestors have been peaceful and non-instigators?


Is this an attempt to claim all those Trump mercenaries were "officers"? Can you prove that? Did you see their badges? Their names and ranks? Did you even see them identifying the law enforcement agency they came from?

When all this starting being challenged, they sure turned tail and disappeared fast... that's not easy to do if you have been blinded, injured, or maimed.

Respectfully, that is non-responsive to my question.


"Respectfully", your question wasn't directed at me, so your whining is moot.

"Respectfully", my question was directed towards you - and you evaded it. Typically.
Last edited by jordanh on Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:56 am, edited 2 times in total.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CandleFlight, drew777 and 45 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos