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Re: Other country's anthems

Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:26 pm

marcelh wrote:
Officially, the European anthem has no lyrics.
That's only to avoid endless discussions on why the anthem has German lyrics and not French/Spanish/English/Dutch/Papiamento/Morse/Braille/<insert your language of choise here>.

The lyrics are from 1783, the symphonie is from 1823.
Both predate the EU by well over a century, so, yes, it does have lyrics.
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Re: Other country's anthems

Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:51 pm

Music is one thing, lyrics another, and an anthem still another. These lyrics having no link to Europe don't make sense for the EU anthem. If there were lyrics they would talk about European unity, cooperation, etc.
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Re: Other country's anthems

Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:03 pm

Aesma wrote:
These lyrics having no link to Europe don't make sense for the EU anthem.
Maybe we should use "The final countdown" by Europe!

Instead of the usual brass fanfates, get some electric guitars at every official state visit and every international sports tournament! See if we can blow the roofs of palaces and stadiums worldwide!

Heck, if Brexit is an indicator for the future, it might well be the final countdown for the EU! LOL
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Re: Other country's anthems

Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:35 pm

Aesma wrote:
Music is one thing, lyrics another, and an anthem still another. These lyrics having no link to Europe don't make sense for the EU anthem. If there were lyrics they would talk about European unity, cooperation, etc.


They are about "how to live together". very European!
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Re: Other country's anthems

Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:28 am

I had always thought there was an unspoken agreement about not using Ode to Joy as an anthem given its universalist message. I know when Rhodesia declared independence, they used the Ode to Joy melody in their anthem which was broadly criticized.
 
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Re: Other country's anthems

Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:13 am

You haven’t paid attention, the EU is hip again!


petertenthije wrote:
Aesma wrote:
These lyrics having no link to Europe don't make sense for the EU anthem.
Maybe we should use "The final countdown" by Europe!

Instead of the usual brass fanfates, get some electric guitars at every official state visit and every international sports tournament! See if we can blow the roofs of palaces and stadiums worldwide!

Heck, if Brexit is an indicator for the future, it might well be the final countdown for the EU! LOL
 
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Re: Other country's anthems

Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:57 pm

WIederling wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
The Dutch national anthem is the worst. They sing about "we are Germans"... :roll:


I am Wilhelm of Nassau, of German derivation. ( true: house of Nassau-Dillenburg, rather modern people at the time.)

compare to Norway when they coopted a french general to reign as king.

I don't understand what you say.
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Re: Other country's anthems

Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:51 pm

Trinidad and Tobago's anthem was voted the best at one point if I recall
 
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Re: Other country's anthems

Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:16 pm

petertenthije wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Officially, the European anthem has no lyrics.
That's only to avoid endless discussions on why the anthem has German lyrics and not French/Spanish/English/Dutch/Papiamento/Morse/Braille/<insert your language of choise here>.

The lyrics are from 1783, the symphonie is from 1823.
Both predate the EU by well over a century, so, yes, it does have lyrics.


The official stance of the EU is that it the anthem has NO official lyrics to it, and that no singing happens when it is played at official ceremonies.

https://europa.eu/european-union/about- ... /anthem_en

Although with the lyrics it even more uplifting, especially in Latin.
It has something religous over it then even, IMHO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWU0NHm1Xg

Other than that, my personal top 3:
1 La Marseillaise
2 USSR/Russian Federation
3 GDR
 
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Re: Other country's anthems

Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:27 pm

WIederling wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
The Dutch national anthem is the worst. They sing about "we are Germans"... :roll:


compare to Norway when they coopted a french general to reign as king.


We democratically elected a danish prince that was also married to Queen Victoria’s granddaughter and closely related to the swedish royalty.
Pre-EU european politics at it’s best;-)
 
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Re: Other country's anthems

Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:53 pm

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flyguy89 wrote:
Hmmm, would be difficult for me to rank and also depends on the particular performance and/or arrangement. I do really like the Star Spangled Banner when done well (Whitney Houston's performance was tops), but also really like:
- La Marseillaise (France)
- O Canada
- Marcia Real (Spain)
- Kong Kristian (royal anthem of Denmark)
- Advance Australia Fair

Honorable mentions would be Russia (current one and God Save the Tsar are both solid) and Poland.



Especially since the Spanish anthem has no words


Because Spain do not agree to sing in Castillano... Spain has several languages.
 
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Re: Other country's anthems

Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:01 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
The Dutch national anthem is the worst. They sing about "we are Germans"... :roll:

You missed the part about honoring the King of Spain. Or you have missed it completely and don’t have a clue about the origin of this anthem (16th century).


Yes, there's the Spanish King in it too. Even more reason to replace this anthem with something new.

No, it's a good anthem don't touch.
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Re: Other country's anthems

Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:04 pm

Evening all,

Since Coronavirus has relegated most of us to our homes, I have developed an interest in national anthems. You can tell that I enjoy the rugby!

In no particular order, mine are:

    - United States, 'The Star-Spangled Banner';
    - Scotland, 'Flower of Scotland';
    - United Kingdom, 'God Save the Queen';
    - Canada, 'O Canada';
    - Australia, 'Advance Australia Fair';
    - South Africa, national anthem since 1997;
    - France, 'La Marseillaise'.

Honourable (unofficial) mentions include:
    - Ireland, 'Ireland's Call';
    - United Kingdom, 'I Vow to Thee My Country'
    - Australia, 'I am Australian'

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Re: Other country's anthems

Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:46 pm

I've always liked national anthems.

The greatest, of course, has to be La Marsellaise. I always feel that judging national anthems is like judging a baby competition; it's kind of horrible to say that one child is more beautiful than another, as it to say one country's anthem is lesser than another's. But the French still have the best one.

If I had to name some of my favourites, they would be as follows - though in no particular order (my own - the Irish - excepted for this purpose, given the thread title!)
1. Italy
2. Israel
3. Norway
4. Russia
5. The U.S.A
6. Poland
7. Mexico
8. Australia
9. India

When I was about 11 (back in 1981), I spent about three months in Kuwait; it was where my interest in aviation began. I have very happy memories of my time there. Every day, the national television station would start with the national anthem. It's never going to be regarded as one of the world's greatest; it may not be great from a technical musical standpoint (I am certainly no one to judge), but it's an expression of love for their country by their people - which is really what it's all about - and I think it's rather nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bOcrc-AZs
 
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Re: Other country's anthems

Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:38 pm

Olddog wrote:
I thought Bernadotte went in Sweden ?


Well in Europe all royal families are more or less related anyway so while correct it doesn't make a big difference.

I really like the Canadia national anthem, here sung by Celine Dion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMeZgnkBb8

N'Kosi Sikeleli (South Africa) is also very nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFW7845XO3g

However my favourite anthem is the unofficial Scottish anthem Scotland the brave played by a bagpipe band.
This version features a short version played by the Pipes and Drums of the Scots Guards. https://youtu.be/2ksG63oUR_Q?t=383
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