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New George Floyd leaked bodycam video

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:19 am

https://youtu.be/YPSwqp5fdIw

Pretty self explanatory.

So unfortunate how this event by proxy caused the deaths of so many innocent people.
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Re: New George Floyd leaked bodycam video completely turns case upside down

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:48 am

Don't get how his claustrophobia only kicks in when he is in the back.

How come this was not released earlier.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:58 am

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Don't get how his claustrophobia only kicks in when he is in the back..


because "confined space" and "unable to get out" are both triggers for claustrophobia?

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Re: New George Floyd leaked bodycam video completely turns case upside down

Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:52 am

He was awful jittery, and I get that. Unfortunate what the conclusion was. But this was nothing more than a fuse. A mine waiting for a time and place.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:07 pm

How did he get into his own car.

It is not exactly a huge space.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:11 pm

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How did he get into his own car.

It is not exactly a huge space.


he got in there himself and gets to decide when to leave?

Want to see your significant other going from all comfy dirty to all panic? Ignore them using the safe word...

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Re: New George Floyd leaked bodycam video completely turns case upside down

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:39 pm

No, it doesn't turn the case upside down. It is amazing to see the lengths some will go to, to justify violence against African Americans.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:33 pm

Murdered. Was he a good guy? No. That doesn't mean the cops get to be executioner. This video changes nothing.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:45 pm

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Murdered. Was he a good guy? No. That doesn't mean the cops get to be executioner. This video changes nothing.



There is a lot of evidence that shows this was a drug overdose and that he was suffering from excited delirium syndrome. This video proves he was unresponsive; (he was claustrophobic in his vehicle but not the other one?)

>George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck. He was saying he couldn't breathe minutes before being placed on the ground.

>George Floyd was foaming at the mouth as indicated in a transcript of the bodycam footage, which is indicative of a drug overdose.

>The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect, and requires extreme restraint.

>A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.

Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.

Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.

Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

With that being said, did Chauvin act appropriately? Probably not, 8 minutes is excessive. But a murder? I really don't think that is likely at all. It is highly likely these police officers will be exonerated from charges.
 
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Re: New George Floyd leaked bodycam video completely turns case upside down

Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:46 pm

I incorrectly used the edit function, but I wanted to add that he willingly put himself on the ground too.
 
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drew777 wrote:
Murdered. Was he a good guy? No. That doesn't mean the cops get to be executioner. This video changes nothing.



There is a lot of evidence that shows this was a drug overdose and that he was suffering from excited delirium syndrome. This video proves he was unresponsive; (he was claustrophobic in his vehicle but not the other one?)

>George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck. He was saying he couldn't breathe minutes before being placed on the ground.

>George Floyd was foaming at the mouth as indicated in a transcript of the bodycam footage, which is indicative of a drug overdose.

>The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect, and requires extreme restraint.

>A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.

Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.

Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.

Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

With that being said, did Chauvin act appropriately? Probably not, 8 minutes is excessive. But a murder? I really don't think that is likely at all. It is highly likely these police officers will be exonerated from charges.


Of course it was murder. Have you no moral compass?
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Re: New George Floyd leaked bodycam video completely turns case upside down

Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:55 pm

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Veigar wrote:
drew777 wrote:
Murdered. Was he a good guy? No. That doesn't mean the cops get to be executioner. This video changes nothing.



There is a lot of evidence that shows this was a drug overdose and that he was suffering from excited delirium syndrome. This video proves he was unresponsive; (he was claustrophobic in his vehicle but not the other one?)

>George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck. He was saying he couldn't breathe minutes before being placed on the ground.

>George Floyd was foaming at the mouth as indicated in a transcript of the bodycam footage, which is indicative of a drug overdose.

>The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect, and requires extreme restraint.

>A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.

Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.

Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.

Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

With that being said, did Chauvin act appropriately? Probably not, 8 minutes is excessive. But a murder? I really don't think that is likely at all. It is highly likely these police officers will be exonerated from charges.


Of course it was murder. Have you no moral compass?


How come you did not acknowledge anything I said?
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:58 pm

Title of this thread is misleading.
"Upside down" would mean that Floyd would have HIS knee on the neck of the officer. Clearly, that was not the case.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:46 pm

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Sometimes, sure. I haven't seen that happening here, though.


And yet you won't tell us why you keep promoting stats that show African Americans are more criminal. So yes, you have seen it here.


I've told you why. You just don't like my explanation because it is easier to try and paint someone as a racist and shut them down than it is to deal with facts that contradict your narrative.


You have done no such thing. You have insinuated African Americans are more criminal, then leave it at that.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:56 pm

You guys aren't doing a good job of talking to each other. This man deserved to get arrested, it became a complex arrest beyond the capability of the novice cops. They went to the veteran, and he killed the guy, triggering a panic / heart attack, but it was homicide, and probably murder.

This even does not prove or disprove broad, national theories. It was correctly seen as an outrageous assault by a police officer, likely will net a murder conviction.

It is not particularly common for police to kill people in any group. But people who live in high crime areas are at higher risk for many things, including police contact, including being injured or killed by a police officer. It's a fixation on an important issue. I agree that other issues with greater impact - that kill more disadvantaged people - are going unaddressed.

We are fixating on a relatively rare situation, where police kill civilians, which is also quite hard to fully eliminate, if we agree that police are needed to protect us all from violent 14-34 year old men and boys. If we expect police to respond to legitimate and necessary anti-crime calls, we need to understand that sometimes things can go wrong.

I also agree that organized police corruption is a real issue that needs to be batled tcontsantly.
 
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You guys aren't doing a good job of talking to each other. This man deserved to get arrested, it became a complex arrest beyond the capability of the novice cops. They went to the veteran, and he killed the guy, triggering a panic / heart attack, but it was homicide, and probably murder.

This even does not prove or disprove broad, national theories. It was correctly seen as an outrageous assault by a police officer, likely will net a murder conviction.

It is not particularly common for police to kill people in any group. But people who live in high crime areas are at higher risk for many things, including police contact, including being injured or killed by a police officer. It's a fixation on an important issue. I agree that other issues with greater impact - that kill more disadvantaged people - are going unaddressed.

We are fixating on a relatively rare situation, where police kill civilians, which is also quite hard to fully eliminate, if we agree that police are needed to protect us all from violent 14-34 year old men and boys. If we expect police to respond to legitimate and necessary anti-crime calls, we need to understand that sometimes things can go wrong.

I also agree that organized police corruption is a real issue that needs to be batled tcontsantly.


You DON'T harm, hurt inflict pain on ANYONE over $20 dollars...period.

Try logic, it's undeniable and hard to beat.

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LCDFlight wrote:
You guys aren't doing a good job of talking to each other. This man deserved to get arrested, it became a complex arrest beyond the capability of the novice cops. They went to the veteran, and he killed the guy, triggering a panic / heart attack, but it was homicide, and probably murder.

This even does not prove or disprove broad, national theories. It was correctly seen as an outrageous assault by a police officer, likely will net a murder conviction.

It is not particularly common for police to kill people in any group. But people who live in high crime areas are at higher risk for many things, including police contact, including being injured or killed by a police officer. It's a fixation on an important issue. I agree that other issues with greater impact - that kill more disadvantaged people - are going unaddressed.

We are fixating on a relatively rare situation, where police kill civilians, which is also quite hard to fully eliminate, if we agree that police are needed to protect us all from violent 14-34 year old men and boys. If we expect police to respond to legitimate and necessary anti-crime calls, we need to understand that sometimes things can go wrong.

I also agree that organized police corruption is a real issue that needs to be batled tcontsantly.


You DON'T harm, hurt inflict pain on ANYONE over $20 dollars...period.

Try logic, it's undeniable and hard to beat.

BN747


Name a society that doesn't enforce theft laws that is doing really well. Or counterfeit currency laws.

You are right that he didn't have to die. That's why taking the risks he took was a bad idea. It put him at risk for a high risk arrest, something he still demanded. it put him on track to meet a bad cop on the wrong day. That bad cop has been identified and is standing trial. No one is justifying the killing during the arrest. But the arrest was omethinsg any civilized place has to do. What you are arguing is, let's stop enforcing all petty theft laws (and I'm sure many other laws). It will be hard for you to eat, buy gas or find clothing in that new reality.
 
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Re: New George Floyd leaked bodycam video

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:37 pm

A large number of posts have been removed from this thread due to blatantly flamebait comments. Discuss the topic productively, or please don't engage. This is obviously a sensitive topic, and flamebait BS doesn't belong here.

The thread title has also been updated. Please view the video prior to making judgements, and please be sensitive to the fact that a man died as a result. We won't tolerate racism, nor disrespect to the deceased.

If a productive discussion cannot occur, then the thread will be locked.

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I saw a black policeman.
There is a continuum between mental hospital and prison. I couldn't work as a policeman.

Can those who are angry share some own experience with prejudicial police behavior so that people who don't know the US can understand why a whole society gets worked up?
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:31 pm

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Murdered. Was he a good guy? No. That doesn't mean the cops get to be executioner. This video changes nothing.


Exactly, over a possible (never proven) passing a fake $20 bill...even if he was guilty of passing a fake $20 bill then charges should be filed and he arrested and that's the end of it.

No person deserves death, a beating, his life choked out him over a $20 dollar bogus bill.

Neither does throwing a hungry destitute man in jail for 10 years because he stole a slice of pizza.

The imbalance of dispensing just laws is so out of whack it's despicable....in America.

Again, when looking at this video which is footage AFTER the original, ....all CC cams - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSm0Nuqomg
- showing a timeline with multiple camera angles from the beginning.

Chavin and Lane are seen crossing he street and pulling him from his vehicle. Floyd does put a struggle because he had to be wondering why he's been yanked from his vehicle instead being asked to step out of his car. Chavin isn't having that, so escalate the situation and drag him out, Chavin is the supervisor and he has a 15+ year personal acquaintance with Floyd. Guys who know other guys in that situation know that Chavin, knowing his relationship macho'd up and dragged him out with the help of Kueng. Obviously of their acquaintance was of a friendly nature..he would have patiently explained to him that he's not driving away and he must emerge from the car sooner or later. But no, he goes after him like he was arresting a killer drug cartel member. - over a bogus $20
bill charge. That kind of charged up aggression for $20.

They sit him down.

Tao's cruiser is right at his feet, but they elect to pick him up and take across the street to Chavin's cruiser.

Question is what is Chavin saying to this man he's known for all these years as he walks him across the street to Chavin's cruiser - Only Body Cams have this conversation and no one believes Chavin was wishing him happy birthday after that take down from his car.

What were Chavin's choice words?

The new video by the OP catches Floyd's panic moment before being shoved into Chavin's cruiser...clear in the OP video something has scared him, something set off an alarm to cause him fear for a 6'6" man to plead that desperately.

..and we know the rest.

Chavin being the Supv must have made the call to take him to his cruiser, as teh Supv he can make that call...but should he have done that given their 15+ year history.

Had Floyd been placed in Tao's cruiser, or Kueng's and taken in he'd be alive today and there would not be any nationwide protest this day.

I personally believe a man like Chavin who can look straight at a person recording him and two others on the handcuffed subdued man's back and neck and look like it's just another day in the park, tells me he's has no problem saying things to him making Floyd believe his life was truly in jeopardy.

I've had cops say dirty shit to me only to back down once a supervisor stepped in.

So I have no doubts Chauvin said far worse, Floyd certain was no angel but Chavin given his past record was even farther away from that badge of honor.

But it's a $20 dollar criminal offense - perspective, Perspective. It was not worth all that has come in the aftermath. I'm certain Chauvin is telling himself every minute, "if only I had..."


All of this over a $20 probable charge.

If you are okay with such minor offenses such as this where no human is harmed, then cops need do SWAT raids in the Hamptons the next time a trader is caught stealing $10 million from clients, dogs, armored vehicles and bazookas if needed, drag him from his bed with his wife right there...and that going easy over a $10 million dollar crime, a far cry from a misdemeanor $20 alleged crime.

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Re: New George Floyd leaked bodycam video completely turns case upside down

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drew777 wrote:
Murdered. Was he a good guy? No. That doesn't mean the cops get to be executioner. This video changes nothing.


Exactly, over a possible (never proven) passing a fake $20 bill...even if he was guilty of passing a fake $20 bill then charges should be filed and he arrested and that's the end of it.

No person deserves death, a beating, his life choked out him over a $20 dollar bogus bill.

Neither does throwing a hungry destitute man in jail for 10 years because he stole a slice of pizza.

The imbalance of dispensing just laws is so out of whack it's despicable....in America.

Again, when looking at this video which is footage AFTER the original, ....all CC cams - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSm0Nuqomg
- showing a timeline with multiple camera angles from the beginning.

Chavin and Lane are seen crossing he street and pulling him from his vehicle. Floyd does put a struggle because he had to be wondering why he's been yanked from his vehicle instead being asked to step out of his car. Chavin isn't having that, so escalate the situation and drag him out, Chavin is the supervisor and he has a 15+ year personal acquaintance with Floyd. Guys who know other guys in that situation know that Chavin, knowing his relationship macho'd up and dragged him out with the help of Kueng. Obviously of their acquaintance was of a friendly nature..he would have patiently explained to him that he's not driving away and he must emerge from the car sooner or later. But no, he goes after him like he was arresting a killer drug cartel member. - over a bogus $20
bill charge. That kind of charged up aggression for $20.

They sit him down.

Tao's cruiser is right at his feet, but they elect to pick him up and take across the street to Chavin's cruiser.

Question is what is Chavin saying to this man he's known for all these years as he walks him across the street to Chavin's cruiser - Only Body Cams have this conversation and no one believes Chavin was wishing him happy birthday after that take down from his car.

What were Chavin's choice words?

The new video by the OP catches Floyd's panic moment before being shoved into Chavin's cruiser...clear in the OP video something has scared him, something set off an alarm to cause him fear for a 6'6" man to plead that desperately.

..and we know the rest.

Chavin being the Supv must have made the call to take him to his cruiser, as teh Supv he can make that call...but should he have done that given their 15+ year history.

Had Floyd been placed in Tao's cruiser, or Kueng's and taken in he'd be alive today and there would not be any nationwide protest this day.

I personally believe a man like Chavin who can look straight at a person recording him and two others on the handcuffed subdued man's back and neck and look like it's just another day in the park, tells me he's has no problem saying things to him making Floyd believe his life was truly in jeopardy.

I've had cops say dirty shit to me only to back down once a supervisor stepped in.

So I have no doubts Chauvin said far worse, Floyd certain was no angel but Chavin given his past record was even farther away from that badge of honor.

But it's a $20 dollar criminal offense - perspective, Perspective. It was not worth all that has come in the aftermath. I'm certain Chauvin is telling himself every minute, "if only I had..."


All of this over a $20 probable charge.

If you are okay with such minor offenses such as this where no human is harmed, then cops need do SWAT raids in the Hamptons the next time a trader is caught stealing $10 million from clients, dogs, armored vehicles and bazookas if needed, drag him from his bed with his wife right there...and that going easy over a $10 million dollar crime, a far cry from a misdemeanor $20 alleged crime.

BN747


Well being on 3 different drugs will make you act insane.

He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.
 
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Well being on 3 different drugs will make you act insane. He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.


And the State's Attorneys feel otherwise.

So I will ask: what are your legal qualifications - you know, the ones that make you more qualified than they are?
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He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.

The issue wasn't cutting off air supply (so no bruising etc.). You can tell from the videos out there that Chauvin didn't do that. The issue is: Did his actions or lack of care thereof directly lead to Floyd's death.

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Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:30 pm

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Well being on 3 different drugs will make you act insane.

He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.

Please post a source for this. Forum rules require that factual statements be accompanied by a source.

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Well being on 3 different drugs will make you act insane.

He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.

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Well I guess we can always say he died of Covid since that's all the rage right now...But the actual autopsy findings were pulled from public record probably due to the pending case against the officer involved but this article explains some of it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updat ... oronavirus
 
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I incorrectly used the edit function, but I wanted to add that he willingly put himself on the ground too.


what are you talking about? I suppose you think it was his own knee on his own neck.
 
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BN747 wrote:
drew777 wrote:
Murdered. Was he a good guy? No. That doesn't mean the cops get to be executioner. This video changes nothing.


Exactly, over a possible (never proven) passing a fake $20 bill...even if he was guilty of passing a fake $20 bill then charges should be filed and he arrested and that's the end of it.

No person deserves death, a beating, his life choked out him over a $20 dollar bogus bill.

Neither does throwing a hungry destitute man in jail for 10 years because he stole a slice of pizza.

The imbalance of dispensing just laws is so out of whack it's despicable....in America.

Again, when looking at this video which is footage AFTER the original, ....all CC cams - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSm0Nuqomg
- showing a timeline with multiple camera angles from the beginning.

Chavin and Lane are seen crossing he street and pulling him from his vehicle. Floyd does put a struggle because he had to be wondering why he's been yanked from his vehicle instead being asked to step out of his car. Chavin isn't having that, so escalate the situation and drag him out, Chavin is the supervisor and he has a 15+ year personal acquaintance with Floyd. Guys who know other guys in that situation know that Chavin, knowing his relationship macho'd up and dragged him out with the help of Kueng. Obviously of their acquaintance was of a friendly nature..he would have patiently explained to him that he's not driving away and he must emerge from the car sooner or later. But no, he goes after him like he was arresting a killer drug cartel member. - over a bogus $20
bill charge. That kind of charged up aggression for $20.

They sit him down.

Tao's cruiser is right at his feet, but they elect to pick him up and take across the street to Chavin's cruiser.

Question is what is Chavin saying to this man he's known for all these years as he walks him across the street to Chavin's cruiser - Only Body Cams have this conversation and no one believes Chavin was wishing him happy birthday after that take down from his car.

What were Chavin's choice words?

The new video by the OP catches Floyd's panic moment before being shoved into Chavin's cruiser...clear in the OP video something has scared him, something set off an alarm to cause him fear for a 6'6" man to plead that desperately.

..and we know the rest.

Chavin being the Supv must have made the call to take him to his cruiser, as teh Supv he can make that call...but should he have done that given their 15+ year history.

Had Floyd been placed in Tao's cruiser, or Kueng's and taken in he'd be alive today and there would not be any nationwide protest this day.

I personally believe a man like Chavin who can look straight at a person recording him and two others on the handcuffed subdued man's back and neck and look like it's just another day in the park, tells me he's has no problem saying things to him making Floyd believe his life was truly in jeopardy.

I've had cops say dirty shit to me only to back down once a supervisor stepped in.

So I have no doubts Chauvin said far worse, Floyd certain was no angel but Chavin given his past record was even farther away from that badge of honor.

But it's a $20 dollar criminal offense - perspective, Perspective. It was not worth all that has come in the aftermath. I'm certain Chauvin is telling himself every minute, "if only I had..."


All of this over a $20 probable charge.

If you are okay with such minor offenses such as this where no human is harmed, then cops need do SWAT raids in the Hamptons the next time a trader is caught stealing $10 million from clients, dogs, armored vehicles and bazookas if needed, drag him from his bed with his wife right there...and that going easy over a $10 million dollar crime, a far cry from a misdemeanor $20 alleged crime.

BN747


Well being on 3 different drugs will make you act insane.

He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.


....Oh brother. if you can hold your breath for 9 mins straight.. you might makes sense.

When you sleep, your body rises and falls, expands and contract..it is taking in oxygen and expelling carbon dioxide.
Now try it...hold your breathe for nine minutes or have 3 guys on you and one on your neck pinching your carotid artery, The carotid arteries are major blood vessels in the neck that supply blood to the brain, neck, and face. There are two carotid arteries, one on the right and one on the left.
that will starve everyone's brain of oxygen. And don't forget the two other men on your back keeping your diaphragm from expanding (aka taking in oxygen)...the current supply of oxygen remaining in your body is used how?


It is being burned up 'energy - just the Sun does burn H2O to create energy - your energy is rapidly weakening struggling to get much needed oxygen to sustain energy burn.
Yelling, screaming even talking increases your energy burn rate..depleting all energy triggering organ failure.

Where in that is in question?

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@BN747
Black trouser, black car, black skin. I can't see clearly what happened, but I don't need to. Why would the autopsy lie?
Now if the autopsy had said something else we may doubt, but it appears the division of powers is working.

What do you actually demand? Should there be more division of power?
Once there are specific proposals one can discuss advantages and possible unintended consequences.
One could try different institutional arrangements in different cities and see which works best.

So what is it these protests are trying to achieve?

Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mandela, Lech Walesa.
Not always true, but often protests require an authoritarian leadership style by a certain type of personality.

Also: Beside me you were unfriendly to several others in the Southern Flag and other racial discussions. Can you share why you get so upset?
It would help me understand you better.
I shall assume that no policeman put his knee in your neck.

I think the black community needs to find itself a better victim. I'm not defending the policeman, but I do feel more sympathy for MLK.

Are these protests leading to a productive outcome or are they destroying goodwill among the non racist white majority?

That's by the way a good way to bring up children. If a child makes a mistake it's good for the parent to share what one feels. Once we know why somebody feels how he feels, we feel empathy.
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:38 am

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Well being on 3 different drugs will make you act insane.

He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.

Please post a source for this. Forum rules require that factual statements be accompanied by a source.

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i am sorry, i was just hinting at his initial autopsy that i assume everyone has seen. someone else linked it for me though, thankfully.
 
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@BN747
Black trouser, black car, black skin. I can't see clearly what happened, but I don't need to. Why would the autopsy lie?
Now if the autopsy had said something else we may doubt, but it appears the division of powers is working.

What do you actually demand? Should there be more division of power?
Once there are specific proposals one can discuss advantages and possible unintended consequences.
One could try different institutional arrangements in different cities and see which works best.

So what is it these protests are trying to achieve?

Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mandela, Lech Walesa.
Not always true, but often protests require an authoritarian leadership style by a certain type of personality.

Also: Beside me you were unfriendly to several others in the Southern Flag and other racial discussions. Can you share why you get so upset?
It would help me understand you better.
I shall assume that no policeman put his knee in your neck.

I think the black community needs to find itself a better victim. I'm not defending the policeman, but I do feel more sympathy for MLK.

Are these protests leading to a productive outcome or are they destroying goodwill among the non racist white majority?

That's by the way a good way to bring up children. If a child makes a mistake it's good for the parent to share what one feels. Once we know why somebody feels how he feels, we feel empathy.


My friend, you're far too light on knowledge of race in general (mixing the racist Ghandi in with the other three proves that) and practically empty on race relations in America for to even attempt to discuss this centuries old problem, I can not assist. But the Internet can help get you there if you apply yourself. A suggestion...the leave the Jesus fables out of processing what you'll come across, it'll only confuse matters beyond repair.

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A suggestion...the leave the Jesus fables out of processing what you'll come across, it'll only confuse matters beyond repair.

BN747

Are you sure the white people are the only one that suffer from prejudices?
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Sokes wrote:
BN747 wrote:
A suggestion...the leave the Jesus fables out of processing what you'll come across, it'll only confuse matters beyond repair.

BN747

Are you sure the white people are the only one that suffer from prejudices?


That's not what I said and that is not true.

Nearly every one holds some sort of prejudices of some kind.

Not everyone is racist either.

But when the state sanctions (makes laws and enforces such laws) on a system of division based on ethnicities, skin color, etc...that is institutionalized racism.

Apartheid was exactly that.
England enforced such social codes throughout the Commonwealth for centuries.

America was that way for most of it's existence and the shadow of it is still flowing through many institutions and organizations to this day.

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It is being burned up 'energy - just the Sun does burn H2O to create energy


The sun burns H2O? AKA water??
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It is being burned up 'energy - just the Sun does burn H2O to create energy


The sun burns H2O? AKA water??


Water is mostly hydrogen, two parts to oxygens' one, and all energy burns require oxygen to sustain that burn...So take your pick.

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Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:47 pm

Veigar wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Well being on 3 different drugs will make you act insane.

He died of a heart attack. They found him to have advanced heart disease. The ME noted that there was no damage or bruising to his neck or windpipe, and he did not suffocate. So I do not think this was a murder.

Please post a source for this. Forum rules require that factual statements be accompanied by a source.

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i am sorry, i was just hinting at his initial autopsy that i assume everyone has seen. someone else linked it for me though, thankfully.


Like many "sensational" events, the Floyd death has been exaggerated.

He was being arrested. But he WAS having a medical emergency. He was extremely fragile because of cardiac disease and appeared to be having a panic attack. He had minutes to live, but he could not convince the police to let go. They only arrested him harder.

I think it's stretching it to say they outright murdered him. But they were cruel to him (by not responding to a potential medical emergency), and it turned out the stress of the incident induced a fatal heart attack. Did the police kill him, apparently not. According to the board certified medical examiner, he died of natural causes. Possibly exacerbated by poor police behavior. I'm not a board certified pathologist. Neither are most of the commentators and activists. It would be great if all of the non-pathologists would not offer their opinion on what killed George Floyd. The more we hear from non-pathologists, which disinforms us, the more ignorant we become.
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:49 pm

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Veigar wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Please post a source for this. Forum rules require that factual statements be accompanied by a source.

✈️ atcsundevil


i am sorry, i was just hinting at his initial autopsy that i assume everyone has seen. someone else linked it for me though, thankfully.


Like many "sensational" events, the Floyd death has been exaggerated.

He was being arrested. But he WAS having a medical emergency. He was extremely fragile because of cardiac disease and appeared to be having a panic attack. He had minutes to live, but he could not convince the police to let go. They only arrested him harder.

I think it's stretching it to say they outright murdered him. But they were cruel to him (by not responding to a potential medical emergency), and it turned out the stress of the incident induced a fatal heart attack. Did the police kill him, apparently not. According to the board certified medical examiner, he died of natural causes. Possibly exacerbated by poor police behavior. I'm not a board certified pathologist. Neither are most of the commentators and activists. It would be great if all of the non-pathologists would not offer their opinion on what killed George Floyd. The more we hear from non-pathologists, which disinforms us, the more ignorant we become.


A cop forced his knee into Floyd's neck for over eight minutes while it was obvious Floyd was struggling to breathe.

It's definitely murder.
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:19 pm

So if you give someone a great big firm hug and they have cardiac arrest or an aneurysm that very second, would that be murder?

If the autopsy confirmed he was not choked to death and it was caused by other causes (drugs, heart failure, etc...) - I don't see how that is murder. The guy was tripping, let's be clear. The police were being as respectful to him as they could be. I saw no excessive force and even respect given while being placed into the car, offering to open the windows, have the air on, standing nearby for his 'phobia'. There was no excessive force being used at that point. He couldn't breath prior to even being taken out of the car. Who's to say he wasn't in cardiac arrest at that time, already?

Not justifying the officers action of kneeing on his neck for the duration of time. But the more facts coming out of this investigation, the more it seems like the dude was on his way out anyway... The stress may have just expedited it, which was likely caused by his own use of a cocktail of drugs, anyway.

I'm sure this isn't the first time, white, black or yellow, that someone has had heart failure or some other medical issue at the time of arrest that killed them.
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:25 pm

mbmbos wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Veigar wrote:

i am sorry, i was just hinting at his initial autopsy that i assume everyone has seen. someone else linked it for me though, thankfully.


Like many "sensational" events, the Floyd death has been exaggerated.

He was being arrested. But he WAS having a medical emergency. He was extremely fragile because of cardiac disease and appeared to be having a panic attack. He had minutes to live, but he could not convince the police to let go. They only arrested him harder.

I think it's stretching it to say they outright murdered him. But they were cruel to him (by not responding to a potential medical emergency), and it turned out the stress of the incident induced a fatal heart attack. Did the police kill him, apparently not. According to the board certified medical examiner, he died of natural causes. Possibly exacerbated by poor police behavior. I'm not a board certified pathologist. Neither are most of the commentators and activists. It would be great if all of the non-pathologists would not offer their opinion on what killed George Floyd. The more we hear from non-pathologists, which disinforms us, the more ignorant we become.


A cop forced his knee into Floyd's neck for over eight minutes while it was obvious Floyd was struggling to breathe.

It's definitely murder.


I think it was murder too, because an unapproved police hold apparently led to a heart attack. I do not find Dr. Baden credible. Are we supposed to believe that Floyd asphyxiated, but coincidentally he also had a fatal heart attack that day? Maybe he couldn't breathe because he was having the fatal heart attack that was documented by the pathologist.

This will end up a medical drama in court. I have sat on a jury when a non-credible lawsuit doctor attacked the credentials of the plaintiff's real doctor, whose credentials were impeccable and whose reputation in the community is impeccable. All because the guy's real orthopedist would not confirm the personal injury claim. It made me so mad, as a juror.

Retired doctors do this from Florida, make a big pile of cash to work for plaintiff attorneys. What a mess.
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:28 pm

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So if you give someone a great big firm hug and they have cardiac arrest or an aneurysm that very second, would that be murder?

If the autopsy confirmed he was not choked to death and it was caused by other causes (drugs, heart failure, etc...) - I don't see how that is murder. The guy was tripping, let's be clear. The police were being as respectful to him as they could be. I saw no excessive force and even respect given while being placed into the car, offering to open the windows, have the air on, standing nearby for his 'phobia'. There was no excessive force being used at that point. He couldn't breath prior to even being taken out of the car. Who's to say he wasn't in cardiac arrest at that time, already?

Not justifying the officers action of kneeing on his neck for the duration of time. But the more facts coming out of this investigation, the more it seems like the dude was on his way out anyway... The stress may have just expedited it, which was likely caused by his own use of a cocktail of drugs, anyway.

I'm sure this isn't the first time, white, black or yellow, that someone has had heart failure or some other medical issue at the time of arrest that killed them.


What a contrived and far-fetched argument. And you compare actively forcing a knee into someone's throat with a hug?
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:19 pm

This seems like more "blame the victim" when the victim is a minority. The police are supposed to be all knowing and kind and all that. So, when someone in their custody starts screaming "I CAN'T BREATHE!" and the police let him die, what are we supposed to think? Oh, that's right: George Floyd was nothing but a criminal. Not human, but a criminal. Blame the victim.
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:44 pm

The bigger issue here is that the officer has been overcharged. Keith Ellison upgraded the charges from third degree murder to second degree murder. Second degree murder requires proving an intent to kill, rather than depraved indifference to human life. That's a heavy legal burden - especially after watching the entirety of the bodycam video.

By overcharging Chauvin an acquittal is much more likely. If Chauvin is acquitted just wait for the rioting that will ensue.

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Is it standard for cops there to whip their guns out at the slightest bit of resistance?
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:38 pm

As a juror I'd still vote to convict of the harshest penalty for the officer.
 
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As a juror I'd still vote to convict of the harshest penalty for the officer.

You wouldn’t wait to hear the evidence first?
 
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As a juror I'd still vote to convict of the harshest penalty for the officer.

You wouldn’t wait to hear the evidence first?


I see the evidence in the tapes. A person caused the death of another when it was not necessary for the protection of their own life.
 
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The bigger issue here is that the officer has been overcharged. Keith Ellison upgraded the charges from third degree murder to second degree murder. Second degree murder requires proving an intent to kill, rather than depraved indifference to human life. That's a heavy legal burden - especially after watching the entirety of the bodycam video.

By overcharging Chauvin an acquittal is much more likely. If Chauvin is acquitted just wait for the rioting that will ensue.

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I believe it's manslaughter and a conviction is more easily attained than murder. No matter the new video once you get a suspect in custody you shouldn't be doing what this officer was doing.
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LabQuest wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
LabQuest wrote:
As a juror I'd still vote to convict of the harshest penalty for the officer.

You wouldn’t wait to hear the evidence first?


I see the evidence in the tapes. A person caused the death of another when it was not necessary for the protection of their own life.

So you would just ignore the law? To be guilty of second degree murder the officer had to have intended to kill Floyd.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:40 am

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LabQuest wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
You wouldn’t wait to hear the evidence first?


I see the evidence in the tapes. A person caused the death of another when it was not necessary for the protection of their own life.

So you would just ignore the law? To be guilty of second degree murder the officer had to have intended to kill Floyd.


I believed he did based on the tapes. His own colleagues voiced their objections to his actions.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:41 am

LabQuest wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
LabQuest wrote:

I see the evidence in the tapes. A person caused the death of another when it was not necessary for the protection of their own life.

So you would just ignore the law? To be guilty of second degree murder the officer had to have intended to kill Floyd.


I believed he did based on the tapes. His own colleagues voiced their objections to his actions.

You didn’t actually watch the full body cam footage, did you?
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:40 am

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LabQuest wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
So you would just ignore the law? To be guilty of second degree murder the officer had to have intended to kill Floyd.


I believed he did based on the tapes. His own colleagues voiced their objections to his actions.

You didn’t actually watch the full body cam footage, did you?


Yes I did. His actions led to the unnecessary death of a person.

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