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face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:31 pm

Note that all airlines which operate in Michigan and Wisconsin are in violation of state mandates.
Michigan EO 153. section 2c says that all people which medically cannot tolerate wearing a mask can do so. Also Section 3C says that you have to accept the verbal representation of the exemption.
Wisconsin says the same thing. Hmm. So i see all airlines in violation.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:42 pm

Airlines are private business and have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Nice try
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:42 pm

The railroad labor act over rules state law.

As soon as you are on airport property, Federal law has priority. This is to keep a thousand rules from making interstate transit too complicated.

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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:47 pm

lightsaber wrote:
The railroad labor act over rules state law.

As soon as you are on airport property, Federal law has priority. This is to keep a thousand rules from making interstate transit too complicated.

Lightsaber


No it doesnt. Most of airport property in the US is under the jurisdiction of city/county/state laws when it comes to these sorts of orders.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:48 pm

Note to self. Avoid Michigan and Wisconsin. With or without our comments or positions on mask wearing both states are in northern climates and between flu season and people being forced indoors the next couple of months should be fun to watch in denial states.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:55 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
The railroad labor act over rules state law.

As soon as you are on airport property, Federal law has priority. This is to keep a thousand rules from making interstate transit too complicated.

Lightsaber


No it doesnt. Most of airport property in the US is under the jurisdiction of city/county/state laws when it comes to these sorts of orders.

Which doesn’t help you when airlines are enforcing the rules onboard their aircraft.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:18 pm

MichiganFlyer wrote:
Also Section 3C says that you have to accept the verbal representation of the exemption.

I looked up the executive order and this is incorrect. This is what section 3C says:

A business may not assume that someone who enters the business without a face covering falls in one of the exceptions specified in section 2 of this order, including the exception for individuals who cannot medically tolerate a face covering. A business may, however, accept a customer’s verbal representation that they are not wearing a face covering because they fall within a specified exception.


From https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309 ... --,00.html. Emphasis mine.

Language matters in these orders. Note they say businesses “may”, not “must” (which is used in other parts of the order). Businesses are under no obligation to accept your verbal representation. They can if they want and will be legally protected if other customers make a fuss but they are also allowed to deny you service due to the lack of a mask if you lack any proper documentation that you fall under one of the exemptions. Businesses are also under no obligation to assume that because you are not wearing a mask you must then be under one of the exemptions.

In plain language what 3c says is that businesses are allowed to tell maskless people to put on a mask and then decide to let them stay or not if the person just says they make them uncomfortable or are exempt.
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:18 pm

MichiganFlyer wrote:
Note that all airlines which operate in Michigan and Wisconsin are in violation of state mandates.
Michigan EO 153. section 2c says that all people which medically cannot tolerate wearing a mask can do so. Also Section 3C says that you have to accept the verbal representation of the exemption.
Wisconsin says the same thing. Hmm. So i see all airlines in violation.

Airlines are Federal not state.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:20 pm

MichiganFlyer wrote:
Note that all airlines which operate in Michigan and Wisconsin are in violation of state mandates.
Michigan EO 153. section 2c says that all people which medically cannot tolerate wearing a mask can do so. Also Section 3C says that you have to accept the verbal representation of the exemption.
Wisconsin says the same thing. Hmm. So i see all airlines in violation.


Laughable analysis.

Read the rest of the EO, especially 3 a-c, which as noted earlier contains a "may" provision, not a "shall" or "must" provision, and then reconcile it with an airline's legal authority to set policy onboard its aircraft and the wide latitude FAA gives an airline to enforce that policy.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:22 pm

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Airlines are private business and have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Nice try


No, they don't. The 'private business' nonsense reflects a poor understanding of civics going back 1400 years in English common law. Just as one example, businesses engaging in interstate commerce can be regulated by the Federal government. That's Constitution 1.0.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:26 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
The railroad labor act over rules state law.

As soon as you are on airport property, Federal law has priority. This is to keep a thousand rules from making interstate transit too complicated.

Lightsaber

No it doesnt. Most of airport property in the US is under the jurisdiction of city/county/state laws when it comes to these sorts of orders.

That just means city cops or county sheriffs are the ones to enforce the law, not what the law is.

As for what law prevails:

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States (Article VI, Clause 2), establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supreme Law of the Land", and thus take priority over any conflicting state laws.[1] It provides that state courts are bound by, and state constitutions subordinate to, the supreme law.[2] However, federal statutes and treaties are supreme only if they do not contravene the Constitution.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

So, until MI and WI leave the Union, they're stuck with federal law prevailing over state/county/city law.

This has been tried before, and it didn't turn out well.
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:34 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
airzim wrote:
Airlines are private business and have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Nice try


No, they don't. The 'private business' nonsense reflects a poor understanding of civics going back 1400 years in English common law. Just as one example, businesses engaging in interstate commerce can be regulated by the Federal government. That's Constitution 1.0.


No one said they cannot be regulated. airzim said they have the right to refuse service, which they do. Unless the reason for refusal is a protected class, airlines can absolutely refuse service for violation of their rules.
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:39 pm

When a transportation company offers service to or from Michigan or Wisconsin you must follow all state and local laws and ordinances. Like tax and employment and safety laws. Just ask those in California or New York. I would love to see lets say Delta skirt NY STATE tax laws. Or California environment laws.

Disability. discrimination is forbidden. A business must offer accommodation to those whom are disabled. So if a customer cannot walk is the airline gping to say no wheelchair passengers allowed. you must prove you cannot walk is this a new standard for airline transportation now eh?
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:48 pm

As others said, airlines are private businesses they enforce their own policies. They have the absolute right to refuse service to anyone not following said policies. Law has nothing to do with it. Don't like it, feel free to not fly with them... that is you power to choose.
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
airzim wrote:
Airlines are private business and have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Nice try


No, they don't. The 'private business' nonsense reflects a poor understanding of civics going back 1400 years in English common law. Just as one example, businesses engaging in interstate commerce can be regulated by the Federal government. That's Constitution 1.0.


Quoting you, "can be regulated," and they are. But as stated, the FAA gives the airlines pretty wide latitude to set their own policies and procedures, and can refuse to fly someone and remove them from the plane for any reason, including not wearing a mask.

Hence the OP premise is wrong.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:22 pm

MichiganFlyer wrote:
When a transportation company offers service to or from Michigan or Wisconsin you must follow all state and local laws and ordinances. Like tax and employment and safety laws. Just ask those in California or New York. I would love to see lets say Delta skirt NY STATE tax laws. Or California environment laws.

Disability. discrimination is forbidden. A business must offer accommodation to those whom are disabled. So if a customer cannot walk is the airline gping to say no wheelchair passengers allowed. you must prove you cannot walk is this a new standard for airline transportation now eh?

Federal law requires wheelchair access.

Again, while police may enforce, airlines are different from a labor and regulatory policy.

For example, aircraft over a hundred passengers must have room to store 1 wheelchair in the cabin by Federal law. If New York tried to save JetBlue money to not (there was a fight over this when the E190s entered service as US' 99 seat E190s were exempt but not JetBlue's 100 seat.

A transportation company going to the business must follow state law. If say Wisconsin allowed Lithium battery shipment on the airline, the Federal laws still prohibit the transit.

Airlines can fire people counter to state laws.

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Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:36 pm

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Disability. discrimination is forbidden. A business must offer accommodation to those whom are disabled. So if a customer cannot walk is the airline gping to say no wheelchair passengers allowed. you must prove you cannot walk is this a new standard for airline transportation now eh?
Do you know what a "protected class" is?
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:42 pm

Any private business can require the wearing of a face mask. This includes grocery stores, hospitals, bars and AIRLINES. If you you do not comply they can refuse service and tell you to leave. If you do NOT want to wear a face mask you can go by private car or maybe private jet if you have the money. Private businesses have the right to control who and how they do business with. Face masks help prevent the spreading of a disease. They do not prevent the inhaling of the Corona Virus, unless it is within a droplet, which is one ten thousandth the diameter of a human hair. A N95 mask may stop the Corona Virus.:old:
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:44 pm

Please learn how to read an eo or an ordinance.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:52 pm

LOL “note that....”. Okay, random person.

Actually, I had a guy on my airplane get arrested once because he tried to bring pot onboard. It was legal in that state but, as the sheriff explained, state rules don’t really apply when you walk through a security checkpoint for interstate travel.

So, methinks you’re wrong. Just wear a mask and quit being a selfish knowitall.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:56 pm

Maybe it’s not the best time for you to fly if you can’t wear a mask.
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Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:59 pm

MichiganFlyer wrote:
When a transportation company offers service to or from Michigan or Wisconsin you must follow all state and local laws and ordinances. Like tax and employment and safety laws. Just ask those in California or New York. I would love to see lets say Delta skirt NY STATE tax laws. Or California environment laws.

State taxation laws do not conflict with federal laws. State automobile emissions laws do not conflict with federal laws.
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Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:02 pm

Hey Mods, maybe you should can this thread. The OP seems to have created his account just to launch this blatantly political thread.
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:07 pm

MichiganFlyer wrote:
When a transportation company offers service to or from Michigan or Wisconsin you must follow all state and local laws and ordinances. Like tax and employment and safety laws. Just ask those in California or New York. I would love to see lets say Delta skirt NY STATE tax laws. Or California environment laws.

Disability. discrimination is forbidden. A business must offer accommodation to those whom are disabled. So if a customer cannot walk is the airline gping to say no wheelchair passengers allowed. you must prove you cannot walk is this a new standard for airline transportation now eh?

While I disagree with the legal thesis of this whole thread, I am curious whether COVID policies supersede the Americans with Disabilities Act which definitely apply to airports and airlines. I don’t see how it would be legal to deny the ability to travel to someone who cannot wear a mask for legitimate medical reasons. Of course, this will never make it to the Supreme Court like many other things, so there will likely not be a clear answer before COVID has moved to the past.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:08 pm

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LOT767301ER wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
The railroad labor act over rules state law.

As soon as you are on airport property, Federal law has priority. This is to keep a thousand rules from making interstate transit too complicated.

Lightsaber

No it doesnt. Most of airport property in the US is under the jurisdiction of city/county/state laws when it comes to these sorts of orders.

That just means city cops or county sheriffs are the ones to enforce the law, not what the law is.

As for what law prevails:

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States (Article VI, Clause 2), establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supreme Law of the Land", and thus take priority over any conflicting state laws.[1] It provides that state courts are bound by, and state constitutions subordinate to, the supreme law.[2] However, federal statutes and treaties are supreme only if they do not contravene the Constitution.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

So, until MI and WI leave the Union, they're stuck with federal law prevailing over state/county/city law.

This has been tried before, and it didn't turn out well.


I dont know of any mask mandate that is a law. I know of executive orders that are handed down on a state/county/local level that vary by locality. Which goes back to my original statement, for all intents and purposes all public spaces that are under the control of these jurisdictions are subject to orders but since there are thousands of different orders it varies widely.

You dont have to wear a mask at all airports, there is no federal law that says you do and thats the end of the argument.

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Actually, I had a guy on my airplane get arrested once because he tried to bring pot onboard. It was legal in that state but, as the sheriff explained, state rules don’t really apply when you walk through a security checkpoint for interstate travel.


Yes they do. State/local law applies post-security up until you are on an aircraft that is engaging (especially but not always) in interstate travel. Why do you think you can carry an alcoholic beverage to your gate in some airports but in others you cannot? You think that is under Federal control? If it was you could drink at the age of 18 at every US airport post-security. The only area under federal jurisdiction at that point is the aircraft, the security checkpoint and any other federal facility such as an FIS area.

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LOT767301ER wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
The railroad labor act over rules state law.

As soon as you are on airport property, Federal law has priority. This is to keep a thousand rules from making interstate transit too complicated.

Lightsaber


No it doesnt. Most of airport property in the US is under the jurisdiction of city/county/state laws when it comes to these sorts of orders.

Which doesn’t help you when airlines are enforcing the rules onboard their aircraft.


Who needs help exactly? Im simply pointing out that people do not understand which part of an airport is under whose jurisdiction.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:31 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
The railroad labor act over rules state law.

As soon as you are on airport property, Federal law has priority. This is to keep a thousand rules from making interstate transit too complicated.

Lightsaber


No it doesnt. Most of airport property in the US is under the jurisdiction of city/county/state laws when it comes to these sorts of orders.


If I understand right, there is a demarcation where federal authority takes over once you enter the security screening area.

So that would mean after you step foot on airport property, but place most of a typical passenger's time while on airport property, and all of the time they are onboard an aircraft under federal jurisdiction. Citations would be appreciated if anyone is able to clarify.

Regarding federal law, some precision needs to be used to be sure to get an accurate understanding of how the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Air Carrier Access Act, and HIPAA all relate to each other. It is not merely as simple as observing that the ADA prohibits discrimination. The Department of Transportation has some summary information here.
https://www.transportation.gov/airconsu ... sabilities

I'm still reading it an related resources. 14 CFR 382 appears to have quite a few conditions and very specific definitions. At a glance, I think there is potential that a court could find that a single individual with medical cause for not wearing a mask, which is estimated to reduce risk but not eliminate it, does not meet the criteria for a "direct threat" or that if meeting the criteria, the airline could resolve the threat with the provision of some other reasonable means of protection. Federal law does require the airline to resolve the issue in the least restrictive way.

This is a question that is very legitimately suited to challenge in court.
 
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:36 pm

This is a stupid debate. If you have a medical condition that prevents you from wearing a mask or face shield, (of which there are none that I know of) you should question why you are going into a tube with 100 other passengers in the height of an uncontrolled and deadly pandemic since your medical condition is so bad that you can't even put on a cloth mask or a plastic shield
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:01 am

LOT767301ER wrote:
N766UA wrote:
Actually, I had a guy on my airplane get arrested once because he tried to bring pot onboard. It was legal in that state but, as the sheriff explained, state rules don’t really apply when you walk through a security checkpoint for interstate travel.


Yes they do. State/local law applies post-security up until you are on an aircraft that is engaging (especially but not always) in interstate travel. Why do you think you can carry an alcoholic beverage to your gate in some airports but in others you cannot? You think that is under Federal control? If it was you could drink at the age of 18 at every US airport post-security. The only area under federal jurisdiction at that point is the aircraft, the security checkpoint and any other federal facility such as an FIS area.

Legit question: since Airport screening is under the authority of the Department of Homeland Security, isn't all passenger-accessible areas post screening up to the aircraft door under the same authority, hence under the authority of the Federal Government?
 
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Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:27 am

There are few to no medical conditions that preclude a person from wearing the type of face mask being required by airlines.
"There are no known medical conditions aside from a severe skin condition [like a very severe burn that needs medical attention] on your face that would prevent a person from wearing this type of mask,” David Kaufman, MD, pulmonologist and director of the medical ICU at Tisch Hospital, tells Health. “If you can wear a scarf to keep your face warm in the winter, you can wear a mask to prevent the spread of disease.”
[...]"If you are infected with a contagious disease like COVID-19, a surgical mask limits how much you might spread the disease," says Dr. Kaufman. That also means surgical and fabric masks do not add resistance while inhaling.

Essentially, this means even people with respiratory illnesses—asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), and other lung diseases—can safely wear either surgical or fabric masks in public.

https://www.health.com/condition/infect ... -face-mask

Basically only a quack would issue a medical release for wearing the kind of face mask being required (because if it were that severe a condition, they would a.) advise against travel; b.) would not issue one as it would be medically irresponsible).

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PA110 wrote:
Hey Mods, maybe you should can this thread. The OP seems to have created his account just to launch this blatantly political thread.

Not so much political as nutjob thread
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Re: face mask policies violate state mandates

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enilria wrote:
MichiganFlyer wrote:
When a transportation company offers service to or from Michigan or Wisconsin you must follow all state and local laws and ordinances. Like tax and employment and safety laws. Just ask those in California or New York. I would love to see lets say Delta skirt NY STATE tax laws. Or California environment laws.

Disability. discrimination is forbidden. A business must offer accommodation to those whom are disabled. So if a customer cannot walk is the airline gping to say no wheelchair passengers allowed. you must prove you cannot walk is this a new standard for airline transportation now eh?

While I disagree with the legal thesis of this whole thread, I am curious whether COVID policies supersede the Americans with Disabilities Act which definitely apply to airports and airlines. I don’t see how it would be legal to deny the ability to travel to someone who cannot wear a mask for legitimate medical reasons. Of course, this will never make it to the Supreme Court like many other things, so there will likely not be a clear answer before COVID has moved to the past.


Good argument, except ADA does not apply to airlines.
 
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So OP, anything else to add?

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