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meecrob
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:50 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
meecrob wrote:


Let's say you are correct. How does this change the fact that Trump lost the election? You sound like the guy at every party in college who is like "Yeah, but Hitler made the trains run on time too!"



It doesn't. I am just pointing out the extreme bias here. You are making Trump out to be the worst human being ever and Abrams to be this great thing all while exhibiting the same behavior after losing an election. I don't know why you are lumping me into this crazy crowd that won't accept Trump lost. I don't recall saying that. :sarcastic:

meecrob wrote:

Also I have to say out of respect for the woman, it shows your colours that you oppose someone who is an advocate for marginalized communities to vote. We are all human and sometimes you are not the majority. Suck it up and move on. The marginalized are speaking, its time to listen.


No it doesn't that is just something you are inventing to smear me. I am for all communities voting. Every legal citizen of the united states should have a vote. Stop with the straw men. Many people spoke during the election and they should be heard. Just ask Max Rose.


Look, I have nothing against you and I'm not out for a witch hunt of Trump supporters, but facts are facts. Trump is a poor example of a human being. Please put forth evidence that he is actually acting rationally as opposed to denying he lost.

In addition, I am not trying to smear you. I am making specific points that are the opposite of "smearing" someone. If I were to smear you, I'd say something like "NIK69 is a dumbass because he is a republican".

You still have not provided any evidence that what I said is incorrect. Similar to Trump has still not provided any evidence of voter fraud.

Edit: you said something like you aren't part of the group that thinks Trump won...cool! I mean that sincerely. I must sound like some ultra-liberal..but honestly my hope is that we can all get along. Kinda like what Chappelle said "you guys hate eachother, but I hate the feeling of division" I hate that feeling too, and its easy to target someone else, its hard to target yourself and bring people together. So even though we disagree, I'm sorry for being a jerk. Like if being correct is me being a jerk, I'd rather be wrong. Have a good night man, after all, we are all human and have to live on the same planet.
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:53 pm

Under the Trump administration 2 vaccines have been created and tested to the point where one or both should be approved for use by the end of the year (the Pfizer and Modena products), according to the WH briefing earlier.

Whooooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:00 pm

art wrote:
Under the Trump administration 2 vaccines have been created and tested to the point where one or both should be approved for use by the end of the year (the Pfizer and Modena products), according to the WH briefing earlier.

Whooooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

With funding provided by Congress. This is not a Republican or Democratic success. This is an American success.
 
meecrob
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:01 pm

...the Trump administration had nothing to do with the vaccines...
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:06 pm

luckyone wrote:
art wrote:
Under the Trump administration 2 vaccines have been created and tested to the point where one or both should be approved for use by the end of the year (the Pfizer and Modena products), according to the WH briefing earlier.

Whooooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

With funding provided by Congress. This is not a Republican or Democratic success. This is an American success.


A pedant might be tempted to point out this isn't an "American success". The work on the vaccine is jointly shared with a German company BioNTech.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:08 pm

scbriml wrote:
luckyone wrote:
art wrote:
Under the Trump administration 2 vaccines have been created and tested to the point where one or both should be approved for use by the end of the year (the Pfizer and Modena products), according to the WH briefing earlier.

Whooooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

With funding provided by Congress. This is not a Republican or Democratic success. This is an American success.


A pedant might be tempted to point out this isn't an "American success". The work on the vaccine is jointly shared with a German company BioNTech.

The pedant would be correct. I just meant from the organizational abilities and resources that the United States has provided toward the effort.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:12 pm

art wrote:
Under the Trump administration 2 vaccines have been created and tested to the point where one or both should be approved for use by the end of the year (the Pfizer and Modena products), according to the WH briefing earlier.

Whooooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!



The "Pfizer product" is a vaccine developed by BioNtech, a German company. Pfizer bought into it and provided funding.

The Moderna vaccine won't be ready until next spring.

The Trump administration had nothing to do with it.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:16 pm

luckyone wrote:
scbriml wrote:
luckyone wrote:
With funding provided by Congress. This is not a Republican or Democratic success. This is an American success.


A pedant might be tempted to point out this isn't an "American success". The work on the vaccine is jointly shared with a German company BioNTech.

The pedant would be correct. I just meant from the organizational abilities and resources that the United States has provided toward the effort.


:checkmark:

If the other vaccines being developed are anywhere near as good, we may yet defeat Covid-19 globally and that would be something we could all be proud of.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:16 pm

art wrote:
The Twenty-fifth Amendment (Amendment XXV) to the United States Constitution deals with issues related to presidential succession and disability. It clarifies that the vice president becomes president (as opposed to acting president) if the president dies, resigns, or is removed from office...


How can it be used if the president is alive, has not resigned and there is no way to remove him from office? Impeachment is possible but the senatorial quasi court is worse than useless since most of the senators will refuse to find the president guilty if he and they are members of the same political party (ably demonstrated recently).


Part of the 25th Amendment establishes a procedure to remove a President from power if he/she is incapacitied.

Note it will not remove the President from Office as many Republicans are saying is the plan to make Nancy Pelosi VP, and Kamila Harris President.

I assume some people are saying Donald Trumps' current behavior is erratic and show signs that Pence and the fifteen "principle officers of the executive departments" should remove him from power. Th time factors involved would not result in Trump being removed from power, but remaining President. Also 2/3 of Congress must vote that the President is "incapacitated", otherwise the President resumes power.

This section was added to the Amendment in light of several possibilities, and historical occurrences. In 1919 President Woodrow Wilson had a severe stroke. It was kept secret, only after it became public, did people realize that the person running the executive branch for near a year was his wife.

Dwight Eisenhower had a heart attack and emergency surgery during his Presidency. Twice being unable to fulfill the duties of his office. If the Russians had attacked with nuclear weapons, the Vice President would have been not legal to launch a retaliatory attack.

When Kennedy was killed, there were rumors that he was really alive, but basically brain dead. Kept alive by machines. That was obviously not true, but what would happen if such a thing did happen. The VP would have no authority to make decisions for the defense of the nation, or to run the country.

This amendment was written and passed and ratified during the height of the cold war. That was a serious concern.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:21 pm

art wrote:
Under the Trump administration 2 vaccines have been created and tested to the point where one or both should be approved for use by the end of the year (the Pfizer and Modena products), according to the WH briefing earlier.

Whooooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


Pfizer did not participate in "Operation Warp Speed" for vaccine trials.

Trump Falsely Claims Credit For Pfizer Vaccine, Though Company Did Not Take Government Funds (Source: Forbes)

Pfizer CEO: Our vaccine timing had nothing to do with politics (Source: CNN)
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:23 pm

flipdewaf wrote:
acavpics wrote:
What drove GA leftwards while its neighbors moved to the right?

Education and morals...


Disagree.

First the neighbors of Georgia did not move right. A few percentage points maybe, but nothing substantially changed. What they got was a bigger voter turnout, especially among their conservatives.

What has changed in Georgia is the influx of people from northern, more liberal states to Georgia seeking jobs and opportunity. Moving from California to Georgia does not turn someone from a liberal to a conservative. Texas moved substantially to the left if you look closely at the votes cast and where they were cast. Places with growth of new population based on movement with jobs were decidedly more 'blue'.

Not yet enough to overcome the traditional vote.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:57 pm

Tugger wrote:
Our nation has a strong and robust election process and system. It has been tested for two hundred years and thousands of elections. It will be tested and checked and reviewed many hundreds of times over in the coming years. It has 50 (plus) separate election processes and oversight systems. When problems arose in the past they were addressed, and that will continue.


Is that a realistic assessment? It took a whole 11 days to count Arizona, a state smaller in population than Switzerland.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:30 am

How are all those Trump donors feeling paying exorbitant fees for lawyers that lose?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/1 ... ped-436492

A Michigan lawyer for Donald Trump’s campaign filed a case in the wrong court. Lawsuits in Arizona and Nevada were dropped. A Georgia challenge was quickly rejected for lack of evidence. His Pennsylvania legal team just threw in the towel.

The president’s legal machine — the one papering swing states with lawsuits and affidavits in support of Trump’s unsubstantiated claims of widespread fraud — is slowly grinding to a halt after suffering a slew of legal defeats and setbacks.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:43 am

acavpics wrote:
Florida's recent results (2020 and 2018) shows that Democrats need a way to properly fend off the false claims that "progressive = socialist & communist." Even to this day, I haven't seen a single comeback phrase or counterclaim against this right wing propaganda which so many folks are buying.

Well step one would be to stop using those terms like "socialist" and "democratic socialism" altogether. As I pointed out earlier, if you have to constantly explain how something like democratic socialism isn't really socialism, you're already at a disadvantage. Another lesson here is also the weakness of identity politics. The idea that black and hispanic voters are a single monolithic voting block that Democrats can reliably lean on was demonstrably false in this election. These groups are more heterogeneous than conventional wisdom previously suggested.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:44 am

meecrob wrote:

Look, I have nothing against you and I'm not out for a witch hunt of Trump supporters, but facts are facts. Trump is a poor example of a human being. Please put forth evidence that he is actually acting rationally as opposed to denying he lost.

In addition, I am not trying to smear you. I am making specific points that are the opposite of "smearing" someone. If I were to smear you, I'd say something like "NIK69 is a dumbass because he is a republican".

You still have not provided any evidence that what I said is incorrect. Similar to Trump has still not provided any evidence of voter fraud.

Edit: you said something like you aren't part of the group that thinks Trump won...cool! I mean that sincerely. I must sound like some ultra-liberal..but honestly my hope is that we can all get along. Kinda like what Chappelle said "you guys hate eachother, but I hate the feeling of division" I hate that feeling too, and its easy to target someone else, its hard to target yourself and bring people together. So even though we disagree, I'm sorry for being a jerk. Like if being correct is me being a jerk, I'd rather be wrong. Have a good night man, after all, we are all human and have to live on the same planet.


Why do I have to put forth evidence that he is acting rational? I don't have a dog in this fight. Yet when Abrams and the entire Dem party did they same thing after they lost the GA election in 18' and general in 16' they acted just like Trump did. Yet they are heroes? Do you not see how looney tunes this is? From where I sit this whole deny I lost election routine is the new norm in politics and it was started by Nancy Pelosi with tweets like this https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/statu ... 94080?s=20 and then put into overdrive with Abrams after she lost her election. As far as Trump is concerned he has the right to use the legal route and not concede. I am not condoning it and I am still not sure why I have to. Just because I voted for the guy doesn't I mean I agree with everything he does. Again this is Identity politics.

And yes you were trying to smear me, by inferring that my opposing Stacy Abrams' views I was automatically anti marginalized communities voting (which if I understood you correctly was a veiled way of calling me racist) which is utter BS. Again I want everyone who is a legal citizen to vote. If Abrams wanted to level a charge that in GA that didn't happen that is her right as well. She dropped her legal fight so again not sure what this has to do with me.

If you hate this feeling of division than I suggest you vote for people like Joe Manchin and Nicole Malliotakis and not vote for people like Nancy Pelosi and AOC. We would be better off that is for sure.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:17 am

NIKV69 wrote:
meecrob wrote:

Look, I have nothing against you and I'm not out for a witch hunt of Trump supporters, but facts are facts. Trump is a poor example of a human being. Please put forth evidence that he is actually acting rationally as opposed to denying he lost.

In addition, I am not trying to smear you. I am making specific points that are the opposite of "smearing" someone. If I were to smear you, I'd say something like "NIK69 is a dumbass because he is a republican".

You still have not provided any evidence that what I said is incorrect. Similar to Trump has still not provided any evidence of voter fraud.

Edit: you said something like you aren't part of the group that thinks Trump won...cool! I mean that sincerely. I must sound like some ultra-liberal..but honestly my hope is that we can all get along. Kinda like what Chappelle said "you guys hate eachother, but I hate the feeling of division" I hate that feeling too, and its easy to target someone else, its hard to target yourself and bring people together. So even though we disagree, I'm sorry for being a jerk. Like if being correct is me being a jerk, I'd rather be wrong. Have a good night man, after all, we are all human and have to live on the same planet.


Why do I have to put forth evidence that he is acting rational? I don't have a dog in this fight. Yet when Abrams and the entire Dem party did they same thing after they lost the GA election in 18' and general in 16' they acted just like Trump did. Yet they are heroes? Do you not see how looney tunes this is? From where I sit this whole deny I lost election routine is the new norm in politics and it was started by Nancy Pelosi with tweets like this https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/statu ... 94080?s=20 and then put into overdrive with Abrams after she lost her election. As far as Trump is concerned he has the right to use the legal route and not concede. I am not condoning it and I am still not sure why I have to. Just because I voted for the guy doesn't I mean I agree with everything he does. Again this is Identity politics.

And yes you were trying to smear me, by inferring that my opposing Stacy Abrams' views I was automatically anti marginalized communities voting (which if I understood you correctly was a veiled way of calling me racist) which is utter BS. Again I want everyone who is a legal citizen to vote. If Abrams wanted to level a charge that in GA that didn't happen that is her right as well. She dropped her legal fight so again not sure what this has to do with me.

If you hate this feeling of division than I suggest you vote for people like Joe Manchin and Nicole Malliotakis and not vote for people like Nancy Pelosi and AOC. We would be better off that is for sure.


What is wrong with the tweet? It does not call out any party or person, and comes on the heels of a credible report by a Republican that the election was improperly influenced. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Honestly, many independents in this country really aren't. They're like vegetarians that order steak at a restaurant.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:52 am

NIKV69 wrote:
meecrob wrote:

Look, I have nothing against you and I'm not out for a witch hunt of Trump supporters, but facts are facts. Trump is a poor example of a human being. Please put forth evidence that he is actually acting rationally as opposed to denying he lost.

In addition, I am not trying to smear you. I am making specific points that are the opposite of "smearing" someone. If I were to smear you, I'd say something like "NIK69 is a dumbass because he is a republican".

You still have not provided any evidence that what I said is incorrect. Similar to Trump has still not provided any evidence of voter fraud.

Edit: you said something like you aren't part of the group that thinks Trump won...cool! I mean that sincerely. I must sound like some ultra-liberal..but honestly my hope is that we can all get along. Kinda like what Chappelle said "you guys hate eachother, but I hate the feeling of division" I hate that feeling too, and its easy to target someone else, its hard to target yourself and bring people together. So even though we disagree, I'm sorry for being a jerk. Like if being correct is me being a jerk, I'd rather be wrong. Have a good night man, after all, we are all human and have to live on the same planet.


Why do I have to put forth evidence that he is acting rational? I don't have a dog in this fight. Yet when Abrams and the entire Dem party did they same thing after they lost the GA election in 18' and general in 16' they acted just like Trump did. Yet they are heroes? Do you not see how looney tunes this is? From where I sit this whole deny I lost election routine is the new norm in politics and it was started by Nancy Pelosi with tweets like this https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/statu ... 94080?s=20 and then put into overdrive with Abrams after she lost her election. As far as Trump is concerned he has the right to use the legal route and not concede. I am not condoning it and I am still not sure why I have to. Just because I voted for the guy doesn't I mean I agree with everything he does. Again this is Identity politics.

And yes you were trying to smear me, by inferring that my opposing Stacy Abrams' views I was automatically anti marginalized communities voting (which if I understood you correctly was a veiled way of calling me racist) which is utter BS. Again I want everyone who is a legal citizen to vote. If Abrams wanted to level a charge that in GA that didn't happen that is her right as well. She dropped her legal fight so again not sure what this has to do with me.

If you hate this feeling of division than I suggest you vote for people like Joe Manchin and Nicole Malliotakis and not vote for people like Nancy Pelosi and AOC. We would be better off that is for sure.


I apologize if I smeared you. I know my train of thought is kinda all over the place right now, and I contradicted myself, but overall what I think is that no matter what you believe, we are all humans, and its silly we are all fighting. Whatever is happening in the White House doesn't mean we can't get along. I'm sorry for being part of the divisiveness. I know you have your beliefs, and no matter what I say will change them, so I feel stupid for trying. Overall, you are just a guy, just like me. We are equal and I didn't treat you as an equal.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:20 am

Pending certification, the finally tally is in: Biden 306 to Trump 232 Electoral votes. Although we ought to give Trump an extra electoral state win--- State of Denial.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:31 am

rfields5421 wrote:
flipdewaf wrote:
acavpics wrote:
What drove GA leftwards while its neighbors moved to the right?

Education and morals...


Disagree.

First the neighbors of Georgia did not move right. A few percentage points maybe, but nothing substantially changed. What they got was a bigger voter turnout, especially among their conservatives.

What has changed in Georgia is the influx of people from northern, more liberal states to Georgia seeking jobs and opportunity. Moving from California to Georgia does not turn someone from a liberal to a conservative. Texas moved substantially to the left if you look closely at the votes cast and where they were cast. Places with growth of new population based on movement with jobs were decidedly more 'blue'.

Not yet enough to overcome the traditional vote.


This is mostly anecdotal...but could Hollywood actually be making Georgia blue? In the last 10-15 years, southern Atlanta has become the TV and film production capital of the Eastern time zone. Pinewood (a UK production company) had already built their film studios south of Atlanta, and last year, Tyler Perry opened up his massive studio complex very close to ATL. "Stranger Things," "The Walking Dead, " and "Family Feud" are three of the many TV shows filmed in that area. Could those studios, and the talent that they attract, be the catalyst for change in Georgia? Well that, and Stacey Abrams outstanding work registering new voters.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:00 am

L410Turbolet wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Our nation has a strong and robust election process and system. It has been tested for two hundred years and thousands of elections. It will be tested and checked and reviewed many hundreds of times over in the coming years. It has 50 (plus) separate election processes and oversight systems. When problems arose in the past they were addressed, and that will continue.


Is that a realistic assessment? It took a whole 11 days to count Arizona, a state smaller in population than Switzerland.

Yes it is. I am positive.

There are enough countries that know the election results before they are held...And I have no need for instant results (why do so many, like Trump, seem to expect that?). The timing of the results is entirely dependent on the rules that govern the election. In many of the US states tabulation does not begin until the end of the election day, and then it has many checks and double checks to ensure all who voted and want their vote to e counted, get that chance.

So yes I believe my assessment is realistic.

Tugg
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:18 am

As more and more of his legal team bails on Trump's effort to undermine the election results, it seems he may appoint Giuliani himself to lead the desperate battle:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/preside ... e_hero_hed

With Giuliani in charge, what could possibly go wrong? :rotfl:
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:14 pm

State and Federal courts are upholding the rule of law as they must and barring the attempted path of Trump to use the courts to win.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgdhp

Trump will likely fight until the collection of EC votes in early December. He will also likely give out pardons to many around him, appear in some huge and superspreader rally at the WH to incorrectly take credit when the first vaccines are released, go to Mar-a-Largo for Thanksgiving and Christmas-New Years as well as play golf, continue to appoint more judges and put in RWNJ's in key positions in government. He will never give a true concession speech, keep saying the election was rigged by 'Democrats and Anfia' as to why he failed to win. I will be very relieved to have him no longer as President but it will be too late for saving many millions from Covid-19 infections,deaths and economic crises it caused.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:21 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I will be very relieved to have him no longer as President but it will be too late for saving many millions from Covid-19 infections,deaths and economic crises it caused.


This will be the sad legacy from his tenure as president. Along with a few miles of rusty wall that Mexico didn’t pay for.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:38 pm

Hanging CHAD Al Gore’s recount took 37 days.

I expect this to take even longer as from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,

and an even GREATER THREAT TO DEMOCRACIES integrity than the Al Gore event.

So I suggest, just grab your popcorn and crisps, and watch the American process play out. Oh and ...stay Covid-19 six feet apart, as long as you have a mask, and are around no one group of 10, more than 15 minutes.

Happy Thanksgiving Airlines. The airlines and their EMPLOYEES really needed this

along with the corruptible Dominion voting machines with their vote counting tech some of which outsourced, and other counting potentially manipulated in the data centers. Remember this people like you remember the BOEING MAX, when your state or county purchases vote counting technology in the future.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:56 pm

Has ANYONE put up any evidence of fraud.

Hopefully, someone somewhere will resolve this by 20/01/2021.

What happens if their outstanding court cases at that point?.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:23 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,


Are you seeing something that American election officials, secretary’s of state, governors, party poll watchers, international poll watchers, Trump’s highly paid legal team, democratic and republican federally appointed judges, the DOJ, the DHS and the media aren’t seeing? Because I find it unlikely that you are privy to knowledge that they aren’t. And the fact that they haven’t found any evidence of fraud speaks volumes.

So please, what are you seeing that hasn’t been thrown out of court and/or throughly debunked already?
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:24 pm

They thought they had found ONE, turns out as with everything Trump/GOP related it's either an outright lie or gross incompetence;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nfstgDFQSI
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:44 pm

2122M wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,


Are you seeing something that American election officials, secretary’s of state, governors, party poll watchers, international poll watchers, Trump’s highly paid legal team, democratic and republican federally appointed judges, the DOJ, the DHS and the media aren’t seeing?


The inside of the Trump Echo chamber? :scratchchin:

Rgds
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:04 pm

2122M wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,



So please, what are you seeing that hasn’t been thrown out of court and/or throughly debunked already?




KlimaBXsst wrote:
Hanging CHAD Al Gore’s recount took 37 days.

I expect this to take even longer as from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,

and an even GREATER THREAT TO DEMOCRACIES integrity than the Al Gore event.

So I suggest, just grab your popcorn and crisps, and watch the American process play out. Oh and ...stay Covid-19 six feet apart, as long as you have a mask, and are around no one group of 10, more than 15 minutes.

Happy Thanksgiving Airlines. The airlines and their EMPLOYEES really needed this

along with the corruptible Dominion voting machines with their vote counting tech some of which outsourced, and other counting potentially manipulated in the data centers. Remember this people like you remember the BOEING MAX, when your state or county purchases vote counting technology in the future.


Honestly as an independent Trump Republican or and independent Republican... I have learned long ago not to waste too much time with those who may have closed minds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=88jWxiC9orM
 
2122M
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:25 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
2122M wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,



So please, what are you seeing that hasn’t been thrown out of court and/or throughly debunked already?




KlimaBXsst wrote:
Hanging CHAD Al Gore’s recount took 37 days.

I expect this to take even longer as from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,

and an even GREATER THREAT TO DEMOCRACIES integrity than the Al Gore event.

So I suggest, just grab your popcorn and crisps, and watch the American process play out. Oh and ...stay Covid-19 six feet apart, as long as you have a mask, and are around no one group of 10, more than 15 minutes.

Happy Thanksgiving Airlines. The airlines and their EMPLOYEES really needed this

along with the corruptible Dominion voting machines with their vote counting tech some of which outsourced, and other counting potentially manipulated in the data centers. Remember this people like you remember the BOEING MAX, when your state or county purchases vote counting technology in the future.


Honestly as an independent Trump Republican or and independent Republican... I have learned long ago not to waste too much time with those who may have closed minds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=88jWxiC9orM


LOL. That was 3 days ago. What came of those affidavits? Oh that’s right, nothing. They were predominantly garbage. Don’t you think if there was any substance there that Trumps legal team would have been scoring lots of victories using these affidavits as evidence? Sure, when you are Fox ‘News’ you can make it look scary but they don’t seem to be holding up where it matter. You know, in court.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... laims.html
 
aerosreenivas
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:43 pm

It seems like there is no end to Trump and Republicans's 'Disinformation Tactics' in not acknowledging the fact that 'Biden Won This Election' fairly.

And it does seem 'Shocking' to me that many of the 73 million Trump voters are also believing in this 'Stole The Vote Theory'.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:22 pm

Trumpers and Trump, will be harping on this for the next four plus years. Just a different version of the Birther stupidity.

Just remember one thing: Echo's (chambers) die when there is no response.

Tugg
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:29 pm

Tugger wrote:
Trumpers and Trump, will be harping on this for the next four plus years. Just a different version of the Birther stupidity.

Just remember one thing: Echo's (chambers) die when there is no response.

Tugg

The thing is with this, like religions and other conspiracy theories is that they are effectively unfalsifiable and so the less intelligent of society can be easily swayed by them. It’s easier to persuade those that already have a propensity to believe fairy stories without evidence that this is also true.

Fred


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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:30 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
I expect this to take even longer as from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,

and an even GREATER THREAT TO DEMOCRACIES integrity than the Al Gore event.


The problem, as Trump and his army of lawyers are discovering, there a rather large difference between “potential” and actual. It’s all just so much hot air, bluster and BS.

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Honestly as an independent Trump Republican or and independent Republican... I have learned long ago not to waste too much time with those who may have closed minds.


That sounds a lot like “l’ve got nothing”. Thanks for playing.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:39 pm

On Fox News there's a headline blaring out "Huge Crowds of MAGA Fans Descend on Washington DC". The in the article they explain that hundreds of MAGA fans have assembled including a dozen Proud Boys. Hilarious.

Then on the BBC they add, "MAGA fans swarm Trump's motorcade as he makes his way to golf course". I guess his fans believe he's going to battle wealthy coastal elites in the bunkers lining the 14th fairway. Honestly, not even The Onion could think up shit like that.

72MM voted for a guy to drain the swamp and he going golfing on his OWN golf course while the nation gets crushed by the second wave. While the brights lights and warning bells of blatant hypocrisy thunder directly in their faces, the 72MM go slacked jawed, cross-eyed and drooling in total adoration of this depraved lunatic. I'm so stunned I can't even describe the mix of sadness and anger I feel seeing this crap.
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luckyone
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:44 pm

wingman wrote:
On Fox News there's a headline blaring out "Huge Crowds of MAGA Fans Descend on Washington DC". The in the article they explain that hundreds of MAGA fans have assembled including a dozen Proud Boys. Hilarious.

It’s the biggest MAGA rally ever in DC!...which may very well be true.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:47 pm

So much winning your head will spin.


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bennett123
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:57 pm

The man needs to get his exersize.
 
FGITD
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Re: Official Election thread

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:58 pm

wingman wrote:
On Fox News there's a headline blaring out "Huge Crowds of MAGA Fans Descend on Washington DC". The in the article they explain that hundreds of MAGA fans have assembled including a dozen Proud Boys. Hilarious.

Then on the BBC they add, "MAGA fans swarm Trump's motorcade as he makes his way to golf course". I guess his fans believe he's going to battle wealthy coastal elites in the bunkers lining the 14th fairway. Honestly, not even The Onion could think up shit like that.

72MM voted for a guy to drain the swamp and he going golfing on his OWN golf course while the nation gets crushed by the second wave. While the brights lights and warning bells of blatant hypocrisy thunder directly in their faces, the 72MM go slacked jawed, cross-eyed and drooling in total adoration of this depraved lunatic. I'm so stunned I can't even describe the mix of sadness and anger I feel seeing this crap.



It’s long going to remain one of the most baffling aspects of this entire experience. The people that have long feared the “coastal elites” and want a down home, good old boy type leader, fervently follow and vote for....a trust fund real estate developer from New York City. I’d be willing to put money on the fact that Trump likely didn’t even know states like Oklahoma and Nebraska existed until well into the 2000s. And he sure as hell never went there.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:44 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
2122M wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,



So please, what are you seeing that hasn’t been thrown out of court and/or throughly debunked already?




KlimaBXsst wrote:
Hanging CHAD Al Gore’s recount took 37 days.

I expect this to take even longer as from what I am seeing the potential deception is far more endemic and pervasive,

and an even GREATER THREAT TO DEMOCRACIES integrity than the Al Gore event.

So I suggest, just grab your popcorn and crisps, and watch the American process play out. Oh and ...stay Covid-19 six feet apart, as long as you have a mask, and are around no one group of 10, more than 15 minutes.

Happy Thanksgiving Airlines. The airlines and their EMPLOYEES really needed this

along with the corruptible Dominion voting machines with their vote counting tech some of which outsourced, and other counting potentially manipulated in the data centers. Remember this people like you remember the BOEING MAX, when your state or county purchases vote counting technology in the future.


Honestly as an independent Trump Republican or and independent Republican... I have learned long ago not to waste too much time with those who may have closed minds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=88jWxiC9orM


Your link purporting to make people open their minds is Sean Hannity talking to Kayleigh McEnany?? Sycophants like them are the LEAST open minded people in the land. Lying liars telling more lies for $$ is not going to make the tent bigger.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:04 am

meecrob wrote:
I think is that no matter what you believe, we are all humans, and its silly we are all fighting. Whatever is happening in the White House doesn't mean we can't get along. I'm sorry for being part of the divisiveness. I know you have your beliefs, and no matter what I say will change them, so I feel stupid for trying. Overall, you are just a guy, just like me. We are equal and I didn't treat you as an equal.


Oh yes, by all means can we all just get along now that Democrats finally might be getting their way? The most trusted name in news agrees with you btw...

https://youtu.be/A_DGhBZXNHA
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:41 am

afcjets wrote:
meecrob wrote:
I think is that no matter what you believe, we are all humans, and its silly we are all fighting. Whatever is happening in the White House doesn't mean we can't get along. I'm sorry for being part of the divisiveness. I know you have your beliefs, and no matter what I say will change them, so I feel stupid for trying. Overall, you are just a guy, just like me. We are equal and I didn't treat you as an equal.


Oh yes, by all means can we all just get along now that Democrats finally might be getting their way? The most trusted name in news agrees with you btw...

https://youtu.be/A_DGhBZXNHA

Put another way, there are some Trump voters who seem to think “It’s my turn to be incredibly ridiculous.” And they seem to forget how they responded to some Clinton voters demanding the very same action of the electoral college—I had to put one or two of them on a 30 day unfollow on Facebook it was just too stupid. Note: it was some Clinton voters, there was no consistent message from the candidate or her minions, which is different than the rhetoric we’re getting from some people involved in the Trump campaign.

The Trump campaign and these Trump Lives Matter protestors had no qualms with him being declared the winner by the big evil biased media before all votes were counted and certified. And it’s been comical to watch this play out.
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:46 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Maybe one should clarify,
will he run for a third term
as a Republican or
as a Trump Republican.


Some WROTE earlier - Nobody can run for a third term.

Duh! Obviously you did not catch my implications!

Trump for the next 4 years is a certainty. It will be a consecutive reelection of President. Or 4 years of election LAME DUCK Presidential hell for Biden until the next term of Trump.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:22 am

Just when you think the whole picture can't get more unreal, Trump comes along in his motorcade, drives through his protesters while waving at them behind 3 inches of bulletproof glass then drives on to play golf... to the cheers of the brainwashed hordes who drove hours to support his ludicrous attempt at destroying democracy.

This is TV evangelism fanatic frenzy on a much larger , dumber and scarier level.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:06 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Maybe one should clarify,
will he run for a third term
as a Republican or
as a Trump Republican.


Some WROTE earlier - Nobody can run for a third term.

Duh! Obviously you did not catch my implications!

Trump for the next 4 years is a certainty. It will be a consecutive reelection of President. Or 4 years of election LAME DUCK Presidential hell for Biden until the next term of Trump.


If you want people to take you seriously, please at least start making sense.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:13 am

moo wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Maybe one should clarify,
will he run for a third term
as a Republican or
as a Trump Republican.


Some WROTE earlier - Nobody can run for a third term.

Duh! Obviously you did not catch my implications!

Trump for the next 4 years is a certainty. It will be a consecutive reelection of President. Or 4 years of election LAME DUCK Presidential hell for Biden until the next term of Trump.


If you want people to take you seriously, please at least start making sense.


From the poor syntax and somewhat illegible nature of the posts I think that account is either a foreign troll or an AI of some sort... either way, no feeding.
 
sierrakilo44
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:39 am

Lilienthal wrote:
The "Pfizer product" is a vaccine developed by BioNtech, a German company. Pfizer bought into it and provided funding.

The Moderna vaccine won't be ready until next spring.

The Trump administration had nothing to do with it.


In a further repudiation to Trumpism, the company developing the vaccine was created by a Muslim Turkish couple who were the children of migrant workers to Germany. I’m pretty sure Trump has probably tweeted some hate comments about those migrants to Europe. About how they’re bringing crime and extremism and destroying “western culture” and all that nonsense.

I’ve definitely seen enough hate from right wing “Patriots” attacking any non European migration in Europe. Maybe those types should be consistent and refuse any vaccine. They’re probably anti vaxxers too so they’ll think the vaccine is a “Muslim Globalist UN” plot to destroy Western values or something.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:16 am

“This is your FINAL NOTICE. So far, you've ignored all our emails asking you to join us in DEFENDING THE ELECTION. You’ve ignored Team Trump, Eric, Lara, Don, the Vice-President AND you’ve even ignored the President of the United States.

"TENS OF THOUSANDS of Patriots have stepped up for the VERY FIRST TIME in the last 48 hours - why haven’t you?”



https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-amer ... 56erj.html

Good grief. If Trump and his cronies are so great, surely his supporters would be more than willing to donate plenty of money to the cause. I mean, isn't that what the struggling battlers he is fighting for are going to do, go without essentials to fund Trump and his lot to live the good life, play golf, etc.

It's hard not to see the irony, Trump and his cronies live the rich, good life while the struggling folks he claims to represent are supposed to support him financially. That is disgusting, repulsive. He is taking advantage of them and probably next year he won't care one bit for them, they'll be discarded when he moves to his next dodgy scheme.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:31 am

cpd wrote:
It's hard not to see the irony, Trump and his cronies live the rich, good life while the struggling folks he claims to represent are supposed to support him financially. That is disgusting, repulsive. He is taking advantage of them and probably next year he won't care one bit for them, they'll be discarded when he moves to his next dodgy scheme.


Well, Trump says he does not like so called 'losers'. I would think that he therefore does not like his bottom end of society supporters (but does like the fact that they can easily be motivated to vote for him).
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:35 pm

Francoflier wrote:
moo wrote:
If you want people to take you seriously, please at least start making sense.

From the poor syntax and somewhat illegible nature of the posts I think that account is either a foreign troll or an AI of some sort... either way, no feeding.

Not true. Just remember; KlimaBXsst has a genuine interest in aviation matters (seriously!), and was the guy who brought you this;

Image

https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight ... on-system/

Check out the Presidential seal on the back wall. Laugh? I nearly ruptured myself. :rotfl:
It's a double-headed eagle, in the Russian style, capable of lying in two directions at the same time.
In the right claw it is grasping a wad of greenbacks, and in the left claw, a nice selection of golf clubs.
And the motto E pluribus unum had been replaced by the phrase 45 es un títere, Spanish for "45 is a puppet".

The thread is from the quiet backwaters that are the military forum,
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1451537
(I did post a reply in that thread, explaining the origins of the image (which is a great story in itself), but my post seems to have been deleted) :scratchchin:

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