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Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:19 pm

Downtown was trashed and police officers were shot at after hundreds of rioters descended on downtown Chicago around midnight last night.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/widespread-l ... d-shooting
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:32 pm

Apparently this was sparked by a police shooting of a male in his 20s. It is being reported that the suspect shot at police before the police opened fire in return.

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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:34 pm

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Apparently this was sparked by a police shooting of a male in his 20s. It is being reported that the suspect shot at police before the police opened fire in return.

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/widespread-l ... d-shooting


Nothing that a few years in prison for those caught rioting shouldn't fix.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:06 pm

Looks like a lot of misinformation and escalated tensions led to more protests and riots.
It will need to be seen what happens going forward with the police and looters.
This incident seems to be sparked initially by a police involved shooting earlier on Sunday.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/08/09 ... englewood/

The initial incident seems to arise from a suicide by cop incident.
Police were called around 3:20 p.m. to the 5700 block of South Racine Avenue for a person with a gun.

Officers found a man in an alley who matched the description they were given and they attempted to confront him, police said.

The suspect then fled from officers and during the chase, he took out a gun and fired shots at the officers, police said.

The officers fired back and struck the gunman, police said.


Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.


https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/08/10 ... shut-down/

On Sunday on the South Side, chaos erupted in Englewood after police shot a suspect. Officers shot and wounded a suspect who was firing at them in Englewood Sunday afternoon, police said. Video showed crowds gathering about an hour later that led to tense moments with police. CPD Supt. David Brown confirmed the overnight looting was a coordinated response to the police involved shooting in Englewood.



In all of this we will have to wait for official reports on the initial incident, but it seems that the resulting incidents will have many more arrests as the escalated destruction was criminal in nature, and mostly due to misinformation about the initial incident.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:39 pm

Locally here in Florida, local news outlets, mostly newspapers have now made more news when police kill people who have guns on them or are shooting at them. Just this weekend police was in the lookout for a convicted felon who assaulted someone and was walking around a public area during daylight with a handgun. Police encountered him and shots were fired from this felon and he was shot and later died from his wounds. The local news outlets were quick to ask "why?" was this man killed and "what happened?".

Now it seems putting into scrutiny police because they shoot criminals who are shooting back is something to notice and make fuss about. Like what happened in Atlanta.

The MSM is directly responsible for creating this and the continuous attack on law enforcement. This is going to lead to more riots on the long run.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:11 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Locally here in Florida, local news outlets, mostly newspapers have now made more news when police kill people who have guns on them or are shooting at them. Just this weekend police was in the lookout for a convicted felon who assaulted someone and was walking around a public area during daylight with a handgun. Police encountered him and shots were fired from this felon and he was shot and later died from his wounds. The local news outlets were quick to ask "why?" was this man killed and "what happened?".

Now it seems putting into scrutiny police because they shoot criminals who are shooting back is something to notice and make fuss about. Like what happened in Atlanta.

The MSM is directly responsible for creating this and the continuous attack on law enforcement. This is going to lead to more riots on the long run.


A justified police shooting will never get much attention the MSM will always spin this to fit the anti-police narrative. There needs to be police reforms granted but it's a two way street folks.. I know I wouldn't want to be a cop right now.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:32 pm

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Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.


So were these rioters forced at gunpoint or threat to loot or did they do it of their own free will I would ask?
The only thing I am seeing is the rioters values, beliefs and moral compass.

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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Can someone explain to me when people feel that the police acted improperly that means you can steal stuff?
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:02 pm

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Can someone explain to me when people feel that the police acted improperly that means you can steal stuff?


To think that looters, arsonists and anarchist 'feel' anything because police did something wrong is a bit far off.

These people will take advantage of any moment there is to do something they have always wanted to do (something criminal) either with or without the existence of police brutality. Criminals will be criminals always, just that recently they seem to have the backing of the MSM and many leftists politicians.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:49 am

Okie wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.


So were these rioters forced at gunpoint or threat to loot or did they do it of their own free will I would ask?
The only thing I am seeing is the rioters values, beliefs and moral compass.

Okie

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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:20 am

casinterest wrote:
Looks like a lot of misinformation and escalated tensions led to more protests and riots.
It will need to be seen what happens going forward with the police and looters.
This incident seems to be sparked initially by a police involved shooting earlier on Sunday.

Police were called around 3:20 p.m. to the 5700 block of South Racine Avenue for a person with a gun.

Officers found a man in an alley who matched the description they were given and they attempted to confront him, police said.

The suspect then fled from officers and during the chase, he took out a gun and fired shots at the officers, police said.

The officers fired back and struck the gunman, police said.


Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.

In all of this we will have to wait for official reports on the initial incident, but it seems that the resulting incidents will have many more arrests as the escalated destruction was criminal in nature, and mostly due to misinformation about the initial incident.

The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:35 am

Rampant and unchecked firearms possession, increasing precarity and helplessness of lower social classes, worsening education system, runaway Chinese whispers on uncontrolled social media, increasing wealth gap...

What could possibly go wrong? :bomb:

Of course, with the deep political cleavage in the US, both sides will just keep uselessly blaming each other instead of looking at the real underlying issues... Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:03 am

A reversal of society is taking place. People are saying that rather than police being physically dominant, as representatives of an elected government, they want young truants, who have no training, and do not follow any laws, to physically dominate the community. This appears to be a bizarre and sick negation of civilization.

Whatever the way is to reform police, this isn't the way.

If you want to get in an arms race with the US government, you will not win. The elected government, as authorized by the People, will win. People need to understand that when they break the laws of our elected government, they need to submit to lawful arrest. And never illegally threaten anyone. Especially do not threaten anyone who is armed.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:44 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Looks like a lot of misinformation and escalated tensions led to more protests and riots.
It will need to be seen what happens going forward with the police and looters.
This incident seems to be sparked initially by a police involved shooting earlier on Sunday.

Police were called around 3:20 p.m. to the 5700 block of South Racine Avenue for a person with a gun.

Officers found a man in an alley who matched the description they were given and they attempted to confront him, police said.

The suspect then fled from officers and during the chase, he took out a gun and fired shots at the officers, police said.

The officers fired back and struck the gunman, police said.


Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.

In all of this we will have to wait for official reports on the initial incident, but it seems that the resulting incidents will have many more arrests as the escalated destruction was criminal in nature, and mostly due to misinformation about the initial incident.

The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.


That is how most police forces do it in the civilized world. It isn't meek if it works and it keeps riots from occurring.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:10 am

Francoflier wrote:
Rampant and unchecked firearms possession, increasing precarity and helplessness of lower social classes, worsening education system, runaway Chinese whispers on uncontrolled social media, increasing wealth gap...

What could possibly go wrong? :bomb:

Of course, with the deep political cleavage in the US, both sides will just keep uselessly blaming each other instead of looking at the real underlying issues... Wash, rinse, repeat.


Hear, hear. A bunch of sycophants as always on these threads - reacting to symptoms and unable to name the obvious disease.

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:15 pm

casinterest wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Looks like a lot of misinformation and escalated tensions led to more protests and riots.
It will need to be seen what happens going forward with the police and looters.
This incident seems to be sparked initially by a police involved shooting earlier on Sunday.



Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.

In all of this we will have to wait for official reports on the initial incident, but it seems that the resulting incidents will have many more arrests as the escalated destruction was criminal in nature, and mostly due to misinformation about the initial incident.

The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.


That is how most police forces do it in the civilized world. It isn't meek if it works and it keeps riots from occurring.


Police officers don't have to worry about being shot in the civilized world. Also, waiting until you are struck by a bullet before engaging an armed and dangerous suspect is a horrible strategy.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:44 pm

N583JB wrote:
casinterest wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.


That is how most police forces do it in the civilized world. It isn't meek if it works and it keeps riots from occurring.


Police officers don't have to worry about being shot in the civilized world. Also, waiting until you are struck by a bullet before engaging an armed and dangerous suspect is a horrible strategy.


The US is the wealthiest country by far in the developed world, with the best resources. Why is this even a problem at all?? See Francoflier’s post above for the obvious answer.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:47 pm

Regarding the OP's title...aren't riots by definition "mass"?
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:00 pm

N583JB wrote:
casinterest wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.


That is how most police forces do it in the civilized world. It isn't meek if it works and it keeps riots from occurring.


Police officers don't have to worry about being shot in the civilized world. Also, waiting until you are struck by a bullet before engaging an armed and dangerous suspect is a horrible strategy.


Those that work towards escalation instead of deescalation always find a way to explain their actions, but the end result is still a mess.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:26 pm

casinterest wrote:
N583JB wrote:
casinterest wrote:

That is how most police forces do it in the civilized world. It isn't meek if it works and it keeps riots from occurring.


Police officers don't have to worry about being shot in the civilized world. Also, waiting until you are struck by a bullet before engaging an armed and dangerous suspect is a horrible strategy.


Those that work towards escalation instead of deescalation always find a way to explain their actions, but the end result is still a mess.

Let me put it so - one of the things police officers have to do is to protect John Q. Public, such as yours truly.
Someone with a gun, willing, able and prepared to fire at another person - that is is pretty close to the top of threat list. Probably below someone with a pipe bomb or VX gas - but still up there.
I don't know what are the proper de-escalation approaches to use given that police cannot know the reason for that loaded gun being carried around, and _is_ actually used against people; assumption that it is to be used on another person is pretty feasible. So letting that gunman go shouldn't be on a table. Non-violent crimes - I would agree, find the guy later and give him hard time. Violence, especially deadly violence, though....

We may talk about proper social policy and all that - but that is not something police officer can do being under fire.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:44 pm

kalvado wrote:
casinterest wrote:
N583JB wrote:

Police officers don't have to worry about being shot in the civilized world. Also, waiting until you are struck by a bullet before engaging an armed and dangerous suspect is a horrible strategy.


Those that work towards escalation instead of deescalation always find a way to explain their actions, but the end result is still a mess.

Let me put it so - one of the things police officers have to do is to protect John Q. Public, such as yours truly.
Someone with a gun, willing, able and prepared to fire at another person - that is is pretty close to the top of threat list. Probably below someone with a pipe bomb or VX gas - but still up there.
I don't know what are the proper de-escalation approaches to use given that police cannot know the reason for that loaded gun being carried around, and _is_ actually used against people; assumption that it is to be used on another person is pretty feasible. So letting that gunman go shouldn't be on a table. Non-violent crimes - I would agree, find the guy later and give him hard time. Violence, especially deadly violence, though....

We may talk about proper social policy and all that - but that is not something police officer can do being under fire.


The guy with the gun escalated. I am discussing these protests and barricade lines being formed. It would be better for cops to monitor as part of the crowd than set up perimeter's to antagonize.
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:07 pm

It's official BLM supports the rioters of Chicago:

“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, said. “That makes sure that person has clothes.”
Black Lives Matter Chicago organized the rally after overnight unrest throughout the city, with police saying that more than 100 individuals were taken into custody for a variety of offenses, including looting.

“That is reparations,” Atkins said. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/b ... y/2320365/

So are we supposed to treat BLM as a mainstream 'civil rights' organization now that they are record to supporting the organized and well coordinated looting in Chicago as 'reparations'?
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:49 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
It's official BLM supports the rioters of Chicago:

“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, said. “That makes sure that person has clothes.”
Black Lives Matter Chicago organized the rally after overnight unrest throughout the city, with police saying that more than 100 individuals were taken into custody for a variety of offenses, including looting.

“That is reparations,” Atkins said. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/b ... y/2320365/

So are we supposed to treat BLM as a mainstream 'civil rights' organization now that they are record to supporting the organized and well coordinated looting in Chicago as 'reparations'?


Still tunnel-visioned on the symptoms. See Francoflier’s post above to diagnose the disease. Only then is discussion possible.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:00 am

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
It's official BLM supports the rioters of Chicago:

“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, said. “That makes sure that person has clothes.”
Black Lives Matter Chicago organized the rally after overnight unrest throughout the city, with police saying that more than 100 individuals were taken into custody for a variety of offenses, including looting.

“That is reparations,” Atkins said. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/b ... y/2320365/

So are we supposed to treat BLM as a mainstream 'civil rights' organization now that they are record to supporting the organized and well coordinated looting in Chicago as 'reparations'?


Still tunnel-visioned on the symptoms. See Francoflier’s post above to diagnose the disease. Only then is discussion possible.


What does that have to do with my post? I am posting facts here about BLM and how they are on the record supporting criminal behavior by gangs and organized groups.

I am not getting into diagnosing anything nor talking about why people carefully organized a riot. This is a law and order issue.

If anything these cities which are mostly led by democrats have failed miserably to their communities. They have ruled these cities for generations. If we want to start diagnosing the issues we start by the corruption these cities have had for decades.

If you would like a nice way to actually diagnose why this happens in these cities I suggest you take some time and see the HBO series "the wire". Can't think of anything that fully captures the failings and miseries of inner city America which are caused by a whole host of actors, public schools, politicians, etc.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:43 am

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
It's official BLM supports the rioters of Chicago:

“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, said. “That makes sure that person has clothes.”
Black Lives Matter Chicago organized the rally after overnight unrest throughout the city, with police saying that more than 100 individuals were taken into custody for a variety of offenses, including looting.

“That is reparations,” Atkins said. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/b ... y/2320365/

So are we supposed to treat BLM as a mainstream 'civil rights' organization now that they are record to supporting the organized and well coordinated looting in Chicago as 'reparations'?


Still tunnel-visioned on the symptoms. See Francoflier’s post above to diagnose the disease. Only then is discussion possible.

Ah, yes. The soft bigotry of low expectations.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:59 am

VTKillarney wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
It's official BLM supports the rioters of Chicago:



https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/b ... y/2320365/

So are we supposed to treat BLM as a mainstream 'civil rights' organization now that they are record to supporting the organized and well coordinated looting in Chicago as 'reparations'?


Still tunnel-visioned on the symptoms. See Francoflier’s post above to diagnose the disease. Only then is discussion possible.

Ah, yes. The soft bigotry of low expectations.


Aww how cute. Again, to keep it real:

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:06 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
It's official BLM supports the rioters of Chicago:



https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/b ... y/2320365/

So are we supposed to treat BLM as a mainstream 'civil rights' organization now that they are record to supporting the organized and well coordinated looting in Chicago as 'reparations'?


Still tunnel-visioned on the symptoms. See Francoflier’s post above to diagnose the disease. Only then is discussion possible.


What does that have to do with my post? I am posting facts here about BLM and how they are on the record supporting criminal behavior by gangs and organized groups.

I am not getting into diagnosing anything nor talking about why people carefully organized a riot. This is a law and order issue.

If anything these cities which are mostly led by democrats have failed miserably to their communities. They have ruled these cities for generations. If we want to start diagnosing the issues we start by the corruption these cities have had for decades.

If you would like a nice way to actually diagnose why this happens in these cities I suggest you take some time and see the HBO series "the wire". Can't think of anything that fully captures the failings and miseries of inner city America which are caused by a whole host of actors, public schools, politicians, etc.


My comment has everything to do with your post - your post is proving Francoflier’s point about ‘wash rinse repeat’ blame games in our country’s politics. Perhaps a retired 747 captain is not an authority to you, but I guarantee he is more worldly and experienced in some of these matters than you can imagine.

And I don’t need an education from The Wire - many moons ago I worked with community investment and land developers in both Oakland and SF.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:09 am

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These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.

Oh, please. Young people in most countries don’t have a more tangible stake in their future. Our Democratic system is not unique and there are plenty of countries with less democratic institutions.

Just be honest. You were engaging in the soft bigotry of low expectations. It’s practically the official Democrat platform.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:07 am

VTKillarney wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.

Oh, please. Young people in most countries don’t have a more tangible stake in their future. Our Democratic system is not unique and there are plenty of countries with less democratic institutions.

Just be honest. You were engaging in the soft bigotry of low expectations. It’s practically the official Democrat platform.


When is the last time you spoke to Australian, German or Korean 20-somethings? I have hired all three in the last eight years.

Not going to play your little right wing pet cutesy-phrase virtue signaling game. Just admit that you personally don’t understand or experience the full ramifications of the uniquely American (among developed countries) wealth gap expansion. Our nearest competitor on the wealth gap chart is South Africa - not good company.

That’s why Francoflier’s post was A-game spot on.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:31 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Looks like a lot of misinformation and escalated tensions led to more protests and riots.
It will need to be seen what happens going forward with the police and looters.
This incident seems to be sparked initially by a police involved shooting earlier on Sunday.

Police were called around 3:20 p.m. to the 5700 block of South Racine Avenue for a person with a gun.

Officers found a man in an alley who matched the description they were given and they attempted to confront him, police said.

The suspect then fled from officers and during the chase, he took out a gun and fired shots at the officers, police said.

The officers fired back and struck the gunman, police said.


Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.

In all of this we will have to wait for official reports on the initial incident, but it seems that the resulting incidents will have many more arrests as the escalated destruction was criminal in nature, and mostly due to misinformation about the initial incident.

The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.



Typical my side good, their side bad mentality. The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed and it’s far more complex than your partisan blame game.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:53 am

Aaron747 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Still tunnel-visioned on the symptoms. See Francoflier’s post above to diagnose the disease. Only then is discussion possible.

Ah, yes. The soft bigotry of low expectations.


Aww how cute. Again, to keep it real:

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.



You’re right, but you’ll never convince the rabid partisans you’re speaking with. They love to blame the “mainstream media” when in reality it’s the politicians they support that propagate this divisiveness. The increasingly authoritarian right continues to escalate their attacks on the media, which is one of the most important pillars of democracy. They’re gullible pawns, completely unaware that they’re part of the problem. The GOP has worked for decades convincing Americans to distrust the media and here we are today. They can easily lie, demonize the other side and reduce complex social issues to shallow internet memes.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:32 am

Aaron747 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Still tunnel-visioned on the symptoms. See Francoflier’s post above to diagnose the disease. Only then is discussion possible.

Ah, yes. The soft bigotry of low expectations.


Aww how cute. Again, to keep it real:

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.


That's absolute nonsense. Take eastern Europe as an example, young people have almost no stake in their own future because elections are either fixed or you have the same politicians that keep on ruling different countries. How many years has it been since Orban took power? Do you honestly think your average Hungarian teenager thinks: oh well, I am not going to purchase a gun and riot in downtown Budapest because I will defeat him at the next election.

I come from a country that has an extremely corrupt political system and one of the highest gun ownership rate per capita. We've never had a mass shooting. So obviously what you are saying isn't true. What we do have is respect for the army, police and the country we live in. How do you expect young Americans to respect anything when they grew up with disgusting rap or hip hop songs that glorify crime, guns, bit..es and so on.

Chicago is my favorite city in the US and I am very familiar with what's going on there. You go to areas like Northbrook or Riverwoods and when you call 911 they show up within moments. Then you move to south Chicago (or even some areas now in west Chicago) and when you call 911 they start off by asking you if you were shot which will decide if they bother to come or not.
What we are seeing right now in downtown is what has been going on in south Chicago for decades now. That situation was not caused by police brutality or by a racist system of governance but by sheer societal disillusionment and corruption. Chicago is probably among the most corrupt places in the WORLD. In your free time do some research on guys like Michael Madigan and you will see what I am talking about. The city and the state have been mismanaged for a long time, the system is completely rotten and Democrats who are in power are unwilling to do anything about it. Even the mayor of Chicago would rather trash Trump than to focus on fighting chaos in the city she is supposed to run.

Organisations such as BLM are exploiting all this bottled up anger in order to advance their cause. That's all.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:35 am

CitizenJustin wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Ah, yes. The soft bigotry of low expectations.


Aww how cute. Again, to keep it real:

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.



You’re right, but you’ll never convince the rabid partisans you’re speaking with. They love to blame the “mainstream media” when in reality it’s the politicians they support that propagate this divisiveness. The increasingly authoritarian right continues to escalate their attacks on the media, which is one of the most important pillars of democracy. They’re gullible pawns, completely unaware that they’re part of the problem. The GOP has worked for decades convincing Americans to distrust the media and here we are today. They can easily lie, demonize the other side and reduce complex social issues to shallow internet memes.


So basically what you are saying is that the media is without flaw and that it's all the fault of the mean old GOP? Must be nice living in a parallel universe.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:49 am

Blerg wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Ah, yes. The soft bigotry of low expectations.


Aww how cute. Again, to keep it real:

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.


That's absolute nonsense. Take eastern Europe as an example, young people have almost no stake in their own future because elections are either fixed or you have the same politicians that keep on ruling different countries. How many years has it been since Orban took power? Do you honestly think your average Hungarian teenager thinks: oh well, I am not going to purchase a gun and riot in downtown Budapest because I will defeat him at the next election.

I come from a country that has an extremely corrupt political system and one of the highest gun ownership rate per capita. We've never had a mass shooting. So obviously what you are saying isn't true. What we do have is respect for the army, police and the country we live in. How do you expect young Americans to respect anything when they grew up with disgusting rap or hip hop songs that glorify crime, guns, bit..es and so on.

Chicago is my favorite city in the US and I am very familiar with what's going on there. You go to areas like Northbrook or Riverwoods and when you call 911 they show up within moments. Then you move to south Chicago (or even some areas now in west Chicago) and when you call 911 they start off by asking you if you were shot which will decide if they bother to come or not.
What we are seeing right now in downtown is what has been going on in south Chicago for decades now. That situation was not caused by police brutality or by a racist system of governance but by sheer societal disillusionment and corruption. Chicago is probably among the most corrupt places in the WORLD. In your free time do some research on guys like Michael Madigan and you will see what I am talking about. The city and the state have been mismanaged for a long time, the system is completely rotten and Democrats who are in power are unwilling to do anything about it. Even the mayor of Chicago would rather trash Trump than to focus on fighting chaos in the city she is supposed to run.

Organisations such as BLM are exploiting all this bottled up anger in order to advance their cause. That's all.


Your post started off completely erroneous because you referenced eastern European countries - I strictly compared to developed countries that are peers of the US on the HDI index. The top 20 are entirely western/central Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, Iceland, Singapore, South Korea and Japan. There’s no point comparing apples to oranges, so I didn’t. Nice try though!
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:24 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Aww how cute. Again, to keep it real:

These things are not happening on this scale in other developed countries where young people have more of a tangible stake in their own futures.


That's absolute nonsense. Take eastern Europe as an example, young people have almost no stake in their own future because elections are either fixed or you have the same politicians that keep on ruling different countries. How many years has it been since Orban took power? Do you honestly think your average Hungarian teenager thinks: oh well, I am not going to purchase a gun and riot in downtown Budapest because I will defeat him at the next election.

I come from a country that has an extremely corrupt political system and one of the highest gun ownership rate per capita. We've never had a mass shooting. So obviously what you are saying isn't true. What we do have is respect for the army, police and the country we live in. How do you expect young Americans to respect anything when they grew up with disgusting rap or hip hop songs that glorify crime, guns, bit..es and so on.

Chicago is my favorite city in the US and I am very familiar with what's going on there. You go to areas like Northbrook or Riverwoods and when you call 911 they show up within moments. Then you move to south Chicago (or even some areas now in west Chicago) and when you call 911 they start off by asking you if you were shot which will decide if they bother to come or not.
What we are seeing right now in downtown is what has been going on in south Chicago for decades now. That situation was not caused by police brutality or by a racist system of governance but by sheer societal disillusionment and corruption. Chicago is probably among the most corrupt places in the WORLD. In your free time do some research on guys like Michael Madigan and you will see what I am talking about. The city and the state have been mismanaged for a long time, the system is completely rotten and Democrats who are in power are unwilling to do anything about it. Even the mayor of Chicago would rather trash Trump than to focus on fighting chaos in the city she is supposed to run.

Organisations such as BLM are exploiting all this bottled up anger in order to advance their cause. That's all.


Your post started off completely erroneous because you referenced eastern European countries - I strictly compared to developed countries that are peers of the US on the HDI index. The top 20 are entirely western/central Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, Iceland, Singapore, South Korea and Japan. There’s no point comparing apples to oranges, so I didn’t. Nice try though!


You are absolutely right and I apologize. I guess South Koreans and Japanese feel so in control over their future which is why suicides are so common over there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/world-s ... 0%20people.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:42 am

Blerg wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Blerg wrote:

That's absolute nonsense. Take eastern Europe as an example, young people have almost no stake in their own future because elections are either fixed or you have the same politicians that keep on ruling different countries. How many years has it been since Orban took power? Do you honestly think your average Hungarian teenager thinks: oh well, I am not going to purchase a gun and riot in downtown Budapest because I will defeat him at the next election.

I come from a country that has an extremely corrupt political system and one of the highest gun ownership rate per capita. We've never had a mass shooting. So obviously what you are saying isn't true. What we do have is respect for the army, police and the country we live in. How do you expect young Americans to respect anything when they grew up with disgusting rap or hip hop songs that glorify crime, guns, bit..es and so on.

Chicago is my favorite city in the US and I am very familiar with what's going on there. You go to areas like Northbrook or Riverwoods and when you call 911 they show up within moments. Then you move to south Chicago (or even some areas now in west Chicago) and when you call 911 they start off by asking you if you were shot which will decide if they bother to come or not.
What we are seeing right now in downtown is what has been going on in south Chicago for decades now. That situation was not caused by police brutality or by a racist system of governance but by sheer societal disillusionment and corruption. Chicago is probably among the most corrupt places in the WORLD. In your free time do some research on guys like Michael Madigan and you will see what I am talking about. The city and the state have been mismanaged for a long time, the system is completely rotten and Democrats who are in power are unwilling to do anything about it. Even the mayor of Chicago would rather trash Trump than to focus on fighting chaos in the city she is supposed to run.

Organisations such as BLM are exploiting all this bottled up anger in order to advance their cause. That's all.


Your post started off completely erroneous because you referenced eastern European countries - I strictly compared to developed countries that are peers of the US on the HDI index. The top 20 are entirely western/central Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, Iceland, Singapore, South Korea and Japan. There’s no point comparing apples to oranges, so I didn’t. Nice try though!


You are absolutely right and I apologize. I guess South Koreans and Japanese feel so in control over their future which is why suicides are so common over there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/world-s ... 0%20people.


Your comment is both logically unrelated to the topic and irrelevant. Koreans and other east Asians culturally have a ‘shame’ sense of identity and view individual actions in the prism of impact on family reputation and other externalities. Most Koreans who commit suicide do so because they have not scored highly enough on the one HS exam that determines all possible future career access and advancement.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:27 pm

CitizenJustin wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Looks like a lot of misinformation and escalated tensions led to more protests and riots.
It will need to be seen what happens going forward with the police and looters.
This incident seems to be sparked initially by a police involved shooting earlier on Sunday.



Reports are that some agitator was escalating the situation and spreading misinformation, which led to the later mayhem.

Apparently information and rumors about the suspect's age and actions spread around.

In all of this we will have to wait for official reports on the initial incident, but it seems that the resulting incidents will have many more arrests as the escalated destruction was criminal in nature, and mostly due to misinformation about the initial incident.

The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.



Typical my side good, their side bad mentality. The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed and it’s far more complex than your partisan blame game.

"The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed..."

More SJW discussion? These issues need to be both addressed AND dealt with, not just simply be 'addressed.' Virtually everybody is afraid to state the real cause, because it's cultural in nature. This issue has been addressed to death. Try to address the issue of police not returning fire when fired upon.
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:36 pm

FTMCPIUS wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.



Typical my side good, their side bad mentality. The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed and it’s far more complex than your partisan blame game.

"The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed..."

More SJW discussion? These issues need to be both addressed AND dealt with, not just simply be 'addressed.' Virtually everybody is afraid to state the real cause, because it's cultural in nature. This issue has been addressed to death. Try to address the issue of police not returning fire when fired upon.




For those getting their news from the dishonorable Fox News and other Right Wing outlets., You may have missed it.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/k ... g/2321959/

42 Felony charges were brought by the city of Chicago against those arrested for looting, assault, property damage, attempted murder, and other crimes Sunday Evening.
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:43 am

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42 Felony charges were brought by the city of Chicago against those arrested for looting, assault, property damage, attempted murder, and other crimes Sunday Evening.

Out of hundreds, if not thousands, that occurred. It's all relative. And out of that 42 how many do you think were released on a or no bond at all?
 
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:49 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
The agitator was activist Joseph Williams. “It’s disturbing to me because when will police ever practice community engagement?” Williams said. “When will they practice anything that deals with mediating conflict?”

Right, instead of returning fire after being shot at, the police should have meekly requested mediation. Leftist enablers, especially the MSM, are determined to let this escalate to and beyond the point of no return.



Typical my side good, their side bad mentality. The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed and it’s far more complex than your partisan blame game.

"The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed..."

More SJW discussion? These issues need to be both addressed AND dealt with, not just simply be 'addressed.' Virtually everybody is afraid to state the real cause, because it's cultural in nature. This issue has been addressed to death. Try to address the issue of police not returning fire when fired upon.


Oh FFS this is not about SJW-anything. $$$ is the main American cultural value and the great equalizer - most of our social problems germinate from the expanding wealth gap and the nihilism that can promote. This is not hard to understand at all.

Here’s a great piece on the need to revive Main street capitalism:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3333516001
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:12 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:

42 Felony charges were brought by the city of Chicago against those arrested for looting, assault, property damage, attempted murder, and other crimes Sunday Evening.

Out of hundreds, if not thousands, that occurred. It's all relative. And out of that 42 how many do you think were released on a or no bond at all?


Really?
You think the police aren't still doing their jobs?
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Re: Mass riots in Chicago overnight

Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:56 am

Aaron747 wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:


Typical my side good, their side bad mentality. The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed and it’s far more complex than your partisan blame game.

"The underlying social issues causing this need to be addressed..."

More SJW discussion? These issues need to be both addressed AND dealt with, not just simply be 'addressed.' Virtually everybody is afraid to state the real cause, because it's cultural in nature. This issue has been addressed to death. Try to address the issue of police not returning fire when fired upon.


Oh FFS this is not about SJW-anything. $$$ is the main American cultural value and the great equalizer - most of our social problems germinate from the expanding wealth gap and the nihilism that can promote. This is not hard to understand at all.

Here’s a great piece on the need to revive Main street capitalism:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3333516001

There is only one 'F' in my handle. In ‘Defining a Successful Protest’ the authors lament that half the country lives only one paycheck away from insolvency, and only about half the country own stocks. There are billions of people in the world who wish they lived under these circumstances -- they would love to be in a country where it is even possible to succeed. That’s why so many are eager to be here instead of home?

The left has been playing the same ‘penalize them for their success’ tune for what seems to be forever. SJWs by any other name.

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