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OA260 wrote:
Big changes coming: getting ready 1 January 2021
Even with the new EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement in place, there will be big changes on 1 January 2021.
On that date, the UK will leave the EU Single Market and Customs Union, as well as all EU policies and international agreements. The free movement of persons, goods, services and capital between the UK and the EU will end.
The EU and the UK will form two separate markets; two distinct regulatory and legal spaces. This will create barriers to trade in goods and services and to cross-border mobility and exchanges that do not exist today – in both directions.
Dutchy wrote:
This caught my eye: "UK has agreed to withdraw the contentious clauses of the UK Internal Market Bill, and will not introduce any similar provisions in the Taxation Bill." as expected. Britain has split thanks to Brexit. A great win for our Brexiteers.
The Joint Committee adopted five decisions today, namely:
Four decisions on the Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland (a decision on the practical arrangements for Union presence in Northern Ireland, a decision on goods “not at risk” of entering the EU's Single Market, a decision on the exemption of agricultural and fish subsidies from State aid rules, and a decision to correct some errors and omissions in Annex 2 of the Protocol);
Article 16
Safeguards
If the application of this Protocol leads to serious economic, societal or environmental
difficulties that are liable to persist, or to diversion of trade, the Union or the United Kingdom
may unilaterally take appropriate safeguard measures. Such safeguard measures shall be
restricted with regard to their scope and duration to what is strictly necessary in order to
remedy the situation. Priority shall be given to such measures as will least disturb the
functioning of this Protocol.
A101 wrote:Dutchy wrote:
This caught my eye: "UK has agreed to withdraw the contentious clauses of the UK Internal Market Bill, and will not introduce any similar provisions in the Taxation Bill." as expected. Britain has split thanks to Brexit. A great win for our Brexiteers.
Nope more like common sense was applied at the Joint committee in relation to the NIP, and both side can use Article 16 if any disputes arise in the future,
LJ wrote:This EU overview is also a good summary.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/eu-uk_trade_and_cooperation_agreement-a_new_relationship_with_big_changes-overview_of_consequences_and_benefits.pdf
Dutchy wrote:A101 wrote:Dutchy wrote:
This caught my eye: "UK has agreed to withdraw the contentious clauses of the UK Internal Market Bill, and will not introduce any similar provisions in the Taxation Bill." as expected. Britain has split thanks to Brexit. A great win for our Brexiteers.
Nope more like common sense was applied at the Joint committee in relation to the NIP, and both side can use Article 16 if any disputes arise in the future,
Yes, it is common sense to prevent the Troubles from returning, that's why the EU insisted on it in the WA. You, on the other hand, wanted the WA torn up and just walk away. Now the UK agreed, in essence: one country, two systems.
But I am sure you will find a way to frame it otherwise.
AeroVega wrote:A101 wrote:But if what you are saying is correct and pending the outcome of the FTA, the Tories have just lost my vote if they capitulate to the EU.
But look on the bright side. Brexit has given the UK control of its own laws, control of immigration, the freedom to strike trade deals on its own terms, and a free trade deal with the EU without having to pay into the EU budget.
If I were Norway I would wonder what the point of paying into the EU budget is if the UK can get the same deal without paying into it.
A101 wrote:Dutchy wrote:A101 wrote:
Nope more like common sense was applied at the Joint committee in relation to the NIP, and both side can use Article 16 if any disputes arise in the future,
Yes, it is common sense to prevent the Troubles from returning, that's why the EU insisted on it in the WA. You, on the other hand, wanted the WA torn up and just walk away. Now the UK agreed, in essence: one country, two systems.
But I am sure you will find a way to frame it otherwise.
I still prefer the WA to be rescinded
olle wrote:I put my bet on that there is too much invested in the 'conservative EU UK war'
. Within 12 month uk government will request tobrenogiatevthis deal.
This is armistace 1918 not end of wars.
Klaus wrote:A101 wrote:Dutchy wrote:
Yes, it is common sense to prevent the Troubles from returning, that's why the EU insisted on it in the WA. You, on the other hand, wanted the WA torn up and just walk away. Now the UK agreed, in essence: one country, two systems.
But I am sure you will find a way to frame it otherwise.
I still prefer the WA to be rescinded
Some in Northern Ireland also want the the conflict back. The rest of the world is fortunately in agreement that this would be completely irresponsible.
steveinbc wrote:Free trade is front and centre and red tape is minimal.
JJJ wrote:steveinbc wrote:Free trade is front and centre and red tape is minimal.
That would depend a lot on your activity. Our Japanese supplier with a plant in the UK (chemicals) is already looking for buyers and will supply us from Japan as soon as they get a serious buyer.
A101 wrote:Remains to be seen as o what for th actual bill before the House, just some out takes from the summary
Reasonable aspects of the agreement
81.The Agreement’s provisions in this area, implementing commitments made in the 2019 Political Declaration, were the subject of considerable controversy during the negotiations. The EU was forced to drop its ambitious demands for dynamic alignment and for the UK to be legally required to maintain equivalent legislative systems to the EU’s in some areas. The system that has been agreed upon does not compromise the UK’s sovereignty in any area, does not involve the European Court of Justice in any way, and is reciprocal. Both sides have the right to set their own laws, subject to the broad constraints of this Agreement in this area as in any other. And both sides have the right, in certain constrained ways, and subject to arbitration, to take countermeasures if they believe they are being damaged by measures taken by the other Party in subsidy policy, labour and social policy, or climate and environment policy. If such measures are used too frequently either side can trigger a review of these provisions and the trade aspects of the Treaty more broadly, aiming to end with a different balance of rights and obligations.
84.The Agreement ensures that each Party will have in place its own independent system of subsidy control and that neither Party is bound to follow the rules of the other. It includes some broad principles which shape the design of both sides’ systems, aiming to ensure that the granting of subsidy does not have detrimental effects on trade between the Parties. It also includes some specific principles on subsidies that are particularly distortive, such as those prohibited by the WTO. The Agreement makes clear that it is for each Party to determine how these principles will be implemented in its domestic law. There is a separate joint declaration that provides non- binding guidance on additional sectors which either side may take into consideration in their respective systems of subsidy control.
91.The Agreement includes reciprocal commitments not to reduce the level of protection for workers or fail to enforce employment rights in a manner that has an effect on trade. This is very much in line with similar “non-regression” clauses in other FTAs and with international norms. The provisions are clear that both Parties have the freedom and ability to make their own decisions on how they regulate - meaning that retained EU law will not have a special place on the UK’s statute books. This Chapter is not subject to the Agreement’s main dispute resolution mechanism but will instead be governed by a bespoke Panel of Experts procedure.
This is bad , UKGov certainly dropped the ball on fisheries
125. The Agreement provides for a significant uplift in quota for UK fishers, equal to 25% of the value the EU catch in UK waters. This is worth £146m for the UK fleet phased in over five years. It ends the dependence of the UK fleet on the unfair ‘relative stability’ mechanism enshrined in the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy, and increases the share of the total catch taken in UK waters taken by UK vessels to circa two thirds.
I think it should have been far shorter and a ban like Australia on Supr trawlers from fishing in our waters
126. New quota arrangements will be phased in over five years to allow the respective fleets time to adapt to the changed opportunities. There will be also be an adjustment period for access to waters which provide stable access for 5 1⁄2 years. For the adjustment period, the Agreement also provides access to a limited part of the UK territorial waters for vessels which have traditionally fished in those areas.
127. Under the framework provided for in this Agreement, the UK will conduct annual fisheries negotiations with the EU alongside negotiations with other coastal States and international organisations regarding Total Allowable Catches for shared stock. These negotiations will also cover access arrangements.
128. The agreement includes arrangements for compensation if a Party decides not to grant access to its waters and dispute settlement, in the event that a Party breaches the obligations. All such measures must be commensurate to the economic and social impact caused by the actions of the other party and are subject to arbitration.
130. The Agreement establishes a Specialised Committee on Fisheries which will provide a forum for the UK and the EU to discuss and cooperate on a range of fisheries matters. These include, but are not limited to: cooperation ahead of annual fisheries consultations, multi-year strategies, data-sharing and monitoring and compliance.
131. The Agreement can be terminated at any point with nine months notice. If the Agreement is terminated, any obligations of the Parties will continue until the end of the year.
132. The Agreement also contains provisions on the Crown Dependencies, which providing those jurisdictions so decide, would allow EU vessels to fish in Crown Dependency waters to levels consistent with historic patterns of fishing while ensuring they can benefit from the goods provisions in the Agreement.
Part 6 – Dispute Settlement and Horizontal Provisions
171. This Agreement includes dispute resolution mechanisms that are appropriate for a relationship between sovereign equals. This means that there is no role for the Court of Justice of the European Union. All these mechanisms are fully reciprocal and equally available to both Parties.
172. For certain areas of cooperation there is a process of consultations between the Parties, followed by independent arbitration if there is still disagreement. If the arbitration panel finds that there has been a breach, the Party at fault must either rectify the breach, or agree to provide suitable compensation. If it does not do either, then the other Party can suspend obligations in response to any imbalance identified. Conditions and limitations apply to cross-suspension in some areas.
177. In the event a serious economic, societal or environmental difficulty arises and is likely to persist, the UK or the EU unilaterally may take strictly proportionate and time-limited measures to remedy the situation.
181. Either the UK or EU may decide to terminate the Agreement with 12 months’ notice. This overall termination clause is without prejudice to other termination clauses in the Agreement; certain areas of cooperation have bespoke termination clauses, meaning that either Party can decide to cease cooperation in these areas without the whole agreement being terminated.
olle wrote:A101 wrote:Remains to be seen as o what for th actual bill before the House, just some out takes from the summary
Reasonable aspects of the agreement
81.The Agreement’s provisions in this area, implementing commitments made in the 2019 Political Declaration, were the subject of considerable controversy during the negotiations. The EU was forced to drop its ambitious demands for dynamic alignment and for the UK to be legally required to maintain equivalent legislative systems to the EU’s in some areas. The system that has been agreed upon does not compromise the UK’s sovereignty in any area, does not involve the European Court of Justice in any way, and is reciprocal. Both sides have the right to set their own laws, subject to the broad constraints of this Agreement in this area as in any other. And both sides have the right, in certain constrained ways, and subject to arbitration, to take countermeasures if they believe they are being damaged by measures taken by the other Party in subsidy policy, labour and social policy, or climate and environment policy. If such measures are used too frequently either side can trigger a review of these provisions and the trade aspects of the Treaty more broadly, aiming to end with a different balance of rights and obligations.
84.The Agreement ensures that each Party will have in place its own independent system of subsidy control and that neither Party is bound to follow the rules of the other. It includes some broad principles which shape the design of both sides’ systems, aiming to ensure that the granting of subsidy does not have detrimental effects on trade between the Parties. It also includes some specific principles on subsidies that are particularly distortive, such as those prohibited by the WTO. The Agreement makes clear that it is for each Party to determine how these principles will be implemented in its domestic law. There is a separate joint declaration that provides non- binding guidance on additional sectors which either side may take into consideration in their respective systems of subsidy control.
91.The Agreement includes reciprocal commitments not to reduce the level of protection for workers or fail to enforce employment rights in a manner that has an effect on trade. This is very much in line with similar “non-regression” clauses in other FTAs and with international norms. The provisions are clear that both Parties have the freedom and ability to make their own decisions on how they regulate - meaning that retained EU law will not have a special place on the UK’s statute books. This Chapter is not subject to the Agreement’s main dispute resolution mechanism but will instead be governed by a bespoke Panel of Experts procedure.
This is bad , UKGov certainly dropped the ball on fisheries
125. The Agreement provides for a significant uplift in quota for UK fishers, equal to 25% of the value the EU catch in UK waters. This is worth £146m for the UK fleet phased in over five years. It ends the dependence of the UK fleet on the unfair ‘relative stability’ mechanism enshrined in the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy, and increases the share of the total catch taken in UK waters taken by UK vessels to circa two thirds.
I think it should have been far shorter and a ban like Australia on Supr trawlers from fishing in our waters
126. New quota arrangements will be phased in over five years to allow the respective fleets time to adapt to the changed opportunities. There will be also be an adjustment period for access to waters which provide stable access for 5 1⁄2 years. For the adjustment period, the Agreement also provides access to a limited part of the UK territorial waters for vessels which have traditionally fished in those areas.
127. Under the framework provided for in this Agreement, the UK will conduct annual fisheries negotiations with the EU alongside negotiations with other coastal States and international organisations regarding Total Allowable Catches for shared stock. These negotiations will also cover access arrangements.
128. The agreement includes arrangements for compensation if a Party decides not to grant access to its waters and dispute settlement, in the event that a Party breaches the obligations. All such measures must be commensurate to the economic and social impact caused by the actions of the other party and are subject to arbitration.
130. The Agreement establishes a Specialised Committee on Fisheries which will provide a forum for the UK and the EU to discuss and cooperate on a range of fisheries matters. These include, but are not limited to: cooperation ahead of annual fisheries consultations, multi-year strategies, data-sharing and monitoring and compliance.
131. The Agreement can be terminated at any point with nine months notice. If the Agreement is terminated, any obligations of the Parties will continue until the end of the year.
132. The Agreement also contains provisions on the Crown Dependencies, which providing those jurisdictions so decide, would allow EU vessels to fish in Crown Dependency waters to levels consistent with historic patterns of fishing while ensuring they can benefit from the goods provisions in the Agreement.
Part 6 – Dispute Settlement and Horizontal Provisions
171. This Agreement includes dispute resolution mechanisms that are appropriate for a relationship between sovereign equals. This means that there is no role for the Court of Justice of the European Union. All these mechanisms are fully reciprocal and equally available to both Parties.
172. For certain areas of cooperation there is a process of consultations between the Parties, followed by independent arbitration if there is still disagreement. If the arbitration panel finds that there has been a breach, the Party at fault must either rectify the breach, or agree to provide suitable compensation. If it does not do either, then the other Party can suspend obligations in response to any imbalance identified. Conditions and limitations apply to cross-suspension in some areas.
177. In the event a serious economic, societal or environmental difficulty arises and is likely to persist, the UK or the EU unilaterally may take strictly proportionate and time-limited measures to remedy the situation.
181. Either the UK or EU may decide to terminate the Agreement with 12 months’ notice. This overall termination clause is without prejudice to other termination clauses in the Agreement; certain areas of cooperation have bespoke termination clauses, meaning that either Party can decide to cease cooperation in these areas without the whole agreement being terminated.
The last part with the termination is perfectly written for both EU and UK audience UK will say yhat areas that UK do not like will be terminated while keeping the rest. EU will use this the other way saying that if UK cancel one part UK terminates the rest. We seems to have the same situation like EU swiss where switzerland can cancel peace by peace and in next moment they face cancelled relations with EU.
A101 wrote:olle wrote:A101 wrote:Remains to be seen as o what for th actual bill before the House, just some out takes from the summary
Reasonable aspects of the agreement
81.The Agreement’s provisions in this area, implementing commitments made in the 2019 Political Declaration, were the subject of considerable controversy during the negotiations. The EU was forced to drop its ambitious demands for dynamic alignment and for the UK to be legally required to maintain equivalent legislative systems to the EU’s in some areas. The system that has been agreed upon does not compromise the UK’s sovereignty in any area, does not involve the European Court of Justice in any way, and is reciprocal. Both sides have the right to set their own laws, subject to the broad constraints of this Agreement in this area as in any other. And both sides have the right, in certain constrained ways, and subject to arbitration, to take countermeasures if they believe they are being damaged by measures taken by the other Party in subsidy policy, labour and social policy, or climate and environment policy. If such measures are used too frequently either side can trigger a review of these provisions and the trade aspects of the Treaty more broadly, aiming to end with a different balance of rights and obligations.
84.The Agreement ensures that each Party will have in place its own independent system of subsidy control and that neither Party is bound to follow the rules of the other. It includes some broad principles which shape the design of both sides’ systems, aiming to ensure that the granting of subsidy does not have detrimental effects on trade between the Parties. It also includes some specific principles on subsidies that are particularly distortive, such as those prohibited by the WTO. The Agreement makes clear that it is for each Party to determine how these principles will be implemented in its domestic law. There is a separate joint declaration that provides non- binding guidance on additional sectors which either side may take into consideration in their respective systems of subsidy control.
91.The Agreement includes reciprocal commitments not to reduce the level of protection for workers or fail to enforce employment rights in a manner that has an effect on trade. This is very much in line with similar “non-regression” clauses in other FTAs and with international norms. The provisions are clear that both Parties have the freedom and ability to make their own decisions on how they regulate - meaning that retained EU law will not have a special place on the UK’s statute books. This Chapter is not subject to the Agreement’s main dispute resolution mechanism but will instead be governed by a bespoke Panel of Experts procedure.
This is bad , UKGov certainly dropped the ball on fisheries
125. The Agreement provides for a significant uplift in quota for UK fishers, equal to 25% of the value the EU catch in UK waters. This is worth £146m for the UK fleet phased in over five years. It ends the dependence of the UK fleet on the unfair ‘relative stability’ mechanism enshrined in the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy, and increases the share of the total catch taken in UK waters taken by UK vessels to circa two thirds.
I think it should have been far shorter and a ban like Australia on Supr trawlers from fishing in our waters
126. New quota arrangements will be phased in over five years to allow the respective fleets time to adapt to the changed opportunities. There will be also be an adjustment period for access to waters which provide stable access for 5 1⁄2 years. For the adjustment period, the Agreement also provides access to a limited part of the UK territorial waters for vessels which have traditionally fished in those areas.
127. Under the framework provided for in this Agreement, the UK will conduct annual fisheries negotiations with the EU alongside negotiations with other coastal States and international organisations regarding Total Allowable Catches for shared stock. These negotiations will also cover access arrangements.
128. The agreement includes arrangements for compensation if a Party decides not to grant access to its waters and dispute settlement, in the event that a Party breaches the obligations. All such measures must be commensurate to the economic and social impact caused by the actions of the other party and are subject to arbitration.
130. The Agreement establishes a Specialised Committee on Fisheries which will provide a forum for the UK and the EU to discuss and cooperate on a range of fisheries matters. These include, but are not limited to: cooperation ahead of annual fisheries consultations, multi-year strategies, data-sharing and monitoring and compliance.
131. The Agreement can be terminated at any point with nine months notice. If the Agreement is terminated, any obligations of the Parties will continue until the end of the year.
132. The Agreement also contains provisions on the Crown Dependencies, which providing those jurisdictions so decide, would allow EU vessels to fish in Crown Dependency waters to levels consistent with historic patterns of fishing while ensuring they can benefit from the goods provisions in the Agreement.
Part 6 – Dispute Settlement and Horizontal Provisions
171. This Agreement includes dispute resolution mechanisms that are appropriate for a relationship between sovereign equals. This means that there is no role for the Court of Justice of the European Union. All these mechanisms are fully reciprocal and equally available to both Parties.
172. For certain areas of cooperation there is a process of consultations between the Parties, followed by independent arbitration if there is still disagreement. If the arbitration panel finds that there has been a breach, the Party at fault must either rectify the breach, or agree to provide suitable compensation. If it does not do either, then the other Party can suspend obligations in response to any imbalance identified. Conditions and limitations apply to cross-suspension in some areas.
177. In the event a serious economic, societal or environmental difficulty arises and is likely to persist, the UK or the EU unilaterally may take strictly proportionate and time-limited measures to remedy the situation.
181. Either the UK or EU may decide to terminate the Agreement with 12 months’ notice. This overall termination clause is without prejudice to other termination clauses in the Agreement; certain areas of cooperation have bespoke termination clauses, meaning that either Party can decide to cease cooperation in these areas without the whole agreement being terminated.
The last part with the termination is perfectly written for both EU and UK audience UK will say yhat areas that UK do not like will be terminated while keeping the rest. EU will use this the other way saying that if UK cancel one part UK terminates the rest. We seems to have the same situation like EU swiss where switzerland can cancel peace by peace and in next moment they face cancelled relations with EU.
I find it interesting that the EU allowed a number of termination agreements littered within the agreement if the summary is correct, the UK can literally walk away from what has been agreed without compromising the entire agreement.
Actually shocked if the EU allowed that in.
olle wrote:UK service suppliers no longer benefit from the
‘country-of-origin’ approach or ‘passporting’
concept (e.g. for financial services), which enable
automatic access to the entire EU Single Market
‣ No more automatic recognition of professional
qualifications: Doctors, nurses, dentists,
pharmacists, vets, engineers or architects must
have their qualifications recognised in each Member
State they wish to practice
Did not Boris say the oposite?
What am I missing here?
olle wrote:Regarding dynamic alignment this is replaced with a verification if UK differ to much with a few years between as I understand. I do not see any differense. If UK fail the test the result will be the same. But now it is under a international court and if the international court is too UK influenced EU will further or later walk away.
olle wrote:After 1 of jan UK now is third country will this have additional impact?
olle wrote:How is UK automotive industry doing righg now? Will they be able to produce without stop duting q1 and q2?
LJ wrote:olle wrote:UK service suppliers no longer benefit from the
‘country-of-origin’ approach or ‘passporting’
concept (e.g. for financial services), which enable
automatic access to the entire EU Single Market
‣ No more automatic recognition of professional
qualifications: Doctors, nurses, dentists,
pharmacists, vets, engineers or architects must
have their qualifications recognised in each Member
State they wish to practice
Did not Boris say the oposite?
What am I missing here?
You're missing the emphasis both the EU document as Boris JOhnson/UKGov document are right. However, the EU document focusses on the general rule whereas Boris Johnson/UKGov document highlight the exemptions and the fact that though qualifications are not recognised, it doesn't mean one cannot act in a certain profession (as also mentioned in the EU document where it states that qualifications can be recognized by Member States).. Both the EU and UK need to sell this deal for its audience and thus highlight what they need to highlight in order to sell the deal to their audience. The trick is to look for what's not highlighted/communicated or what's missing as that's where the problems start. Your example shows that. Boris Johnson/UKGov document highlight that UK professionals can work in the EU (which is correct as they can when agreed by a Memver State), whereas the EU document highlights the fact that professionals loose their qualifications but a Member State can recognize it. Therefore, one should always read the legal text (which most people will never do).
frmrCapCadet wrote:Olle - shhhh! Boris is working to pass the bill now.
olle wrote:Now brexiteer press start to read the agreement:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13766 ... ration-spt
scbriml wrote:olle wrote:Now brexiteer press start to read the agreement:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13766 ... ration-spt
I'm shocked!
Klaus wrote:So in short:
• None of the unicorms promised before the referendum have been delivered (hint: unicorns don't exist, never have and this has been pointed out ad nauseam).
• The deal is pretty exactly what everyone with any contact with reality had predicted all along simply because it is the only possible deal.
• The UK doesn't actually win anything. It's degradation, added cost, added red tape, added impediments and inferior international deals and relations all around, with nothing positive to show for it.
• The EU will have to cope with the self-imposed decline of an important third country but in the grand scheme of things there are much bigger fish to fry.
• As predicted, none of the brexiters' fantasies of damaging, destroying and undermining the EU has come to pass, simply because the EU has no interest in that kind of deal and trust in the UK is at an all-time low.
• Inescapably in real life, the UK has to stick with the standards and rules set by the European Union, now due to Brexit with zero say about them but with an utterly pointless and very expensive added Brexit layer of domestic british red tape all over it.
• Boris Johnson and his posse of unemployable incompetents have at least made their own career goals. That is the only actual win in this and that was the main purpose of the exercise, so they don't care about the scorched earth all across their country.
None of this is any kind of surprise and you can trawl the depths of all tose Brexit threads to find exactly this being predicted from way before the referendum, actually, but the brexiters kept chasing fantasies and delusions which have now crashed into reality like a toy paper boat into a rock.
This is not a failure of Brexit, it is Brexit itself which has always been an inherent failure all along.
Okay, now britons (and scots) will need to come to terms with this catastrophic self-inflicted failure but for us in the European Union life just goes on.
A101 wrote:125. The Agreement provides for a significant uplift in quota for UK fishers, equal to 25% of the value the EU catch in UK waters. This is worth £146m for the UK fleet phased in over five years. It ends the dependence of the UK fleet on the unfair ‘relative stability’ mechanism enshrined in the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy, and increases the share of the total catch taken in UK waters taken by UK vessels to circa two thirds.
Grizzly410 wrote:A101 wrote:125. The Agreement provides for a significant uplift in quota for UK fishers, equal to 25% of the value the EU catch in UK waters. This is worth £146m for the UK fleet phased in over five years. It ends the dependence of the UK fleet on the unfair ‘relative stability’ mechanism enshrined in the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy, and increases the share of the total catch taken in UK waters taken by UK vessels to circa two thirds.
I don't get how the mechanism works exactly, but in the end UK got bigger quotas. Right ?
Quite logical given fisheries was presumably the strongest UK card thanks to the size of its waters.
What I'd like to understand is what UK will do with more quotas. I think it's no news for anyone on this board that only Scotland make use of its quotas, England was selling more than half of its quota allocation, Wales and NI nearly 100%, to foreign fishers.
I think I've read somewhere UK wanted to force the ffishing rights buyers to employ UK citizens. That's nice to please the brexiteers audience, but given there is no britons to harvest food in th fields, I'm not quite sure where to find some to jump on fishing boats(it's way tougher, and not really better paid)
Call me cynic but it feels like a nice part of newly gained fishing rights will be allocated to the same family who are making a lot of money doing nothing else than trading them.
olle wrote:Now brexiteer press start to read the agreement:
Brexit deal betrayal: EU reserves right to 'suspend deal' if UK drifts away from ECHR
THE EU reserves the right to suspend the Brexit deal if the UK drifts away from the European Courts of Human Rights, it has emerged.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13766 ... ration-spt
olle wrote:Now brexiteer press start to read the agreement:
Brexit deal betrayal: EU reserves right to 'suspend deal' if UK drifts away from ECHR
THE EU reserves the right to suspend the Brexit deal if the UK drifts away from the European Courts of Human Rights, it has emerged.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13766 ... ration-spt
flyingturtle wrote:Hahahahahahaha! UK must guarantee the ECHR protections anyway. At least to the people of Northern Ireland. Thanks to the GFA...
Title XII – Other provisions
157. The Agreement sets out the specific circumstances in which either Party can suspend or terminate this area of cooperation, reflecting the different nature of this Part. For example, in addition to being able to terminate the law enforcement Part for any reason, either Party may suspend cooperation where it considers there are serious and systemic deficiencies in the way the other Party is protecting fundamental rights, the rule of law or data protection.
frmrCapCadet wrote:the UK will slowly diverge from EU standards, and the EU will slowly add tariffs and quit trading with the UK, and borders will increasingly tighten. This is not how the Brexiters sold withdrawal from the EU. I doubt that any UK political party could survive all of that.
A101 wrote:It’s only a summary so its quite literally open to interpretation. I’m not sure how it works either UKGov is saying w control the waters but where does the quotas actually come from?
Is it existing CFP quota for overall catch or is it that the UK decision for catch year in year out and the quota based on it.
As always the devil is in the detail and I’ve yet to see any legal text.
LJ wrote:BTW I wonder till they realize that GDPR will be required for many parts of the agreement. It's not mentioned explictly but I recall I read the phrase "existing data regulation" (or similar), whch anyone can figure out hwat's meant (GDPR). The UKGov and EU document contain many more of these nice phrases which cover up the fact that the UK signs on on follwoing some EU regulations.
LJ wrote:I must admit, if I would be able to draft these kind of texts, I would be much higher in seniority of our company (and earn a lot more). Then again, my manager loves me for translating these types of texts into what it actually says.
The Agreement also includes a commitment by the EU and UK to uphold high levels of data protection standards. This will be ascertained by adequacy decisions taken unilaterally by each side.
Close and comprehensive police and judicial cooperation with any third country must be accompanied by solid and lasting guarantees for the protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms of individuals. The Agreement therefore commits the EU, its Member States and the UK to continue to protect and give domestic effect to fundamental rights, such as those set out in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). In case of non-adherence by the UK, the EU will be able to suspend cooperation on law enforcement and judicial matters. The Agreement also includes a commitment by the EU and UK to uphold high levels of data protection standards. This will be ascertained by adequacy decisions taken unilaterally by each side.
noviorbis77 wrote:https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-priti-patel-says-new-border-controls-will-make-uk-safer-and-more-secure-12172609
EU nationals will need a passport to enter the UK from October.
Pity about SISII. I would have thought the EU would have cared more about things like possible abducted children leaving the European Union. But there you go.
Tugger wrote:How exactly does the EU have trade with the rest of the world, which does not follow or fall under the ECHR? For example I do believe the EU does have extensive trade with China? Doesn't that mean the ECHR is toothless as a "requirement" for trade?
Tugg