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75 Years Since Nagasaki Atom Bomb

Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:36 pm

Today marks the 75 year anniversary of the atomic bombing of Nagasaki, Japan and it was the second atom bomb dropped on Japan after Hiroshima. Very sad that the atom bomb on Nagasaki is overlooked by the one on Hiroshima.
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Re: 75 Years Since Nagasaki Atom Bomb

Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:32 am

As much as we shall remember Hirishima I think it is also a reminder on the warfare that was tried by Luftwaffe in coventry later mastered by first RAF and later taken over by the USAF in the 1950s Russian airforce. Starting in cities like Köln, Hamburg, Tokyo Dresden it became totally OK to make firestorms in cities.

The war planning during cold war was to make a Hiroshima of every city in Europe and the states and send the surviving population back to stone age.

Seeing Nato and Warzaw war plans in case of a war would without using the strategic bombs, made Germany, Poland and rest of central Europe into one desert.
 
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Re: 75 Years Since Nagasaki Atom Bomb

Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:37 am

An interesting movie that change the whole discussion about how nuclear war was executed was the BBC Threads from 1984.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHoMSR ... Geq0rZMiXL

If you have not seen it you should.
 
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Re: 75 Years Since Nagasaki Atom Bomb

Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:39 pm

The bomb that hit Nagasaki was supposed to be dropped on Kokura instead. A recon/weather plane had cleared Kokura but the weather changed and smoke drifted in from another city that had been conventionally bombed. If it hadn't, most people would have never heard of Nagasaki and would be speaking of Kokura instead.

The crew was desperate to drop the bomb rather than having to jettison it off to sea since they would not make it back to a friendly airfield with it aboard. Therefore they saw an opening in the clouds over Nagasaki and used that as their target, but they were off target by two miles.

Strange how the fate of so many are decided by circumstance, no?

As per the other thread, the bombings really didn't influence the Japanese leaders. They had already lost 60 cities to bombings, losing two more didn't change their thinking at all. The "peace faction" and the "war faction" were in a deadlock. Their hope was that they could convince the USSR to broker peace, even though this was never a realistic hope since Stalin had already decided he wanted influence and war spoils in Asia. When USSR invaded Manchuria the illusion that they could be a peace broker was gone and the peace faction won out.
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Re: 75 Years Since Nagasaki Atom Bomb

Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:44 pm

Estimated deaths at Hiroshima were 115,000 and 65,000 at Nagasaki. US COVID19 deaths are at 162,000 so past Hiroshima and if projections are to be believed we should be past the sum of these in October or so.
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Re: 75 Years Since Nagasaki Atom Bomb

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:21 pm

olle wrote:
An interesting movie that change the whole discussion about how nuclear war was executed was the BBC Threads from 1984.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHoMSR ... Geq0rZMiXL

If you have not seen it you should.


Agreed, the best (worst?) by far.
While it had a tenth of the budget of The Day After, Threads was in fact a development of a documentary made by the BBC in 1982, by the same director, 'A Guide To Armageddon' which can be found on You Tube.
However, to be fair to the makers of The Day After, they took it as far as they could for a mainstream US TV network in 1983.
Even then, they did not sell any commercials for it, so it became a TV film.

Threads was cut from a different cloth, a narrator came in every so often explaining not only the UK's plans for war then but the aftermath too, he was a voice well known to UK science documentaries.
Then the list of advisors, it's huge, from well known scientists like Carl Sagan, to more discreet advice from military/security experts, the writer and director also managed to get themselves on the training programs that local councils did, to become, in the event of war, regional controllers.

The Sheffield City Council had a housing project due for demolition, so they let the filmmakers use it.
Same with the hospital scene (way more horrific and realistic than a similar part of The Day After), Threads had use of a decommissioned hospital.
Most of all though, Threads did not shy away from the aftermath, in jumps of days after the attack, weeks, months and up to 13 years later.

Re-released on DVD/Blu Ray in 2018, with additional content including from director Mick Jackson, to the actress who played 'Ruth', in what was, remarkably, her first proper acting role.
Most of the actors were not well known, they were from the area, many being in local theatre, which helped with realism, no distracting 'names'.
Though Recce Dinsdale who played 'Jimmy' has gone to to a long career mainly in TV and stage.

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