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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:40 pm

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Meanwhile, if you wondered what Trump was actually doing to run the country in the post-election phase...

As America hits a record high for daily new cases, the G20 summit holds a global pandemic preparedness event. Trump decides to skip it... to play golf. :banghead:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -golf-club
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That's probably for the best anyway.
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:42 pm

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It's been a couple weeks since Biden was declared winner and a house in my neighborhood still has their Trump banners and signs up.


Same here but not in my neighborhood. Some of them are businesses. This is actually good because now I know where NOT to shop.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:14 pm

mdsh00 wrote:
af773atmsp wrote:
It's been a couple weeks since Biden was declared winner and a house in my neighborhood still has their Trump banners and signs up.


Same here but not in my neighborhood. Some of them are businesses. This is actually good because now I know where NOT to shop.


It is, at this point, really shocking listening to Trump's base talk about the current state of things whether in person or on some sort of social network.

They honestly believe, even as the comedy tour continues what with Giuliani and Sidney Powell and court loss after court loss, that this is all part of some master plan by Trump to somehow get the decision into the hands of the Supreme Court who will magically crown him winner.

Such is the consequence of isolating ones self in these comical echo chambers. How sad.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:40 pm

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By biblical, does she mean totally fabricated?

Indeed: Completely made up and without any proof whatsoever. Her statement was factually correct ;)
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:54 pm

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politi ... 388768002/

Michigan has certified its results. 3-0. One Republican member abstained. He didn't have the balls to do his job, and vote either way. Likely he knew he couldn't vote "No," without having to explain himself on the record, but he had already stepped in it by speaking publicly about matters that were outside of the scope of this specific board. So he chickened out.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:02 pm

luckyone wrote:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/23/did-michigan-certify-election-results-board-canvassers/6388768002/

Michigan has certified its results. 3-0. One Republican member abstained. He didn't have the balls to do his job, and vote either way. Likely he knew he couldn't vote "No," without having to explain himself on the record, but he had already stepped in it by speaking publicly about matters that were outside of the scope of this specific board. So he chickened out.



Woo hoo, another step to get rid of this totalitarian wannabe dictator.
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:06 pm

casinterest wrote:
luckyone wrote:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/23/did-michigan-certify-election-results-board-canvassers/6388768002/

Michigan has certified its results. 3-0. One Republican member abstained. He didn't have the balls to do his job, and vote either way. Likely he knew he couldn't vote "No," without having to explain himself on the record, but he had already stepped in it by speaking publicly about matters that were outside of the scope of this specific board. So he chickened out.



Woo hoo, another step to get rid of this totalitarian wannabe dictator.

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a wannabe dictator. He's a boss with a tender ego who's used to paying to get his way. He's the type of person who should never run for election, because eventually every politician loses.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:08 pm

luckyone wrote:
casinterest wrote:
luckyone wrote:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/23/did-michigan-certify-election-results-board-canvassers/6388768002/

Michigan has certified its results. 3-0. One Republican member abstained. He didn't have the balls to do his job, and vote either way. Likely he knew he couldn't vote "No," without having to explain himself on the record, but he had already stepped in it by speaking publicly about matters that were outside of the scope of this specific board. So he chickened out.



Woo hoo, another step to get rid of this totalitarian wannabe dictator.

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a wannabe dictator. He's a boss with a tender ego who's used to paying to get his way. He's the type of person who should never run for election, because eventually every politician loses.



Nah, he pandered to loyalty, and gave favors for loyalty, He ignored the opposition.
that is a dictatorship
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:10 pm

luckyone wrote:

Michigan has certified its results. 3-0. One Republican member abstained. He didn't have the balls to do his job, and vote either way. Likely he knew he couldn't vote "No," without having to explain himself on the record, but he had already stepped in it by speaking publicly about matters that were outside of the scope of this specific board. So he chickened out.


Absolutely pathetic, gutless, and spineless individual. I can understand abstaining in certain votes where you might not agree with either side. But this is saying that you don't agree with the will of the people, and therefore refuse to acknowledge them. Proof that a certain party only actually believes in democracy when they win.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:21 pm

The General Services Administration has informed President-Elect Biden that his transition may begin by way of accessing Federal transition funding.

Source
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 pm

winginit wrote:
The General Services Administration has informed President-Elect Biden that his transition may begin by way of accessing Federal transition funding.

Source

Congress was demanding a report from Ms. Murphy today, she offered next week. They said no, and gave her an open schedule for tomorrow. It's amazing what happens when amateurs are held accountable for their actions.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:07 am

And yet the Impeached Malignant Narcissist in the oval office still will not call Joe Biden to congratulate him and concede the race.
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:24 am

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And yet the Impeached Malignant Narcissist in the oval office still will not call Joe Biden to congratulate him and concede the race.

We all knew that was never going to happen. The Don is going to skulk away to Mar-a-Lago and lick his tender wounded ego until he can launch his media endeavor, and prattle incessantly to anyone who’ll listen about how he was robbed. This assumes he doesn’t have to sell Mar-a-Lago to remain solvent, which I readily acknowledge is a purely speculative question.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:05 am

winginit wrote:
The General Services Administration has informed President-Elect Biden that his transition may begin by way of accessing Federal transition funding.

Source


This is Trump conceding.

Very good news, even if it would be better if he actually made a concession speech and stopped talking about fraud that he has no proof of.
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:47 am

luckyone wrote:
winginit wrote:
The General Services Administration has informed President-Elect Biden that his transition may begin by way of accessing Federal transition funding.

Source

Congress was demanding a report from Ms. Murphy today, she offered next week. They said no, and gave her an open schedule for tomorrow. It's amazing what happens when amateurs are held accountable for their actions.


They probably made it clear via back channels that she would have hell to pay after the inauguration. While Trump can (for now) try to shield himself with so-called (and not court-tested) presidential immunity, she has no such defense.
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:02 am

N328KF wrote:
luckyone wrote:
winginit wrote:
The General Services Administration has informed President-Elect Biden that his transition may begin by way of accessing Federal transition funding.

Source

Congress was demanding a report from Ms. Murphy today, she offered next week. They said no, and gave her an open schedule for tomorrow. It's amazing what happens when amateurs are held accountable for their actions.


They probably made it clear via back channels that she would have hell to pay after the inauguration. While Trump can (for now) try to shield himself with so-called (and not court-tested) presidential immunity, she has no such defense.

Maybe, though they already could do that now. Likely they advised her if she wanted to keep a job within the GSA or similar she would act like an actual civil servant and do her job. She’s unlikely to remain head of GSA and she knows that.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:19 am

winginit wrote:
mdsh00 wrote:
af773atmsp wrote:
It's been a couple weeks since Biden was declared winner and a house in my neighborhood still has their Trump banners and signs up.


Same here but not in my neighborhood. Some of them are businesses. This is actually good because now I know where NOT to shop.


It is, at this point, really shocking listening to Trump's base talk about the current state of things whether in person or on some sort of social network.

They honestly believe, even as the comedy tour continues what with Giuliani and Sidney Powell and court loss after court loss, that this is all part of some master plan by Trump to somehow get the decision into the hands of the Supreme Court who will magically crown him winner.

Such is the consequence of isolating ones self in these comical echo chambers. How sad.



So, these Trump fanatics who claim to be American patriots are in fact supporting an attempted coup? And they think the left is anti-American.........
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:16 am

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And they think...


That's the real question. I'm pretty sure they don't.
 
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Re: Official Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:05 am

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So, these Trump fanatics who claim to be American patriots are in fact supporting an attempted coup? And they think the left is anti-American.........


No, not at all, they are defending freedom and stopping Biden from stealing the election:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... b843cde571

Straight from the lies and statistics department. :banghead:

The convoluted system you have for elections is just perfect for these sorts of stories to be made up.
 
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Re: Official US Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:56 pm

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Pennsylvania has certified it's election results.

Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf just announced that the Keystone state has certified its 2020 general election results.

In a twitter post Tuesday morning, Wolf confirmed he'd signed the certificate for Ascertainment that formally acknowledges the state's recognition of Biden winning the election.




Meanwhile Trump continues to tell Alternative Facts to his cult in order to fund his Private PAC

President Trump's campaign is funneling an increasingly large share of its "Election Defense Fund" fundraising to Trump's political action committee, as his opportunities to legally challenge the election results fade.

Even as fundraising emails tell supporters their donations will help "protect the integrity of the election," 75% of donations to the fund are now deposited into the coffers of Trump's fledgling leadership PAC, Save America.

That's up from the 60% share the PAC was receiving last week.
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Re: Official US Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:09 pm

casinterest wrote:
Meanwhile Trump continues to tell Alternative Facts to his cult in order to fund his Private PAC

President Trump's campaign is funneling an increasingly large share of its "Election Defense Fund" fundraising to Trump's political action committee, as his opportunities to legally challenge the election results fade.

Even as fundraising emails tell supporters their donations will help "protect the integrity of the election," 75% of donations to the fund are now deposited into the coffers of Trump's fledgling leadership PAC, Save America.

That's up from the 60% share the PAC was receiving last week.


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Re: Official US Election thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:41 pm

scbriml wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Meanwhile Trump continues to tell Alternative Facts to his cult in order to fund his Private PAC

President Trump's campaign is funneling an increasingly large share of its "Election Defense Fund" fundraising to Trump's political action committee, as his opportunities to legally challenge the election results fade.

Even as fundraising emails tell supporters their donations will help "protect the integrity of the election," 75% of donations to the fund are now deposited into the coffers of Trump's fledgling leadership PAC, Save America.

That's up from the 60% share the PAC was receiving last week.


Once a grifter...


This is why I never donate to politicians.
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Re: Official US Election thread

Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:58 am

Inching toward exit, Trump says he'll leave if Biden wins Electoral College vote (Source: Reuters)

Since the lawsuit avenue isn't working out for Trump, it's the final opportunity for Trump to drive fraud into the Electoral College by "influencing" the electors to vote for him.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:41 pm

The grift that (unintentionally) keeps on giving;
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -furniture

On a par with ranting Rudi.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:26 pm

Trump loses again in Pennsylvania:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/trump-l ... -case.html

A federal appeals court on Friday rejected an attempt by President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign to keep alive its effort to undo the result of Pennsylvania’s presidential election.

The blistering opinion from a panel of judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, all three of whom were nominated by Republican presidents, said that the Trump campaign’s “claims have no merit.”


Just further affirmation that Trump and his lawyers are dishonorable lying crooks. For those that still believe Trump is not lying. If your bank account is not empty, you can send more money to fund his next set of losing lawyers.

But the appeals court noted in its 21-page opinion that when standing before Brann in a courtroom, Giuliani said that the campaign “doesn’t plead fraud” in the case.

“Calling an election unfair does not make it so,” the 3rd Circuit’s opinion read. “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”


No Fraud charges in Court? How could that be Trump Faithful?
Another Trump campaign lawyer, Jenna Ellis, later Friday tweeted a joint statement with Giuliani claiming, “The activist judicial machinery in Pennsylvania continues to cover up the allegations of massive fraud.”



Is Trump failing to tell his own lawyers that they need to actually charge fraud when they go into a courtroom and present proof?
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:43 pm

casinterest wrote:
Trump loses again in Pennsylvania:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/trump-l ... -case.html

A federal appeals court on Friday rejected an attempt by President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign to keep alive its effort to undo the result of Pennsylvania’s presidential election.

The blistering opinion from a panel of judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, all three of whom were nominated by Republican presidents, said that the Trump campaign’s “claims have no merit.”


Just further affirmation that Trump and his lawyers are dishonorable lying crooks. For those that still believe Trump is not lying. If your bank account is not empty, you can send more money to fund his next set of losing lawyers.

But the appeals court noted in its 21-page opinion that when standing before Brann in a courtroom, Giuliani said that the campaign “doesn’t plead fraud” in the case.

“Calling an election unfair does not make it so,” the 3rd Circuit’s opinion read. “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”


No Fraud charges in Court? How could that be Trump Faithful?
Another Trump campaign lawyer, Jenna Ellis, later Friday tweeted a joint statement with Giuliani claiming, “The activist judicial machinery in Pennsylvania continues to cover up the allegations of massive fraud.”



Is Trump failing to tell his own lawyers that they need to actually charge fraud when they go into a courtroom and present proof?

Unless they provide proof, attorneys could be disbarred if they argue something without substantiating it, and they know this. The Trump campaign is (correctly) assuming that the people who will open their wallets don't bother reading anything that isn't approved by the President, much less the actual court rulings. It's worth noting that the "activist" judge who authored the opinion was appointed by President Trump. The other two, concurring judges, were appointed by Dubya. When facts fail, resort to rhetoric. Not doing much to dispel the notion that Trump supporters aren't always the brightest.
 
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Re: Official US Election thread

Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:08 am

luckyone wrote:
Not doing much to dispel the notion that Trump supporters aren't always the brightest.


Donald Trump is a genius, that's what the J stands for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVtrHHmMPs
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Re: Official US Election thread

Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:24 am

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Donald Trump is a genius, that's what the J stands for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVtrHHmMPs


FPMSL - you can't make this stuff up.
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:20 am

luckyone wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Trump loses again in Pennsylvania:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/trump-l ... -case.html

A federal appeals court on Friday rejected an attempt by President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign to keep alive its effort to undo the result of Pennsylvania’s presidential election.

The blistering opinion from a panel of judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, all three of whom were nominated by Republican presidents, said that the Trump campaign’s “claims have no merit.”


Just further affirmation that Trump and his lawyers are dishonorable lying crooks. For those that still believe Trump is not lying. If your bank account is not empty, you can send more money to fund his next set of losing lawyers.

But the appeals court noted in its 21-page opinion that when standing before Brann in a courtroom, Giuliani said that the campaign “doesn’t plead fraud” in the case.

“Calling an election unfair does not make it so,” the 3rd Circuit’s opinion read. “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”


No Fraud charges in Court? How could that be Trump Faithful?
Another Trump campaign lawyer, Jenna Ellis, later Friday tweeted a joint statement with Giuliani claiming, “The activist judicial machinery in Pennsylvania continues to cover up the allegations of massive fraud.”



Is Trump failing to tell his own lawyers that they need to actually charge fraud when they go into a courtroom and present proof?

Unless they provide proof, attorneys could be disbarred if they argue something without substantiating it, and they know this. The Trump campaign is (correctly) assuming that the people who will open their wallets don't bother reading anything that isn't approved by the President, much less the actual court rulings. It's worth noting that the "activist" judge who authored the opinion was appointed by President Trump. The other two, concurring judges, were appointed by Dubya. When facts fail, resort to rhetoric. Not doing much to dispel the notion that Trump supporters aren't always the brightest.


His mob are indeed sending out begging letters to supporters.
Hang on! Wasn't one of the things his supporters, unable as they seem to tell a stupid 'reality TV' show with real life, said was in his favour was that as a billionaire he knew how to 'fix' America?
So why does he need their money?
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:30 am

Why spend his money if he can spend yours.
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:05 am

Well this didn't go well plus it cost the Trump campaign $3;
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ed-recount
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:33 pm

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Well this didn't go well plus it cost the Trump campaign $3;
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ed-recount


3 million dollars to give Biden a few more votes?

Trump really does get the best deals.
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:44 pm

Francoflier wrote:
GDB wrote:
Well this didn't go well plus it cost the Trump campaign $3;
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ed-recount


3 million dollars to give Biden a few more votes?

Trump really does get the best deals.


It’s simply fake news and the Trump supporters will probably just say that the judges are in on the whole conspiracy. I don’t know. It’s just getting stupid.

Enough already, just vacate and transfer power over.

Trump, Giuliani and others are making themselves look stupid now with their far fetched conspiracies.
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:34 pm

cpd wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
GDB wrote:
Well this didn't go well plus it cost the Trump campaign $3;
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ed-recount


3 million dollars to give Biden a few more votes?

Trump really does get the best deals.


It’s simply fake news and the Trump supporters will probably just say that the judges are in on the whole conspiracy. I don’t know. It’s just getting stupid.

Enough already, just vacate and transfer power over.

Trump, Giuliani and others are making themselves look stupid now with their far fetched conspiracies.


That 10's of millions of US citizens believe, certainly it seems a majority of GOP voters.
Some of this is likely to be just anger that their dream President, as racist as many of them, lost.

Another factor explains, maybe for the first time, to foreigners including from allied nations generally well disposed to rational US Presidents, the long running mystery of generations of obviously fraudulent 'evangelists', who grift so much, from so many, they build empires of mega churches, biz jets, luxury cribs, even after many of them are caught out often doing the many things they moralize against, sometimes more than once, yet on they go.
You need a base of many millions to do any of that.

Then you think of Joseph Smith's obvious scam, still built a new 'version' of the Christian faith, which still very much exists today.
L Ron Hubbard took it if anything a stage further, he did not merely modify a 1000's of years old faith, that only exists due to it's long influence both positive and negative, this scammer made up a whole new one! In the post enlightenment world!

Maybe something like Trump was an inevitable end to this, in raw political terms, this most personally immoral (financially, sexually) of candidates, as well as being the dimmest, got to the White House with a lot of help from the evangelicals.
The most easy bunch to grift too, with the GOP getting more extreme over the last few decades, Trump didn't even have to form his own party, which has no doubt ended many nutjobs/grifters over the years, before they got anywhere.
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:54 am

This may be a bit off topic, but I've noticed that Florida is one of the fastest growing states in the entire country. Are most of the people moving there republican leaning?

Most states with high population and job growth seemed to be pulled leftward (Ex. AZ, TX, GA). We even saw migration and a booming economy turn Virginia into a solidly blue state.
But the population boom in FL has pulled it in the opposite direction as seen by the results of this election.
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:39 am

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This may be a bit off topic, but I've noticed that Florida is one of the fastest growing states in the entire country. Are most of the people moving there republican leaning?

Most states with high population and job growth seemed to be pulled leftward (Ex. AZ, TX, GA). We even saw migration and a booming economy turn Virginia into a solidly blue state.
But the population boom in FL has pulled it in the opposite direction as seen by the results of this election.

Though growing, Florida still has some unique demographic points. It has a very large population of retirees and elderly. It also has a large Cuban population which has leaned Republican for historical reasons that are rooted in Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:05 am

luckyone wrote:
acavpics wrote:
This may be a bit off topic, but I've noticed that Florida is one of the fastest growing states in the entire country. Are most of the people moving there republican leaning?

Most states with high population and job growth seemed to be pulled leftward (Ex. AZ, TX, GA). We even saw migration and a booming economy turn Virginia into a solidly blue state.
But the population boom in FL has pulled it in the opposite direction as seen by the results of this election.

Though growing, Florida still has some unique demographic points. It has a very large population of retirees and elderly. It also has a large Cuban population which has leaned Republican for historical reasons that are rooted in Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.


I guess this means that Democrats will have to work extra extra hard in 2022 if they want a chance of unseating DeSantis, Rubio, and regaining the two house seats near Miami that they lost this year.

2018 should have been a signal to FL Dems that their strategy for the state had serious flaws, given that they not only lost the gubernatorial race but that Rick Scott (R) was able to unseat incumbent senator Bill Nelson (D) after almost all polls showed Nelson leading.
 
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Re: Official US Election thread

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:24 am

Trump supporter who gave $2.5m to fight election fraud wants money back

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... money-back

Kind of stupid to donate that much money in the first place.
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:10 am

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It also has a large Cuban population which has leaned Republican for historical reasons that are rooted in Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.


All Trump had to do was cry “Venezuela” and “Socialism” and “Democrats” in the same sentence and the Cubans lapped it up like water.

I bet they still love their Social Security and Medicare though....
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:43 am

If he had $2.5M spare, perhaps he should have invested a few $ in finding out what evidence existed.
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:13 am

bgm wrote:
Trump supporter who gave $2.5m to fight election fraud wants money back

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... money-back

Kind of stupid to donate that much money in the first place.


What's that old expression about a fool and his money? :rotfl:
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcev ... 21d79e5c01

Apparently the FBI and DOJ were plotting against him.

Given that he appointed the head of the FBI and Attorney General it does seem just a little odd.

Who will he accuse next, Melana?.
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:00 pm

The extreme right media is already starting their campaign to get Trump (or his successor) re-elected:

https://twitter.com/JohnRHewson/status/ ... 5529292800

I see Miranda Devine tagging Biden as “ Extreme Progressive” and beginning to undermine his Presidency before it begins. Is this the new Murdoch position and strategy?


John Hewson is a former conservative party politician. Biden seems fairly centre right-wing to me. But I guess I've not been indoctrinated like some of these loopy conspiracy theory nutters like Miranda Devine.
 
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sierrakilo44 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
It also has a large Cuban population which has leaned Republican for historical reasons that are rooted in Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.


All Trump had to do was cry “Venezuela” and “Socialism” and “Democrats” in the same sentence and the Cubans lapped it up like water.

I bet they still love their Social Security and Medicare though....


I think part of the Florida Cuban move to the Republicans began when Obama started to allow more and easier flights to Cuba. This crossed a line that had held for many administrations and was seen by many older generation Cubans in the US as the beginning of the end to embargoes and the start of other closer relationships between the US and Cuba. Thump almost immediately put an end to that. It will be interesting to see how Biden handles this.
 
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airtechy wrote:
sierrakilo44 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
It also has a large Cuban population which has leaned Republican for historical reasons that are rooted in Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.


All Trump had to do was cry “Venezuela” and “Socialism” and “Democrats” in the same sentence and the Cubans lapped it up like water.

I bet they still love their Social Security and Medicare though....


I think part of the Florida Cuban move to the Republicans began when Obama started to allow more and easier flights to Cuba. This crossed a line that had held for many administrations and was seen by many older generation Cubans in the US as the beginning of the end to embargoes and the start of other closer relationships between the US and Cuba. Thump almost immediately put an end to that. It will be interesting to see how Biden handles this.


He could send hundreds of cruise missiles towards Cuba, it would be a massive vote-winner by the sounds of it.
 
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cpd wrote:
airtechy wrote:
sierrakilo44 wrote:

All Trump had to do was cry “Venezuela” and “Socialism” and “Democrats” in the same sentence and the Cubans lapped it up like water.

I bet they still love their Social Security and Medicare though....


I think part of the Florida Cuban move to the Republicans began when Obama started to allow more and easier flights to Cuba. This crossed a line that had held for many administrations and was seen by many older generation Cubans in the US as the beginning of the end to embargoes and the start of other closer relationships between the US and Cuba. Thump almost immediately put an end to that. It will be interesting to see how Biden handles this.


He could send hundreds of cruise missiles towards Cuba, it would be a massive vote-winner by the sounds of it.


Yes it would be .. for a small part of Florida voters. Or maybe not when they took out some of their family members still there. I do like the idea of expanding the ties to Cuba myself and think Obama was right in doing so. I do hope that this election setback in Florida and Texas will cause Democrats to see that they cannot treat all Spanish speaking people as the same and with the same needs and concerns. Banning their use of the word 'Latino' would probably help.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:13 am

airtechy wrote:
Yes it would be .. for a small part of Florida voters. Or maybe not when they took out some of their family members still there. I do like the idea of expanding the ties to Cuba myself and think Obama was right in doing so. I do hope that this election setback in Florida and Texas will cause Democrats to see that they cannot treat all Spanish speaking people as the same and with the same needs and concerns. Banning their use of the word 'Latino' would probably help.


But I thought the Democrats specifically recognised that a Cuban immigrant in Florida likely had a far different perepective to "Latino" people in the SW?
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:36 am

I guess we will have to wait for more detailed analysis on how the Florida Spanish speaking population voted, but for now at least it seems the Democrats share of the Cuban voters tanked from the share Clinton received.
 
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Kent350787 wrote:
But I thought the Democrats specifically recognised that a Cuban immigrant in Florida likely had a far different perepective to "Latino" people in the SW?


Apparently not,

Although it seems Latino turnout in Arizona was a big factor in Biden winning that state.

Along with a very high turnout from the Navajo nation.
 
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What most Cuban-Americans seem to not understand then is that a confrontational stance with the Cuban regime will only make it worse for Cuba and its people and strengthen the regime.
The road towards a more democratic and fair system that is more respectful of its citizens is long and slow, and it starts with a diplomatic and negotiated approach.
It involves opening up the country and stimulating its economy.

That's a thing the Obama administration did right.

Ditto with Iran, for that matter.
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