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Will States That Are Refusing Stay at Home Orders do so Once Biden Gets in Office

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:20 pm

Will states like Texas, Florida, and South Dakota that are seeing a huge surge of COVID-19 cases, but refusing to impose shutdowns like stay at home orders finally do so once Joe Biden comes into office as a condition for federal funding? I think that Biden might impose such measures and what do you think?
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:14 pm

I think at the end of the day, the local towns/cities where things are getting bad will shut down on their own. Many school systems around the country are going back to virtual for awhile in hard hit areas( in my area, they can't get teachers to sub for those that are absent(regular reasons/covid)), and employers that depended on aid are having to lay off employees as money gets tight. 6-8 weeks of a shutdown with aid might not be a bad idea. It could change the trend and save some lives, while allowing the vaccines to be distributed to those most in need of it going forward.

I get the arguments for staying open, but at this point the government has the ability to save hundreds of thousands of lives. The vaccines are here, and now we have logistical choices to be made to save some lives.
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Re: Will States That Are Refusing Stay at Home Orders do so Once Biden Gets in Office

Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:32 pm

It'll never happen. He might mandate it with regards to anything federal related but as far as a mandatory mask mandate, no way would it be effective or most likely legal.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:48 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.


And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:27 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.


Thank you. Where I live, shutdowns delayed the deaths for a good long time. But mostly, everybody who was going to die of COVID has died now, after the second wave completes.*

There was never a very smart discussion of options, so we ended up with a worst of all possible outcomes.

Also, and I stress, billions of people lost a year of their lives over this. The healthiest year they had left. Billions of people.

* This is just my prediction of what scientists will say from the real data.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:27 am

seb146 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.


And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.


Yes, no argument on slowing the transmission, but unless you permanently stay locked down, it doesn’t go away. Slows the transmission equals flattening the curve but not eliminating the virus.

California has enacted the toughest lockdowns and are the epicenter of the current wave. Go figure. 52,000 cases yesterday, 16,000 hospitalized, record 340+ deaths.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
seb146 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.


And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.


Yes, no argument on slowing the transmission, but unless you permanently stay locked down, it doesn’t go away. Slows the transmission equals flattening the curve but not eliminating the virus.

California has enacted the toughest lockdowns and are the epicenter of the current wave. Go figure. 52,000 cases yesterday, 16,000 hospitalized, record 340+ deaths.


Because people are refusing to listen to the experts who tell us to limit contact with others and wear masks. People want to go out and drink and eat and don't care about other's health. Look at all the people claiming the covid death numbers are lower because many people may have underlying conditions. The party of "every life is sacred" does not care about life at all. That is becoming more and more clear the longer this goes on. The party of Jesus and Bible are selfish.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:12 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
seb146 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.


And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.


Yes, no argument on slowing the transmission, but unless you permanently stay locked down, it doesn’t go away. Slows the transmission equals flattening the curve but not eliminating the virus.

California has enacted the toughest lockdowns and are the epicenter of the current wave. Go figure. 52,000 cases yesterday, 16,000 hospitalized, record 340+ deaths.


Your statement is unscientific because it ignores timeline. At the time CA enacted the toughest lockdowns, case growth and hospitalizations were arrested. Once the rolling county tier system of re-openings went into effect without a sweeping mask mandate, the current situation was all but guaranteed. The June mandate only required masks in public spaces (though a lot of businesses had their own) and it wasn't until the first week of this month that masks were required anywhere outside the home. Intrastate commerce and travel has been fairly robust since summer and combined with the anti-science morons who prioritize 'freedumb' over mask-wearing, that geared up for a very ugly fall slow burn and now post-Thanksgiving explosion. All of this has been mentioned by prominent doctors for the last several months and is now coming to fruition. Failure of leadership by various mayors and the governor has not helped with public messaging either.

Taiwan achieved full reopening months ago by strict contact tracing (including police followup on subjects staying home) and 100% mask compliance in all situations. Australia has used restrictions on travel into and out of states to achieve same. Both will not have to remain 'permanently locked down' because they have not given the virus further opportunities to spread.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:13 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Will states like Texas, Florida, and South Dakota that are seeing a huge surge of COVID-19 cases, but refusing to impose shutdowns like stay at home orders finally do so once Joe Biden comes into office as a condition for federal funding? I think that Biden might impose such measures and what do you think?


If it was early on in the pandemic maybe but at this point highly unlikely.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:33 am

First point, if 1,000,000 people get COVID in the course of a year and there are medical facilities to deal with that most will survive. If 1,000,000 get COVID in one month and there are insufficient medical facilities many will not survive.

Second point, if people get COVID once treatment has developed then less will die.

Third point, if they don't get COVID before vaccination then they will not get it. That is the whole point of vaccination.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:35 am

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And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.

We're still reciting talking points I see.
California has both a lock down and a mask mandate. California leads the nation in infection rates now and ordered 5000 more body bags today.
Florida rid themselves of *ALL* restrictions in *SEPTEMBER*. Surely by your logic, it should be Florida that is ordering body bags. Except they aren't, California is.
Facts are hard, I know. Science is hard, I know.

By the way, I voted for Biden. So don't try to label me as a MAGAt.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:35 am

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Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.

It make sense now now that the virus have spreaded this much, but it didn't make sense back then when the case were still relatively few. It was like waiving a white flag before even really started engaging with the virus.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:40 am

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
seb146 wrote:

And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.


Yes, no argument on slowing the transmission, but unless you permanently stay locked down, it doesn’t go away. Slows the transmission equals flattening the curve but not eliminating the virus.

California has enacted the toughest lockdowns and are the epicenter of the current wave. Go figure. 52,000 cases yesterday, 16,000 hospitalized, record 340+ deaths.


Because people are refusing to listen to the experts who tell us to limit contact with others and wear masks. People want to go out and drink and eat and don't care about other's health. Look at all the people claiming the covid death numbers are lower because many people may have underlying conditions. The party of "every life is sacred" does not care about life at all. That is becoming more and more clear the longer this goes on. The party of Jesus and Bible are selfish.

Thevreason why people refused to listen, was lack of care communication. The reason why in this pandemic that many people in the West refused to wear masks and refused to treat the virus seriously was because in January and February many experts, media, and governments told them mask wearing isn't necessary and it's more important to pay attention to flu than this virus.
When things actually hit the West, media, experts, and governments start realigning their opinion and recommendation with the reality related to the virus, but the damage by previous incorrect communication have already been done, and sufficient communication/explanation were never being made to tell people why they're now giving out different opinions/suggestions.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:41 am

seb146 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
seb146 wrote:

And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.


Yes, no argument on slowing the transmission, but unless you permanently stay locked down, it doesn’t go away. Slows the transmission equals flattening the curve but not eliminating the virus.

California has enacted the toughest lockdowns and are the epicenter of the current wave. Go figure. 52,000 cases yesterday, 16,000 hospitalized, record 340+ deaths.


Because people are refusing to listen to the experts who tell us to limit contact with others and wear masks. People want to go out and drink and eat and don't care about other's health. Look at all the people claiming the covid death numbers are lower because many people may have underlying conditions. The party of "every life is sacred" does not care about life at all. That is becoming more and more clear the longer this goes on. The party of Jesus and Bible are selfish.

Thevreason why people refused to listen, was lack of care communication. The reason why in this pandemic that many people in the West refused to wear masks and refused to treat the virus seriously was because in January and February many experts, media, and governments told them mask wearing isn't necessary and it's more important to pay attention to flu than this virus.
When things actually hit the West, media, experts, and governments start realigning their opinion and recommendation with the reality related to the virus, but the damage by previous incorrect communication have already been done, and sufficient communication/explanation were never being made to tell people why they're now giving out different opinions/suggestions.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm

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It make sense now now that the virus have spreaded this much, but it didn't make sense back then when the case were still relatively few. It was like waiving a white flag before even really started engaging with the virus.


I'm trying to get my head around this comment so forgive me please if I'm reading it wrong.

The scientists were saying that without protective measures the virus will spread fast and wide.
However, the people were saying - well it hasn't spread fast and wide so what's the point of protective measures, we're not actually stopping anything.
Then the people said - OK, it's now spread fast and wide, so let's put in place the measures that would have stopped it spreading fast and wide.

Isn't that almost the perfect example of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted?
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:08 pm

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Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period.
But the prospects of having a vaccine prior to this were pretty good.

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.

It depends what you mean by stopping the virus, if you mean slowing the overall infection rate by reducing transmission i.e. getting the R number below 1 then yes you can stop it. In many parts of the world this has been achieved through a number of means
-Limiting social contact through closing areas of social gathering, imposing restrictions on social distance in public areas, working from home, appointment timing
-Increasing the use of practical and effective PPE including masks, gloves and screens.
-Increased cleaning/sanitising of contact points on both people and objects.

Whilst none of these means are 100% effective against the spread of the virus they do reduce the R number as does the vaccine.

Whilst the vaccine comes online the R number can be maintained below 1 with reduced amount of the other restrictions.

We cannot reasonably 'stop' the virus with 'hiding' but we can reduce the number of people who die a painful lonely death by 'hiding' whilst the vaccine is developed and rolled out.

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Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:59 pm

It's very simple, and I don't understand why some don't seem to get it. The restrictions *buy us time*.

In the US a lot of people blame the Trump administration, and I while I do agree that they do shoulder the blame in terms of poor messaging and lack of testing infrastructure, it really boils down to many people's selfishness. That's basically it. They're not willing to modify their lives by wearing a mask and reducing social contact for a temporary period of time, so they rampantly infect each other and over 300k are now dead because of it.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:34 pm

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c933103 wrote:
It make sense now now that the virus have spreaded this much, but it didn't make sense back then when the case were still relatively few. It was like waiving a white flag before even really started engaging with the virus.


I'm trying to get my head around this comment so forgive me please if I'm reading it wrong.

The scientists were saying that without protective measures the virus will spread fast and wide.
However, the people were saying - well it hasn't spread fast and wide so what's the point of protective measures, we're not actually stopping anything.
Then the people said - OK, it's now spread fast and wide, so let's put in place the measures that would have stopped it spreading fast and wide.

Isn't that almost the perfect example of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted?

If I recalled correctly, even many scientists at the time were advising against those strong protective measures that might be able to help cut down virus transmission path to a degree that can see eradication of domestic transmission of the virus.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:47 pm

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If I recalled correctly, even many scientists at the time were advising against those strong protective measures that might be able to help cut down virus transmission path to a degree that can see eradication of domestic transmission of the virus.


Independents that weren't puppets of one political party or another? Or scientists from outside the US from territories that had already shown some positive effects from such measures? It's always possible to find an "expert" that will say pretty much anything you like if you're happy to ignore what might be obvious bias.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:12 pm

Another possibility in Asia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847

About party of death, does that include DeBlasio, Cuomo, Murphy, Wolf, Pelosi, Newsom?
 
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Another possibility in Asia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847

About party of death, does that include DeBlasio, Cuomo, Murphy, Wolf, Pelosi, Newsom?

That depends on how you solve 'The trolley problem" https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-a ... phy-ethics

Most people would rather do nothing and let more people die than take an action that will lead to them being blamed for a death. The key challenge is when one starts, and makes whatever decision, you ultimately do not know what that decision will cause itself.

So do you do nothing and guarantee deaths or do something and know there will still be deaths, even if likely fewer, and you will be blamed?

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Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:21 pm

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seb146 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Back in February, the medical experts said, everybody will eventually be infected if we don’t have a vaccine that’s effective and has a reasonably long immunity period. Their advice was to “flatten the curve” to prevent overwhelm hospital care. It’s a new virus, there’s no stopping by hiding, so we vaccinations or just stretching out the curve until we all have it.


And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.


Yes, no argument on slowing the transmission, but unless you permanently stay locked down, it doesn’t go away. Slows the transmission equals flattening the curve but not eliminating the virus.

California has enacted the toughest lockdowns and are the epicenter of the current wave. Go figure. 52,000 cases yesterday, 16,000 hospitalized, record 340+ deaths.



California's lockdowns were not real lockdowns.
At best, you can call them light to moderare restrictions.




I'm not a US lawyer, but perhaps a Habeas Corpus suspension can be applied, as the US constitution allows for suspension of rights for reasons of public safety.
If public safety require everyone to stay sheltered by congressional bill on the grounds of the "war on Covid" approved by Congress, anyone going against that order could be deemed in offence and prosecuted.
But it'll take Congressional approval IMO and I'm not sure the Senate will support that.

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Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:29 pm

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Another possibility in Asia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847

About party of death, does that include DeBlasio, Cuomo, Murphy, Wolf, Pelosi, Newsom?


A few points from that article.

- Those in Asia are absolutely more healthy than those in the western world, leads to much better results there than here.
- They are far more collective and don't have the individual rights we have. Their contact tracing is essentially automatic because they have the right to track everybody.
- The west's individual culture has made it so successful but its drawback gets exposed in times like this.
- Masks help reduce infection
- Japan is not testing so mild cases are being missed

As for the democratic politicians they are hated because of their measures are mind-bogglingly inconsistent and then get busted breaking the rules. I lean left but even the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Cuomo and Gavin Newsom make me want to puke as of how fake they are.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:02 pm

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Another possibility in Asia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847

About party of death, does that include DeBlasio, Cuomo, Murphy, Wolf, Pelosi, Newsom?


Japan has implemented new restrictions on activities in major cities for December due to record case counts for the year in Tokyo and Osaka.

The best example remains Taiwan:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/ ... o-covid19/
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:57 pm

The answer to the question is no.
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It'll never happen. He might mandate it with regards to anything federal related but as far as a mandatory mask mandate, no way would it be effective or most likely legal.



A mandate ordering citizens to wear a mask or quarantine during a pandemic is illegal? Doubtful.
 
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It'll never happen. He might mandate it with regards to anything federal related but as far as a mandatory mask mandate, no way would it be effective or most likely legal.



A mandate ordering citizens to wear a mask or quarantine during a pandemic is illegal? Doubtful.


Just watch. The sates, which have even more power, can't even pull it off. You need federal enforcement and that doesn't exist.
 
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And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.

We're still reciting talking points I see.
California has both a lock down and a mask mandate. California leads the nation in infection rates now and ordered 5000 more body bags today.
Florida rid themselves of *ALL* restrictions in *SEPTEMBER*. Surely by your logic, it should be Florida that is ordering body bags. Except they aren't, California is.
Facts are hard, I know. Science is hard, I know.

By the way, I voted for Biden. So don't try to label me as a MAGAt.


There are more people in California than Florida so it would stand to reason there are more infections in California. Add to that the number of undocumented in California vs. Florida and the number of "I refuse to follow the advice of Democrats" who live in California. Plus, California health officials are actually following the numbers of infections and deaths. Wasn't if Florida who misrepresented the numbers to make it look like infections were falling? Besides, if you don't count the number of infections, then you have none, right? Isn't that the line from the stable genius?
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And it has also been proven that wearing masks and limiting contact with others for long periods of time slows the transmission. But that is science and we all know MAGA hates science.


Why is it that so many Democrats in state and local governments issue stay at home or similar orders, yet are constantly caught violating them? Do they hate science, or just not believe what they’re selling?
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It'll never happen. He might mandate it with regards to anything federal related but as far as a mandatory mask mandate, no way would it be effective or most likely legal.



A mandate ordering citizens to wear a mask or quarantine during a pandemic is illegal? Doubtful.


Yeah. States have that power, on a limited basis, but even Biden has acknowledged a federal mask mandate would likely be unconstitutional.
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Re: Will States That Are Refusing Stay at Home Orders do so Once Biden Gets in Office

Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:51 am

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Why is it that so many Democrats in state and local governments issue stay at home or similar orders, yet are constantly caught violating them? Do they hate science, or just not believe what they’re selling?


They are just doing what other Democrats are doing so they can't be accused of not doing enough. It's kabuki theatre at it's worst especially when you factor in the economic damage it does. Heck Governor Newsom is risking getting enough votes for a recall vote.
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Re: Will States That Are Refusing Stay at Home Orders do so Once Biden Gets in Office

Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:06 am

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If I recalled correctly, even many scientists at the time were advising against those strong protective measures that might be able to help cut down virus transmission path to a degree that can see eradication of domestic transmission of the virus.


Independents that weren't puppets of one political party or another? Or scientists from outside the US from territories that had already shown some positive effects from such measures? It's always possible to find an "expert" that will say pretty much anything you like if you're happy to ignore what might be obvious bias.

Not just the US but also like some from Europe, and also a number of different persons that their opinion get widely transmitted through mainstream media and are heard by multiple nations' government
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