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Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:51 pm

A massive explosion has rocked central Beirut, shattering windows, knocking down doors and shaking buildings several hundred feet away.

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Lots of video coming out. Holy cow, what a blast.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1290678176574779395
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:53 pm

10 reported dead according to Sky News.
 
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:11 pm

Looks like it was a fireworks warehouse.

Video of the explosion is linked in the article. The building was already on fire .

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:19 pm

casinterest wrote:
Looks like it was a fireworks warehouse.

Video of the explosion is linked in the article. The building was already on fire .

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

Wow - that was INSANE! Would not have wanted to be anywhere close to that
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:27 pm

casinterest wrote:
Looks like it was a fireworks warehouse.

Video of the explosion is linked in the article. The building was already on fire .

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html


That is dreadful. :(
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:31 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Hezbollah weapons depot (or used as a cover FOR a weapons depot). The blast seems to be too powerful for it to be just fireworks blowing up.
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:36 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Hezbollah weapons depot (or used as a cover FOR a weapons depot). The blast seems to be too powerful for it to be just fireworks blowing up.


It could be, but I doubt it. Fireworks use some very nasty Chemicals. If it was a weapons dump, then there is going to be Hell to pay as the first responders were already on site fighting the fire, and I suspect many of them perished in this explosion.
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:42 pm

Thoughts and prayers with the people of Lebanon. :(
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:47 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Hezbollah weapons depot (or used as a cover FOR a weapons depot). The blast seems to be too powerful for it to be just fireworks blowing up.


Didn’t seem that way from reports:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-eas ... 55il5.html
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:50 pm

You did hear the CNN report referring to 'confiscated explosive materials'.

Does this mean that they were in the custody of the military at the time.
 
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:53 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Hezbollah weapons depot (or used as a cover FOR a weapons depot). The blast seems to be too powerful for it to be just fireworks blowing up.


Enschede
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QCp334oCLc
at 1:34 in the video, the 1.8 kt explosion.

Long time, it was neither known, than understood, why there was such a huge explosion in the firework storage in Enschde, Netherlands. There was nothing, which shall have had this possibility to perform such a huge explosion, according up to date knowledge.
Till in Germany the BAM (Federal Institute for Materials Research and Testing) has performed some tests, with some half and complete filled containers with firework....
No one had expected, "waterfalls" will be able to explode....If someone piles them up, they will nicely burn down without explosion. But if they are contained/in a enclosed room; there were 3 or 4 container full with "waterfalls" in Enschede, they have exploded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pSqjOOBXz4
The last one are the waterfalls in a container with closed door.
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:13 pm

The only time I have ever seen reddish brown smoke like that in the secondary explosion (not counting the vapor/condensation cloud) was from rocket propellant.

Anybody know anything about Hezbollah and rockets?

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Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:18 pm

T4thH wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Hezbollah weapons depot (or used as a cover FOR a weapons depot). The blast seems to be too powerful for it to be just fireworks blowing up.


Enschede
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QCp334oCLc
at 1:34 in the video, the 1.8 kt explosion.

Long time, it was neither known, than understood, why there was such a huge explosion in the firework storage in Enschde, Netherlands. There was nothing, which shall have had this possibility to perform such a huge explosion, according up to date knowledge.
Till in Germany the BAM (Federal Institute for Materials Research and Testing) has performed some tests, with some half and complete filled containers with firework....
No one had expected, "waterfalls" will be able to explode....If someone piles them up, they will nicely burn down without explosion. But if they are contained/in a enclosed room; there were 3 or 4 container full with "waterfalls" in Enschede, they have exploded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pSqjOOBXz4
The last one are the waterfalls in a container with closed door.


Seeing the video made me think of that beautiful sunny day in May 2000, disrupted by this huge expllotion.
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:54 pm

Another video. It shows the harbor area and the main explosion.
https://twitter.com/Advocatevora/status/1290720089650552832


Beirut will have a cold winter; up to 15 miles distance, windows are destroyed. Whole Beirut city is inside of around 10 km (not miles), so heavy damages to buildings and destroyed windows in the whole city (according first unconfirmed news).

Pictures of the destroyed harbor area, every building is completely destroyed. You can see the heavily damaged grain elevator in the background, the site in direction to the explosion is cracked. The grain elevator can also be seen in the video up.
https://twitter.com/SecretaryAce/status/1290716327787859979/photo/1

EDIT: Additional videos of the explosion (as compilation).
https://twitter.com/pulkit87007/status/1290725119099146240
In one of these videos you can see some smaller (firework) explosions at the building, just seconds before the boom.

It was firework.
 
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:56 pm

Videos of destroyed residential areas.
https://twitter.com/ultima_opinion/status/1290728263963365377

https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1290681560342069248


I have 20 min ago seen a just uploaded video on Twitter, which was deleted immediately.
Something like this, no one wants to see. The dead nude corpse are lying around everywhere in the whole harbor area, next to the explosion. After this one, I have stopped.
 
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:40 pm

Okie wrote:
The only time I have ever seen reddish brown smoke like that in the secondary explosion (not counting the vapor/condensation cloud) was from rocket propellant.

Anybody know anything about Hezbollah and rockets?

Okie

You are not incorrect, but only to a point.
When you look at "reddish brown smoke" from launch exhaust, you are seeing NOx (typically NO oxidizing to NO2 on contact with air). That's for rockets that use fuming nitric acid as oxidizer (all the way back to V-2).

I hear today's explosion in Beirut involved a warehouse, full of confiscated sodium nitrate. Once that exploded, a bunch of NOx is released.

So yeah. "Close, but no cigar"
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:05 pm

German embassy is damaged in Beirut and employees have been hurt.

According German news, all explosive material, confiscated by the custom and other officials over the last years, have been collected and stored in this one building in the harbor area.

And yes, it also stated, that ammonium nitrate is part of the confiscated material.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/beirut-mehr-als-25-tote-und-2500-verletzte-nach-explosion-a-7f369f0e-4255-4f13-97a1-58b573f17587
 
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:19 pm

I was in Beirut last year and I know this area well. It's very close to downtown and an area called Mar Mikhael which is full of cafes and restaurants. Plus the main highway out of the city towards the north passes right by and Beirut's bus station is also there right next to the road.

The first video looks like it's from the roof of the Iris hotel, about 2 km west, next to Martyrs square in downtown (site of the Presidential palace, shopping centers etc).
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:33 pm

Why was this lot not stored somewhere safe?.
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:47 pm

Report that 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate was stored at the facility.
Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 20414.html

That seems criminally negligent.
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:03 pm

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Why was this lot not stored somewhere safe?.

Because Lebanon, despite being home to some of the most talented, cultured, energetic people, has the worst governance
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:27 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
Report that 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate was stored at the facility.
Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 20414.html

That seems criminally negligent.

2700 t Ammonium nitrate stored for 6 years...The IS got their revenge, also more than a year after the end of the IS in Syria.
But the "best" is; ammonium nitrate needs a fuze, to trigger an explosion. As can be seen in several videos (especially in one from the roof of the grain elevator, which shown the prior fire and the first smaller explosion), there was first a firework fire in this "warehouse 12", so they have even stored the fuzes together with the ammonium nitrate.

Unbelievable, how stupid the human being is/can be.
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:14 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
Report that 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate was stored at the facility.
Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 20414.html

That seems criminally negligent.


Absolutely. Whoever is in charge of customs there is incredibly ignorant of chemistry at the very LEAST.
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:31 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Report that 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate was stored at the facility.
Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 20414.html

That seems criminally negligent.


Absolutely. Whoever is in charge of customs there is incredibly ignorant of chemistry at the very LEAST.


Unbelievably stupid to put that much in one place, and to store it in a urban area. Really really dangerous, with the shocking results we've seen on the video, the enormous blast.
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:39 pm

Amazing.

Can they really have been this stupid?.
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:44 pm

I heard of this when it was still unfolding, with only info about the explosion being in the port, huge, with dozens of dead but thousands of casualties. People were talking about a terrorist attack, or an Israeli strike. The info available made me instead immediately think of the AZF disaster in Toulouse : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_ ... _explosion

This accident isn't well known outside France because it happened 10 days after 9/11 (just like the AA A300 NYC crash isn't well known either), you can read the linked wikipedia article, it seems basically the same thing happened in Beirut. Except in the case of AZF it was "only" 300 tons of ammonium nitrate. Still the explosion was massive, as was the crater, and the seismic shock.
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:51 pm

Aesma wrote:
I heard of this when it was still unfolding, with only info about the explosion being in the port, huge, with dozens of dead but thousands of casualties. People were talking about a terrorist attack, or an Israeli strike. The info available made me instead immediately think of the AZF disaster in Toulouse : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_ ... _explosion

This accident isn't well known outside France because it happened 10 days after 9/11 (just like the AA A300 NYC crash isn't well known either), you can read the linked wikipedia article, it seems basically the same thing happened in Beirut. Except in the case of AZF it was "only" 300 tons of ammonium nitrate. Still the explosion was massive, as was the crater, and the seismic shock.


You look at the videos, it's like an atomic bomb going off, the mushroom cloud and the visible shockwave. Yes there are obviously technical differences why the two are totally different (sorry pedants), but the devastation is enormous.

I now read it was 2750 tonnes stored there. Grossly irresponsible.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:29 am

The 2700 tons of Ammonium Nitrate is definitely staggering.

For comparison, the explosion in Tianjin in 2015 involved "only" 800 tonnes of Ammonium Nitrate, and it is enough to cause a huge amount of damage in that area.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:48 am

It has been determined by President Trump and his advisors that this was an attack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3oLZryzuo

He was pulled up on the assertion with a request for clarification. I think it's just a bit too early to rush to say it was an attack. It appears to have been a deadly accident caused by extreme negligence.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:24 am

cpd wrote:
It has been determined by President Trump and his advisors that this was an attack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3oLZryzuo

He was pulled up on the assertion with a request for clarification. I think it's just a bit too early to rush to say it was an attack. It appears to have been a deadly accident caused by extreme negligence.

The current president of the United States is not at all a valid source of information.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:16 am

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The current president of the United States is not at all a valid source of information.



Whatever he says... the opposite is most likely to be true...


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Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:48 am

Several possibilities:
-accident
-Some psychopaths in the intelligence community looking for action.
-false flag operation:
People of Lebanon unhappy with Government. If Israel can be blamed people will unite behind government. Alternatively somebody looking for war may have done it do have a reason for it.

First Iran, now Lebanon. While one can never know who is behind it, I feel something big is going to happen soon.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:02 am

Or, just some idiot low-level functionary allowed the storage of fertilizer in the building which six years caught fire. Never attribute to malice that which might be laziness or ignorance.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:23 am

How was so much ammonium nitrate allowed to be stored in an urban area? Heads are going to roll. The amount of ammonium nitrate there was equivalent to the force of a nuclear warhead. This is an unmitigated disaster.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:35 am

santi319 wrote:
cpd wrote:
It has been determined by President Trump and his advisors that this was an attack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3oLZryzuo

He was pulled up on the assertion with a request for clarification. I think it's just a bit too early to rush to say it was an attack. It appears to have been a deadly accident caused by extreme negligence.

The current president of the United States is not at all a valid source of information.

And even more negligent when it comes to deal with an issue in his own country.....
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:23 am

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How was so much ammonium nitrate allowed to be stored in an urban area? Heads are going to roll. The amount of ammonium nitrate there was equivalent to the force of a nuclear warhead. This is an unmitigated disaster.


That’s what I thought as well looking at videos of the blast and seeing the shockwave. Whole areas are just totally flattened.

I suspect this is one of the worst cases of negligence probably kicked off by something accidental then this disaster.

I feel for those poor people. :(
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:52 am

I wonder how we can support the people of Beirut through this terrible time, especially given it is still dealing with COVID locally? There is worldwide community of people of Lebanese descent, as well as many just wanting to help other humans after this disaster.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:54 am

Interesting:

On 23/9/2013, m/v Rhosus, flying the Moldovian flag, sailed from Batumi Port, Georgia heading to Biera in Mozambique carrying 2,750 tons of
Ammonium Nitrate in bulk. En route, the vessel faced technical problems forcing the Master to enter Beirut Port. Upon inspection of the vessel by Port State Control, the vessel was forbidden from sailing. Most crew except the Master and four crew members were repatriated and shortly afterwards the vessel was abandoned by her owners after charterers and cargo concern lost interest in the cargo. The vessel quickly ran out of stores, bunker and provisions.

Various creditors came forward with claims against her. Our firm acting on instruction of these creditors obtained three arrest orders against the vessel. Efforts to get in touch with the owners, charterers and cargo owners to obtain payment failed.
In the meantime, the Master and crew remaining on board were in jeopardy due to the shortage of stores and provisions. To make things worse, the crew were restrained on board the vessel owing to immigration restrictions. Diplomatic efforts were attempted to have
the crew repatriated but without success. The crew subsequently approached us for assistance. Acting on compassionate grounds, we applied to the Judge “Of Urgent Matters” in Beirut for an order authorizing the crew to disembark and return home. Our application was based on the breach of the right to personal freedom which is protected under the Constitution of Lebanon and the International Convention of Human Rights and Personal Freedoms. Emphasis was placed on the imminent danger the crew was facing given the “dangerous” nature of the cargo still stored in ship’s holds.

The port authorities and the vessel’s agents were invited by the Judge to comment on our application. Our application eventually succeeded and the Judge ordered that necessary permits be issued for the crew to disembark and return home. The decision rendered by the Judge is considered of landmark importance because as it has established the principles that personal freedoms ought to be protected regardless of any administrative considerations and that the Judge “Of Urgent Matters” can intervene to ensure protection of these rights. Owing to the risks associated with retaining the Ammonium Nitrate on board the vessel, the port authorities discharged the cargo onto the port’s warehouses. The vessel and cargo remain to date in port awaiting auctioning and/or proper disposal.


Seems logical enough...then you realize that the ship was "grounded" due to being unseaworthy back in 2013 and the cargo offloaded for sale/disposal in 2015. Publication was from Feb 2016.

https://shiparrested.com/wp-content/upl ... -issue.pdf

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Another article on the ship mentions the following:

RHOSUS was detained after PSC inspection, which found a number of deficiencies. Since then vessel is stranded in Beirut. By now only four crew stay on board – Master (Russian nationality), Chief and Third Engineers and Bosun, all of them Ukrainians. Vessel was owned and operated by Mr. Grechushkin Igor, Russian citizen now Cyprus resident (last known manager Teto Shipping, Cyprus). RHOSUS actually, is abandoned – owner doesn’t communicate, doesn’t pay salaries, doesn’t provide supplies. Owner of the cargo declared abandonment, too. Beirut authorities don’t permit the remaining crew to leave the vessel and fly to home. The reason is obvious, port authorities don’t want to be left with abandoned vessel on their hands, loaded with dangerous cargo, explosives, in fact. Why don’t they want to arrest vessel with cargo, to release the crew and replace it with temporary local crew, is unclear.


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Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:57 am

Kent350787 wrote:
I wonder how we can support the people of Beirut through this terrible time, especially given it is still dealing with COVID locally? There is worldwide community of people of Lebanese descent, as well as many just wanting to help other humans after this disaster.


As I understand it, a number of countries already offered assistance, France among them. This is too big for just the diaspora to solve. Libanon needs help, so let's indeed take care of this disaster as a world community and let us help them, not just with the aftermath of this explosion, but also with the Syrian refugees (1million plus in Libanon) and with the COVID crisis and the collapsed health care infrastructure.

Syria needs to be in peace now, therefore all fighting parties should truly come together and let the differences be bygone and all the old people in power removed and get them under UN control for 5 years or so to get their affairs in order. That will help Libanon tremendously: 1million fewer people to take care of. And just help Libanon to take care of its own and let this crisis, upon a crisis upon a crisis be the. start of a new beginning.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:00 pm

The level of the catastrophe is seen in this report from SBS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heCO8eXyxtU

Warning, there are some disturbing scenes.

More from Deutsche Welle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07_KdDdcVfM

Everything is just gone, completely leveled.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:03 pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Texas City Diaster of 1947. Basically the same event as some 2300 tons of ammonium nitrate exploded in a ship's cargo hold. The main difference being Beirut is heavily populated compared to 1947 Texas City. The pictures coming out are unbelievable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:08 pm

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Texas City Diaster of 1947. Basically the same event as some 2300 tons of ammonium nitrate exploded in a ship's cargo hold. The main difference being Beirut is heavily populated compared to 1947 Texas City. The pictures coming out are unbelievable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster


Actually, already listed in the thread on the main forum:
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:05 pm

Every city with a harbour, big railway junktion or military base need to consider what would be the effect in their city.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:40 pm

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Every city with a harbour, big railway junktion or military base need to consider what would be the effect in their city.


In another word, everyone going NIMBY.

But looking at what's going on in Beirut, even things relatively far away (10+ miles) were affected. The damage radius is comparable to the size of some small cities in US.

Sigh...Lebanon is just cursed.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:23 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
olle wrote:
Every city with a harbour, big railway junktion or military base need to consider what would be the effect in their city.


In another word, everyone going NIMBY.

But looking at what's going on in Beirut, even things relatively far away (10+ miles) were affected. The damage radius is comparable to the size of some small cities in US.

Sigh...Lebanon is just cursed.


Cursed indeed, for the past 45 years.
 
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:22 pm

Storing 2700 tonnes of ammonium nitrates haphazardly in a warehouse right next to a densely populated area is pretty much asking for a disaster.
WTH were they thinking?

This would have been a blast equivalent to a low yield nuke...
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:48 pm

An aerial before/after shot of ground zero.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ ... after_the/
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:27 pm

Really good series of tweets from "Tyler Rogoway @Aviation_Intel":

The whole Beirut was a nuke idiot fest: We live in an era where unlimited info and learning potential is at one's fingertips, but also totally unsubstantiated & implausible rumors & sensational claims can rule the day. Like the entire world is now a middle school gossip circle...

The internet can make smart people way smarter and stupid people way stupider. It's an amazing albeit startling nexus of human nature.

People are so lonely and desperate for conversation, they comment all day on articles on complex subjects they didn't even skim. They just want to give an opinion regardless of it is absolutely worthless or even outright misleading. It's an amazingly low standard to exist within.

I know complaining about the internet is a fool's errand, but every damn day I am baffled with what I see. The whole mainstreaming of conspiracy theory has just poured gasoline onto an already smoldering fire. It's hip to believe what isn't true is true in ever-growing circles.

"It's a mushroom cloud! It's a nuke!" This s*** was coming from people with influence who have no clue what they are looking at. Ever seen an ammo dump blow up? Or a chem plant? Yeah, mushroom clouds don't solely exist in the atomic weapons universe! You can learn that in seconds

But instead, "f*** it, this will get retweets!" is the name of the game and people eat it up. It's not commenting on a football play, you are saying a nuclear weapon just detonated in a major city with reckless abandon. F***ing insanity.

Ref: https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/stat ... 7017977856

Yes, it does seem like the entire world is like a gossip circle where opinions are largely given the same weight regardless of whether they come from the well-informed or the ill-informed.
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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:30 pm

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Re: Huge Explosion In Beirut

Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:43 pm

Interesting facts from https://www.reuters.com/article/us-leba ... SKCN25126F? tell us that Beirut (2,700 tons) was on a similar scale to Texas City (2,300 tons). Texas City was a boat in the harbor (so presumably lots of metal shrapnel) whose explosion also set up a tidal wave and had far more fatalities.
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