Depending on the outcome of the election, will President Trump have his B757 readied for his use after January? Where is it presently? Or perhaps he might want to upgrade to a B787 for his extensive personal and business travels? Comments might be interesting hopefully not political.

You really think the dude can afford a 787? He aint doin THAT good.

The 757 has been used by family members and associates. It wasn’t put into storage. It’s always kept ready to go.

The TRUMP 757 is frequently seen at PBI in West Palm Beach.

Only a question. Are you aware of his personal finances or cash flow? Or ability to finance an aircraft for many years?

Been some speculation that the plane and a bunch of other personal assets are guaranteeing the loans that are reportedly due in 2021.

Particularly if Biden introduces a lockdown, Trump might be in real trouble.

N197 wrote:

Only a question. Are you aware of his personal finances or cash flow? Or ability to finance an aircraft for many years?

I think the answer to your question is outside of the scope of this forum (and this site - unless you count Non-Aviation.) But the NYT report would seem to make this a question for about two years from now.

regardless, after the election, on January 20, if it goes against Trump, the 742 should be used as in other transitions, it doesn't automatically go to private transport on day 1. usually SAM 2800 or something will be used, probably Andrews down to PBI.

He may not be able to afford to keep the 757 with hundreds of millions of dollars in loans coming due after he leaves office.

That has always been "tradition" for many years. The Presidential aircraft delivers the President to his "home" location. Before that, I believe the President used his own resources to get home. Didn't Harry Truman and Bess drive their Chrysler back to MO? I believe I remember reading that.

CALMSP wrote:

regardless, after the election, on January 20, if it goes against Trump, the 742 should be used as in other transitions, it doesn't automatically go to private transport on day 1. usually SAM 2800 or something will be used, probably Andrews down to PBI.

Unless he wants to go on his 757 instead.

Just trying to keep this post non-political. Just wondering about the beutiful B757 or it's successor. I was a frequent "Trump Shuttle" customer in the 80's/90's LGA to BOS. Very "classy" operation before USAir took it over. Nice lounges, financial newspapers, couteous attendants. But that is the past!

He has said multiple times he absolutely loves the 757 and the RR engines. There's a reason he used the C-32 so many times. 757AF ain't going anywhere.

N197 wrote:

That has always been "tradition" for many years. The Presidential aircraft delivers the President to his "home" location. Before that, I believe the President used his own resources to get home. Didn't Harry Truman and Bess drive their Chrysler back to MO? I believe I remember reading that.

Harry Truman took the train home after he left the presidency.

I saw the C-32 many times on the campaign trail fairly close to Washington, in Pennsylvania and other close stops. Is it equipped with the proper Presidential equipment? Must be, but the 742 has all the command post equipment installed. Pilots must be ready for a Holiday after the last few weeks!

Anyway, B757 is a sunset aircraft (sunsetting many years from now). But a B787 would be appropriate for a person with resourses who travels worldwide. It has factory and depot support worldwide.

jreeves96 wrote:

He has said multiple times he absolutely loves the 757 and the RR engines. There's a reason he used the C-32 so many times. 757AF ain't going anywhere.

The C-32s have P&W engines. I'd be surprised if they bought one with RR engines. His personal 757 has RR engines. Anyway, responses to the original question seem to be mixing his personal 757 and AF1 aircraft.

There is a zero percent chance this thread doesn't turn political and stay political, so it's being moved to Non Av. It isn't really all that related to Civ Av anyway.

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N197 wrote:

That has always been "tradition" for many years. The Presidential aircraft delivers the President to his "home" location. Before that, I believe the President used his own resources to get home. Didn't Harry Truman and Bess drive their Chrysler back to MO? I believe I remember reading that.

They took a train to Independence MO after leaving the White House, then bought the Chrysler a year later, drove to DC, New York and back home.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-you-know-leaving-the-white-house/

Plenty of aircraft available if he wants to go bigly. Lots of younger 757s available plus plenty of 767s and 330s that just need that VIP interior treatment which will be in the 10s of millions but at least you can get the bird for pennies over scrap price.

Greetings Folks,
Re the comment about the don's 757, should there be a need to update he can have a chat to the Mexican Government re their "surplus" 787!
After all he is known for his deal making expertise.?.
Regards 325i.

Last photo of the B757 in the A.Net database is Jul 20, 2020

Re: finances - Donald Trump has shown an incredible ability to survive major financial reversals and come out on top. I would not bet against him.

And I don't like him.

Trump would have ordered the 757-300 if it had enough range for transatlantic flights. Even the Rolls Royce-powered 757-300 cannot cross the Atlantic without making a fuel stop.

rfields5421 wrote:

Last photo of the B757 in the A.Net database is Jul 20, 2020

Re: finances - Donald Trump has shown an incredible ability to survive major financial reversals and come out on top. I would not bet against him.

And I don't like him.

That is a darn good looking paint job. Fortunately we have airliners.net that shows an unbiased love of aviation photography.

blacksoviet wrote:

Trump would have ordered the 757-300 if it had enough range for transatlantic flights. Even the Rolls Royce-powered 757-300 cannot cross the Atlantic without making a fuel stop.

This makes no sense. Trump took this aircraft secondhand about six years after the 757 production ended. It replaced his 727, which was secondhand as well. He would have had no way of ordering the 753, nor would there be any practical reason to do so.

What is the range on the B757-2J4 lightly loaded?

This aircraft surely isn't often flown anywhere near MTOW.

N197 wrote:

Anyway, B757 is a sunset aircraft (sunsetting many years from now). But a B787 would be appropriate for a person with resourses who travels worldwide. It has factory and depot support worldwide.

The question is rather how long he can afford to fly his 757 after he can't skim the taxpayer anymore, his now worthless brand and torrent of legal cost coming his way.

Best regards
Thomas

atcsundevil wrote:

blacksoviet wrote:

Trump would have ordered the 757-300 if it had enough range for transatlantic flights. Even the Rolls Royce-powered 757-300 cannot cross the Atlantic without making a fuel stop.

This makes no sense. Trump took this aircraft secondhand about six years after the 757 production ended. It replaced his 727, which was secondhand as well. He would have had no way of ordering the 753, nor would there be any practical reason to do so.

Trump put his 727-100 up for sale in the Summer of 2009. You are correct. I think Boeing destroyed the 757-300 tooling before that date. Unfortunately the 727-100 was scrapped at Mirabel International in 2017.

blacksoviet wrote:

Trump would have ordered the 757-300 if it had enough range for transatlantic flights. Even the Rolls Royce-powered 757-300 cannot cross the Atlantic without making a fuel stop.

The range of the 757 is (just) enough for transatlantic. For instance, Delta and NWA have taken theirs to AMS a few times.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-A ... 51/1926509

Regarding his previous comebacks from the brink financially, do we know for sure they happened ? For all we know Trump has been living on debt for decades. I'm not saying he isn't making money, but not enough to cover his debts. That's what his taxes suggest anyway.

N757AF had belly auxiliary fuel tanks in its as-delivered configuration from Associated Air Center. The aircraft mission design point was to fly nonstop PSA - KBFI with typical executive load + 7,000 lbs. of art work.

N197 wrote:

Only a question. Are you aware of his personal finances or cash flow? Or ability to finance an aircraft for many years?

Yes, thanks to the NYT.

N197 wrote:

That has always been "tradition" for many years. The Presidential aircraft delivers the President to his "home" location.

Trump loves breaking with tradition - like conceding defeat graciously.

325i wrote:

Greetings Folks,
Re the comment about the don's 757, should there be a need to update he can have a chat to the Mexican Government re their "surplus" 787!
After all he is known for his deal making expertise.?.
Regards 325i.

Well, he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, so maybe they'll just give it to him?

petertenthije wrote:

blacksoviet wrote:

Trump would have ordered the 757-300 if it had enough range for transatlantic flights. Even the Rolls Royce-powered 757-300 cannot cross the Atlantic without making a fuel stop.

The range of the 757 is (just) enough for transatlantic. For instance, Delta and NWA have taken theirs to AMS a few times.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-A ... 51/1926509

He was referring to the -300, which has about 500nmi less range than the -200, and is generally not capable of TATL. The 752 is more than capable.

atcsundevil wrote:

petertenthije wrote:

blacksoviet wrote:

Trump would have ordered the 757-300 if it had enough range for transatlantic flights. Even the Rolls Royce-powered 757-300 cannot cross the Atlantic without making a fuel stop.

The range of the 757 is (just) enough for transatlantic. For instance, Delta and NWA have taken theirs to AMS a few times.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-A ... 51/1926509

He was referring to the -300, which has about 500nmi less range than the -200, and is generally not capable of TATL. The 752 is more than capable.

As ever, there's a degree of truth in all your comments.

Yes, the -300 has less range than the -200, but still enough for JFK-LHR. And that's with a full airline load of 243 passengers. So unless Melania is a modern day Imelda Marcos and takes her shoe collection with everywhere she goes, even a 753 will cross the Atlantic fairly easily with an ex-President and a small posse. (I said posse - wash your ears out!).

On the other hand, it would probably struggle to reach Moscow without a fuel stop, so there's that to consider....

atcsundevil wrote:

petertenthije wrote:

blacksoviet wrote:

Trump would have ordered the 757-300 if it had enough range for transatlantic flights. Even the Rolls Royce-powered 757-300 cannot cross the Atlantic without making a fuel stop.

The range of the 757 is (just) enough for transatlantic. For instance, Delta and NWA have taken theirs to AMS a few times.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-A ... 51/1926509

He was referring to the -300, which has about 500nmi less range than the -200, and is generally not capable of TATL. The 752 is more than capable.

I was also referring to the -300. Both Delta and before that NWA have taken the -300 to AMS.

N197 wrote:

That has always been "tradition" for many years. The Presidential aircraft delivers the President to his "home" location. Before that, I believe the President used his own resources to get home. Didn't Harry Truman and Bess drive their Chrysler back to MO? I believe I remember reading that.

When they flew Nixon home to California after his resignation it was Air Force One up until somewhere over Iowa and the point when Gerald Ford was sworn in, then the pilot told ATC to change their call sign to SAM 27000.




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petertenthije wrote:

I was also referring to the -300. Both Delta and before that NWA have taken the -300 to AMS.

Yes. As I said, it's generally not capable of TATL, which is why it generally has not been used as such. I realize they have, but it cannot be used year round, and it's certainly at the edge of its capabilities.

SheikhDjibouti wrote:

Yes, the -300 has less range than the -200, but still enough for JFK-LHR. And that's with a full airline load of 243 passengers.

In December or January? Yes, it can certainly do JFK-LHR. LHR-JFK though? Not reliably, no.

SheikhDjibouti wrote:

So unless Melania is a modern day Imelda Marcos and takes her shoe collection with everywhere she goes

"I really don't care do u?"

It's sitting over by the FedEx ramp where it's been since they towed it away from the terminal at least a year ago.

There is a documentary on I think CNBC about Trump’s personal 757. I will try to find it on YouTube. He says that Rolls Royce engines on the 757 are superior. Is this true?

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:

The 757 has been used by family members and associates. It wasn’t put into storage. It’s always kept ready to go.

Are you sure you're talking about N757AF?
For an aircraft "always kept ready to go", it's going to be quite a big ask with one of it's engines removed.

Have another look at the photo provided by rfields; there's a big piece of RB211 missing from under the other wing.

jfk777 wrote:

The TRUMP 757 is frequently seen at PBI in West Palm Beach.

I guess you mean it was frequently seen, just like he was President...

Satellite images suggests it hasn't moved in the last 12 months, from over by the Fedex ramp (SWF)...

swf1126 wrote:

....where it's been since they towed it away from the terminal at least a year ago.

Of course if anybody has genuine up to date info telling us that mechanics have been swarming all over it preparing it for entry back into service, I'm all ears.

cschleic wrote:

jreeves96 wrote:

He has said multiple times he absolutely loves the 757 and the RR engines. There's a reason he used the C-32 so many times. 757AF ain't going anywhere.

The C-32s have P&W engines. I'd be surprised if they bought one with RR engines. His personal 757 has RR engines. Anyway, responses to the original question seem to be mixing his personal 757 and AF1 aircraft.

Oh, I know. I wasn't really comparing engines. More the two frames.

N197 wrote:

I saw the C-32 many times on the campaign trail fairly close to Washington, in Pennsylvania and other close stops. Is it equipped with the proper Presidential equipment? Must be, but the 742 has all the command post equipment installed. Pilots must be ready for a Holiday after the last few weeks!

The C-32 is regularly used as a Presidential transport, especially when the President might be flying to a location that cannot handle a 747 (suppose he needed to go to EGE or SBA). The USAF also maintains a fleet of smaller business jets (Gulfstreams and the like) that can be used if the President needed to fly into, say, ASE. Those aircraft might not have the full "flying White House" suite of equipment, but they presumably have adequate communication capacity and he would only be aboard for a brief time, anyway.

In addition, for some missions, military cargo aircraft can be used for executive transport. The famous "Texts from Hillary picture of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton using her Blackberry was taken aboard a C-17, onto which a SLIP (Senior Leader In-transit Pallet) was loaded. There is also a converted Airstream trailer called the Silver Bullet that is used as an executive transport capsule aboard military cargo aircraft (although the Primary is not permitted to sit in the Silver Bullet for takeoff and landing), and a SLICC (Senior Leader In-transit Comfort Capsule) which was to replace the Silver Bullet and be certified for all phases of flight. Typically, the President would not use these, but other senior Administration officials (SoS, SecDef, etc.) might.

For more information: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14718/mattis-used-the-usafs-flying-airstream-trailer-pod-silver-bullet-on-afghanistan-trip

DocLightning wrote:

N197 wrote:

I saw the C-32 many times...
Is it equipped with the proper Presidential equipment? ...

....
In addition, for some missions, military cargo aircraft can be used for executive transport. The famous "Texts from Hillary picture of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton using her Blackberry was taken aboard a C-17, onto which a SLIP (Senior Leader In-transit Pallet) was loaded. There is also a converted Airstream trailer called the Silver Bullet that is used as an executive transport capsule aboard military cargo aircraft (although the Primary is not permitted to sit in the Silver Bullet for takeoff and landing), and a SLICC (Senior Leader In-transit Comfort Capsule) which was to replace the Silver Bullet and be certified for all phases of flight. Typically, the President would not use these, but other senior Administration officials (SoS, SecDef, etc.) might.

For more information: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14718/mattis-used-the-usafs-flying-airstream-trailer-pod-silver-bullet-on-afghanistan-trip

Somewhat reminiscent of "Churchill's Egg"?

wikipedia wrote:

The Avro York was, like its Lancaster and Lincoln stablemates, a versatile aircraft. One of the prototypes, LV633, Ascalon, was custom-built as the personal transport and flying conference room for Prime Minister Winston Churchill. Ascalon was to be fitted with a special pressurised "egg" so that VIP passengers could be carried without their having to use an oxygen mask. Made of aluminium alloy, the enclosure had eight perspex windows to reduce claustrophobia. It also had a telephone, an instrument panel, drinking facilities and an ashtray with room for cigars, a thermos flask, newspapers and books. Testing at RAE Farnborough found the "egg" to work satisfactorily. {...it was never installed}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_York

I asked in the locked thread in MilAv if a president-elect would be allowed to fly from his home city in a civilian aircraft such as this posted there to his inauguration.....


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDmExdZVwAA3UTe.jpg

No doubt the Secret Service will have the final say on that...even as my post was removed and the thread closed.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ILG-ADW/BOF/DCA&DU=mi

Thank you all for the information, sorry it did get political which I had hoped it wouldn't. I hope President Trump enjoys his days away from the White House. Personally, I wish him well and hope he continues his interest in aviation.

Devilfish wrote:

I asked in the locked thread in MilAv if a president-elect would be allowed to fly from his home city in a civilian aircraft such as this posted there to his inauguration.....

No doubt the Secret Service will have the final say on that...even as my post was removed and the thread closed.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ILG-ADW/BOF/DCA&DU=mi

I could be wrong, but I don't remember past President elects being flown in USAF aircraft.

His 757 is regularly parked at LGA, I doubt that will change any time soon.

N197 wrote:

Only a question. Are you aware of his personal finances or cash flow? Or ability to finance an aircraft for many years?

Forbes Magazine took a deep dive into Trump's finances:

Donald Trump Has At Least $1 Billion In Debt, More Than Twice The Amount He Suggested
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexand ... d724164330

There's a pretty interesting YouTube clip that walks you through Trump's B757, not sure about the 100m price tag quoted....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2MOJ5pdrhU