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M564038
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:11 pm

Why on earth do you think that would happen?
They might be a right-leaning Supreme court and a little crazy, but they aren’t crazy enough to be the ones turning the US into a proto-fascist, authoritarian banana republic.

afcjets wrote:
flipdewaf wrote:
afcjets wrote:

I don't think he's going anywhere.

Yes, he’s still in office till January.



I think once it reaches the SCOTUS, Trump will be declared the winner.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:15 pm

LittleFokker wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Is something preventing Biden to write like 25 EO a day to undo everything Trump did that way in a couple of weeks ?


Only Republican bitching and moaning - Biden can write as many as he wants. Of course, I'm sure many will be challenged in court, but the time for pussyfooting around is over. Get to work Biden!


I'm just talking about reversing the ones Trump wrote (for starters). No point in going to court as either the court decides the president can do that and it's OK, or it decides he can't do that and that means Trump's EO gets thrown out, same result.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:17 pm

President Trump has proven an old adage true: anybody can be in charge when times are good—he inherited an up trending economy and being no fool touted it. But not everybody can be in charge when times are bad. His handling of the corona virus was likely the tipping point. He did his usual shouting, finger pointing, blaming, deflection of responsibility, actively attacked the people who actually knew a thing or two about the problem, and then we later learned that he had the opportunity to do more but downplayed it. I’ll give him his due that he understands money and the financial system, but there’s more to governing. And when things get rough, more chaos doesn’t do anybody any good. In Biden, we have a boring meh guy who’s been in leadership roles for over forty years. He is not perfect, but he has been around through the largest expanse of middle class in American history and was around when we had get through the GFC. Sometimes it’s what you do, and not what you say that matters.
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:19 pm

Why would the SCOTUS reverse the outcome?.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:20 pm

M564038 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
flipdewaf wrote:
Yes, he’s still in office till January.


I think once it reaches the SCOTUS, Trump will be declared the winner.
Why on earth do you think that would happen?
They might be a right-leaning Supreme court and a little crazy, but they aren’t crazy enough to be the ones turning the US into a proto-fascist, authoritarian banana republic.


And the fact they're in the court for life is a double edged sword. Sure they can lean right for all that time. But also, they have no incentive to cover for a crook. He can't touch them.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:24 pm

afcjets wrote:
flipdewaf wrote:
afcjets wrote:

I don't think he's going anywhere.

Yes, he’s still in office till January.



I think once it reaches the SCOTUS, Trump will be declared the winner.

I think you are wrong. His suits don't hold water and the Supreme Court justices are not going to turn a blind eye to that little fact. But go ahead and cling to that hope if it helps ease the pain.
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:34 pm

He has made a lot of allegations, but has not shown a lot of evidence.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:46 pm

art wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
Please note that thread title will not be changed until there will be an official confirmation on who will be the 46th president of the United States. Thanks


What is the official confirmation - EC vote?


When Congress convenes in January 2021, and counts the EC votes, and then declares who is President.... Then, it's Official.
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:48 pm

I will breath a deep sigh of relief once the vote is certified, but for now I feel much more optimistic with Trump being on his way out :D

b4thefall wrote:
marcelh wrote:
winginit wrote:

That's your takeaway from literally millions more Americans voting for Joe Biden over Donald Trump? Your aggregate conclusion about where America sits on the political spectrum seems to be derived from where people live, which is of course flawed. Take a few million Californians and New Yorkers and spread them across the sunbelt and every single one of those states would turn blue. The reason for that is, of course, that the US is a center left country and has far more liberals than conservatives.

As an European, I always have to laugh when US citizens are talking about “left” and “right”. There is hardly “left” in the USA, only different shades of political “right”.


Exactly! It's laughably hilarious (and kind of sad) that almost half the voting population of the US seem to have been convinced that the Democrats are "radical left socialists". They are nothing of a sort. Here in Europe, they would be seen as right leaning centrists at least.

That is quite an exaggeration really. Looking at the policies supported by most of the Democratic field during the primary (Sanders, Warren, Harris, etc.) they certainly would not be center right even in Europe- universal single-payer healthcare, free university, wealth taxes, doubling the national minimum wage, Green New Deal, high corporate income taxes, federal job guarantees, universal basic income, reparations...many of these are center left even by European standards. Granted a lot of these aren't the formal planks Biden ended up running on, but they're certainly not outside of the mainstream of Democratic Party politics.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:48 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Joe Biden really connected with People. Now we can move forward. Take care of Business. take care of the sick, and for us all to heal. Those who voted for Trump, take your time to grieve and move on. If that means leaving the U.S. so be it. You weren't a real American.


Connected? Only in creepy feel you way. :rotfl:

As for the rest of your statement it really doesn't deserve a response. Though making the whole country California is a wet dream of many.

No, voting for a narcissist idiot who loves extreme right gives a lot of bonus points when it comes to connection
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:49 pm

Aesma wrote:
Is something preventing Biden to write like 25 EO a day to undo everything Trump did that way in a couple of weeks ?


Yes, and it's just that, that will set a fire burning in conservatives, and will usher in "Tea Party Mk.II" for the 2022 Mid-Terms.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:52 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Why would the SCOTUS reverse the outcome?.


Unless Trump's legal team can offer compelling evidence of electoral fraud, it's not getting that far up the ladder. That shrieking tangerine's time is up. Good riddance.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:02 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
art wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
Please note that thread title will not be changed until there will be an official confirmation on who will be the 46th president of the United States. Thanks
What is the official confirmation - EC vote?

When Congress convenes in January 2021, and counts the EC votes, and then declares who is President.... Then, it's Official.

So, January 2021
"and counts the EC votes"
Ok, February then
"and then declares ..."
What - March already. :o

You could've just left it at January (when Congress convenes).
But I suppose whilst there's still hope, you might as well cling on to every last possible moment. :banghead:

After all, graciously conceding defeat was never a possibility.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:03 pm

Still if he wants to take a trip, Thailand is quite a nice place to go.

Please do a TR and post your (appropriate) pictures here.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:04 pm

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
Oh stop making crap up. We have enough of that from Trump right now. Yes, Trump's lead in TX in narrower this year than before, but on much higher turn-out, and notably the Dems underperformed significantly in areas where Hillary won in 2016...particularly among minorities who broke for Trump in higher numbers. There's enough soul-searching to be going around after this.



Thank you for your insight, but I was correct the first time. You will be too once you cross reference the size, local population density, disparity margin of R:D, relative wealth, and the fact that only one polling station per county was allowed for this race. It was not a negligible contribution.

Not one polling station per county...it was one ballot drop box location per county. Otherwise nothing was different procedurally from the prior election.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:12 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Lord help us. I am already putting together a contingency plan to move to Thailand a la Superfly.

Aw, c'mon now - that's an over-reaction.

I mean to say - by all means change your username to distance yourself from everything you have posted these past four years. But don't leave us completely; your insight and incredible ability to discern important issues from fake news is what many of us come here for. :rotfl:
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:32 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Lord help us. I am already putting together a contingency plan to move to Thailand a la Superfly.


Sounds an awful lot like all those "liberal elites" in 2016 wanting to move to Canada or Europe, you know, those that you people on the right loved to make fun of and call sore losers.

Life really does come back to bite you in the ass, huh?
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:46 pm

And, once again, the Republican mantra of "state's rights" goes out the window. King MAGA will just keep suing and suing until he gets his way. And he will punish those who are against him.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:50 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Joe Biden really connected with People. Now we can move forward. Take care of Business. take care of the sick, and for us all to heal. Those who voted for Trump, take your time to grieve and move on. If that means leaving the U.S. so be it. You weren't a real American.


Connected? Only in creepy feel you way. :rotfl:

As for the rest of your statement it really doesn't deserve a response. Though making the whole country California is a wet dream of many.


Do you not understand that in this election there was a red wave, they voted for Republican candidates, just not Trump.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:08 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
scbriml wrote:

LCDFlight wrote:
Trump is walking away with it.


Another post that hasn't aged well.


Very true! I was dead wrong about the endgame of COVID mail-in ballots favoring Biden for the win. In 2016, the endgame was, later votes from the sticks (Florida for example) tended to go Trump. So when he got a greater election night lead than he did in 2016, it looked decisive.

But mail-in ballots favored Biden. The logic is a little confusing (COVID aware people, who lean Biden, more likely to vote by mail? Greater Trump outrage factor?). Normally, I associated mail-in with old people. And old people tended to favor Trump. I did not think election night was looking savable.

And you know what? Joe Biden didn't either. He looked awful on election night trying to say it's not over yet. He truly thought he had lost IMO

Anyway, this time, Democratic plans were correct and my post was wrong. Election night still didn't turn out the way anybody expected. Both sides put up a strong showing. Despite the poor candidates on both sides. I am happy the election got carried out and both political extremes got to fight it out.


You are not totally wrong about mail-in ballots, though, as Arizona is seeing a red shift in contrast to all the other competitive states.

This year is just different when it comes to mail-in ballot anyway - with COVID around and also the unknown factor of whether there will be insanely long line on election day, probably 3-4x (it may be more) people vote by mail. In particular, in heavy blue cities (i.e. Philly) or even suburban counties, the main push for mail-in ballots were from Dems. Arizona is the opposite - i.e. it was the Republicans pushing older people to mail-in their vote.

scbriml wrote:
Biden looks like he'll end up with 306 EC votes, which is more than Trump managed in his 2016 "landslide". Sounds like a convincing win to me.


This year is not much different than 2016 anyway. Trump got just enough votes in a few swing states to win in 2016. This time around, Biden turns the table and got just enough votes in a few swing states to win. The margin Biden win by in those few states should be larger than Trump, though.

Which is why I laugh at Trump when he say it was a "landslide" in 2016. But hey, as long as his supporters believe that...
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:10 pm

afcjets wrote:
flipdewaf wrote:
afcjets wrote:

I don't think he's going anywhere.

Yes, he’s still in office till January.



I think once it reaches the SCOTUS, Trump will be declared the winner.


If SCOTUS gives the verdict in favour of Trump for the sake of it, then it will bring a 'Bad Name' to the Republican Party.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:13 pm

America doesn't have a problem with Republicans, but Donald Trump was a bad president who needed to go. Good riddance.

I know the Red Hat Cult won't go away soon. It's just nice to see most Republican in and out of government finally admit that the emperor has no clothes--something we've been pointing out for almost five years now.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:26 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Well he accomplished more in 4 years than Biden did in 47. That is for sure.


haha. President-elect Biden has never lost a General Election so Trump has that on him!
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:50 pm

Just thinking ahead: given that Donald Trump is such a divisive figure I would assume the Republicans wouldn't want to touch him again. So supposing he decides to run as an independent in 2024, would the Republicans take fright, given that he has such a strong and loyal base, and realise they have no choice but to get him to run for them again, rather than split the right wing vote?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:04 pm

flyguy89 wrote:
That is quite an exaggeration really. Looking at the policies supported by most of the Democratic field during the primary (Sanders, Warren, Harris, etc.) they certainly would not be center right even in Europe- universal single-payer healthcare, free university, wealth taxes, doubling the national minimum wage, Green New Deal, high corporate income taxes, federal job guarantees, universal basic income, reparations...many of these are center left even by European standards. Granted a lot of these aren't the formal planks Biden ended up running on, but they're certainly not outside of the mainstream of Democratic Party politics.


In my country they're not left or right propositions, they're a concrete reality no party even talks about changing.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:08 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Is something preventing Biden to write like 25 EO a day to undo everything Trump did that way in a couple of weeks ?


Yes, and it's just that, that will set a fire burning in conservatives, and will usher in "Tea Party Mk.II" for the 2022 Mid-Terms.


Yes what ? And why should Biden care ? Did Trump care about anybody ?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:23 pm

So the experiment comes to an end. Putting a despot at the top of a democratic country. Seems that the American people decided it wasn't one of their more bright ideas to begin with.

Now let Biden try to mend the country a bit.
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:34 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Still if he wants to take a trip, Thailand is quite a nice place to go.

Please do a TR and post your (appropriate) pictures here.


Thailand at the moment?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:22 pm

After 4 years the national nightmare is finally over!!

This is how I feel now that Biden has won. (my reaction is at 20 seconds on this video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f54zMuDixe4
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:24 pm

DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Do you not understand that in this election there was a red wave, they voted for Republican candidates, just not Trump.


You are half right.
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:27 pm

History is going to be very rough on Trump and he deserves every bid of it. All his lies, his hypocracy, his amorality, his insults and his crimes are documented in pictures, movies, texts, all over the internet. Multiplied and shared all over the world. There‘s no hiding from it.
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:32 pm

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Please note that thread title will not be changed until there will be an official confirmation on who will be the 46th president of the United States. Thanks

It sounds like a done deal. Who or what in the gov't does the official confirmation?
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:36 pm

Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Joe won't last that long. Mid 2020 at most.
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:45 pm

Lilienthal wrote:
History is going to be very rough on Trump and he deserves every bid of it. All his lies, his hypocracy, his amorality, his insults and his crimes are documented in pictures, movies, texts, all over the internet. Multiplied and shared all over the world. There‘s no hiding from it.


Yeah I congratulate Joe Biden on his win and if you will notice the Trump supporters are not rioting in the streets. If the reverse had happened you can bet your bottom dollar the ones dancing in the streets today in Chicago, Philly and DC would be burning the cities to the ground...Even CNN anchor Anderson Cooper shut down Rick Santorum when he said the businesses boarding up their businesses prior to the election are not doing it for fear of Trump supporters. But I in some way like Trump being kicked in the jimmies he needed to be knocked down a peg or two. I just hope the republicans can keep the senate. Georgia will be the state to watch in Jan but I think they will stay red. I and at least half of this country do not want the progressives to steamroll their agenda.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:53 pm

Elkadad313 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Joe won't last that long. Mid 2020 at most.


You realize its November 2020 currently, right?

Also, why are people saying Biden will be done by 2022? Is this a "LOL Biden is old" joke?
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:26 pm

Elkadad313 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Joe won't last that long. Mid 2020 at most.


So you're saying Trump just lost to a dead man?
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:28 pm

Elkadad313 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Joe won't last that long. Mid 2020 at most.


Is this prediction going to be as accurate as your debate predictions? :duck:
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:34 pm

Why did maine elect a republican senator but biden for president?
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:35 pm

bgm wrote:
Elkadad313 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Joe won't last that long. Mid 2020 at most.


Is this prediction going to be as accurate as your debate predictions? :duck:

I guess the marching orders now are "the whole latter half of 2020 is just a hoax!"
 
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:36 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Why did maine elect a republican senator but biden for president?

They must have rediscovered their gag reflex.
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:13 am

Elkadad313 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
The fun part is that Kamala Harris should become the 47th president around 2022...

Joe won't last that long. Mid 2020 at most.

Give me the over.
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:18 am

So Trump finally lost. That's sad. I was looking forward to four more years of discussions on a.net.
Also:
We Europeans loose the most funny gossip.

Well:
Thank you Trump for all the funny stuff you gave us.
On a more serious note:
Thank you for your peaceful foreign policy.
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:19 am

Arion640 wrote:
Why did maine elect a republican senator but biden for president?

Republicans voting Biden because they want Trump out?
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:21 am

Trump now is a defeated incumbent. That is not pleasant, but in a democracy that is the voters' decision.

But what is completely up to him now is whether he leaves the White House as a pathetic loser.

Nobody but Trump himself can make him that.
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:22 am

Jalap wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Why did maine elect a republican senator but biden for president?

Republicans voting Biden because they want Trump out?

Susan Collins is a long term Senator from Maine and her voting record tends to be more independent than many of her harder lined Republican colleagues.
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:33 am

Braybuddy wrote:
Just thinking ahead: given that Donald Trump is such a divisive figure I would assume the Republicans wouldn't want to touch him again. So supposing he decides to run as an independent in 2024, would the Republicans take fright, given that he has such a strong and loyal base, and realise they have no choice but to get him to run for them again, rather than split the right wing vote?

Interesting thought.
But then in 2024 Trump will be too old.
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:39 am

afcjets wrote:
I think once it reaches the SCOTUS, Trump will be declared the winner.


The US Supreme Court does not have the power to overturn the votes of the states.

Bush v Gore in 2000 - the Supreme Court pointed out that their decision was not a precedent on future election issues. It decide one narrow point - could the Democrats require the Florida Secretary of State to wait to certify the electors and vote totals past the state legislature set deadlines (to allow additional recounts). The answer was no.

In 2000, Florida was one of the earliest states to certify the popular vote. The Secretary of State later had to submit a corrected certificate, but it was submitted on time.

At most the Supreme Court could say a state has violated federal election law in denying VOTERS rights. Candidates such as Trump have NO rights unless granted by the state legislature. At best, they can get orders to allow Republican voters whose ballots were disqualified to challenge the disqualifications.

Because of the Electoral College deadlines, the best the Trump Team could hope for is to have one or two states which voted for Biden have their Electoral College votes thrown out. The state and their voters will be not represented in the official vote for President.

Here is a key point from the 12th Amendement
The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed
(source - https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/amendments-11-27)

Say the PA slate of electors is challenged and the 20 electors and their votes are thrown out. That means only 259 electoral votes are needed to become President.

And the NEW House and Senate have the sole power to decide to accept or reject the electoral votes of a state - NOT SCOTUS.

In 1960 - the State of Hawaii submitted two sets of elector / electoral vote certificates. The Republican electors and their votes were thrown out, and the Democrat electors and their votes were accepted BY CONGRESS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election_in_Hawaii

flipdewaf wrote:
Does he have any restrictions to avoid going nuts knowing he’s out?


No. He is still President. But for many things he needs the help of Congress, and very few would support him on anything crazy. There are even checks which would stop him from launching nukes without a credible threat.

Arion640 wrote:
Why did maine elect a republican senator but biden for president?


Because the people of Maine apparently like the way their Senator has been doing things for them. Tip O'Neill supposedly said "All politics is local"

Votes for an incumbent that has a staff that works hard to help the members of their state/ district are very common. Doing that job is much more important than party to most voters.

In Texas a moderate Democrat flipped a House seat in 2018 when the existing Republican retired. The district is overwhelmingly Republican. Yet, this Democrat was re-elected by a wide margin. One of the things he was instrumental in accomplishing this year was to get a major hospital owner in the DFW area to donate an excess building to the VA, and the VA to accept and start to staff the donation. That is taking care of the local people.
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:39 am

Sokes wrote:
So Trump finally lost. That's sad. I was looking forward to four more years of discussions on a.net.
Also:
We Europeans loose the most funny gossip.

It was depressing and revolting. And the rest more pitiful than actually funny.

Well:
Thank you Trump for all the funny stuff you gave us.
On a more serious note:
Thank you for your peaceful foreign policy.

Trump's appeasement of the vilest dictators while punching democratic allies in the face has massively destabilized the world. There was nothing "peaceful" about Trump!
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:45 am

One termer and impeached. Maybe we can add convicted felon to the list?
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:50 am

Sokes wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
Just thinking ahead: given that Donald Trump is such a divisive figure I would assume the Republicans wouldn't want to touch him again. So supposing he decides to run as an independent in 2024, would the Republicans take fright, given that he has such a strong and loyal base, and realise they have no choice but to get him to run for them again, rather than split the right wing vote?

Interesting thought.
But then in 2024 Trump will be too old.

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