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So far, which year is worst?

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:03 pm

This thread may not be relevant for many since they were not around, born or remember. I was a wee lad of 12 back in 1968. I remember there was almost a daily diet of bad news in that year of assassinations, riots, drugs and the escalation of an unpopular war that tarnished the USA. 1968 misfortune wasn't limited to the USA. And, we laughed at such trite corn pone as Rowan and Martins Laugh In. Flash forward to the year of Covid, Tick Tock, masks, Dr. Fauchi, riots and overall misery. Yep, I'm talking of this never ending year 2020. Only constant at least in the States Christmas creep and tacky holiday advertising. So, for those who remember, lived through or are a history buff which year was/is worse 1968 or 2020! I'll leave out the politics. [/b]
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Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:11 pm

Just to put this in perspective, 536 AD was absolutely the worse year to be alive. They didn't call it the Dark Ages for no reason. The time period was plagued by war and famine, the famine was cause by erupting Volcano's. Then 50 million people died of the bubonic plague. This too will pass, at least there is a promising vaccine, and at some point Trump will get tired of breaking things, though, I don't think his posse will ever tire of conspiracy theories, and his fans will probably never notice his true intentions of hurting our democracy.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:19 pm

A global pandemic killing millions, and leaving billions in semi-isolation all the while the biggest crisis in human history, global warming, is continuing to develop unchecked seasoned by a right-wing extremist attempting a coup in the country traditionally considered the beacon of the west/democracy without opposition from his own party...

I’d say 2020 is hard to beat in my lifetime. Worldwide.. maybe 1939/40 could be equally depressing?
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:38 pm

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Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:00 am

The years of World War 2 were probably some of the worst in modern history and definitely worse than 2020. Also, we were on the verge of nuclear war in 1962 with the Cuban Missle Crisis. Prior to 2020, the worst year since the end of the Cold War would be 2016 for a variety of reasons. There were terrorist attacks across Europe, the United States, Turkey, Pakistan, and the Middle East that year and that was the height of ISIS holding Iraq and Syria hostage. That year, Britain voted for Brexit and Donald Trump was elected President of the United States. There were also numerous mass shootings in the United States that year, along with a terrorist attack in Dhaka, Bangladesh. The Zika virus was also taking place across the Americas at the same time.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:25 am

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Paging 1989WorstYear...

Damn, that is EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw this thread!

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Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:49 am

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meecrob wrote:
Paging 1989WorstYear...

Damn, that is EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw this thread!

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Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:50 am

Tugger wrote:
meecrob wrote:
Paging 1989WorstYear...

Damn, that is EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw this thread!

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Tug, 1989 sadly had the genocide/mass killing in China Tienanem Square. My apologies for spelling errors.
What other reasons? If you have personal stuff no problem but, I'm looking at the overall big picture not limited to any nation. IMO I picked 1969, and 2020 for these reasons:] Literally bad news, sadness and [*]terrible events constant throughout the year.
[*]Radical surprise/unwelcome changes that were/are overwhelming
[*]An overall sense of sadness with plenty of anxiety
[*]Higher rate of fatalities

Contenders for bad years: 1918/1919 Spanish Flu Pandemic...WWWI, 1929 The Great Depression,2001 911 and 2005 (Weather Disasters) Weather disasters are just one component of 2020!
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Which year was/is worse 1968 or 2020?

Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:56 am

In retrospect I should have named this thread "Which was/is worse? 1968 or 2020?
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:07 am

1989worstyear is a member of these forums who claims everything has gotten worse since 1989. Something to do with the a320....it's interesting to say the least.

I think there's an interesting 2020-1968 parallel with NASA. Apollo 8 rounding the moon, SpaceX getting the U.S. back into the space business.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:29 am

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In retrospect I should have named this thread "Which was/is worse? 1968 or 2020?


Sorry man, didn't mean to derail your thread. I'm 84 born, so I can't comment on 68, but its sad that the issues from 68 are still so obviously evident in 2020.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:47 am

2020 has been the worst year of my life to date. The depression just doesn't stop.
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:14 am

If we consider worldwide infant mortality all years before the time of cheap interest were probably worse. The years before Deng Xiaoping were probably again worse.
2020 sucks, but if I had to choose a year in which I had to be born in a random country in a random family it's still a good year.
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:49 am

I was 14 back in 1968, so remember it reasonably well. Looking back from 2020, it doesn't stand out as being particularly bad, apart from my dad dying that April, it doesn't hold any particularly bad memories for me. I remember more the positives, like starting my first full-time job (would be considered child exploitation now) and the Apollo 8 mission. A whole new world was opening up to me, and, of course, the music was great! I remember the headlines: the Prague Spring, Robert Kennedy, Martiin Luther King, the Paris riots and the emerging civil rights marches in Northern Ireland, but they were really just that, headlines. I had far more important things to think about . . . :wink2: :smile:

2020 is . . . different, certainly one to remember, but there are positives as well as negatives. Maybe I'm more a glass-half-full person, though.
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:50 am

I think it is all subjective. For many, 2001 is the worst year ever. For others, 1974 is the worst. Yes, 2020 has been horrible. I was going through so much personal stuff, I only remember like an hour total of 2001.
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:46 am

Damn, 2020? Isn't it over yet?
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:26 pm

Personally? 2020 by a pretty clean margin (only 36), but for all its horseshit I'd take it over pretty much any year say, pre-1950. That's kind of a cop-out answer, but being alive prior to that was a much harsher existence than we're currently dealing with.
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:31 pm

I'm also too young to comment on 1968...I do know that after 1968 came the Summer of '69, and some claim those were the best days of their lives...
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:03 pm

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I'm also too young to comment on 1968...I do know that after 1968 came the Summer of '69, and some claim those were the best days of their lives...
Those that weren't in Vietnam, maybe...
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:25 pm

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N583JB wrote:
I'm also too young to comment on 1968...I do know that after 1968 came the Summer of '69, and some claim those were the best days of their lives...
Those that weren't in Vietnam, maybe...


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You told me it would last forever
Oh the way you held my hand
I knew that it was now or never
Those were the best days of my life
Back in the summer of '69"


-Quoted from "Summer of 69" (Released 1984) by popular Canadian mediocre music enthusiast, Bryan Adams.

I believe this is what N583JB was referring to.
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:34 pm

BlueberryWheats wrote:
johns624 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
I'm also too young to comment on 1968...I do know that after 1968 came the Summer of '69, and some claim those were the best days of their lives...
Those that weren't in Vietnam, maybe...


"Standin' on your mama's porch
You told me it would last forever
Oh the way you held my hand
I knew that it was now or never
Those were the best days of my life
Back in the summer of '69"


-Quoted from "Summer of 69" (Released 1984) by popular Canadian mediocre music enthusiast, Bryan Adams.

I believe this is what N583JB was referring to.


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Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:53 pm

There's good and bad in every year. 1968 the music was fantastic and mini skirts came into their own. In school, I was quite clumsy with my stuff falling off my desk. And the views were epic! I even saw some "trim." I appreciate all the replies keep them coming. I got the idea from a magazine article. Thank God mini skirts are in full force still today.
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:41 pm

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popular Canadian mediocre music enthusiast, Bryan Adams.


As a Canadian, that was the best description of Bryan Adams I've read to date!

On topic though, and since there was someone else in my age group who posted, its difficult to say which year is the worst. Honestly 2020 is kinda like "Ok, now they just ran out of ideas." Like a TV show that is trying to stay relevant. "we already had a recession from terrorism, a recession from idiots with money taking money from idiots with no money...what else can we do? What if we make it a reality show and toss a pandemic in the middle of it?" Is there an option for worst century because I nominate the 21st. Music is a bunch of click track treble crap, science is regarded as an opinion, living expenses (rent especially) are on a totally different scale than wage increases, and if you twist the viewpoint a bit, we are actively trying to counter evolution by NOT responding to a pandemic. To say the least, these last few years have definitely changed my outlook on my fellow human.
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:44 am

For the nation 1968 was a huge game changer.

First Tet, while a military victory for the US and RVN forces, shocked much of the nation by showing Vietnam was a real civil war.

Johnson saying he would not run for re-election. My father, who did not like Johnson, sat there shocked that he would give up the office.

The murders of Martin Luther King, Jr., Robert Kennedy, the riots in the cities, the Democratic Party candidates coming into the streets to support the protesters rights after Mayor Daly unleashed the Chicago Police upon them.

The Presidential election was important to me - because while I was in high school at the time, I also knew that if a candidate without a plan to end US involvement in the Vietnam War did not win, I would almost certainly be there in a few years (I was in 1972)

George Wallace getting 46 electoral votes put a lot of uncertainty into the election. Not after the votes were counted, but the days before the election were filled with all kinds of possible outcomes. Our US History teacher took that as a wonderful opportunity to push us to learn all kinds of esoteric details about how the electoral college worked, how a House vote for President would be held. Even a mock house vote with his four history classes.

Now, 1968 did end on a wonderfully uplifting note, the Apollo 8 mission circling the moon.
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Now personally, 1984 was my worst year - as my first marriage finally disintegrated.
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:46 am

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Honestly 2020 is kinda like "Ok, now they just ran out of ideas." Like a TV show that is trying to stay relevant.


Yes, US politics, voters and the political parties definitely JUMPED THE SHARK in 2020.
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:10 am

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meecrob wrote:
Honestly 2020 is kinda like "Ok, now they just ran out of ideas." Like a TV show that is trying to stay relevant.


Yes, US politics, voters and the political parties definitely JUMPED THE SHARK in 2020.

...and it seems he's aiming for the TV shot of him being dragged out of the White House. I have to admit, that will be TV gold. It will definitely overshadow Biden's inauguration.
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:48 am

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I think it is all subjective. For many, 2001 is the worst year ever. For others, 1974 is the worst. Yes, 2020 has been horrible. I was going through so much personal stuff, I only remember like an hour total of 2001.


Sept 11, 2001 was the day/ year/ event where my children lost their innocence. Their belief that America was invulnerable to the troubles, the bad things that happened in the rest of the world.

For me that day was Nov 22, 1963.

For my father it was Dec 7, 1941.

That day/ year is generational in my opinion.

Maybe because I saw the fall of Vietnam, not on TV, going into Saigon to film parts of the evacuation in April 1975, or Lebanon in September and October 1983, the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon did not surprise me that much. Shocked at the scale, but not surprised.

I was aware on the 1995 Bojinka Plot, also Tom Clancy's 1994 novel Debt of Honor and other things. The idea of flying aircraft into buildings was something I expected to happen somewhere in the world some day, quite possibly the US. And I had no doubt that determined people could some day sneak into aircraft the tools they needed to take over the planes and do that. The WTC and the Pentagon were high on my list of targets. Plus there was the 1993 WTC bombing that identified it as a major target of the terrorist organizaitons.

I was not listening to the radio on my way to work, having just resumed work the day before after a two month long illness. I was the TV in the building lobby showing one of the WTC Towers burning. I know enough about buildings, metal and temps to know the building would fall before noon. Then the second airplane came into view, and almost missed the tower before crashing into it. I sat down on the floor, tears in my eyes, I could hardly breathe, feeling the concrete dust, the grittiness, the smells of burning and the dead. A flashback to Oct 23, 1983 in Beirut. Worst I ever had.

Later, hearing the Pentagon was hit, I was concerned for a few friends still on active duty where were stationed there.

The symbolism of the targets was clear to me. The WTC was maybe the third or fourth most visible in the world, but unlike the Statue of Liberty, there would be massive casualties. The Pentagon of course the symbol of American imperialistic and military power. The White House would have been a nice target, but anyone who knows much about aircraft would know how difficult it was to hit such a small building.

The U.S. Capitol Building on the other hand, pretty easy to hit, and hundreds of clear camera angles to show the destruction on American democracy. I am certain it was the assigned target of United 93's hijackers.

Yes, 2001 was a bad year re the reality that the US is not safe behind its oceans, but over all the year was not that bad.

Other than the inauguration of the man I was sure was going to be the dumbest person to ever be President of the United States. I was proved wrong about that in 2017.
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:09 am

2020 is for me a massive disappointment. For some reason the number 2020 stuck out to me as a kid in the mid-2000s. It was the future, and I was excited to see what my city would look like in 2020, and how the rest of the world would be. Well, my city (Minneapolis) was on fire, and the entire world is suffering from a pandemic. Those are just two of many disappointing things about 2020.

2020 is one of the worst, but for me the absolute worst was one of my years in elementary school (2001-2005). Daily bullying that mentally scarred me and sent me into a deep depression. I'm trying to not let it control my life, but I know I'm still affected by it.
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:23 pm

Well, I feel 2020 is going to be the worst year in aviation history...
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:28 pm

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Well, I feel 2020 is going to be the worst year in aviation history...


You're only saying that so you aren't THE worst thing to happen to aviation ever, September11 :duck:
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:43 pm

I'm old enough to remember 1968. That was a crappy year. 2020 comes in second.
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Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:42 pm

1983 was a really bad year. September 26, 1983 a really, really bad day.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:23 am

Sure 2020 was the worst from a societal stand point - but from a personal stand point I have had far worse years due to financial situations, deaths, mental health, break ups, etc. Over all on a personal level this year may have been better than many... Although I don’t love the new norm I also didn’t prefer the old norm much better. That’s coming from
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2020 is for me a massive disappointment. For some reason the number 2020 stuck out to me as a kid in the mid-2000s. It was the future, and I was excited to see what my city would look like in 2020, and how the rest of the world would be. Well, my city (Minneapolis) was on fire, and the entire world is suffering from a pandemic. Those are just two of many disappointing things about 2020.

2020 is one of the worst, but for me the absolute worst was one of my years in elementary school (2001-2005). Daily bullying that mentally scarred me and sent me into a deep depression. I'm trying to not let it control my life, but I know I'm still affected by it.

Good gosh, that's crazy man. Elementary school bullying happened to me too, but I can't believe it still impacts you, man. Screw those kids you have your whole life together now. I can't imagine being insecure enough to bully someone so hard in elementary school
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:11 am

To me, 2020 has been the worst year for many reasons apart from the obvious 'The Pandemic'.

The main reason for 2020 as the 'Worst Year Ever' is due to the 'Democracy Dying In Hong Kong'. The international community were 'Pre-Occupied' in handling the pandemic that they failed to take the Chinese Authority into task and force them to respect the 'One Country Two System Policy' that was signed in 1996 by UK and China.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:21 am

Without hesitation, 2020.
Not just because of the pandemic, but because of a death in the family and the death of a friend (both unrelated to COVID).
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Paging 1989WorstYear...

Damn, that is EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw this thread!

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Did the events I China personally effect any of you?

I’m looking at this from my own perspective, 2020 should be a shifty year but it really hasn’t been that bad. I started a new job in January which has gone really well, had I stayed at my old employer I would have been off work for 4 months.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:47 pm

1981 was a pretty bad year if your were a homosexual male living in San Francisco. :/
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:37 pm

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Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:19 pm

My votes for 1351, the fourth crop failure in a row, Little Ice Age, 40% of Europe dead of the Black Death, more dying of famine or exposure. Despite the whining, nothing since was near that bad.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:35 pm

Approximately 65 million years ago. Dinosaurs ascendant and on top of the food chain with nothing to challenge that...until:
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Approximately 65 million years ago. Dinosaurs ascendant and on top of the food chain with nothing to challenge that...until:
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Dammit!

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At least, my entry was during human recorded history. Not even antiquity—the English, French and Hapsburg crowns were well established, the Pope had been in Rome for nearly a millennium and Constantinople was still in Christendom.
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:07 pm

I guess it depends on where you were. Globally, maybe 1943?

Mechanised, well organized murdering of the jewish population in Europe, a huge war of destruction (with international laws, humanity explicitly put aside) in Russia, Poland, the Japanese massively killing Chinese. 85 million people perished in terrible ways, mostly civilians; women, children, grandma's, boys playing soccer. 1943 Seems the ink dark middle of it. Luckily we were born later.

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This year is the worst in my life for me. There were many negative events that will be remembered for a long time. Some are related to the coronavirus, some are not. But I really want this year to end and the next 2021 to begin. I don't know what it will be, but I really hope it will be better than this one. I want to believe that after the rain there is always a rainbow, and after the black stripe, there is a white stripe. So I hope that next year will be positive. I have no big plans. The only thing I plan is to get married and try to change my job to the one I wanted for a long time. I hope I will succeed.
 
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Getting married is no big plan?.

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Re: So far, which year is worst?

Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:39 pm

According to my father 1968 was great. He was one of the students protesting in France, and had a good time. The US had had the good idea to force France out of Vietnam long ago by now (many on my father's side including my grandfather were born in French Indochina), but the bad idea to stay there, so France wasn't involved in that mess.
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Re: So far, which year is worst?

Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:31 pm

2020 has been dreadful. So was 2016, well for me it was. But yeah 2020worstyear.
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Re: So far, which year is worst?

Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:56 pm

People generally have a very poor grasp of history, and are likely to portray events happening in their lifetime as "the worst" or "the best". A Danish newsoutlet published a story today on the very topic of "worst year ever", and unsurprisingly 2020 doesn't make the cut.

536: Volcanic eruptions placed layer of ash over the northern hemisphere the sun was unable to penetrate. In the nordics, roughly 50% of the population died. It led to an enormous outbreak of the plague in 541, which ended up costing an estimated 50 million people their lives. Economies very totally destroyed and took decades to recover.

1348: The black death. Between a quarter and a third of the population in Europe died within an 18-month period. Enough said.

1914: The beginning of the WWI, which in and of itself saw military "advances" which made the wholesale slaughter both on and off the battlefields possible. It can easily be argued that without WWI we wouldn't have seen the rise of fascism, Stalin, WWII, the Holocaust and our next entrant on the list.

1918: The spanish flu, the first global pandemic which took the lives of around 50 million people globally.

1929: The great depression. Part of the economic impact resulted in southern European nations going deep into depth, which led to widespread poverty and gave rise to a former WWI corporal of Austria descent, which that leads us to:

1941: 2 years into WWII and things were getting properly brutal; the Nazi's were still going from victory to victory and had launched operation Barbarossa and started killing innocents on an industrial level in the KZ camps. WWII ended up with an estimated 75 million people killed.

Compared to those years, 2020 is hardly even a speedbump.
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Re: So far, which year is worst?

Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:03 am

seb146 wrote:
I think it is all subjective. For many, 2001 is the worst year ever. For others, 1974 is the worst. Yes, 2020 has been horrible. I was going through so much personal stuff, I only remember like an hour total of 2001.


I remember 2001, it was terrible and seeing that footage on TV was greatly shocking.

But this year has probably had a greater impact, nearly everything you do is turned upside down by this damn virus.

And I’ll whinge that the start of 2021 not only has a resurgent virus outbreak where I am, but it’s pouring down rain all the time every day so I can’t even get outside to do my normal exercise.

I’m not old enough to remember other events.

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