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Political Position (Gaming)

Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:42 pm

This is another one I don't get. Why NY and other states are slow walking this. After the SCOTUS opened the door for sportsbetting Gov Murphy had it going in two weeks. Cuomo? Nothing. Casinos are great source of jobs etc.

For the record I am only really interested in poker. I don't do slots or table games or go into the sportsbook but casinos have something for everyone. Bingo, Keno etc.

I am at a loss why more states don't have legalized gaming. I know the lottery is a cash cow but.

Discuss.
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:46 pm

Together with the prostitution topic, I guess the participation of Christian in exile in the process of United States creation still have lasting impact till now in these aspects?
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:36 pm

I suspect politics and the fact that "Indian Gaming" has been the way gaming was allowed in many states is what is driving the ...pause(?) in any expansion of gaming. Basically the local industry that has a monopoly will do what it can to maintain that and if unable make sure they are able to hold a prime position in whatever is set forth.

And honestly I don't mind that. I am good with legal gaming with strong gaming control agencies.

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Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:07 pm

It should be legal - and controlled - everywhere, but nanny state groups and fundies don’t like it.

What’s interesting about casinos is how they attract such noticeably different clientele - go to one and everyone’s loaded and having a good time, go to another and the unbathed addicts are at every slot under a depressing cloud of tobacco smoke.
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:37 pm

I am not a big fan of casino gaming. I have been in casinos in my home state of NJ a few times, the first time at Ceasers when it first opened in 1979, but never in Las Vegas a few 'Indian' casinos in CT and western States, and near Ottawa, Canada. Still I would rather it be legal than before NJ's legalization in 1977 that most gambling was illegal by organized criminal groups. Still I have issues with casinos and their expansion as may encourage gambling addictions and compulsions, losing their paychecks and savings, competition cannibalizing, economic swings and uneven employment and revenues like from COVID-19, and too often, as with Atlantic City, little real improvement to the local communities. Problem is that states are addicted to any way to increase revenues by not raising broad taxes like on income, sales, property, cars and so on to keep getting reelected.
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:57 pm

I miss poker being legal, and with the lottery everywhere, perhaps gambling should come back.
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:23 pm

The Lottery delivers Mega Dollars to states, which legal poker would not deliver. Can you see the various Treasuries going after a cut of each hand?

The Native American's systems work pretty well. They deliver major investments to keep the locals happy, plus investing in the Indian Communities. There is so much money in legal Indian casinos that politicians could shift the costs of the BIA to them, allowing for more money to go to the VA Health Care.

If you really want poker to be Legal and there is no legals casino close to you then you can Google where the costs one is and take part of your potential losses to prepay travel, food and motel costs.
 
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:00 pm

Gambling is legal here - we have casinos, etc.

Problem is some people get addicted to it and ruin their lives trying to fund the addiction. You could either ban them or have good support organisations in place to help those people get over the gambling addiction.
 
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:23 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
It should be legal - and controlled - everywhere, but nanny state groups and fundies don’t like it.

What’s interesting about casinos is how they attract such noticeably different clientele - go to one and everyone’s loaded and having a good time, go to another and the unbathed addicts are at every slot under a depressing cloud of tobacco smoke.


Has a lot to do with the location of the property.
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:50 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
This is another one I don't get. Why NY and other states are slow walking this. After the SCOTUS opened the door for sportsbetting Gov Murphy had it going in two weeks. Cuomo? Nothing. Casinos are great source of jobs etc.

For the record I am only really interested in poker. I don't do slots or table games or go into the sportsbook but casinos have something for everyone. Bingo, Keno etc.

I am at a loss why more states don't have legalized gaming. I know the lottery is a cash cow but.

Discuss.

In NY State, Horse Racing is actually still a big thing, and I do think the NYRA still has influence over what goes on in Albany on this front. One worry I see is if Sports betting goes mainstream in NY, Aqueduct, Belmont, and Saratoga can really take a hit. (Saratoga is a major part of the Economy during the Summer in the areas north of Albany as the track brings tons of money into the region). That being said, there is a legal casino operating near Aqueduct.

One other thing with your post is that New Jersey has a history of gaming with the Casino's in Atlantic City. Sports betting is not that big a leap for them to take.

Also of note, Casinos in recent years have been an economic boon to the Native American tribes. Foxwoods is the largest casino in North American, and it attracts folks from New York and Boston (Not so much Boston anymore since the Encore in Everett opened). How many politicians, especially democratic ones, want to ailenate this key constituency?


But I agree with you, I think if anything it should be more legal. Going back to the NYRA point, in Texas where I live it is illegal to online bet on races outside of the state. This was a 12 hour law passed by a GOP legislature a few years ago, and it is the stupidest law I have ever heard of, and no it doesn't do tracks in Texas any good either. I would love to take a day or two and pull up Belmont and try to win a few bucks by handicapping races. Unfortunately, all I can do now is handicap for fun unless I want to take a Day trip to JFK and go to Aqueduct or Belmont.
 
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:03 am

cpd wrote:
Gambling is legal here - we have casinos, etc.

Problem is some people get addicted to it and ruin their lives trying to fund the addiction. You could either ban them or have good support organisations in place to help those people get over the gambling addiction.


The expansion of poker machines (slot machines) from the licensed clubs (mini casinos, but established for community purposes) to most hotels has caused problems in the Australian state of New South Wales, and to a lesser extent in others. There is some support at a national level for dedicated stored value cards for problem poker machine gamblers, especially given that the largest profits tend to come from low socio-economic areas.

Australia is addicted to gambling. Every state has at least one large casino, and Sydney is about to have its second, with an accompanying 75 storey tower. Online sports betting is everywhere. There are lotteries, and the formerly Government owned lottery businesses and racing betting shops have been privatised.

Gambling is a problem, but it brings big profits and decent tax revenue.
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:27 pm

Oregon used to have liquor and gaming laws tied together. Electronic gaming machines and state run keno could only be played where spirits are served and spirits could only be served at places with full food menus. I have not had any reason to look into it recently, but I guess it is still the same.

I like the big Nevada casinos. I play roulette and wander. We have to Native casinos here but I have not wanted to visit either one. The one on the water has a food truck rally every year so that is the only reason we go there. I don't care one way or the other. I would rather have them, especially if they are on a major travel route mostly so I can have a rest break. Throw a dollar into a machine, lose, use the facilities, and leave. Seems like a win-win.
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:57 am

apodino wrote:
In NY State, Horse Racing is actually still a big thing,


So is the % of their handle they have to pay to operate. :dollarsign:
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Re: Political Position (Gaming)

Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:01 am

I was just remembering when the wife and I went through Las Vegas over half a century ago. I got tickets to see Ella Fitzgerald and I went to the casino early to give the guy at the door $20 for a good seat. We were up front - perfect seats for a perfect show. A while back (before the last 2 cancers) we were able to see Frank Sinatra Jr.at the local Hard Rock Cafe. Almost as good as Frank Sr.

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