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US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:17 am

The recent cyber attacks organized on a vast number of organizations in the US doesn't seem to get a lot of coverage on a background of Covid chaos and election news, but its impact may well be rather important.
These attacks have likely been ongoing for months now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55358332
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/17/poli ... index.html

Russia, predictably, is thought to be behind the attacks and, equally predictably, the current administration doesn't really seem to have much to say about it or even care at all... As has been the case the last few times Russia has been conducting hacks on US organizations or generally meddled with its affairs through the webz one way or the other.

These are serious attacks on US institutions nonetheless, including against very sensitive data.
It is increasingly worrying to realize that so many organizations entrusted with highly classified data do not do enough to protect it from cyber attacks, especially from hostile foreign actors.
How many state and trade secrets have to be lost to the 'enemy' before appropriate actions are taken?
Why is the administration not taking steps to retaliate? (actually, don't bother. I know the answer to this one)
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Re: US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:49 am

The investigation is going to take months at minimum. Lots of questions regarding how they knew access points for internal agency networks and whether they stole data from databases or modified it.
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Re: US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:56 am

Russia=China=Iran are just as active in this domain. But many companies even if they're individually being attacked are not willing to talk much about their experience, due to things like trust and confidence by customers.
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Re: US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:28 pm

c933103 wrote:
Russia=China=Iran are just as active in this domain. But many companies even if they're individually being attacked are not willing to talk much about their experience, due to things like trust and confidence by customers.


You forget North Korea.
But yes, for many nations, cyber-attacks, -terrorism and -spying is a very cost effective way to harass an enemy that would otherwise outgun you in any physical military engagement.
Given the increasing scale and frequency of these attacks, it's reasonable to wonder why more efforts aren't made to combat these damaging strikes. The US boasts the largest military budget in the world by an order of magnitude and can even afford to sink billions in slightly ridiculous and superfluous vanity projects such as a 'Space Force', but appears like a deer in the headlights when it comes to cyber security.

The current administration certainly has done nothing to improve this. The White House's silence on these attacks speaks volumes.

It appears now that the Energy Department has been hit as well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55358332
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Re: US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:04 pm

Let's see Trump claims that their is voter fraud, launches multiple lawsuits, multiple investigations, and turns up nothing.

Everyone Else claims the Russians are interfering, and Trump and his cult say "LA LA LA LA".

Then we find out they really did hack. Trump will just run and hide with the cult. The rest of us will have to figure out what happened.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:18 pm

Add this to the list of Trump's accomplishments by the time he leaves office, biggest foreign electronic attack ever (he'll like that superlative as will 99% of Republicans who all seem to have their heads so far up Trump's ass they think it's roses they're smelling). 400,000 dead, record numbers of Americans who refuse to believe that science is real, job losses, the most divided nation in or history (surely another epic win for Trump and Republicans, being #1 at something)..what else can we add to the list? Coal never came back, but that at least got him a victory in West Virginia, go figure. I guess he will be able to say he stacked the federal court system with ultra conservatives, who fortunately for all of us still came through for democracy when it counted most, and he enriched the wealthy by an order of magnitude that will forever earn him invitations to the very coastal uber elite parties and events that his Republican cult always thought he was fighting against, and of course Moscow, where he will be enshrined as the greatest FOV ever (friend of Vlad). At least now we know what went on behind closed doors when he and Putin met in Year 1, the password to SolarWind's DoD Admin account.

The final wreckage of Trump's stunning failures as President will be painful to watch, but thank Christ we prevented another four years.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:39 pm

In a way it is blow back.
NSA and consorts have introduced or kept secret quite a range of backdoors into predominantly Microsoft OSes
that were a haphazardly insecure design from the get go.
(Just look at the fall out from getting at Iran's PLC "nucular" infrasstructure. Very minor win with a followup of a global hacking fest by everybody and his nosy grandma.)
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Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:28 am

Francoflier wrote:
Russia, predictably, is thought to be behind the attacks and, equally predictably, the current administration doesn't really seem to have much to say about it or even care at all...


and equally predictably, Putin's Russia denied everything.
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Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:43 pm

Speaking of it:
"Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves by attributing them to others."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Re: US cyber attacks

Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:08 pm

http://www.breakingthenews.net/news/details/54123296
Trump claim China is possible offender
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:58 am

c933103 wrote:
http://www.breakingthenews.net/news/details/54123296
Trump claim China is possible offender


Trump’s claim is bonkers considering Pompeo and Senators from the intel committee have already clearly indicated all signs point to Russia. Yet again - why is he unable to go negative on Russia?
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:41 am

Aaron747 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
http://www.breakingthenews.net/news/details/54123296
Trump claim China is possible offender


Trump’s claim is bonkers considering Pompeo and Senators from the intel committee have already clearly indicated all signs point to Russia. Yet again - why is he unable to go negative on Russia?


They have something on him, or he’s indebted to them, or both. Or maybe he just idolizes autocratic figures?
 
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:47 am

bgm wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
http://www.breakingthenews.net/news/details/54123296
Trump claim China is possible offender


Trump’s claim is bonkers considering Pompeo and Senators from the intel committee have already clearly indicated all signs point to Russia. Yet again - why is he unable to go negative on Russia?


They have something on him, or he’s indebted to them, or both. Or maybe he just idolizes autocratic figures?


It’s the second one. His biggest loans in the last decade were reportedly underwritten by a Russian state bank. They own him.
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:14 am

bgm wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
http://www.breakingthenews.net/news/details/54123296
Trump claim China is possible offender


Trump’s claim is bonkers considering Pompeo and Senators from the intel committee have already clearly indicated all signs point to Russia. Yet again - why is he unable to go negative on Russia?


They have something on him, or he’s indebted to them, or both. Or maybe he just idolizes autocratic figures?
All of the above...
 
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:40 am

Aaron747 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
http://www.breakingthenews.net/news/details/54123296
Trump claim China is possible offender


Trump’s claim is bonkers considering Pompeo and Senators from the intel committee have already clearly indicated all signs point to Russia. Yet again - why is he unable to go negative on Russia?


All the "who dun it" allegations in the US are political. Fake News in that domain is an established form of communication.

For facts such quips have no value ( neither affirmative nor for negating.)
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:10 pm

Fox News is hilarious. A scan of their home page shows not a single link to any story covering this Russian hack. The lead stories are all about Biden and his son's connections to China and how they'll compromise US interests for their self-enrichment. What a world we live in.

In one positive piece of news holding the Fox News propaganda machine in check, Lou "Jowly Jesus" Dobbs, Maria Dingbats and some other jack wagon on Fox are all retracting their Dominion-Venezuela news stories this weekend after HQ's received a scathing letter from Dominion attorneys pointing out how positively full of shit this purported news organization is. I guess their own attorneys read that letter and agreed they'd be in a world of financial hurt if they didn't admit their complete lack of journalistic integrity.
 
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:57 pm

c933103 wrote:
Russia=China=Iran are just as active in this domain. But many companies even if they're individually being attacked are not willing to talk much about their experience, due to things like trust and confidence by customers.


Exactly. These are the three leading US strategic adversaries. They are all hacking us at all times, as is North Korea. And then we get to things like Israel, which also hacks us.

This would all be a joke, except China, and to a lesser extent Russia, really do mean us harm. The data can be a powerful tool to disable the US (in the future, US military and drones) and US companies. This could be a pathway to world domination.
 
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:50 am

I just hope there won't be another Cold War under Biden.
Or should I better hope the war remains cold?
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:25 pm

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I just hope there won't be another Cold War under Biden.
Or should I better hope the war remains cold?


It will escalate under Biden, but we all need to keep in mind that Biden did not start the escalation. Putin and his MAGA BFF did. That must always be said every time we talk about it.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:14 am

WIederling wrote:
All the "who dun it" allegations in the US are political. Fake News in that domain is an established form of communication. For facts such quips have no value ( neither affirmative nor for negating.)


Do you have any actual evidence to support that statement? To an unbiased observer, it sure sounds like Russian propaganda...
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:12 am

johns624 wrote:
bgm wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Trump’s claim is bonkers considering Pompeo and Senators from the intel committee have already clearly indicated all signs point to Russia. Yet again - why is he unable to go negative on Russia?


They have something on him, or he’s indebted to them, or both. Or maybe he just idolizes autocratic figures?
All of the above...


Trumps son is on record that they got all the funding they needed from Russia.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/33227 ... funding-we

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Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:53 am

alfa164 wrote:
WIederling wrote:
All the "who dun it" allegations in the US are political. Fake News in that domain is an established form of communication. For facts such quips have no value ( neither affirmative nor for negating.)


Do you have any actual evidence to support that statement? To an unbiased observer, it sure sounds like Russian propaganda...

Usually takes some time ( often years, decades ) to be exposed with released facts.

Look back at things like the "incubator lie", Powell's "poison gas trucks", Saddams WMDs, Soviet U-Boats in Sweden, ...
Every time the original narrative was destroyed over time and exposed as a deliberate lie ( and not just some misjudgement).
I do wonder what they unearth with revisiting the Estonia sinking.

Then look at native US documents released ( FOI requests and regular publication ) for the 50ties to 70ties time frame.
An absolutely endearing view into US political thinking and acting and how that was cloaked in a superficially altruistic framing.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:17 am

WIederling wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
WIederling wrote:
All the "who dun it" allegations in the US are political. Fake News in that domain is an established form of communication. For facts such quips have no value ( neither affirmative nor for negating.)


Do you have any actual evidence to support that statement? To an unbiased observer, it sure sounds like Russian propaganda...

Usually takes some time ( often years, decades ) to be exposed with released facts.

Look back at things like the "incubator lie", Powell's "poison gas trucks", Saddams WMDs, Soviet U-Boats in Sweden, ....


out of those only the incubator lie took a little bit to be debunked, the rest was instantly debunked, and U-137 did actually sit on a rock for 10 days before Swedish tugs brought it back out to sea.

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Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:22 am

Russian subs in Swedish waters was very real;

Image

Sweden was actually on the limit to start attacking russian navy outside Sweden during this crisis;

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... eden-24687
 
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:18 pm

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Russian subs in Swedish waters was very real;

https://blm.kulturhotell.se/files/origi ... 1f2d5d.jpg

Sweden was actually on the limit to start attacking russian navy outside Sweden during this crisis;

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... eden-24687


Especially that one proably is not what is was said to be at the time:
WP:EN:S-363 wrote:
Interpretations

At the time, the incident was generally seen as a proof of widespread Soviet infiltration of the Swedish coastline;[8] and encouraged Sweden to deploy incident weapons to deter future infiltration.[9]

In an interview in 2006, Vasily Besedin, the political officer on board, gave a different picture. The vessel had dual navigation systems, a well-trained crew and the captain Pyotr Gushchin was amongst the best. On board was staff officer Joseph Avrukevich who was trained in security techniques. Besedin claimed the incident was caused by an error in calculations by the navigation officer.

The area in which the Soviet submarine ran aground was at the time a restricted military zone where no foreign nationals were allowed. The exact location served as one of only two routes that could be used to move bigger ships from the naval base in Karlskrona to open water.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_su ... pretations
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Re: US cyber attacks

Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:34 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
WIederling wrote:
alfa164 wrote:

Do you have any actual evidence to support that statement? To an unbiased observer, it sure sounds like Russian propaganda...

Usually takes some time ( often years, decades ) to be exposed with released facts.

Look back at things like the "incubator lie", Powell's "poison gas trucks", Saddams WMDs, Soviet U-Boats in Sweden, ....


out of those only the incubator lie took a little bit to be debunked, the rest was instantly debunked, and U-137 did actually sit on a rock for 10 days before Swedish tugs brought it back out to sea.


Still the Coaltion of the Willing "partners" nor the US did retreat from those fictional stories and used them to devastate a range of nations.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:25 pm

Please keep this thread on topic, thanks.
 
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:32 pm

Security requires vigilance and patching, Many large organizations try to stay on top of it, but it is an effort that requires, time ,training, manpower, willing employees, and a large dose of leadership.

The attacks made here are concerning, and it is unknown how much data that the attackers accessed. Cyber security is a new line of defense that will require more time and attention going forward from organizations in both the private and public sector.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:49 pm

casinterest wrote:
Security requires vigilance and patching, Many large organizations try to stay on top of it, but it is an effort that requires, time ,training, manpower, willing employees, and a large dose of leadership.

The attacks made here are concerning, and it is unknown how much data that the attackers accessed. Cyber security is a new line of defense that will require more time and attention going forward from organizations in both the private and public sector.

The hard part is blocking all attempts and in particular emails to people within any organization. People open to many emails without question.
"See attached invoice."
"Zoe sent you an e-card."
"Hey Susan, we just got the estimate/quote. See the attached."
"Joe, did you see the new ebuzzer off-road cutter?! Check out the crazy video of what it can do!"
"Elaine, we need this project reviewed and completed ASAP, please see attached and respond."
"Click below to unsubscribe from this email"

One has to be ridiculously careful with emails. And if a pop-up box suddenly appears with "do you want to open XYZ" You can't click "no" or the "X" as they can be programed as an affirmative action (a "yes"), you have to crash out of whatever program you were in when it got you.

We think space is hard, online security might just be harder.

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Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:53 pm

Tugger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Security requires vigilance and patching, Many large organizations try to stay on top of it, but it is an effort that requires, time ,training, manpower, willing employees, and a large dose of leadership.

The attacks made here are concerning, and it is unknown how much data that the attackers accessed. Cyber security is a new line of defense that will require more time and attention going forward from organizations in both the private and public sector.

The hard part is blocking all attempts and in particular emails to people within any organization. People open to many emails without question.
"See attached invoice."
"Zoe sent you an e-card."
"Hey Susan, we just got the estimate/quote. See the attached."
"Joe, did you see the new ebuzzer off-road cutter?! Check out the crazy video of what it can do!"
"Elaine, we need this project reviewed and completed ASAP, please see attached and respond."
"Click below to unsubscribe from this email"

One has to be ridiculously careful with emails. And if a pop-up box suddenly appears with "do you want to open XYZ" You can't click "no" or the "X" as they can be programed as an affirmative action (a "yes"), you have to crash out of whatever program you were in when it got you.

We think space is hard, online security might just be harder.

Tugg


I deal with it all of the time, and the above examples are usually easy to delete and move on, but that is why training and willing employees is a big piece of the issue.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:17 pm

You would or should not know that we were, that is the sign of an desired execution of the plan. And with trump saying publicly he believes the Russians over his own intelligence agencies..are we surprised???
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:41 pm

WIederling wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
WIederling wrote:
All the "who dun it" allegations in the US are political. Fake News in that domain is an established form of communication. For facts such quips have no value ( neither affirmative nor for negating.)

Do you have any actual evidence to support that statement? To an unbiased observer, it sure sounds like Russian propaganda...

Usually takes some time ( often years, decades ) to be exposed with released facts.
Look back at things like the "incubator lie", Powell's "poison gas trucks", Saddams WMDs, Soviet U-Boats in Sweden, ...
Every time the original narrative was destroyed over time and exposed as a deliberate lie ( and not just some misjudgement).
I do wonder what they unearth with revisiting the Estonia sinking.
Then look at native US documents released ( FOI requests and regular publication ) for the 50ties to 70ties time frame.
An absolutely endearing view into US political thinking and acting and how that was cloaked in a superficially altruistic framing.


So... we can agree you have no evidence to back up your statement, and this it is just Russian propaganda and an attempt at diversion and disinformation.

Got it!


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Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:37 pm

Tugger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Security requires vigilance and patching, Many large organizations try to stay on top of it, but it is an effort that requires, time ,training, manpower, willing employees, and a large dose of leadership.

The attacks made here are concerning, and it is unknown how much data that the attackers accessed. Cyber security is a new line of defense that will require more time and attention going forward from organizations in both the private and public sector.

The hard part is blocking all attempts and in particular emails to people within any organization. People open to many emails without question.
"See attached invoice."
"Zoe sent you an e-card."
"Hey Susan, we just got the estimate/quote. See the attached."
"Joe, did you see the new ebuzzer off-road cutter?! Check out the crazy video of what it can do!"
"Elaine, we need this project reviewed and completed ASAP, please see attached and respond."
"Click below to unsubscribe from this email"

One has to be ridiculously careful with emails. And if a pop-up box suddenly appears with "do you want to open XYZ" You can't click "no" or the "X" as they can be programed as an affirmative action (a "yes"), you have to crash out of whatever program you were in when it got you.

We think space is hard, online security might just be harder.

Tugg


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Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:55 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Security requires vigilance and patching, Many large organizations try to stay on top of it, but it is an effort that requires, time ,training, manpower, willing employees, and a large dose of leadership.

The attacks made here are concerning, and it is unknown how much data that the attackers accessed. Cyber security is a new line of defense that will require more time and attention going forward from organizations in both the private and public sector.

The hard part is blocking all attempts and in particular emails to people within any organization. People open to many emails without question.
"See attached invoice."
"Zoe sent you an e-card."
"Hey Susan, we just got the estimate/quote. See the attached."
"Joe, did you see the new ebuzzer off-road cutter?! Check out the crazy video of what it can do!"
"Elaine, we need this project reviewed and completed ASAP, please see attached and respond."
"Click below to unsubscribe from this email"

One has to be ridiculously careful with emails. And if a pop-up box suddenly appears with "do you want to open XYZ" You can't click "no" or the "X" as they can be programed as an affirmative action (a "yes"), you have to crash out of whatever program you were in when it got you.

We think space is hard, online security might just be harder.

Tugg


Preventing people from doing careless/dumb things online and in email boxes is the bane of HR/IT coordination everywhere.



It's not just that though. There are issues for when exploits occur in the software and apps that make browsing the internet possible. I saw a nasty one a few months ago, that luckily due to a limited size text input box prevented enough malicious code from being dumped in through the browser link.
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Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:47 am

It's statement against statement.
I haven't seen proof either way, nor would I be able to judge.

What is Russia's motive?
Would the West do the same? If yes, why are we upset?
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Sokes wrote:
It's statement against statement.
I haven't seen proof either way, nor would I be able to judge.

What is Russia's motive?
Would the West do the same? If yes, why are we upset?


Hacking into a government agency today is the same as physically breaking in and stealing files 50 years ago. Are you saying there’s no issue with that?
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Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:55 pm

Sokes wrote:
It's statement against statement.
I haven't seen proof either way, nor would I be able to judge.

What is Russia's motive?
Would the West do the same? If yes, why are we upset?


https://www.npr.org/2020/12/15/94677671 ... ays-little
https://www.wired.com/story/russia-sola ... s-fallout/

Pentagon: It's Russia
CIA: It's Russia
FBI: It's Russia
MI6: It's Russia
CSIS: It's Russia
MAGA: IT'S CHINA WORKING WITH BIDEN!!!!
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Re: US cyber attacks

Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:56 pm

WIederling wrote:
olle wrote:
Russian subs in Swedish waters was very real;

https://blm.kulturhotell.se/files/origi ... 1f2d5d.jpg

Sweden was actually on the limit to start attacking russian navy outside Sweden during this crisis;

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... eden-24687


Especially that one proably is not what is was said to be at the time:
WP:EN:S-363 wrote:
Interpretations

At the time, the incident was generally seen as a proof of widespread Soviet infiltration of the Swedish coastline;[8] and encouraged Sweden to deploy incident weapons to deter future infiltration.[9]

In an interview in 2006, Vasily Besedin, the political officer on board, gave a different picture. The vessel had dual navigation systems, a well-trained crew and the captain Pyotr Gushchin was amongst the best. On board was staff officer Joseph Avrukevich who was trained in security techniques. Besedin claimed the incident was caused by an error in calculations by the navigation officer.

The area in which the Soviet submarine ran aground was at the time a restricted military zone where no foreign nationals were allowed. The exact location served as one of only two routes that could be used to move bigger ships from the naval base in Karlskrona to open water.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_su ... pretations


Something less known was that swedish subs were very active close to soviet shores as well. There are romours that there was an informal agreement to not sink each others subs.


My source of this is reliable but I cannot give details.
 
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Re: US cyber attacks

Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:03 pm

If you shall attack a country today cyber attack is probably preffered.

Just imagine if I can stop all trains, or make heavy trucks stop..

Right now Russia Israel, USA and China openly practise it with all EU countries joining and soon terrorists smart enough will join.

Special the secrets of US hacking tools is available and a smart group should see that taking a truck or car killing a few people has much less effect then stopping ferries dover calais.
 
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Re: US cyber attacks

Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:39 am

seb146 wrote:
Sokes wrote:
It's statement against statement.
I haven't seen proof either way, nor would I be able to judge.

What is Russia's motive?
Would the West do the same? If yes, why are we upset?


https://www.npr.org/2020/12/15/94677671 ... ays-little
https://www.wired.com/story/russia-sola ... s-fallout/

Pentagon: It's Russia
CIA: It's Russia
FBI: It's Russia
MI6: It's Russia
CSIS: It's Russia
MAGA: IT'S CHINA WORKING WITH BIDEN!!!!


They say it's "Russia, Russia, Russia"... but, I knew it was China all along...

As in, "I knew it was Barzini all long."
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Re: US cyber attacks

Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:43 pm

What do governments do to prevent citizens to become victims of spyware or malware?
If they don't care about affected citizens, they shouldn't cry when they are targeted.
Why can't the world be a little bit more autistic?
 
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Re: US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:36 am

Sokes wrote:
What do governments do to prevent citizens to become victims of spyware or malware?
If they don't care about affected citizens, they shouldn't cry when they are targeted.


Not speaking to other countries, but the United States has to walk a very fine line between security and free speech. As in "it is my GD right to visit this site" and "why didn't anyone warn me about this GD site?" There are plenty of warnings from not only government sites but also private outlets. I could probably hack into someone's account and take everything. I don't because prison. And that word "probably" so everyone calm down. I don't have the patience. I get distracted by shiny things and that super cute Quest Kodiak 100 with a speed pack!!! SQUEEEEE!!!!

See?
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Re: US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:49 am

seb146 wrote:
I could probably hack into someone's account and take everything. I don't because prison.
...
See?

Did you make a joke at the end? I didn't understand.

There are plenty of countries where hackers are quite safe.
There should either be legislation that sites of such countries can't be accessed or the government can't complain if they are targeted.

Edit:
About free speech:
People from such countries can approach foreign newspaper or find a foreign company that checks and publishes their stuff. But somebody has to be legally accountable.
Why can't the world be a little bit more autistic?
 
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Re: US cyber attacks

Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:41 pm

Sokes wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I could probably hack into someone's account and take everything. I don't because prison.
...
See?

Did you make a joke at the end? I didn't understand.


About me being easily distracted? Yes. That was a joke. Also me hacking anything is a joke. I don't have time, I don't have motivation, and I just do not care about doing that sort of thing. I got my own issues to deal with, why would I want to take on someone else's issues also?

I realize there are government agencies whos sole purpose is to hack. And they should be held accountable.
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Re: US cyber attacks

Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:07 am

This could be the moment of moving royal navy from wind to steam or from battle ships to carriers, or for smaller navies to guided missiles.

What if future war will mainly be cyber war and all F35s Migs etc is suddenly obsolete?
 
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Re: US cyber attacks

Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:18 pm

China, according to some highly respected military analysts already has missiles that would likely take out carriers. The basic strategy, carriers cost upward to a trillion, missiles mere millions.
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