As I have said before, it’s comforting that despite all the divisions, our reliable hands at the FBI keep doing their thing to keep Americans safe.

This time, they have caught six militia wackos trying to organize the kidnapping and possible ‘taking’ of Michigan Governor Whitmer. An additional seven associated people were brought in under MI’s anti-terrorism efforts. It can’t be a very pleasant day for her family and friends.

A militia group planned to violently depose Michigan's government and abduct Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D), the FBI said in a federal affidavit filed Thursday.

"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit, obtained by the Detroit News. "The group decided they needed to increase their numbers and encouraged each other to talk to their neighbors and spread their message."

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... vernor?amp

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:

I don’t know who needs to hear this but just imagine the reaction if it would have been discovered that anyone connected to Black Lives Matter was plotting to kidnap a United States Governor.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856

Stop calling them a militia group. It legitimizes them. These are domestic terrorists.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

But yes let's go on and on about how ANTIFA and BLM are the real ones we have to watch out for while radical right groups are very literally trying to overthrow state governments. Literally.

And these are Trump's 'good people'. Another reason why he must lose re-election, even removed from office now.

This governor was trying to save lives, even those of these White Extremist Terrorists. The plot may have predated the first deaths of Covid-19, as early as January 2020, but became big after the Governor ordered tight restrictions, some very offensive to many WS types, to prevent the spread of it. Meanwhile her life and that of her family has been put through hell of terrorism for months, likely facing PTSD and who knows some other potential attacks. And you wonder why many good people won't become politicians.

Aaron747 wrote:

This time, they have caught six militia wackos trying to organize the kidnapping and possible ‘taking’ of Michigan Governor Whitmer. An additional seven associated people were brought in under MI’s anti-terrorism efforts.

To bad they can't be convicted before the election..13 votes less for Trump.

Best regards
Thomas

Revelation wrote:

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:

I don’t know who needs to hear this but just imagine the reaction if it would have been discovered that anyone connected to Black Lives Matter was plotting to kidnap a United States Governor.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856

Stop calling them a militia group. It legitimizes them. These are domestic terrorists.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

Street protests fine, walking up and shooting two cops in cold blood bad.

winginit wrote:

But yes let's go on and on about how ANTIFA and BLM are the real ones we have to watch out for while radical right groups are very literally trying to overthrow state governments. Literally.

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

NIKV69 wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:

I don’t know who needs to hear this but just imagine the reaction if it would have been discovered that anyone connected to Black Lives Matter was plotting to kidnap a United States Governor.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856

Stop calling them a militia group. It legitimizes them. These are domestic terrorists.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

Street protests fine, walking up and shooting two cops in cold blood bad.

winginit wrote:

But yes let's go on and on about how ANTIFA and BLM are the real ones we have to watch out for while radical right groups are very literally trying to overthrow state governments. Literally.

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

Are you somehow conflating BLM with a random cop killer nutjob in Compton??

NIKV69 wrote:

winginit wrote:

But yes let's go on and on about how ANTIFA and BLM are the real ones we have to watch out for while radical right groups are very literally trying to overthrow state governments. Literally.

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

I like Dave Chapelle's suggestion the best: the quickest way to get the gun laws to change is for every African American to go get a permit for a legal gun.

People! Everyone, HELLO.. !

You are missing the most important thing with this:

The FBI is DEEP STATE and FILLED with lifelong agents and people that want to only enhance the deep-state they love and support (and that loves and supports them). This is all to make militia's and "conservative" and right-wing causes and Trump etc. look bad so the election is pushed to a more deep state candidate.

Please people, can't you see this? Isn't it obvious? Are you blind to the vast conspiracy we are in the middle of?

Tugg

Tugger wrote:

People! Everyone, HELLO.. !

You are missing the most important thing with this:

The FBI is DEEP STATE and FILLED with lifelong agents and people that want to only enhance the deep-state they love and support (and that loves and supports them). This is all to make militia's and "conservative" and right-wing causes and Trump etc. look bad so the election is pushed to a more deep state candidate.

Please people, can't you see this? Isn't it obvious? Are you blind to the vast conspiracy we are in the middle of?

Tugg

Silly me, should have realized the ‘Wolverine Watchmen’ sounded suspiciously like a Quantico beer league team!

NIKV69 wrote:

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

Adults take account for their actions and don't blame it on someone else for 'riling' them up. If someone is calling for highly restrictive gun laws, that is their right to do so, as objectionable as someone else may find that view. It does not give license to crazies to get riled up and plot violent actions against a sitting governor, or otherwise excuse or legitimize the actions.

Call them what they are. These men are terrorists

skyservice_330 wrote:

Adults take account for their actions and don't blame it on someone else for 'riling' them up. If someone is calling for highly restrictive gun laws, that is their right to do so, as objectionable as someone else may find that view. It does not give license to crazies to get riled up and plot violent actions against a sitting governor, or otherwise excuse or legitimize the actions.

The lack of sane and reasonable restrictions (i.e., banning assault-style rifles, limiting the size of ammunition magazines) is what makes these groups so dangerous.

NIKV69 wrote:

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

Terrorists. The word you're looking for is terrorists.

Tugger wrote:

People! Everyone, HELLO.. !

You are missing the most important thing with this:

The FBI is DEEP STATE and FILLED with lifelong agents and people that want to only enhance the deep-state they love and support (and that loves and supports them). This is all to make militia's and "conservative" and right-wing causes and Trump etc. look bad so the election is pushed to a more deep state candidate.

Please people, can't you see this? Isn't it obvious? Are you blind to the vast conspiracy we are in the middle of?

Tugg

I didn't know "Q" had an a.net account

So the pretend soldiers got their toys taken away....about damned time

ER757 wrote:

Tugger wrote:

People! Everyone, HELLO.. !

You are missing the most important thing with this:

The FBI is DEEP STATE and FILLED with lifelong agents and people that want to only enhance the deep-state they love and support (and that loves and supports them). This is all to make militia's and "conservative" and right-wing causes and Trump etc. look bad so the election is pushed to a more deep state candidate.

Please people, can't you see this? Isn't it obvious? Are you blind to the vast conspiracy we are in the middle of?

Tugg

I didn't know "Q" had an a.net account

So the pretend soldiers got their toys taken away....about damned time

He's being sarcastic.

Meanwhile, instead of talking about the 13 terrorists arrested in Michigan, we're talking about how gun nuts might get their feelings hurt. Maybe those snowflakes should suck it up?

Systematic oppression, acts of violence and some brutality in minority neighborhoods leads to riots-too bad, they’d be more credible if they kept quiet and incited change silently blah blah blah

Politician says mean words about them-time to kill the governor, you drove them to this, it’s not their fault etc etc

The double standard is sickening. This group is a terrorist group. That’s it, end of conversation. They organized and planned to execute a plot to incite terror ergo they are terrorists.

Militiamen are triggered / riled up, apparently by having to hear political views / rhetoric that they don't like or agree with (views that the people espousing them have a right to do, no less), and start making violent plans to harm a politician ... and the solution is for those espousing the view to stop talking. What an affront to all those that have died to protect the rights of Americans to air their political views free from harm.

The solution is that the militiamen should learn how to control their emotions and not be so triggered and to not do violent things.

FGITD wrote:

Call them what they are. These men are terrorists

Spot on.

You dislike Gov. Whitmer and her policies? Fine - defeat her at the ballot box or in court.

When you plot to kidnap or harm a leader because you don't like them or how they lead, you're a terrorist and should be treated as such.

EA CO AS wrote:

FGITD wrote:

Call them what they are. These men are terrorists

Spot on.

You dislike Gov. Whitmer and her policies? Fine - defeat her at the ballot box or in court.

When you plot to kidnap or harm a leader because you don't like them or how they lead, you're a terrorist and should be treated as such.

This. The irony is, Gov. Whitmer was already knocked down a peg in state court. These wackos think ‘owning libs’ means meting out ‘justice’ with weaponry.

This is all a result of the continued rhetoric and issues within Michigan that have gone on for decades.

Anyone remember Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh?

The militias have been and continue to be a problem in Michigan. Dog Whistlers in the GOP continue to exacerbate the issue.

A sad state of affairs. Did anyone see the Republican disavow any of these type Loons last night during the debate? Has anyone seen any Republicans in Congress disavow anything like calling the VP Candidate and sitting US Senator a Monster more than once by the current occupant of the White House. ???

These loonies are idiots. They were trying to start a civil war apparently. Well, kidnapping a governer is not how you do that. That is how you get the FBI and an overwhelming force of state troopers on high alert and arrest you. And if for some reason they didn't arrest them on time and they started attacking the capital, that force of troopers would have decimated them since they were on high alert. In fact, a small part of me wishes to have seen the show

Also, what the hell is this obsession of starting a civil war? If you don't like D governers, then move to a state with an R governer. Simple



And if you want to live in a quasi-theocracy, we even have that as an option in the American Samoa and northern Marina islands, where abortion is illegal and society is closed on Sundays

casinterest wrote:

This is all a result of the continued rhetoric and issues within Michigan that have gone on for decades.

Anyone remember Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh?

The militias have been and continue to be a problem in Michigan. Dog Whistlers in the GOP continue to exacerbate the issue.

Ugh, Terry Nichols. Who can forget this scene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEyQgxLmGmI

Aaron747 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

This is all a result of the continued rhetoric and issues within Michigan that have gone on for decades.

Anyone remember Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh?

The militias have been and continue to be a problem in Michigan. Dog Whistlers in the GOP continue to exacerbate the issue.

Ugh, Terry Nichols. Who can forget this scene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEyQgxLmGmI

Nothing has changed evidently, probably worse because of the sad and tragic leadership now in D.C.

NIKV69 wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:

I don’t know who needs to hear this but just imagine the reaction if it would have been discovered that anyone connected to Black Lives Matter was plotting to kidnap a United States Governor.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856

Stop calling them a militia group. It legitimizes them. These are domestic terrorists.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

Street protests fine, walking up and shooting two cops in cold blood bad.

winginit wrote:

But yes let's go on and on about how ANTIFA and BLM are the real ones we have to watch out for while radical right groups are very literally trying to overthrow state governments. Literally.

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

The first part sure, I would hope everyone would agree with that.

The second part....YOU quoted him in full and YOU are the first person to mention confiscating guns, who is trying to rile up the crazies?

NIKV69 wrote:

It's rants like this that leads to these militias acting out.

If they where proper constitution abiding US Citizens their stance would be: "I don´t like what you have to say, but i´d fight to my death for your right to say it".

Again if you push these people too far you are going to have a problem..

yeah... and if women wear short skirts they push men to rape them. Or if you push Muslims too far, they fly planes into buildings. I didn´t expect you to be that far on the side of Al Quida.

best regards
Thomas

How ironic that this militant group think that the constitution allows private militaria groups. it doesn't. They apparently don't have the reading comprehensive skills to understand the constitution.

Yet they wanted to kidnapped and illegally put on trial then assassinate a Governor which is unconstitutional. Our constitution doesn't allow this. Yet in their warped minds, they think she's the one not following our constitution. Next we are going to hear about another militaria group going after Gold Star families, because Trump thinks he got the Corona Virus from fallen soldiers family. With absolutely no proof. Unbelievable, but hey Trump wants the proud boys to stand by (roll eyes)

NIKV69 wrote:

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

You believe in appeasement of terrorists. These people cannot handle being responsible adults. Apart from the obvious lifestyle choice similarities, is there another reason you believe such criminals and garbage people should be armed? That is not an adult position to occupy.

NIKV69 wrote:

Again if you push these people too far you are going to have a problem.

You do not believe it is a problem to push Blacks and other minorities. So why do you consider this to be a different matter?

stl07 wrote:

Also, what the hell is this obsession of starting a civil war? If you don't like D governers, then move to a state with an R governer. Simple.

I have often also wondered this myself. The whole Civil War II prediction seems to come exclusively from the MAGA & alt right crowd. They seem to want it to happen so intensely, yet cannot define how it even would...

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

Yet they wanted to kidnapped and illegally put on trial then assassinate a Governor

and nothing says "Rule of Law", "Fair trial" and "Justice" like deciding the penalty pre-trial.

best regards
Thomas

I'm not sure terrorism is the right word, especially when this word is already used to describe all kind of people that don't really fit the profile.

Aren't these people traitors ?

I'm sure they'll like being called that.

DarkSnowyNight wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

You believe in appeasement of terrorists. These people cannot handle being responsible adults. Apart from the obvious lifestyle choice similarities, is there another reason you believe such criminals and garbage people should be armed? That is not an adult position to occupy.

It's ridiculous. Rephrase the statement to apply to non-white terrorists for additional effect:


"Charlie Hebdo, stop going on with your caricatures of Prophet Mohammad. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles the ISIS crazies up to shoot up your offices"

Incidentally I wanted to start a thread about that. In the land of the free, have caricatures of Mohammad been published ?

Aesma wrote:

Incidentally I wanted to start a thread about that. In the land of the free, have caricatures of Mohammad been published ?

most definitely, depending on your definition of published.

StarAC17 wrote:

ER757 wrote:

Tugger wrote:

People! Everyone, HELLO.. !

You are missing the most important thing with this:

The FBI is DEEP STATE and FILLED with lifelong agents and people that want to only enhance the deep-state they love and support (and that loves and supports them). This is all to make militia's and "conservative" and right-wing causes and Trump etc. look bad so the election is pushed to a more deep state candidate.

Please people, can't you see this? Isn't it obvious? Are you blind to the vast conspiracy we are in the middle of?

Tugg

I didn't know "Q" had an a.net account

So the pretend soldiers got their toys taken away....about damned time

He's being sarcastic.

Yeah, I got that - hence the ROTFL emoji, but thanks

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

Yet in their warped minds, they think she's the one not following our constitution.

Actually the MI supreme court ruled she wasn't.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... ncy-powers

NIKV69 wrote:

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

Yet in their warped minds, they think she's the one not following our constitution.

Actually the MI supreme court ruled she wasn't.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... ncy-powers

Well let's remember, a bunch of dumb homicidal GOP members want to kill everyone by opening up for Money.

NIKV69 wrote:

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

Yet in their warped minds, they think she's the one not following our constitution.

Actually the MI supreme court ruled she wasn't.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... ncy-powers

Yes, and she got her hand slapped. That's why we have 3 branches of government. That's also why we have elections. Kidnapping/killing elected officials has no place in a modern, democratic society. And Yes, I'm a Michigan resident.
PS--Just looking at the mugshots, you can see that none of them were deep thinkers. Just a bunch of losers who wanted to be (in)famous.

NIKV69 wrote:

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

You mean like 'LIBERATE MICHIGAN!' by a certain individual? Toxic rhetoric like that perhaps?

Revelation wrote:

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:

I don’t know who needs to hear this but just imagine the reaction if it would have been discovered that anyone connected to Black Lives Matter was plotting to kidnap a United States Governor.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856

Stop calling them a militia group. It legitimizes them. These are domestic terrorists.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

It is possible to believe that redneck militiamen and anarchist rioters are both bad.

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:


Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856


Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

Street protests fine, walking up and shooting two cops in cold blood bad.

winginit wrote:

But yes let's go on and on about how ANTIFA and BLM are the real ones we have to watch out for while radical right groups are very literally trying to overthrow state governments. Literally.

Stop going on about how you are going to confiscate guns. It's this and other toxic rhetoric that riles these crazies up.

Are you somehow conflating BLM with a random cop killer nutjob in Compton??

The man who shot 10 police officers and killed 5 of them in Dallas a few years ago specifically cited Black Lives Matter as his motivation for doing so.

FGITD wrote:

Systematic oppression, acts of violence and some brutality in minority neighborhoods leads to riots-too bad, they’d be more credible if they kept quiet and incited change silently blah blah blah

Politician says mean words about them-time to kill the governor, you drove them to this, it’s not their fault etc etc

The double standard is sickening. This group is a terrorist group. That’s it, end of conversation. They organized and planned to execute a plot to incite terror ergo they are terrorists.

Absolutely agreed. Call them what they are-terrorists. Plus a few other adjectives that are a bit impolite to post here.

N583JB wrote:

FGITD wrote:

Systematic oppression, acts of violence and some brutality in minority neighborhoods leads to riots-too bad, they’d be more credible if they kept quiet and incited change silently blah blah blah

Politician says mean words about them-time to kill the governor, you drove them to this, it’s not their fault etc etc

The double standard is sickening. This group is a terrorist group. That’s it, end of conversation. They organized and planned to execute a plot to incite terror ergo they are terrorists.

Absolutely agreed. Call them what they are-terrorists. Plus a few other adjectives that are a bit impolite to post here.

Credit where due, friend. I don’t always agree with some of your posts, but it’s nice to see eye to eye on this one rather than the mental gymnastics some people will go through to try and justify. I might not like how some things are, but in the end if you care about the country, we've already got some common ground. You don't unite a country by tearing it down.

Unfortunately one of the best ways back to compromise is to establish the extremes.

Some of the kinder adjectives I might suggest are cowards, traitors, and the like

N583JB wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:

I don’t know who needs to hear this but just imagine the reaction if it would have been discovered that anyone connected to Black Lives Matter was plotting to kidnap a United States Governor.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856

Stop calling them a militia group. It legitimizes them. These are domestic terrorists.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

It is possible to believe that redneck militiamen and anarchist rioters are both bad.

That's the good thing about being a Moderate, politically. You can plainly see that there are nuts on both ends of the spectrum.

NIKV69 wrote:

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

Yet in their warped minds, they think she's the one not following our constitution.

Actually the MI supreme court ruled she wasn't.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... ncy-powers

Interesting using your logic President Trump is the most unconstitutional president we have ever had. He has prevailed only 47 percent of the time, a worse record than that of his predecessors going back at least as far as Franklin D. Roosevelt.

so let that sink in. TRUMP HAS BEEN RULED UNCONSTITUTIONA 47 PERCENT OF THE TIME.

Getting back on point, are you saying that you support what these 11 person did?

N583JB wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Some interesting reaction from Jemele Hill @jemelehill on Twitter:

I don’t know who needs to hear this but just imagine the reaction if it would have been discovered that anyone connected to Black Lives Matter was plotting to kidnap a United States Governor.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 7402873856

Stop calling them a militia group. It legitimizes them. These are domestic terrorists.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1 ... 9627226112

Street protests bad, kidnapping governors good, smh...

It is possible to believe that redneck militiamen and anarchist rioters are both bad.

Right, but the rhetorical leap you and Nikki are making is "street protester" equals "anarchist rioter" or "cop killer"

Same old same old, let's bury the lede story about what these 13 people did by a series of false and distracting equivalences.

N583JB wrote:

The man who shot 10 police officers and killed 5 of them in Dallas a few years ago specifically cited Black Lives Matter as his motivation for doing so.

Right, and the Crusaders specifically cited Jesus Christ as their motivation for killing Muslims.

Note the direction of those relationships: Jesus never said anything about killing others.

ER757 wrote:

StarAC17 wrote:

ER757 wrote:

I didn't know "Q" had an a.net account

So the pretend soldiers got their toys taken away....about damned time

He's being sarcastic.

Yeah, I got that - hence the ROTFL emoji, but thanks

I didn't see the emoji when I replied on my phone, all good.

Revelation wrote:

Right, but the rhetorical leap you and Nikki are making is "street protester" equals "anarchist rioter" or "cop killer"

Same old same old, let's bury the lede story about what these 13 people did by a series of false and distracting equivalences.

I've never made such equivalences. Moreover, I'm against using broad generalizations to demonize people that disagree with me politically.

Revelation wrote:

Right, and the Crusaders specifically cited Jesus Christ as their motivation for killing Muslims.

Note the direction of those relationships: Jesus never said anything about killing others.

But BLM has directly been responsible for a lot of the anti-cop rhetoric that has been prevalent in this country over the last decade. If you keep telling people that "cops are evil, all cops are bad, etc etc etc" then you shouldn't be surprised when some of those people act violently. That goes for any extremist group.