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Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:33 am

I don't get why it's only legal in certain counties in Nevada. The only state in the USA where it's legal. I believe it should be legal and regulated. I like the model of brothel only but the escort way works too. No street walking.

What say you?
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:34 am

Prostitution is legal across the United States.

You simply need to make sure, with consent from all parties involved, that it’s all on tape and call it ‘pornography’
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:37 am

It should be legalized and regulated so as to allow sex workers to have protections, rights and allow the whole business to be safer for everyone involved.
It will also take care of the nasty underlying criminal network that usually runs these activities.
Just like for drugs, fighting prostitution is not a battle anyone will ever win and ignoring it just makes it worse.
Unlike drugs however, with proper regulation and measures, it will not result in a potential public health issue.

Also... Tax revenue.

Win-win.

Now, to convince those sitting on the moral high horses, usually older conservatives and religious nuts, is a different issue...
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:25 am

Francoflier wrote:
Now, to convince those sitting on the moral high horses, usually older conservatives and religious nuts, is a different issue...

If history has shown us anything, it's that those on the moral high horses are usually the ones who make use of the services.

Remember how Gov. Edwards of LA hammered then Sen. Vitter about his scandal? a family values Republican having to be reminded of the DC Madam affair?
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:30 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Now, to convince those sitting on the moral high horses, usually older conservatives and religious nuts, is a different issue...

If history has shown us anything, it's that those on the moral high horses are usually the ones who make use of the services.

Remember how Gov. Edwards of LA hammered then Sen. Vitter about his scandal? a family values Republican having to be reminded of the DC Madam affair?


Truth. Contrary to claims from red staters about how Californians live, some of my most liberal relatives and friends are strictly monogamous and would never utilize these services. Had a good life lesson early when in college when hanging out in SF's Tenderloin. A bar an older friend and I sometimes frequented was across the street from a famous tranny bar. One night we stayed a little later than usual and my friend said 'watch what happens after 1 am'. I was like what? Sure enough, every few minutes an expensive car would come down the hill, pull up to a group of tranny hookers, and after brief consultation one would get in with the old white dude in every car. Now I have no way of knowing the life story of the rich punters, but based on how they looked and dressed, would be hard pressed at the time not to call them card-carrying GOPers.
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:42 am

Like many, I have moral and practical conflicts as to the legalization of sexual prostitution for money. Yes, it is legal in the USA in a few low population counties in Nevada, but even there non-legal prostitution thrives. There has been discussions at this site of for example the 'hookers express' of Friday afternoon/early evening flights from LAX and other southern California airports to Las Vegas with many prostitutes traveling for their work as well as where it is legalized in some countries and the issue of criminal sexual exploitation.

There are various forms of legal and illegal prostitution. The reasons for legal forms are most importantly for public health, get it off the street, protect the prostitutes and tax their revenues. Over the last 15-20 years, there has been a major shift from houses and street forms to advertising and contacts via the internet making it more difficult to try to control it. Even where legal, as I noted above, illegal forms continue to thrive, especially with minors, sex tourism and criminal sexual exploitation organizations.

I think we will see shifts toward more legalized forms much like we have with the legalization of marijuana for a variety of practical reasons. We are more likely to see a shift from the 'red light' district forms like in Amsterdam or cities in Germany with brightly lit locations, to more discrete locations, perhaps away from city centers like in commercial and industrial areas. I believe this has been the form that has developed in the last 5-10 years in some states of Australia and NZ. What is really needed is a balance, to make it so men and women don't have to turn to prostitution for financial survival and discourage it by those that buy it with moral pressures but also recognize that 'legal' forms are necessary to limit the risks to all by illegal forms.
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:53 am

ltbewr wrote:
What is really needed is a balance, to make it so men and women don't have to turn to prostitution for financial survival

I assume India has women that are more poor than poor US women and who don't go into prostitution.

If a woman has no capacity for attachment, why should she not become a prostitute?

Just like with gay marriage:
Why should I bother?

I believe drugs carry a high risk. I'm against legalization. If somebody goes to a prostitute, what risk does he take?

Here a guy who married his favorite prostitute. His world seems to have been o.k.
https://youtu.be/CWzrABouyeE
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:53 pm

World's oldest profession.

And it ought to be legal--it's the free exchange of goods and services without duress. It's the classically liberal, or put another way, libertarian, position.

Obviously, this does not apply in cases of human trafficking and sex trafficking, for which there is a great deal still going on in the world.
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:38 pm

slider wrote:
World's oldest profession.


Don't change the subject by bringing fruit sales into this :praise:

slider wrote:
And it ought to be legal--it's the free exchange of goods and services without duress. It's the classically liberal, or put another way, libertarian, position.

Obviously, this does not apply in cases of human trafficking and sex trafficking, for which there is a great deal still going on in the world.


It should be legal if only to cut down in human trafficking. It is not always about sex anyway. Sometimes, a person simply wants company. Either way, as long as they are adults, why should it be an issue?
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:53 pm

slider wrote:
World's oldest profession.

And it ought to be legal--it's the free exchange of goods and services without duress. It's the classically liberal, or put another way, libertarian, position.

Obviously, this does not apply in cases of human trafficking and sex trafficking, for which there is a great deal still going on in the world.

The key element for any legalization of it will be to 100% prevent sex trafficking. And that is my only concern with legalizing prostitution. I am fine with it being legal, regulated, and safe for all parties involved. And that "safe" part is critical regarding eliminating and constantly fighting the illegal and organized criminal elements that will always be at least a potential issue.

Tugg
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:04 pm

Legal, regulated and tax subject like every other service.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:10 am

Tugger wrote:
slider wrote:
World's oldest profession.

And it ought to be legal--it's the free exchange of goods and services without duress. It's the classically liberal, or put another way, libertarian, position.

Obviously, this does not apply in cases of human trafficking and sex trafficking, for which there is a great deal still going on in the world.

The key element for any legalization of it will be to 100% prevent sex trafficking. And that is my only concern with legalizing prostitution. I am fine with it being legal, regulated, and safe for all parties involved. And that "safe" part is critical regarding eliminating and constantly fighting the illegal and organized criminal elements that will always be at least a potential issue.

Tugg


There will still be that group that wants the thrill of doing something illegal. The market will always be there. If people still want to make the "I need to cut my grass but only a quarter of it" call, fine. Same with prostitution. Or any drug, really, as long as minors are not involved.

That came out awkward, but you know what I mean. Whatever consenting adults want to do, let them. If they want to make coded texts or calls for doing the dirty or smoking whatever, let them. I don't know what the big deal is. If people want to quote spiritual passages to each other, let them. Rants on symphonic vs. chamber, let them
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:19 am

There is no logical reason for it to be illegal. And it shouldn't be taxed. Men have been paying for sex via dates, meals, flowers, jewelery, etc for centuries. Why should cash on the nightstand be any different?
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:37 am

I don't think sex workers offering sex service should be treated any differently than signers and dancers offering sign and dance.
Trafficking and coercing people into the work is a specialty of the industry but the only way to deal with this is to put the industry under board daylight and allow examination and investigation into its details.
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:29 am

Francoflier wrote:
as to allow sex workers to have protections, rights.


i think that is exactly why it is illegal.

TTailedTiger wrote:
There is no logical reason for it to be illegal. And it shouldn't be taxed. Men have been paying for sex via dates, meals, flowers, jewelery, etc for centuries. Why should cash on the nightstand be any different?


So, flowers, jewelry and restaurant visits are Tax exempt if you try to bed someone?

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Thomas
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:10 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
as to allow sex workers to have protections, rights.


i think that is exactly why it is illegal.

TTailedTiger wrote:
There is no logical reason for it to be illegal. And it shouldn't be taxed. Men have been paying for sex via dates, meals, flowers, jewelery, etc for centuries. Why should cash on the nightstand be any different?


So, flowers, jewelry and restaurant visits are Tax exempt if you try to bed someone?

best regards
Thomas


For the recipient? Most definitely.
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 am

Buying sex became illegal here around 10 years ago, while selling is legal.
This has reduced trafficking, reduced prostitution and made it safer for those still selling. A very succesfull way of doing it.
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:07 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
as to allow sex workers to have protections, rights.


i think that is exactly why it is illegal.

TTailedTiger wrote:
There is no logical reason for it to be illegal. And it shouldn't be taxed. Men have been paying for sex via dates, meals, flowers, jewelery, etc for centuries. Why should cash on the nightstand be any different?


So, flowers, jewelry and restaurant visits are Tax exempt if you try to bed someone?

best regards
Thomas


For the recipient? Most definitely.


well, they don´t run the business providing the stuff, a prostitute does and that makes it income like any other. And that is of course taxable.

best regards
Thomas
 
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Re: Political Positions (Prostitution)

Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:16 pm

M564038 wrote:
This has reduced trafficking, reduced prostitution and made it safer for those still selling. A very succesfull way of doing it.


mm... at leas there most trafficking cases come to the attention of the police because the customers tell them when they had the feeling she is not working because she chose to. If you make it a crime to go to a prostitute this will obviously stop, and you get lower trafficking numbers....

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