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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:41 pm

I know unsubstantiated posts are being removed, as they should but lets just be crystal clear on this.

If Trump loses the election, concede or not, at the end of his term he will leave PERIOD END OF STORY. He DOES NOT get to decide to stay if he doesn't like the outcome. The President works for and follows the will of the PEOPLE, not the other way around. If the people have voted for him to leave he will LEAVE.

Sorry for the caps but this is the only truth and reality.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

waterpolodan wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Just a reminder that we require sources here. If you make a claim without providing an adequate source, your post is subject to deletion. We are not going to be a host for misinformation.

✈️ atcsundevil


Thank you for cleaning that up. I've stayed off this forum for a while but I came to post a rebuttal to the claim that dead people were voting in Michigan.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/202 ... e-says-no/

TL;DR- there are instances where the voter registration information has an incorrect DOB, meaning that the examples provided in that twitter feed all appear to be living residents of the state with incorrect birth years.

Thanks for that. It is annoying when a poster here posts crud from Tweets as if they are actual news or a finding by a reputable organization. (Reviewing a now gone post, I found the account they were getting info from)
These people make wild claims and do not provide any real evidence of widespread voter fraud. These kind of things are shouted by people each election but every election there are active reviews by each state's and county's voting authorities to determine if any votes are improper, and if any are found, how that happened, and put in place tools and processes to prevent such in the future. The public can review voters as well online for many states and counties.
(For Michigan you can look up people on their data base here: https://voterrecords.com/voter/20181868/terry-mathis )

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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:50 pm

Tugger wrote:
Thanks for that. It is annoying when a poster here posts crud from Tweets as if they are actual news or a finding by a reputable organization. (Reviewing a no gone post, I found the account they were getting info from)
These people make wild claims and do not provide any real evidence of widespread voter fraud. This kind of things are shouted by people each election but ever election there are active reviews by each states and countries voting authorities to determine if any votes are improper and if any are found how that happened, and put in place tools and processes to prevent such in the future. The public can review voters as well online for many states and counties.
(For Michigan you can look up people on their data base here: https://voterrecords.com/voter/20181868/terry-mathis )

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It's annoying for us too. It would be a lot easier for us if people followed the rules and stuck to facts. We don't care about political bias or opinions formulated based on fact, but we do care about people posting purposeful misinformation. People who do may find themselves banned until this election gets sorted out — we're not going to keep coming back to try remedying the same problems with the same people — we're just going to hand out bans and let them pick up their misleading crap after it matters less.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:51 pm

flyguy89 wrote:
You can whine about it all you want and pound your hands on the desk about how everyone else is dumb or it's just not fair how the opposition is labeling you incorrectly, or you can do something about it...for those of us who live and breath this stuff, sure we can understand there are layers and nuances here, but for people paying attention only from a high level, it's clear something about it resonates or sticks. But it's also clear the whining and constantly playing defense isn't working.


Can you explain what Trumpism stands for, aside from being against everything Dems/Obama ?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:53 pm

It seems that Pennsylvania will have counted most of the ballots by "the end of today".

"I have been saying that we'll have the overwhelming majority counted by tomorrow but it is looking like [we'll have] the overwhelming majority
counted by today," she (Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar) told CNN.


https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-n ... ad92de3b2d
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:56 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
It seems that Pennsylvania will have counted most of the ballots by "the end of today".

"I have been saying that we'll have the overwhelming majority counted by tomorrow but it is looking like [we'll have] the overwhelming majority
counted by today," she (Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar) told CNN.


https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-n ... ad92de3b2d

And Georgia too:
“We’re looking at by lunchtime having most of this knocked out,” Raffensperger said. "By and large, all the big numbers are in."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgi ... unting-end

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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:59 pm

Aesma wrote:
Can you explain what Trumpism stands for, aside from being against everything Dems/Obama ?

Well that's easy:
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https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/03/14/it-can-get-pretty-crazy-selling-maga-hats-to-dc-tourists/

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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:59 pm

Trump's lawsuits in both Georgia and Michigan have been dismissed*. No surprise.

Additionally, Pennsylvania Secretary of State says there are still 550,000 votes left to count, which will take place largely today.

Donald Trump is going to lose this election as previously stated, and at this point it appears as though he might lose by the exact same margin as his 2016 victory, which I believe he called numerous times 'a landslide'.


*while I have cited tweets as a link source, the tweets directly show primary sourcing for the news
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:01 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
A lot of a politician's appeal -- and votes -- comes down to their likeability factor.They garner extra votes for no other reason than the fact that people just like them. Whether you agreed with them or not, you couldn't deny Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton both had it, and both won the presidency handsomely. I hadn't seen any of the 2020 campaigning, but looking at some footage on election night, I wondered if the Democrats couldn't have come up with a better candidate that Joe Biden. He really is a charisma-free zone. It's no surprise he's just scraping-in. I realise they had to choose a centrist candidate, but could they not have found a more electable politician in the entire party?

That’s what I posted several times within the last couple of months. My concern was/is that the Democrats repeated the mistake they made when they nominated Hillary. Heck, the even could have asked an actor to run for them, let’s say Clooney or Pitt. Give them a little bit of training and there’s your perfect candidate. As we can see from Trump‘s support, it’s more about the show rather than knowledge and experience, sadly.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:02 pm

Also, about "crazy Dems" who want horrible things like giving stuff to people, here is an example of a "fine people" the GOP has put in Congress : https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/03/poli ... index.html
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:11 pm

casinterest wrote:
Why accept it?


Because the President elect is everyone's president.

I personally don't like the choice Democrats made, but I am perfectly fine with President Biden.

Both parties should start doing a better job picking right candidates. Don't pick two worst possible candidates out of Millions of US born, appropriate age citizens, and ask voters to pick the least worst.

I see Trump's presidency as a Renaissance in US Presidential history All Medieval protocols are gone. All foreign relationships are reset. It will be a fresh start going forward.
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:12 pm

Perhaps the Dem should have made more play about the type of candidates that Republicans were putting up.

Something along the lines of you may think that the Republican candidate is a moderate, but look who he/she endorsed.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:17 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... 0-54786937

Posted at 19:1019:10
Facebook removes group calling for 'civil war' over election
Marianna Spring

Specialist disinformation and social media reporter

A huge viral Facebook group spreading unsubstantiated claims that there is a Democratic party plot to “steal” the election has been removed by the social media firm.

Among the comments inside the group were threats of violence and calls for civil war and revolution.

A Facebook spokesperson says it took action because of “worrying calls for violence” in the group “which was creating real-world events".

“Stop the Steal” was set up yesterday had more than 330,000 members before it was taken down. Posts called for its members to take to the streets in the event that Joe Biden is declared the next US president.

Dozens of comments went much further and encouraged people to take up arms or even shoot their political opponents. Some threatened rioting and looting.

The group taken down by Facebook was the by far the largest of a handful of “Stop the Steal” forums set up since election day. On Tuesday, a “#StoptheSteal” label gained a bit of popularity on Twitter, and included baseless and misleading claims of voter fraud and dirty tricks.

Similar claims have been circulating in the Facebook group. The allegations include some of the ones we’ve debunked here.

Facebook says it removed the group “in line with the exceptional measures that we are taking during this period of heightened tension”. It also said the group "was organised around the delegitimisation of the election process”.

Things are getting silly.

Still I am sure that the govts of some countries around the world are delighted.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:26 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Why accept it?


Because the President elect is everyone's president.

I personally don't like the choice Democrats made, but I am perfectly fine with President Biden.

Both parties should start doing a better job picking right candidates. Don't pick two worst possible candidates out of Millions of US born, appropriate age citizens, and ask voters to pick the least worst.

I see Trump's presidency as a Renaissance in US Presidential history All Medieval protocols are gone. All foreign relationships are reset. It will be a fresh start going forward.


It is the least worse. By the time we get to the actual election, both parties have chosen their standard bearer , who danced to their delight.

The fact that Biden stands there as a less interesting and bold candidate is because the democrats chose to put forth a centrist. The democrats made a choice to win the election.

It should be noted that right now Trump is losing the popular vote by almost 4 million people.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:28 pm

Aesma wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
You can whine about it all you want and pound your hands on the desk about how everyone else is dumb or it's just not fair how the opposition is labeling you incorrectly, or you can do something about it...for those of us who live and breath this stuff, sure we can understand there are layers and nuances here, but for people paying attention only from a high level, it's clear something about it resonates or sticks. But it's also clear the whining and constantly playing defense isn't working.


Can you explain what Trumpism stands for, aside from being against everything Dems/Obama ?

I think you accurately summed it up there. Trump is the anti-Dem. Right or wrong, obviously a lot of people's perceptions of what the Democratic Party is or represents terrifies them enough to vote for someone like Trump who has positioned himself as the bulwark of the Left. From anecdotal observations, I also think there is a great deal of nihilism out there. Many people think both Trump and Biden are terrible or bad for the country in different ways, but their outlook on Trump is that at least he's going to buy them dinner and be nice to them before screwing them over.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:30 pm

casinterest wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Why accept it?


Because the President elect is everyone's president.

I personally don't like the choice Democrats made, but I am perfectly fine with President Biden.

Both parties should start doing a better job picking right candidates. Don't pick two worst possible candidates out of Millions of US born, appropriate age citizens, and ask voters to pick the least worst.

I see Trump's presidency as a Renaissance in US Presidential history All Medieval protocols are gone. All foreign relationships are reset. It will be a fresh start going forward.


It is the least worse. By the time we get to the actual election, both parties have chosen their standard bearer , who danced to their delight.

The fact that Biden stands there as a less interesting and bold candidate is because the democrats chose to put forth a centrist. The democrats made a choice to win the election.

It should be noted that right now Trump is losing the popular vote by almost 4 million people.


Yeah. Trump losing the popular vote by a massive margin is called one small thing: California
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:35 pm

Arion640 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

Because the President elect is everyone's president.

I personally don't like the choice Democrats made, but I am perfectly fine with President Biden.

Both parties should start doing a better job picking right candidates. Don't pick two worst possible candidates out of Millions of US born, appropriate age citizens, and ask voters to pick the least worst.

I see Trump's presidency as a Renaissance in US Presidential history All Medieval protocols are gone. All foreign relationships are reset. It will be a fresh start going forward.


It is the least worse. By the time we get to the actual election, both parties have chosen their standard bearer , who danced to their delight.

The fact that Biden stands there as a less interesting and bold candidate is because the democrats chose to put forth a centrist. The democrats made a choice to win the election.

It should be noted that right now Trump is losing the popular vote by almost 4 million people.


Yeah. Trump losing the popular vote by a massive margin is called one small thing: California



So what?
12% of the US population is in California.
California Also has the LARGEST economy of any state in the US.

Also the margin of victory will be even higher once all the votes are counted throughout in the US. NY, Florida, Texas, Ohio, Massachusetts are all not finished counted amongst other states..
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:39 pm

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Not sure that the Founding Fathers would have viewed one party controlling the Presidency, both Houses of Congress and the Supreme Court as a good thing.


My memory of the history, which may not be perfect, is that the Founding Fathers never envisioned a party system. Nothing like that really existed in Europe or the UK at the time.

Remember the initial setup of the Presidency was for the person getting the most electoral votes to be President, and the person with the second most votes to be VP.

A few of the founders like John Adams and Jefferson both wrote of their dismay with the two party system developing after their Presidencies.Though Adams is listed as a Federalist, and Jefferson as a Democratic-Republican, those were not real political parties in the sense we know today.

Jefferson was unhappy to be stuck with Aaron Burr as VP. He was one of the leaders of the New York developing political machine wanting to take over power in the US. Though he was a surprisingly powerful and even handed President of the Senate. Not like today, the President of the Senate controlled the agenda, debate and votes.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:43 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Yeah. Trump losing the popular vote by a massive margin is called one small thing: California


But Trump got more votes in California than he did in any state except Texas and Florida. Even if he wins Pennsylvania - his popular vote total in California of almost 4 million will almost certainly be higher than the number of votes he gets in Pennsylvania.

Biden's total number of votes as reported now on the Fox News web site are almost 10 and a half million in Texas and Florida - far more than his almost 8 million votes in California.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:00 pm

waterpolodan wrote:
TL;DR- there are instances where the voter registration information has an incorrect DOB, meaning that the examples provided in that twitter feed all appear to be living residents of the state with incorrect birth years.


No, no, no. This is the proof of voter fraud on a massive scale. :rotfl:
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:00 pm

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We have mentioned on this threat about how the powerful try to control the poor dumb rednecks like me, growing up barefoot all summer in a whites only small town in Arkansas. The entire political system in the US, and I suspect most nations in the world, is designed to protect the people in power.


The political system, such as it is, bends over backwards to give Arkansas and every other small state outsize power. And yes, there is a lot of effort that goes into ensuring that those flyover voters remain reliably GOP. But it's certainly not because they don't have power. It's because as an aggregate, they have immense power. What I don't see, though, is any indication that they're *not* embracing the attitudes spoonfed to them by the media outlets that *are* successfully controlling them.

When folks in those areas start with the assumption that "generic democrat" is a radical, tax-loving, america-hater... it's because of some damn good "control" as you put it. "Generic republican" starts with the assumption that they're a genteel, upstanding community member.

Even in blue states the generic republican can get by being assumed to mostly hate taxes and embrace a few other little-c conservative ideas. This is why blue states end up with republican governors. It's not like even the blue areas assume *every* republican wants to put migrant children in cages. However there are plenty of red areas where simply being a democrat means you might as well be rabidly antifa-peta-aclu-blm, because that's where you start with voting base.

Apologies for responding to a post from yesterday. :D
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:03 pm

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I fear the Democrats won't learn from this, and in 2022 they will keep pushing this, and dig in. Well not fear, good, they will lose badly in 2022 and coming 2024 we will have a better candidate for the WH that could expand our electorate and keep us in power, and despite what you all believe, no Trumpism is not dead, basically it will still be going on for a long time. And the best is, without stupid tweets, stupid comments and such.

Despite what ever Biden might do with the pen if he wins, we will revert it all back in 2024.


What's that you say about having a better candidate in 2024?

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Do we think, for even one single second, that Trump wouldn't quite easily suck a few billion out of his base via TrumpTV or whatever and then mount another run in 2024? He is, by the way, at present the leading Republican Nominee Candidate for 2024 on the betting markets.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:07 pm

rfields5421 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Not sure that the Founding Fathers would have viewed one party controlling the Presidency, both Houses of Congress and the Supreme Court as a good thing.


My memory of the history, which may not be perfect, is that the Founding Fathers never envisioned a party system. Nothing like that really existed in Europe or the UK at the time.

Remember the initial setup of the Presidency was for the person getting the most electoral votes to be President, and the person with the second most votes to be VP.

A few of the founders like John Adams and Jefferson both wrote of their dismay with the two party system developing after their Presidencies.Though Adams is listed as a Federalist, and Jefferson as a Democratic-Republican, those were not real political parties in the sense we know today.

Jefferson was unhappy to be stuck with Aaron Burr as VP. He was one of the leaders of the New York developing political machine wanting to take over power in the US. Though he was a surprisingly powerful and even handed President of the Senate. Not like today, the President of the Senate controlled the agenda, debate and votes.


But oh it most certainly did or had existed (dissolved a few years before US became independent). In Sweden we had hattpartiet (hat party)
and mösspartiet (caps party) (click English names for WP links).
The caps party actually established Swedish Freedom of the Press Act in 1766, which is the worlds oldest Freedom of the Press law.

To stay somewhat on topic, NBC reports that a Missouri poll worker had tested positive for Covid-19 and then died the day after the election.
Apparently he knew that he was infected but didn't isolate himself as mandated.

A Missouri elections supervisor who knew they tested positive for the coronavirus and still worked at a polling site on Election Day has died.

The unidentified election judge supervisor in St. Charles County tested positive for the virus on Oct. 30 and failed to isolate for the recommended two-week period,
the county said on Thursday. It is unclear what caused the election worker’s death.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mi ... d-n1246620
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:07 pm

winginit wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I fear the Democrats won't learn from this, and in 2022 they will keep pushing this, and dig in. Well not fear, good, they will lose badly in 2022 and coming 2024 we will have a better candidate for the WH that could expand our electorate and keep us in power, and despite what you all believe, no Trumpism is not dead, basically it will still be going on for a long time. And the best is, without stupid tweets, stupid comments and such.

Despite what ever Biden might do with the pen if he wins, we will revert it all back in 2024.


What's that you say about having a better candidate in 2024?

Image

Do we think, for even one single second, that Trump wouldn't quite easily suck a few billion out of his base via TrumpTV or whatever and then mount another run in 2024? He is, by the way, at present the leading Republican Nominee Candidate for 2024 on the betting markets.


It all depends on how badly dems perform. At least this where his chances are. Though I will say not gonna happen.
Seems the lowest low is the common denominator as of lately.
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:08 pm

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Yeah. Trump losing the popular vote by a massive margin is called one small thing: California


Ah yes, California. You know:

- The state with more people than any other
- The state with the largest economy in the nation, fifth largest in the world
- The state responsible for a massive proportion of the US job growth over the past four years that Trump has taken credit for
- The state that is such a liberal hellhole according to some that... wait a minute... that more Republicans live there than any other state
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:08 pm

winginit wrote:
What's that you say about having a better candidate in 2024?

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The fact Trump even had such discussions tells me he was expecting to lose. His fragile ego wouldn't normally allow such negative thinking.

If he does lose, I can't wait to hear the excuses as to how he actually managed to lose to "sleepy Joe" (aside from the completely bogus allegations of "massive voter fraud").
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:11 pm

scbriml wrote:
winginit wrote:
What's that you say about having a better candidate in 2024?

Image


The fact Trump even had such discussions tells me he was expecting to lose. His fragile ego wouldn't normally allow such negative thinking.

If he does lose, I can't wait to hear the excuses as to how he actually managed to lose to "sleepy Joe" (aside from the completely bogus allegations of "massive voter fraud").


Maybe we will get his Tax forms this time around?
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:15 pm

winginit wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Yeah. Trump losing the popular vote by a massive margin is called one small thing: California


Ah yes, California. You know:

- The state with more people than any other
- The state with the largest economy in the nation, fifth largest in the world
- The state responsible for a massive proportion of the US job growth over the past four years that Trump has taken credit for
- The state that is such a liberal hellhole according to some that... wait a minute... that more Republicans live there than any other state


A massive state that’s left leaning - no wonder trump has lost the popular vote.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:16 pm

winginit wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I fear the Democrats won't learn from this, and in 2022 they will keep pushing this, and dig in. Well not fear, good, they will lose badly in 2022 and coming 2024 we will have a better candidate for the WH that could expand our electorate and keep us in power, and despite what you all believe, no Trumpism is not dead, basically it will still be going on for a long time. And the best is, without stupid tweets, stupid comments and such.

Despite what ever Biden might do with the pen if he wins, we will revert it all back in 2024.


What's that you say about having a better candidate in 2024?

Image

Do we think, for even one single second, that Trump wouldn't quite easily suck a few billion out of his base via TrumpTV or whatever and then mount another run in 2024? He is, by the way, at present the leading Republican Nominee Candidate for 2024 on the betting markets.


By 'his base' you mean the 'disgusting people' he has to shake hands with at his rallies?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 80406.html
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:16 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Yeah. Trump losing the popular vote by a massive margin is called one small thing: California


Yeah, and we're a country of people and Californians are American citizens who voted (OVER 4 million of whom voted for Trump!) so what exactly is your point?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:21 pm

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But oh it most certainly did or had existed


Thank you.

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scbriml wrote:
The fact Trump even had such discussions tells me he was expecting to lose.


I remember other discussions on this forum where the possibility of Trump running in 2024. Was discussed. True it was about the chances of an amendment to allow a third time.

It has happened before. An incumbent president losing reelection, and coming back to retake the Presidency a few years later.
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:23 pm

rfields5421 wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
But oh it most certainly did or had existed


Thank you.

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scbriml wrote:
The fact Trump even had such discussions tells me he was expecting to lose.


I remember other discussions on this forum where the possibility of Trump running in 2024. Was discussed. True it was about the chances of an amendment to allow a third time.

It has happened before. An incumbent president losing reelection, and coming back to retake the Presidency a few years later.

It has happened precisely once. Grover Cleveland.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:27 pm

Arion640 wrote:
no wonder trump has lost the popular vote.


So that’s both times, then. That must really sting his fragile ego.
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:28 pm

If Trump loses this I'll buy so much popcorn to see the hellfire One Term Don spews on America. Are there aliens in Area 51? What really happened to Lady Di? Tell me, man--do something useful for once!
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:31 pm

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An incumbent president losing reelection, and coming back to retake the Presidency a few years later.


Recently, incumbents presidents usually are assumed to have such an advantage that losing makes them a giant-failbag-fired-loser who needs to retire from politics.

However the prior cases in the last few decades may not be this tight. Trump will be more of a lost cause.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:33 pm

scbriml wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
no wonder trump has lost the popular vote.


So that’s both times, then. That must really sting his fragile ego.


The coping method is to deny reality, and declare that the numbers are wrong. Fake news!
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:35 pm

winginit wrote:
Ah yes, California. You know:

- The state with more people than any other
- The state with the largest economy in the nation, fifth largest in the world
- The state responsible for a massive proportion of the US job growth over the past four years that Trump has taken credit for
- The state that is such a liberal hellhole according to some that... wait a minute... that more Republicans live there than any other state


Adding on - it's also where Facebook and Twitter is headquartered...you know, the platforms that Trump worshippers love to use to spread misinformation and fake news.

ssteve wrote:
The political system, such as it is, bends over backwards to give Arkansas and every other small state outsize power. And yes, there is a lot of effort that goes into ensuring that those flyover voters remain reliably GOP. But it's certainly not because they don't have power. It's because as an aggregate, they have immense power. What I don't see, though, is any indication that they're *not* embracing the attitudes spoonfed to them by the media outlets that *are* successfully controlling them.


Umm...Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Delaware (You know, where Biden is from) would like to have a word with you in this regards.

States like Arkansas is a lost cause anyway, without Walmart it would be less relevant than Mississippi.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:36 pm

winginit wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I fear the Democrats won't learn from this, and in 2022 they will keep pushing this, and dig in. Well not fear, good, they will lose badly in 2022 and coming 2024 we will have a better candidate for the WH that could expand our electorate and keep us in power, and despite what you all believe, no Trumpism is not dead, basically it will still be going on for a long time. And the best is, without stupid tweets, stupid comments and such.

Despite what ever Biden might do with the pen if he wins, we will revert it all back in 2024.


What's that you say about having a better candidate in 2024?

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Do we think, for even one single second, that Trump wouldn't quite easily suck a few billion out of his base via TrumpTV or whatever and then mount another run in 2024? He is, by the way, at present the leading Republican Nominee Candidate for 2024 on the betting markets.

I think in 2024 it will be Harris vs. Haley.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:46 pm

luckyone wrote:
It has happened precisely once. Grover Cleveland.


And looking back at Grover Cleveland, he barely won first time around (by ~1000 votes in NY which was the swing state at that time), lost the 2nd time but actually getting a plurality in popular vote (#3 in 5 times that happen, the two after that are the very recent 2000 Bush v. Gore and of course, 2016), and only his 3rd election (2nd term as president) he won by a larger margin.

Of course, if Trump somehow pull it off this time around, he'll definitely make the history book as the one and only president that lost the popular vote but win a presidential election, twice.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:52 pm

N14AZ wrote:
I think in 2024 it will be Harris vs. Haley.

If Trump does run, he'll be a mandatory one-termer so it will be all about the VP. And I think Trump will be trying for the next four years to convince Haley to be his VP and he then hands her the reiegns at the following election....

If something like that happened, that would be a whole lot of hurt for the Dems.

I also think there is little if any chance that Nikki will want to be stuck under, next to, attached to Trump's modus operandi. She is too smart and capable for that. And as you note she could be a leading candidate herself (probably, at this point).

Tugg
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:36 pm

Tugger wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
I think in 2024 it will be Harris vs. Haley.

If Trump does run, he'll be a mandatory one-termer so it will be all about the VP. And I think Trump will be trying for the next four years to convince Haley to be his VP and he then hands her the reiegns at the following election....

If something like that happened, that would be a whole lot of hurt for the Dems.

I also think there is little if any chance that Nikki will want to be stuck under, next to, attached to Trump's modus operandi. She is too smart and capable for that. And as you note she could be a leading candidate herself (probably, at this point).

Tugg

It will be interesting to see what happens should Trump lose. I expect we'll see most Republicans revert to their 2016 primary stances, when much of the field was quite hostile to him, but they fell in line behind the nominee. The party itself I suspect has little love for him and will look to support someone else. They would certainly be wise to cull the herd before the primary, as there were just too many candidates, and a lot of them overlapped with each other (ie. Cruz/Rubio, Bush/Kasich, Huckabee/Santorum), you had multiple people occupying the same lane which diluted the vote. With a field half the size, Trump would not have been the nominee, and I'm willing to bet the RNC has been quietly kicking themselves for that for a few years now. But...I guess we'll see what happens.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:38 pm

Earlier in the thread there was some criticism of the forecast at fivethirtyeight that showed Biden with an 89% chance of winning as election day began. I think where we find ourselves now is actually a validation of that assessment. There's been roughly a 4% national polling miss in Trump's favor, larger miss favoring Trump in some swing states, yet Biden still looks increasingly likely to have won the presidency.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:48 pm

winginit wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I fear the Democrats won't learn from this, and in 2022 they will keep pushing this, and dig in. Well not fear, good, they will lose badly in 2022 and coming 2024 we will have a better candidate for the WH that could expand our electorate and keep us in power, and despite what you all believe, no Trumpism is not dead, basically it will still be going on for a long time. And the best is, without stupid tweets, stupid comments and such.

Despite what ever Biden might do with the pen if he wins, we will revert it all back in 2024.


What's that you say about having a better candidate in 2024?

Image

Do we think, for even one single second, that Trump wouldn't quite easily suck a few billion out of his base via TrumpTV or whatever and then mount another run in 2024? He is, by the way, at present the leading Republican Nominee Candidate for 2024 on the betting markets.

Should be fun watching him run his campaign from a prison cell......... :lol:
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:56 pm

Alias1024 wrote:
Earlier in the thread there was some criticism of the forecast at fivethirtyeight that showed Biden with an 89% chance of winning as election day began. I think where we find ourselves now is actually a validation of that assessment. There's been roughly a 4% national polling miss in Trump's favor, larger miss favoring Trump in some swing states, yet Biden still looks increasingly likely to have won the presidency.


I've been thinking a lot about that as well, especially since there is a good chance at this point that Joe Biden wins this election with more than 300+ electoral college votes. Does there need to be a moment of reckoning (again) for pollsters and in many ways the broader Democratic Party? No doubt about it, but based on where we currently stand there will be virtually no bombshell surprises state by state when it comes to the Presidential race.

As I think I mentioned earlier in this thread as well, the betting markets on the morning of November 3rd predicted every single state correctly assuming Biden wins AZ/NV/PA and Trump takes NC/GA.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:02 pm

rfields5421 wrote:
It has happened before. An incumbent president losing reelection, and coming back to retake the Presidency a few years later.


After endlessly bashing Biden about his age, Trump would, of course, be older than Biden is now.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:13 pm

More legal stuff back and forth in Pennsylvania.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-n ... f92e0e9327

Pennsylvania’s attorney general told the Supreme Court Thursday that he objects to the Trump campaign joining a pending dispute concerning late arriving ballots in the Commonwealth.

The justices are currently considering a case brought by Republicans challenging a Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision that allowed ballots to be counted up to three days after the election even if they don’t have a legible postmark. The Trump campaign is asking the justices to allow it to become a part of the dispute arguing that the election could come down to those ballots.


https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-n ... ee283cb982

The Trump campaign filed a new lawsuit Thursday afternoon against Philadelphia elections officials for allegedly violating their due process rights by blocking the observation of ballots in the city.

This complaint doesn't seem to include any details about how and why canvassing might have been blocked.


Oh how surprising, just one of many in a row of lawsuits without any evidence or substantial that would merit the lawsuit. Just suing for the sake of suing.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:20 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
Yes, looking forward to the "Sleepy Donald 2024" race.


He won't run in 2024 he will get his daughter to do that. :yes:
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:20 pm

72,639,233 (as of this post) have voted for Joe Biden, more votes cast for a single Presidential candidate in American history. And that is only with 66% of California reporting. Staggering number, and a mandate to govern if I've ever seen one.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:28 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
He won't run in 2024 he will get his daughter to do that.

The American people will decide who runs for President.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:30 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
He won't run in 2024 he will get his daughter to do that.

The American people will decide who runs for President.

Am I alone in thinking that, should he lose, he will be glad to be rid of the headache, the constant resistance and lack of universal praise? As a former POTUS he gets all the perks, doesn't have to deal with policy headaches, and can surround himself in a bubble of adulation? And that the kids feel similarly?

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