https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... rne-spread
They finally admitted that "There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others and travel distances beyond six feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants or in fitness classes)."

Why they took so much time to confirm what we have already knew in January?

I suggest you update the title before the discussion turns into a flamebait regarding the unnecessary "Wuhan" part

stl07 wrote:

I suggest you update the title before the discussion turns into a flamebait regarding the unnecessary "Wuhan" part

I am trying to be specific that this is specifically about the coronavirus currently causing pandemic, instead of regular cold-causing generic coronaviruses or other coronaviruses like the one that caused 2003 epidemic, or the other one that came from Middle East, or any other strain only in circulation among animals, because the implication would be totally different

Thread starter doing his best to look like a child with inventing names for the virus.
It has an internationally recognized name, it is called SARS-CoV-2, grow up.

Americans should be very careful with the blame game after the 1918 Kansas-Virus!

I wish CDC is more proactive with their data analysis and advisories. Vehemently denying any suggestions and quietly joining the bandwagon later is not the best way to handle public health.

Are public toilets safe?

So this just means that wearing a mask in public is even more critical. I am not happy about the idea of having to wear a damn mask more but for the most part I am already doing that anyway. Out in public, for a walk around the neighborhood etc. I am keeping a mask with me and putting it on when nearing others, at more than just 6 feet distance.

From the OP's article:

Jimenez and Milton said it’s important to wear masks to reduce the risk of spreading and contracting COVID-19. They said it’s crucial to make sure face coverings fit properly, so that aerosols don’t escape or enter through gaps in the mask around the nose or mouth.

“Aerosols can travel farther than six feet, but they’re more concentrated the closer you get, so standing as far away as possible reduces risk,” Milton said. “The reason that bars have been such a big problem is that people get loud when they get alcohol onboard and move close together to hear, and you can’t drink a beer or a shot with a mask on.”

So keep wearing your mask and don't do things that bring you close to others that you don't regularly contact closely (unless you prefer shutting down and damaging the economy more which I don't). In other words be smart folks.

Tugg

If you think probabilistic and statistically you knew all this months ago. The CDC never said anything different. More specifically about aviation all of the discussion of distancing (no seating in middle row), masks, filtering air systems, new air versus recirculated air, less or no beverage service, generally no food service was reducing various air particle sizes that might carry virus. Per Tugg, do all of those things that reduce your chances of contacting or spreading the virus. Or per Pareto always do at least the 20% that gives you and those around you 80% chances of staying alive and healthy.

c933103 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

I suggest you update the title before the discussion turns into a flamebait regarding the unnecessary "Wuhan" part

I am trying to be specific that this is specifically about the coronavirus currently causing pandemic, instead of regular cold-causing generic coronaviruses or other coronaviruses like the one that caused 2003 epidemic, or the other one that came from Middle East, or any other strain only in circulation among animals, because the implication would be totally different

Not 100% sure where you are getting at but I am sure that all the endemic coronaviruses are spread by aerosols they just cause colds. We know that SARS did and the outbreak in Kowloon, Hong Kong where it was transmitted by exhaust fans from someone's bathroom. Same with the super-spreading event at the Metropole hotel in Hong Kong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%8 ... #Hong_Kong

Yes, CDC didn't say much, that is the problem.

From the beginning (I believe Hong Kong apartment complex transmission), there were questions about fecal-oral transmission. CDC never gave guidance.
There were questions about toilet flushing and aerosol transmission for months, now CDC saying may be.
What about any closed spaces like office rooms, classrooms, malls, now winter coming it is not possible to keep the doors and windows open.
Airlines are doing everything, that is good, but the restrooms are shared by several, how can one avoid transmission, no guidance. At least for domestic travel they should recommend not to use the restroom.

They should be at the forefront in guiding us, not doing postmortem. My expectation from CDC "We don't have enough data to confirm or deny, but just to be safe do this". That is not going shutdown economy.

c933103 wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-20/coronavirus-aerosol-airborne-spread
They finally admitted that "There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others and travel distances beyond six feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants or in fitness classes)."

Why they took so much time to confirm what we have already knew in January?

What do you mean by "admit?"

Did they previously say aerosol transmission is NOT how COVID19 is spread? Confusing.

CDC did emphasize large particles over aerosols. That seems to have been a simplification that was wrong. But they did emphasize avoiding indoor crowds, wearing masks especially if you must be indoors.

And I just got a news popup saying that the CDC has withdrawn that statement...this is why you need stable leadership at all levels of government rather than partisan hacks. Nothing like sowing doubt on a government agency's mission to contain, treat, and prevent diseases.

einsteinboricua wrote:

And I just got a news popup saying that the CDC has withdrawn that statement...this is why you need stable leadership at all levels of government rather than partisan hacks. Nothing like sowing doubt on a government agency's mission to contain, treat, and prevent diseases.

My bet is that the radicalized right spent the weekend explaining the CDC announcement to Fat Donald. After he was fully confused he was told to kill the CDC announcement or face defeat in the Nov Election.

M564038 wrote:

Thread starter doing his best to look like a child with inventing names for the virus.
It has an internationally recognized name, it is called SARS-CoV-2, grow up.

Americans should be very careful with the blame game after the 1918 Kansas-Virus!

*Sigh*

There's plenty of blame to go around, I don't see why it's such a hard concept.

Therefore, why is an American who realizes how inadequate the US "response" was/is not allowed criticize China for their handling in the Dec-early Jan timeframe? Even Trump was saying the PRC had it under control before he started facing criticism for letting it become a national epidemic.

https://scroll.in/latest/973753/coronav ... -infection
CDC deleted it claiming it's draft

"Droplets and particles" are "droplet" transmission. There is actually a technical difference between "droplet" and "aerosol." Outside of this context, in common use, an aerosol is a cloud of droplets.