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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:49 pm

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Aesma

How far left is AOC?.


She's left of the socialist party in France (or let's say, in the left wing of it), right of the communists and other far left parties. Social-democrat with a strong emphasis on social. And the environment of course, but all parties here are for the environment, to various degrees.

BTW the green new deal would be a great way to give jobs that can't be offshored to millions of blue collar people in the US...
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm

Vladex wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Vladex wrote:
Angry Joe gets 138k votes out of nothing and everyone else gets 0 votes. As he said it's a voter fraud.

What did you expect to happen in Wayne county? It was a large dump of votes from Wayne at once that caused the spike.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:51 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
This year, I voted for Biden/Harris, but for every down-ballot race, I voted for Republicans.
People (outside of the AOCs of the world) want competent, functional gov't.
Not chaos.


So you voted for lawmakers that will pass a bill and President who won't sign it? You have to explain that one to me.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:52 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
This year, I voted for Biden/Harris, but for every down-ballot race, I voted for Republicans.
People (outside of the AOCs of the world) want competent, functional gov't.
Not chaos.


So you voted for lawmakers that will pass a bill and President who won't sign it? You have to explain that one to me.

I am okay with "nothing happening" for the next 4 years aside from keeping the lights on. You're welcome.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:54 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
This year, I voted for Biden/Harris, but for every down-ballot race, I voted for Republicans.
People (outside of the AOCs of the world) want competent, functional gov't.
Not chaos.


So you voted for lawmakers that will pass a bill and President who won't sign it? You have to explain that one to me.

I am okay with "nothing happening" for the next 4 years aside from keeping the lights on. You're welcome.


That's actually a pretty solid point.
A lot of people would like things where they are just with somebody that can behave like a grown-up or at least be more diplomatic.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:56 pm

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For whom? I know no one is willing to fight for dementia ridden and angry Joe as seen by his rallies. There are millions of enthusiastic Trumpers that won't submit to the warmongers, perverts , liars and extortionists that stand behind angry Joe.


Are you claiming there are no warmongers, perverts, liars and extortionists standing with Trump?


Tugg


Just by numbers yes, but Trump is a strong individual that doesn't bend and has a longer outlook due to his private business that he had his whole life which is why he won't fall for those people. That's why Tucker Carlson is a such a fan of Trump politics and why he has the most popular show .
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:57 pm

Trump should prepare himself as single and behind bars. Flee to Russia could also work.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:58 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

So you voted for lawmakers that will pass a bill and President who won't sign it? You have to explain that one to me.

I am okay with "nothing happening" for the next 4 years aside from keeping the lights on. You're welcome.


That's actually a pretty solid point.
A lot of people would like things where they are just with somebody that can behave like a grown-up or at least be more diplomatic.


Trump had numerous opportunities this year to pivot towards acting like a grown up - onset of covid, when he got covid, etc, and he would have likely been re-elected, but he’s too narcissistic and too stupid not to be the center of attention. He’s paid for that today.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:58 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
Disappointed, to be sure, but if it’s the will of the people, so be it.

This is just Act I, however.

Act II begins around the time Trump concedes and Biden makes a victory speech. That’s when, sometime between then and January 20th, the mainstream media will start slowly and deliberately taking a keen interest in that laptop Hunter forgot to pick up.

I suspect the goal will be for Act III, on or shortly after January 20th, for Biden to step aside “for the good of the nation and his family” and the media’s probe of the laptop will result in ushering in President Kamala Harris.


The laptop is a damp squib. What is claimed is in it isn't illegal, and has very tenuous links to Joe Biden.

Not that I wouldn't favor a president Harris, just because Joe looks so damn old.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:02 pm

The President appears to be acknowledging that more people voted for Joe Biden in key states.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:04 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
Vladex wrote:
Tugger wrote:

What did you expect to happen in Wayne county? It was a large dump of votes from Wayne at once that caused the spike.


Exactly. And Wayne County (Detroit in general) is still getting votes in. That will only increase Biden's margin more. The "Get Out (or Mail in) Vote" campaign is working well there this time around compare to 2016.

Expect similar spike to happen for Biden in Pennsylvania once those Philly votes dump in. Right now Philadelphia County (61%), Allegheny County (i.e. [email protected]%) and Delaware County (74%) are large Biden counties that still has many ballots to go. Trump only has Erie and Lehigh County (and perhaps Bucks County in suburban Philly) that are larger counties with lots of votes to go. Those can be counteract by Chester or Montgomery County anyway. Otherwise, Luzerne County (Wilkes-Barre) is the only other county where Trump is favored.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:07 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
Vladex wrote:

What did you expect to happen in Wayne county? It was a large dump of votes from Wayne at once that caused the spike.


Exactly. And Wayne County (Detroit in general) is still getting votes in. That will only increase Biden's margin more. The "Get Out (or Mail in) Vote" campaign is working well there this time around compare to 2016.

Expect similar spike to happen for Biden in Pennsylvania once those Philly votes dump in. Right now Philadelphia County (61%), Allegheny County (i.e. [email protected]%) and Delaware County (74%) are large Biden counties that still has many ballots to go. Trump only has Erie and Lehigh County (and perhaps Bucks County in suburban Philly) that are larger counties with lots of votes to go. Those can be counteract by Chester or Montgomery County anyway. Otherwise, Luzerne County (Wilkes-Barre) is the only other county where Trump is favored.


We will see the same trend in AZ and NV when you look at where the outstanding ballots are, and the expectation is firmly that Biden’s lead will expand in both states.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:09 pm

NBC and CNN race call, ME to Biden +4 EV.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:16 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
This year, I voted for Biden/Harris, but for every down-ballot race, I voted for Republicans.
People (outside of the AOCs of the world) want competent, functional gov't.
Not chaos.


So you voted for lawmakers that will pass a bill and President who won't sign it? You have to explain that one to me.


Also, the GOP can do competent, functional government ? Why didn't we see it 2016-2018, with for example a balanced budget ?
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:17 pm

Aesma wrote:
Also, the GOP can do competent, functional government ? Why didn't we see it 2016-2018, with for example a balanced budget ?

Can the Democrats?
I live in downtown Seattle - totally controlled by Democrats - where there is human feces, graffiti, and homeless tents in every public park.
Don't lecture me on competence. Try harder.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:21 pm

Since being loud (not saying nasty) has been quite good for Trump, should president Biden also be loud ? Attacking GOP senators left and right, day in day out, for not tabling bills, etc. ? Calling them lazy, unamerican, useless ?
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:23 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Also, the GOP can do competent, functional government ? Why didn't we see it 2016-2018, with for example a balanced budget ?

Can the Democrats?
I live in downtown Seattle - totally controlled by Democrats - where there is human feces, graffiti, and homeless tents in every public park.
Don't lecture me on competence. Try harder.


I'm only talking about national government, where you get all flavors of a party in power, that should give something middle of the road, and with some competency.

Also, the GOP is the party hating the debt. Remember the Tea Party ?
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:24 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
I am okay with "nothing happening" for the next 4 years aside from keeping the lights on. You're welcome.


This makes less sense that your original statement. We elect congress to get things done not argue and go on CNN all day. The next 2 years will be another do nothing congress and probably a GOP wave mid term like 2010. Only to have less get done. No immigration deal etc. Then when we need a boost in the economy from Covid ending the Dems will raise taxes.

I can't wait.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:26 pm

If Biden wins, let's cue Mitch McConnell for himself tomorrow or the day after tomorrow: "No legislation and no court nominees will be brought to this congress, when we are only 3 years and 364 days away from an election where the American people may elect a Presdent who would choose another nominee or sign a different legislation. Give the people a voice in the filling of court vacancies, and in any proposed legislation, in just a short 3 years and 364 days, so it's unconscionable to take any votes at this time".
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:27 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
I am okay with "nothing happening" for the next 4 years aside from keeping the lights on. You're welcome.


This makes less sense that your original statement. We elect congress to get things done not argue and go on CNN all day. The next 2 years will be another do nothing congress and probably a GOP wave mid term like 2010. Only to have less get done. No immigration deal etc. Then when we need a boost in the economy from Covid ending the Dems will raise taxes.

I can't wait.

Actually haven't the best situations for "getting things done" been a Republican congress with a Democrat administration?

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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:27 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Also, the GOP can do competent, functional government ? Why didn't we see it 2016-2018, with for example a balanced budget ?

Can the Democrats?
I live in downtown Seattle - totally controlled by Democrats - where there is human feces, graffiti, and homeless tents in every public park.
Don't lecture me on competence. Try harder.


That's a good point. The more Democratic a city, the more it looks like Fallujah
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:31 pm

winginit wrote:
The President appears to be acknowledging that more people voted for Joe Biden in key states.

This is really funny:

They are finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So bad for our Country!


I thought that’s how elections work? It’s like taking part in a fishing contest and saying „the other guy is pulling out fishes all over the place! So bad for... well, for me! :-(
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:31 pm

I do wonder why Trump voters don't admit to being Trump voters?

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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:34 pm

SAS A340 wrote:
Trump should prepare himself as single and behind bars. Flee to Russia could also work.


I don't think Trump and all the people that support him will submit so you will have to fight for it. Rules are out of the window at this point. Are you willing to die and kill for Angry Dementia Joe?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:34 pm

Redd wrote:
That's a good point. The more Democratic a city, the more it looks like Fallujah

Like the welcome the Biden bus got near San Antonio? THhat was very Fallujah-like.

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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
Disappointed, to be sure, but if it’s the will of the people, so be it.

This is just Act I, however.

Act II begins around the time Trump concedes and Biden makes a victory speech. That’s when, sometime between then and January 20th, the mainstream media will start slowly and deliberately taking a keen interest in that laptop Hunter forgot to pick up.

I suspect the goal will be for Act III, on or shortly after January 20th, for Biden to step aside “for the good of the nation and his family” and the media’s probe of the laptop will result in ushering in President Kamala Harris.


I think Biden will sit for a year or two (provided he pulls through here) and then resign like in mid 2022. This won't happen before inauguration and won't be related to any perceived scandals.
He won't seek re-election in 2024 if elected here.

Tugger wrote:
Really to me, the big story will be the results of the remaining one million plus ballots in Pennsylvania.

Tugg


If they are in Philly which the mail in votes are all projected to be then PA is going to be mighty close.

Fox News is in a difficult situation. They have crossed Trump several times in what he sees as disloyalty, but the fake cries about Main Stream Media (of which they are a leading part) still resound with many.

It has been difficult for them to support Trump 100% when his position on things changes from day to day. And some of his outright lies like 'massive voter fraud'.

It is a lot easier, and maybe more profitable, for Fox to have a Democrat in the White House where they can complain, complain and complain and never have to deal with a real failure of a plan they supported.


Commentators aside, the fox election desk is one of the best in the nation and often at odds with the commentators. Its sometimes surprises the commentators like this doozy from 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HC1W2BR-Q

Megyn Kelly calls out Rove a lot worse (calls him delusional IIRC) but I cannot find the clip.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 pm

Vladex wrote:
SAS A340 wrote:
Trump should prepare himself as single and behind bars. Flee to Russia could also work.


I don't think Trump and all the people that support him will submit so you will have to fight for it. Rules are out of the window at this point. Are you willing to die and kill for Angry Dementia Joe?

You have the right, to stand in front of Trump and defend him. If you are going against the law, the law will prevail. Good luck.

Personally I find you more a mewling voice out to try and get others to do something while you hide in back, out of view.

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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 pm

Tugger wrote:
I do wonder why Trump voters don't admit to being Trump voters?

Tugg

Have you seen rallies? It is true that there is anti Trump terrorism going on and there were a few killings here and there not even counting infamous Las Vegas massacre which was totally obfuscated.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:39 pm

The fake narratives some here want to push.... It is just dumb.

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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:49 pm

Vladex wrote:
Tugger wrote:
I do wonder why Trump voters don't admit to being Trump voters?

Tugg

Have you seen rallies? It is true that there is anti Trump terrorism going on and there were a few killings here and there not even counting infamous Las Vegas massacre which was totally obfuscated.

Ummm LV massacre??? What's that? Honestly never heard of it before.

Elections done dude. Peddling fake news in useless for another 3 Years 364 days

P.S. The 2017 massacre had nothing to do with Trump.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:53 pm

Redd wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Also, the GOP can do competent, functional government ? Why didn't we see it 2016-2018, with for example a balanced budget ?

Can the Democrats?
I live in downtown Seattle - totally controlled by Democrats - where there is human feces, graffiti, and homeless tents in every public park.
Don't lecture me on competence. Try harder.


That's a good point. The more Democratic a city, the more it looks like Fallujah


Is it a good point? There are plenty of red cities in the South and middle America that are absolute dumps and plenty of blue cities that are clean, low on crime, and full of opportunity - Boston, where I live, included.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:57 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Also, the GOP can do competent, functional government ? Why didn't we see it 2016-2018, with for example a balanced budget ?

Can the Democrats?
I live in downtown Seattle - totally controlled by Democrats - where there is human feces, graffiti, and homeless tents in every public park.
Don't lecture me on competence. Try harder.

Would a GOP controlled downtown Seattle being better?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:02 pm

Tugger wrote:
Vladex wrote:
SAS A340 wrote:
Trump should prepare himself as single and behind bars. Flee to Russia could also work.


I don't think Trump and all the people that support him will submit so you will have to fight for it. Rules are out of the window at this point. Are you willing to die and kill for Angry Dementia Joe?

You have the right, to stand in front of Trump and defend him. If you are going against the law, the law will prevail. Good luck.

Personally I find you more a mewling voice out to try and get others to do something while you hide in back, out of view.

Tugg


Which law are you talking about? Remember that USA was founded upon breaking the rules and abolishing tyrannical government . Also remember that there are millions to one of enthusiastic Trumpers and anti Trumpers are all weak and compromised, none of whom are willing to sacrifice which is why they play dirty, as in cheat the elections and everything else.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:02 pm

So, since Democrats are so focused on voter suppression. Would they join Republicans in investigating the biggest and most expensive voter suppression tactic used in 2020 to benefit Biden?

The use of polling to depress Republican turn out and favor /sway public opinion towards Biden.

I think that's the story of this election. And we will soon find out it might have worked.

Again Wisconsin Biden up 17%!! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... onsin-poll who would have believed that!
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:02 pm

marcelh wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Also, the GOP can do competent, functional government ? Why didn't we see it 2016-2018, with for example a balanced budget ?

Can the Democrats?
I live in downtown Seattle - totally controlled by Democrats - where there is human feces, graffiti, and homeless tents in every public park.
Don't lecture me on competence. Try harder.

Would a GOP controlled downtown Seattle being better?

Probably. At least one with a divided gov't, forcing both sides to work together to accomplish incremental progress.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:06 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Vladex wrote:
Tugger wrote:
I do wonder why Trump voters don't admit to being Trump voters?

Tugg

Have you seen rallies? It is true that there is anti Trump terrorism going on and there were a few killings here and there not even counting infamous Las Vegas massacre which was totally obfuscated.

Ummm LV massacre??? What's that? Honestly never heard of it before.

Elections done dude. Peddling fake news in useless for another 3 Years 364 days

P.S. The 2017 massacre had nothing to do with Trump.


The man who did killing in LV only had videos of being in anti Trump rallies online , nothing else. Police report didn't mention it at all and they are totally uninterested in finding a cause which is obfuscation.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:12 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
So, since Democrats are so focused on voter suppression. Would they join Republicans in investigating the biggest and most expensive voter suppression tactic used in 2020 to benefit Biden?

The use of polling to depress Republican turn out and favor /sway public opinion towards Biden.

I think that's the story of this election. And we will soon find out it might have worked.

Again Wisconsin Biden up 17%!! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... onsin-poll who would have believed that!

That would be an interesting story! You should investigate it, do a full expose! I am sure your or others will absolutely look into this and run it to ground. There are lots of conservative voices in the media that can bring this to light.

For me though, it goes back to my earlier post:
Tugger wrote:
I do wonder why Trump voters don't admit to being Trump voters?

Really the only reason why polling would be so far off is due to Trump supporters not noting that when polled. I honestly think something related to what yu are claiming could be at issue. Trump supporters not wanting to give the pollsters satisfaction with an honest answer. Wanting to throw off polls that they already consider unfair and inaccurate.

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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:12 pm

Alrightyyyyyy then, back on track.
Trump now behind in Michigan by ~48,000 votes.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:12 pm

Just saying, Red Mirage scenario playing out right now!

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1451533

AirWorthy99 wrote:
So, since Democrats are so focused on voter suppression. Would they join Republicans in investigating the biggest and most expensive voter suppression tactic used in 2020 to benefit Biden?

The use of polling to depress Republican turn out and favor /sway public opinion towards Biden.

I think that's the story of this election. And we will soon find out it might have worked.

Again Wisconsin Biden up 17%!! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... onsin-poll who would have believed that!


What are you talking about? Polls that showed Biden up absolutely DROVE Republican turnout, not depressed. Republicans turned out in Texas in large part because the polling was close. Favorable polling like that in swing states if anything increase complacency with supporters of the candidate who's up.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:19 pm

marcelh wrote:
Would a GOP controlled downtown Seattle being better?


It would look better, as the homeless gets bus away to another city. No longer Seattle's problem anymore but someone else's.

West Coast certainly has all the weirdo homeless, though. For example, you don't see anywhere the craziness in central Chicago even though that's as blue as it gets.

Kno wrote:
Is it a good point? There are plenty of red cities in the South and middle America that are absolute dumps and plenty of blue cities that are clean, low on crime, and full of opportunity - Boston, where I live, included.


And plenty of totally Republican towns look trashed...and sadly, many people that lived there want it to stay that way as they don't want anything change.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:20 pm

NYCVIE wrote:
Just saying, Red Mirage scenario playing out right now!

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1451533

AirWorthy99 wrote:
So, since Democrats are so focused on voter suppression. Would they join Republicans in investigating the biggest and most expensive voter suppression tactic used in 2020 to benefit Biden?

The use of polling to depress Republican turn out and favor /sway public opinion towards Biden.

I think that's the story of this election. And we will soon find out it might have worked.

Again Wisconsin Biden up 17%!! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... onsin-poll who would have believed that!


What are you talking about? Polls that showed Biden up absolutely DROVE Republican turnout, not depressed. Republicans turned out in Texas in large part because the polling was close. Favorable polling like that in swing states if anything increase complacency with supporters of the candidate who's up.


I am talking about telling people Biden is going to win, you don't go vote, or you vote for the winner, meaning Biden.

Biden was up 8/9% nationally, Trump is down 2%.

This has got to be the biggest scandal in political history. Polling was worse this time around than 2016. Could it have been worse? I thought they wouldn't make the same mistake twice. I thought wrong.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:22 pm

Biden lead in MI now nearly 1%. 45k raw vote lead for Biden.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:23 pm

Tugger wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
So, since Democrats are so focused on voter suppression. Would they join Republicans in investigating the biggest and most expensive voter suppression tactic used in 2020 to benefit Biden?

The use of polling to depress Republican turn out and favor /sway public opinion towards Biden.

I think that's the story of this election. And we will soon find out it might have worked.

Again Wisconsin Biden up 17%!! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... onsin-poll who would have believed that!

That would be an interesting story! You should investigate it, do a full expose! I am sure your or others will absolutely look into this and run it to ground. There are lots of conservative voices in the media that can bring this to light.

For me though, it goes back to my earlier post:
Tugger wrote:
I do wonder why Trump voters don't admit to being Trump voters?

Really the only reason why polling would be so far off is due to Trump supporters not noting that when polled. I honestly think something related to what yu are claiming could be at issue. Trump supporters not wanting to give the pollsters satisfaction with an honest answer. Wanting to throw off polls that they already consider unfair and inaccurate.

Tugg


I am on the record in this forum saying I did want to believe on not believe the polls, because I saw enthusiasm for Trump down here. Here in Florida polls had Biden winning by 2%. I said here I don't see it, all of you told me that enthusiasm doesn't count. Trump won by 3%.

The enthusiasm for Trump was real, and we can see that in the votes he received. He received more votes in 2020 than 2016. But no, we needed to trust the polls.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:27 pm

It has been over 12 hrs and still the 'Scoreline' remains 227-213 in favour of Biden with counting going on in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan and Georgia.

Prior to this election, we all saw Trump not willing to accept his failure in handling the 'Pandemic' and also some of the prominent Republicans stating clear that they won't be supporting Trump.

And yet we see many people not minding voting for Trump. It is surprising.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:28 pm

Vladex wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Vladex wrote:
Have you seen rallies? It is true that there is anti Trump terrorism going on and there were a few killings here and there not even counting infamous Las Vegas massacre which was totally obfuscated.

Ummm LV massacre??? What's that? Honestly never heard of it before.
Elections done dude. Peddling fake news in useless for another 3 Years 364 days
P.S. The 2017 massacre had nothing to do with Trump.

The man who did killing in LV only had videos of being in anti Trump rallies online , nothing else. Police report didn't mention it at all and they are totally uninterested in finding a cause which is obfuscation.


You need to come up with some evidence of that... or take off your tin hat and rediscover reality. In truth, just the opposite is the case:

"Facebook and Google promoted false news stories claiming that the shooter who killed more than 50 people in Las Vegas was a Democrat who opposed Donald Trump. The misidentification spread rapidly from dark corners of the internet to mainstream platforms just hours after hundreds were injured at a festival near the Mandalay Bay casino, the latest example of fake news polluting social media amid a breaking news story.

"Police have identified Stephen Paddock as the suspect who opened fire from a high-rise hotel room, killing scores and injuring hundreds more. But before authorities named the 64-year-old Nevada man, some on the far right falsely identified the man behind the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history as Geary Danley. It’s unclear where exactly the hoax originated, but rightwing users aggressively promoted his name, seizing on evidence that he was a liberal."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-shooting-facebook-google-fake-news-shooter


"Just days before the massacre, at least two people told police that a man they believed to be Paddock ranted to them about federal government efforts to impose gun control measures. Another witness recounted how a man thought to be Paddock shared his belief that a “camp” set up by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was in fact “a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and … confiscating guns.”

"On the 10th anniversary of Katrina’s landfall in New Orleans, an NRA article published in the Daily Caller vastly overstated the degree to which authorities were disarming gun owners during rescue and evacuation efforts in the city. Even other pro-gun groups criticized the NRA’s portrayal of the situation as inaccurate and overblown."

"One of the Las Vegas witnesses recalled Paddock telling him that “somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves,” during a conversation less than a month before the shooting. “Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.”


https://archive.thinkprogress.org/las-vegas-shooter-documents-821831c844bd/


It is bad enough to spread disinformation - outright lies - on Facebook, et al. Try to keep it away from A.net.


aerosreenivas wrote:
And yet we see many people not minding voting for Trump. It is surprising.


The fact that Trump came this close to winning reelection after the 4-year disaster he has brought to this country - and to the world as a whole - makes me question the sanity of both my party and my nation.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:31 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Biden was up 8/9% nationally, Trump is down 2%.


For National Popular Vote, the West Coast states (including California) will just increase that margin to 3-4%. California alone (Assuming the margin hold) will add ~1M votes (which is ~1% nationally) to Biden's favor.

And not sure where you got the +8/9% number from. Using RCP average Biden was up 4-5% nationally by Election Day, and was never up by 8/9% on average.

P.S. Trump's margin in both NC and GA are down to 80k. While flipping around NC is unlikely, GA's remaining vote are mostly in Fulton County (i.e. central Atlanta, thanks to that water pipe burst in State Farm Arena), meaning Biden actually still has a outside chance of winning GA (Which would be VERY big).
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:35 pm

One more observation about the outcome of this election, there is still not going to be any 'Absolute Joy' if Biden becomes next US President.

Why?

Because it seems the Senate is going to again be ruled by the Republicans. Also, the race is tight in the House Of Representatives as well.

So I fear it will be another repeat of Obama's Presidency where we saw lot of deadlock and Obama had to sign an 'Executive Order' to pass a law.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:35 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
NYCVIE wrote:
Just saying, Red Mirage scenario playing out right now!

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1451533

AirWorthy99 wrote:
So, since Democrats are so focused on voter suppression. Would they join Republicans in investigating the biggest and most expensive voter suppression tactic used in 2020 to benefit Biden?

The use of polling to depress Republican turn out and favor /sway public opinion towards Biden.

I think that's the story of this election. And we will soon find out it might have worked.

Again Wisconsin Biden up 17%!! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... onsin-poll who would have believed that!


What are you talking about? Polls that showed Biden up absolutely DROVE Republican turnout, not depressed. Republicans turned out in Texas in large part because the polling was close. Favorable polling like that in swing states if anything increase complacency with supporters of the candidate who's up.


I am talking about telling people Biden is going to win, you don't go vote, or you vote for the winner, meaning Biden.

Biden was up 8/9% nationally, Trump is down 2%.

This has got to be the biggest scandal in political history. Polling was worse this time around than 2016. Could it have been worse? I thought they wouldn't make the same mistake twice. I thought wrong.

It isn't a scandal. There is nothing official about a poll. I don't know how you can simultaneously cry foul voter suppression about a poll, while simultaneously claiming (correctly) that people did not believe the polls.

Also, to those who are reasonably complaining about the lack of accuracy in poll prediction, educate yourselves about margins of error. The pollsters themselves could not wax about it enough during the last week.
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:35 pm

Trump campaign has formally requested a recount in Wisconsin. Biden has a lead or .05%, ~20,000 votes.

Sounds about right, I can understand it. It was their strategy to request such where they could. But I am confident it won't change the results overall. I am sure the campaign will request recounts in three or four others states, anywhere they are within the margin to make the request. Trump is a sore loser, I expect no easy concession even after recounts.

But honestly, Trump lost this election in more ways than just "losing".
Biden is a pretty weak candidate, not inspiring at all (to me at least). He is kind of Dukakis-like. And Trump has a virulent voter base, he is loud and just can keep talking. Those that like him, love him. And he is the incumbent that had a historically strong economy most of his time in office! But here he is either barely squeaking out a win, if, maybe, after needing to request recounts etc. Or he is losing to a weak candidate, one that is not "loved" but is just a vastly better option to many than Trump. That is just such a loser way to be. Even if he does win.

Tugg
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Re: Official Election thread

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:36 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
NYCVIE wrote:
Just saying, Red Mirage scenario playing out right now!

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1451533

AirWorthy99 wrote:
So, since Democrats are so focused on voter suppression. Would they join Republicans in investigating the biggest and most expensive voter suppression tactic used in 2020 to benefit Biden?

The use of polling to depress Republican turn out and favor /sway public opinion towards Biden.

I think that's the story of this election. And we will soon find out it might have worked.

Again Wisconsin Biden up 17%!! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... onsin-poll who would have believed that!


What are you talking about? Polls that showed Biden up absolutely DROVE Republican turnout, not depressed. Republicans turned out in Texas in large part because the polling was close. Favorable polling like that in swing states if anything increase complacency with supporters of the candidate who's up.


I am talking about telling people Biden is going to win, you don't go vote, or you vote for the winner, meaning Biden.

Biden was up 8/9% nationally, Trump is down 2%.

This has got to be the biggest scandal in political history. Polling was worse this time around than 2016. Could it have been worse? I thought they wouldn't make the same mistake twice. I thought wrong.


That's just not how it works. People don't see a CLOSE race and say well ok I'm not going to vote or let me just vote for who's going to win.

If you're a Republican in California, sure you might not waste your time, but if you're a Republican in Michigan and Biden is up by 8 points (that's not a lock) you won't say well let me just not vote in that case. National polling is irrelevant because regardless of what happens Biden is going to sweep the popular vote.
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