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Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:23 pm

The Biden camp announced around noon that Biden has made his decision on the woman for his VP.

The announcing the woman chosen could come as soon as today.

Trump's camp obviously has their attacks ready for each on the top ladies on the list.

Maybe the American Association of Porn Stars will have their Anti-Trump videos ready. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:22 pm

And it is Kamala...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53739323

She was the frontrunner all along anyway.

Not the worst choice, no surprises either. Definitely better than Hillary's pick (aka Tim Kaine, who got destroyed by Pence in the VP debate)
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:23 pm

Gawd it will be worth it just to watch Kamala filet the evangelical messiah's passive sidekick
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:30 pm

Isn't Kamala the one who bragged about locking people up on petty drug charges while she smoked pot herself?
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:35 pm

Out of all the women on the shortlist, it HAD to be Harris. Whitmer, Rice, Demings, and Duckworth would have all been acceptable, but Harris just checks off nearly every single checkbox you'd want.

Let's see how polling shifts now that the board is set. After the Convention, it's go time!
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:39 pm

Let's be real. If you are Joe Biden's running mate, you are going to be running the country. I will be interested to learn more about Kamala Harris. She will make or break the election.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:40 pm

This is not going to add votes to Biden. She got almost NO support on the campaign, she pulled out before a vote was even cast in California just so she doesn't get humiliated.

Biden put himself on a box with saying he was selecting a woman, and he had no choice but to select the one with less baggage when he noticed all if not most had huge issues.

Would she be kept to a basement too or is she going to bat and answer the tough questions Biden hasn't responded?
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:48 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Would she be kept to a basement too or is she going to bat and answer the tough questions Biden hasn't responded?

Given that she's a Senator, she'll likely be in the Senate trying to pass more Covid relief...maybe pressuring McConnell to finally relent and grant a vote to the relief bill the House passed back in May.

I'll tell you what, though, I have yet to see her hitting the links so that's already a plus for her.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:50 pm

Why is Biden being in his basement the new right-wing attack? Right now, THE most patriotic thing you can do is stay in your basement and not spread the virus
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:54 pm

Kamala Harris has a shocking inability to connect on a personal level. She's rehearsed and mechanical. Her record is wide open to serious attack.
She adds nothing to the Biden ticket other than checking some boxes for the Twitter blue checks.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:59 pm

stl07 wrote:
Why is Biden being in his basement the new right-wing attack? Right now, THE most patriotic thing you can do is stay in your basement and not spread the virus

Idunno...Fox has been rolling tape of him biking repeatedly whilst "in basement" so, it's not like reality has mattered thus far?

VTKillarney wrote:
Kamala Harris has a shocking inability to connect on a personal level. She's rehearsed and mechanical. Her record is wide open to serious attack.
She adds nothing to the Biden ticket other than checking some boxes for the Twitter blue checks.

Compared to Pence? :rotfl:
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:08 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Why is Biden being in his basement the new right-wing attack? Right now, THE most patriotic thing you can do is stay in your basement and not spread the virus

Idunno...Fox has been rolling tape of him biking repeatedly whilst "in basement" so, it's not like reality has mattered thus far?

VTKillarney wrote:
Kamala Harris has a shocking inability to connect on a personal level. She's rehearsed and mechanical. Her record is wide open to serious attack.
She adds nothing to the Biden ticket other than checking some boxes for the Twitter blue checks.

Compared to Pence? :rotfl:


I don't agree with much of anything with Pence but as horrible as some of his views are I don't see him being a hypocrite like Kamala. Trump has also been rapidly releasing federal drug offenders. Many being people of color. What's Kamala going to say about that?
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:08 pm

THUD

Biden already has left & right coast isolationist voters. What a terrible choice if you are trying to connect in the rest of the country.

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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:09 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
This is not going to add votes to Biden. She got almost NO support on the campaign, she pulled out before a vote was even cast in California just so she doesn't get humiliated.

Biden put himself on a box with saying he was selecting a woman, and he had no choice but to select the one with less baggage when he noticed all if not most had huge issues.

Would she be kept to a basement too or is she going to bat and answer the tough questions Biden hasn't responded?


I disagree. I think this will push some voters, centrists etc toward Biden. This is a centrist candidate, and if they'd chosen a left wing candidate then that could have run the risk of invigorating trumps base. This pick will certainly turn off some left wing voters, but I don't know that they were at risk for voting for anyone else anyways. This comes from a fairly conservative voter... it was strategically a wise pick.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:09 pm

So, I guess Biden's VP candidate and Pence are not going to have one on one meetings.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:12 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Why is Biden being in his basement the new right-wing attack? Right now, THE most patriotic thing you can do is stay in your basement and not spread the virus

Idunno...Fox has been rolling tape of him biking repeatedly whilst "in basement" so, it's not like reality has mattered thus far?

VTKillarney wrote:
Kamala Harris has a shocking inability to connect on a personal level. She's rehearsed and mechanical. Her record is wide open to serious attack.
She adds nothing to the Biden ticket other than checking some boxes for the Twitter blue checks.

Compared to Pence? :rotfl:


Buy a Tacx Neo or wahoo Kickr and you can do hundreds of kms riding from your basement. It’s the safest thing at the moment to avoid spreading the virus.

I’m not sure who will win the election, but these two will probably be a middle of the road option without the quirks of the current lot.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:13 pm

Kamala Harris Is a Cop Who Wants To Be President

The California senator and former prosecutor has a long record of pushing illiberal policies.

https://reason.com/2019/06/03/kamala-ha ... president/
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:14 pm

Could not have picked a better one. Trump is toast.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:24 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
This is not going to add votes to Biden.

It's not about adding votes. It's about not giving the Bernie Bros a reason to stay home pouting, which is one of the reasons Hillary lost. The GOP equivalent is putting the evangelical Pence on the ticket with the twice-divorced, admitted adulterer, currently married to a nude-modeling social climber Donald Trump, who is the farthest thing from what the GOP values voters have long endorsed. Those voters weren't going to vote for Hillary, but they may have stayed home and not voted for Trump. With someone they like on the ticket it appeals to their psychology.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:30 pm

luckyone wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
This is not going to add votes to Biden.

It's not about adding votes. It's about not giving the Bernie Bros a reason to stay home pouting, which is one of the reasons Hillary lost. The GOP equivalent is putting the evangelical Pence on the ticket with the twice-divorced, admitted adulterer, currently married to a nude-modeling social climber Donald Trump, who is the farthest thing from what the GOP values voters have long endorsed. Those voters weren't going to vote for Hillary, but they may have stayed home and not voted for Trump. With someone they like on the ticket it appeals to their psychology.

I doubt that Kamala Harris resonated deeply with the Bernie Bros. This was all about virtue signaling. It certainly wasn’t about winning over swing states.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:33 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
luckyone wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
This is not going to add votes to Biden.

It's not about adding votes. It's about not giving the Bernie Bros a reason to stay home pouting, which is one of the reasons Hillary lost. The GOP equivalent is putting the evangelical Pence on the ticket with the twice-divorced, admitted adulterer, currently married to a nude-modeling social climber Donald Trump, who is the farthest thing from what the GOP values voters have long endorsed. Those voters weren't going to vote for Hillary, but they may have stayed home and not voted for Trump. With someone they like on the ticket it appeals to their psychology.

I doubt that Kamala Harris resonated deeply with the Bernie Bros. This was all about virtue signaling. It certainly wasn’t about winning over swing states.

Politically she aligned much closer to Sanders than she did to Biden. This was much-discussed at the time of her campaign suspension as the primary reason-- she was Bernie with boobs, and there wasn't room in the cult for two Berns.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:41 pm

I'm quite amused seeing how people who will never give a Democrat the time of day, much less a vote, are SO concerned about all the negatives about Harris.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:47 pm

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I don't agree with much of anything with Pence but as horrible as some of his views are I don't see him being a hypocrite like Kamala.
So Pence being the VP to a president that that has broken all 10 commandments except for murder* is not hypocritical? Many of those commandments are still broken on a near daily basis.

Edited to add, just remembered: as president Trump ordered the murder of(at least) the Iranian general. So i guess that makes 10 out of 10.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:47 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
I'm quite amused seeing how people who will never give a Democrat the time of day, much less a vote, are SO concerned about all the negatives about Harris.

Gotta chum the waters.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:19 pm

The center of american politics is so far to the right, that in most western democratic countries both Biden and Harris would be characterised as decisively RIGHT wing.

This is important, because it tells you that for the US to be more successfull and prosper again, the answer does not lie in going even further to the extreme right.

Even most people in the furthest right populistic/semi-racist party in my country would be supporting Biden just because Trump and the GOP is just to far beyond into right wing madness and corruption at this point.

There is virtually nothing Left wing about the Democratic party in the US. Free healthcare is NOT a left-wing issue, it is a human rights-issue. Ask any conservative right-winger anywhere outside the US if they support free health care. Yes, of course they do.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:29 pm

The safe pick. I believe he wanted one of the other black candidates but had vetting issues. She doesn't add anything to the campaign and doesn't help him in the states he needs. She wins the VP debate easily because Pence can't debate. At the end of the day independent voters may be scared of her running the country since Biden is not up to it health wise.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:39 pm

luckyone wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
This is not going to add votes to Biden.

It's not about adding votes. It's about not giving the Bernie Bros a reason to stay home pouting, which is one of the reasons Hillary lost. The GOP equivalent is putting the evangelical Pence on the ticket with the twice-divorced, admitted adulterer, currently married to a nude-modeling social climber Donald Trump, who is the farthest thing from what the GOP values voters have long endorsed. Those voters weren't going to vote for Hillary, but they may have stayed home and not voted for Trump. With someone they like on the ticket it appeals to their psychology.


Based on early tweets from well known Bernie Bros such as Ryan Grim, Krystal Ball, and Kyle Kulinski, this is not a pick that will excite the Bernie bros. And this is a pick that Wall Street has signed off on, and basically is just another person from the Neoliberal-Corporatist wing of the Democratic party who will campaign on helping the little guy, and then will screw them over when in office where the rolodex numbers are all Wall Street CEOs, and not working men and women.


I see this pick as indicative of the way Biden has run his entire campaign to this point. Play not to lose. Biden is betting based on polling that those people who voted for Trump last time are so sick of the way he has conducted himself that they will vote for Biden just to get Trump out of office. Biden did not want to hand Trump talking points by naming someone on the Left, so he went with the safe pick. Harris adds nothing to the ticket that will help Biden at all. California is a solidly Blue state already, and despite his recent gaffe, I don't think the Black community is going to abandon him at all. This is a pick that the establishment will be very comfortable with. It is a pick that will not cost Biden any votes. And it is also a pick that will keep the campaign money flowing in. Very telling in this deal is the list of speakers at the Convention. Bernie is speaking, but the only other real progressive speaking is AOC, and only to introduce Bernie. Otherwise, its the same old same old, the Obamas, and also John Kasich. This is not a party that really seems to be looking forward too much, except at the grass roots level.
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:48 pm

M564038 wrote:
The center of american politics is so far to the right, that in most western democratic countries both Biden and Harris would be characterised as decisively RIGHT wing.

This is important, because it tells you that for the US to be more successfull and prosper again, the answer does not lie in going even further to the extreme right.

Even most people in the furthest right populistic/semi-racist party in my country would be supporting Biden just because Trump and the GOP is just to far beyond into right wing madness and corruption at this point.

There is virtually nothing Left wing about the Democratic party in the US. Free healthcare is NOT a left-wing issue, it is a human rights-issue. Ask any conservative right-winger anywhere outside the US if they support free health care. Yes, of course they do.

Not to derail this thread, but I do not believe the center is as far right as it appears. I believe that the electorate in general is actually more fiscally Progressive than the way it is governed and a bit more socially conservative. Zaid Jilani did a great piece on this a while back. If you look at the elected officials in the Democratic Party, and then the Democratic Electorate, the Officals are more socially liberal than the democratic voters. Republican Elected officals by contrast, are more fiscally conservative than the GOP base by a longshot. I cant find the exact article. I may actually start a new thread because this is worthy of a separate discussion.
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:56 pm

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I'm quite amused seeing how people who will never give a Democrat the time of day, much less a vote, are SO concerned about all the negatives about Harris.


One of my favorite parts of elections.

"Candidate from party X did what?! Well party X just lost my vote!"

...coming from someone who hasn't voted that party in decades, if ever
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:09 pm

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The safe pick. I believe he wanted one of the other black candidates but had vetting issues. She doesn't add anything to the campaign and doesn't help him in the states he needs. She wins the VP debate easily because Pence can't debate. At the end of the day independent voters may be scared of her running the country since Biden is not up to it health wise.


Pence can't debate but somehow still won against Kaine. Of course, Kaine is just a god awful choice to begin with (I am saying this as somebody that vote D's 90% of the time and doesn't like Pence since I do live in Indiana...).

Kamala v. Pence debate would definitely be fun, though.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:14 pm

I’m just glad that, after considering all possible candidates equally on their merit, the winning candidate just happened to be a woman of color. It proves just how qualified she is.
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:21 pm

Was hoping for Susan Rice - I think Harris is too polarizing, by picking her I think Biden risks falling into what lost it for the dems last time - Hillary was also polarizing.
Rice has little to no baggage and is not controversial at all. She also had experience in the Obama/Biden administration and would have been a good fit. Oh well....what's done is done.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:29 pm

Identifiable groups of people that have previosly gone unrepresented for centuries finally getting represented in a high office is inherently wrong?
Do you think so little of black american women that you believe there wasn’t anyone qualified as vice-president amongst them? There needed to be a quota for her to be qualified?

Compared to the absolutely clueless, uneducated, half-fascist, raving lunatic, grandiose, diabetic, stroke-ready, drugged, self-absorbed, dangerous sub-par white male disaster representing as the main role on the other side?

Where are you from? Early 20th century?

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I’m just glad that, after considering all possible candidates equally on their merit, the winning candidate just happened to be a woman of color. It proves just how qualified she is.
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:40 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
I’m just glad that, after considering all possible candidates equally on their merit, the winning candidate just happened to be a woman of color. It proves just how qualified she is.


If you emerge from the CA attorney general post and all its 1100 staff prosecutors without sharp criticism, you’ve done a pretty damned good job. And oh gee, that’s her.
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:46 pm

Here comes the turning point. Can't wait to see how Trump and Pence can manage their misogynistic and racist bias going forward to the Election.
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:15 am

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The safe pick. I believe he wanted one of the other black candidates but had vetting issues. She doesn't add anything to the campaign and doesn't help him in the states he needs. She wins the VP debate easily because Pence can't debate. At the end of the day independent voters may be scared of her running the country since Biden is not up to it health wise.


Wisdom from an unexpected source...

..I called it for Rice. Wrong...I felt Rice was sharp, polished and surgical precision like responses when thrown (or attempted to be) off her game and her international repitoire speaks for itself and would almost heal trump damage among America's global allies except Putin, Bosonaro, Kim, Duerterte, Ergdogan and Salmaan.

She is the safe pick.


Omarosa Manigault-Newman's phone has probably been disconnected after a torrent of calls from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Why?

There's no one, not one person...man or woman on team trump with 'how to deal with a black woman' insider skills.

Candace Owens? She might as well be in Andromeda Galaxy.
Kanye? the person that can make people hold on to something steady when he steps before a microphone (other than trump).
Clarence Thomas? - too busy suing Michael Jackson's skin-whitening company, because it didn't work on him.
Alan West - veteran gone full Kanye...
Condi Rice - skill set (for blackness) in the negatives.

..they are left to their own devices to figure out a way to come at Harris at the risk of having her go ALL Bill Barr on them, you know it's coming.

Pence's christian-polite, I hold the greatest respect for ...won't cut it.
She's a prosecutor Mike, when she sees you in a chair, she sees you on the stand - that's exactly how she will come at you.
And prosecutors smell lies like flies drawn to dung.

Hold on, it's gonna get ugly.
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:20 am

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You give free healthcare to everyone. Healthcare is not a privelege. It is a basic human right. You talk about it like it is something you need to qualify for.
That is just such a clear testament of how far out and how far behind the rest of the west american reality has fallen. The GOP’s rich uncles and strategists of the post WWII era has destroyed your great country that was once a beacon. Now we pity you.

So your country gives free health care to anyone who decides to just show up and ask?

Sorry, but Kamala shouldn’t adopt that platform if she wants Biden to win.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:22 am

BN747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
The safe pick. I believe he wanted one of the other black candidates but had vetting issues. She doesn't add anything to the campaign and doesn't help him in the states he needs. She wins the VP debate easily because Pence can't debate. At the end of the day independent voters may be scared of her running the country since Biden is not up to it health wise.


Wisdom from an unexpected source...

..I called it for Rice. Wrong...I felt Rice was sharp, polished and surgical precision like respionses when thrown (or attempted to be) off her game and her international repitoire speaks for itself and would almost heal trump damage among America's global allies except Putin, Bosonaro, Kim, Duerterte, Ergdogan and Salmaan.

She is the safe pick.


Omarosa Manigault-Newman's phone has probably been disconnected after a torrent of calls from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Why?

There's no one, not one person...man or woman on team trump with 'how to deal with a black woman' insider skills.

Candace Owens? She might as well be in Andromeda Galaxy.
Kanye? the person that can make people hold on to something steady when he steps before a microphone (other than trump).
Clarence Thomas? - too busy suing Michael Jackson's skin-whitening company, because it didn't work on him.
Alan West - veteran gone full Kanye...
Condi Rice - skill set (for blackness) in the negatives.

..they are left to their own devices to figure out a way to come at Harris at the risk of having her go ALL Bill Barr on them, you know it's coming.

Pence's christian-polite, I hold the greatest respect for ...won't cut it.
She's a prosecutor Mike, when she sees you in a chair, she sees you on the stand - that's exactly how she will come at you.
And prosecutors smell lies like flies drawn to dung.

Hold on, it's gonna get ugly.
The Sludge-Meister, trump guarantees it,

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45 couldn’t say anything about her today other than using ‘nasty’ four times. If she’s so terrible why did he donate to her twice?

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Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:40 am

BN747 wrote:
Wisdom from an unexpected source...

..I called it for Rice. Wrong...I felt Rice was sharp, polished and surgical precision like responses when thrown (or attempted to be) off her game and her international repitoire speaks for itself and would almost heal trump damage among America's global allies except Putin, Bosonaro, Kim, Duerterte, Ergdogan and Salmaan.

She is the safe pick.


BN747


I will admit Harris is an awesome debating and does have stage presence and can talk somewhat off script and has some flair all the things Biden lacks. Rice never had a shot. She is boring and has too much baggage. The first debate question would have been about Benghazi and it would have hurt her. I still think Bottoms was the front runner all the way but she lost points when her city got out of control and she did nothing.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:47 am

Had not seen the WH quotes from today and they are scrambling. Lots of just total BS about Harris - let’s quickly fact check:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/1 ... eal-393983

“She is also known, from what I understand, as being just about the most liberal person in the U.S. Senate,” Trump said at a news conference at the White House.

Um, ever heard of Senators Warren or Sanders??

“She is now trying to bury her egregious record as a prosecutor in order to appease the anti-police extremists that are now controlling the radicalized Democrat party,” Trump 2020 senior adviser Katrina Pierson told reporters Tuesday.

Egregious record? Your guy is claiming to be the ‘law and order’ dude. Harris’s prosecutorial record should be a STRENGTH if you’re a right winger. FFS these people don’t even know what day it is.
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NIKV69 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Wisdom from an unexpected source...

..I called it for Rice. Wrong...I felt Rice was sharp, polished and surgical precision like responses when thrown (or attempted to be) off her game and her international repitoire speaks for itself and would almost heal trump damage among America's global allies except Putin, Bosonaro, Kim, Duerterte, Ergdogan and Salmaan.

She is the safe pick.


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I will admit Harris is an awesome debating and does have stage presence and can talk somewhat off script and has some flair all the things Biden lacks. Rice never had a shot. She is boring and has too much baggage. The first debate question would have been about Benghazi and it would have hurt her. I still think Bottoms was the front runner all the way but she lost points when her city got out of control and she did nothing.


...yeah, sir....it can't be becuz she's one of those sexy black Mayors always on tv....

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Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:05 am

Good choice for VP and future President
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:26 am

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I’m just glad that, after considering all possible candidates equally on their merit, the winning candidate just happened to be a woman of color. It proves just how qualified she is.

Fortunately your party o’ white rage already has the David Duke vote locked down so...
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Was hoping for Susan Rice - I think Harris is too polarizing, by picking her I think Biden risks falling into what lost it for the dems last time - Hillary was also polarizing.
Rice has little to no baggage and is not controversial at all. She also had experience in the Obama/Biden administration and would have been a good fit. Oh well....what's done is done.

Benghazi...imagine trying to become VP and having to be hounded by something that's already been settled. Heck, if Republicans are still tying Democrat incumbents/challengers to Clinton as a way to stir up support, imagine how it'll be with Benghazi.

Ms Rice will likely have her moment in government, whether returning as NSA, being officially confirmed as UN Ambassador, or even as a diplomat. But running on the ticket would have stirred trouble. Most people, I think, understand that Benghazi is history and that Republicans would be using a tragedy to capitalize on votes. But the last time this happened, it worked so Ms Rice was definitely NOT the candidate (though if not Harris or Duckworth, definitely would have been a better choice than others on the list).
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:18 am

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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:35 am

About her "faults" as a prosecutor, can't she champion reform of the system ? Not make too precise promises to keep her "law & order" badge, but enough to signal that she supports reforming police departments, judicial treatment of drug users etc.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:40 am

The choice of Kamala is pretty irrelevant. She's a fairly safe and uncontroversial pick. About as centrist as you can get.

Even in a year where the choice of Biden's VP would be an issue given the higher probablity of Harris assuming the top job at some point, VP picks are usually some of the most irrelevant talking points in any election cycle. I would say the only exception to this is Sarah Palin in 2008, back when having a total moron on the ticket was seen as a negative.

How consequential were Tim Kaine, Paul Ryan, John Edwards, Jack Kemp, Dan Quayle or Geraldine Ferraro to their respective elections? So little I had to google who some of them were, even though I'd consider myself semi knowledgeable about US politics
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:47 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
ER757 wrote:
Was hoping for Susan Rice - I think Harris is too polarizing, by picking her I think Biden risks falling into what lost it for the dems last time - Hillary was also polarizing.
Rice has little to no baggage and is not controversial at all. She also had experience in the Obama/Biden administration and would have been a good fit. Oh well....what's done is done.

Benghazi...imagine trying to become VP and having to be hounded by something that's already been settled. Heck, if Republicans are still tying Democrat incumbents/challengers to Clinton as a way to stir up support, imagine how it'll be with Benghazi.

Ms Rice will likely have her moment in government, whether returning as NSA, being officially confirmed as UN Ambassador, or even as a diplomat. But running on the ticket would have stirred trouble. Most people, I think, understand that Benghazi is history and that Republicans would be using a tragedy to capitalize on votes. But the last time this happened, it worked so Ms Rice was definitely NOT the candidate (though if not Harris or Duckworth, definitely would have been a better choice than others on the list).

Sure seems like Trump and the party are still directing most of their attacks at HRC and can't make much stick to Biden. HRC fired up the base--Biden doesn't do much of anything.
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:06 am

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Sure seems like Trump and the party are still directing most of their attacks at HRC and can't make much stick to Biden. HRC fired up the base--Biden doesn't do much of anything.


Hillary was the most loathed Democrat and number one on the Republican hate list from about 2000 onwards. And was passionately disliked by a lot of non-Republicans too.

Biden? Boring old Senator who is forgetful. Makes the occasional gaffe. No-one really hates him. Republicans may dislike him, and will vote against him, but he doesn't provoke the same visceral reaction, the anger that Hillary did.
 
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Re: Biden Has Decided on his VP

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:20 am

"Mother, she's going to kill me ... "

The VP debate is probably going to be the most watched of any. A guy who is about as dull as a table lamp is going to be eviscerated on national TV by one of the most effective Senate performers. He won't know what hit him. Just a pity she won't be debating Trump directly.

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