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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:14 pm

UK fishers can't fish what Britons eat, since it's not in UK waters : https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13832 ... c.outbrain

You can't make this up !
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:14 pm

olle wrote:
Did not someone inform them?

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The 71-year-old former shipyard worker from Newcastle said: "I feel badly let down.

"We paid a mortgage for 20 years to have a holiday home and a retirement bolt-hole for the winter.

"We're limited to just 90 days now, and that's not just for Spain, but anywhere we go in Europe on holiday.

"Say we cross from Newcastle to the Netherlands, that's counted.

"So you're already being restricted by time to come back into the UK."

Ex-pat Michel Euesden, who runs the Euro Weekly newspaper in the resort town of Fuengirola, told the BBC: "Our removal companies have never been busier. Every removal company across this coast has told our team they've never seen a situation like this.

"It's the first time in 25 years since we started the paper here that we've seen removal companies fully booked going out and coming back in.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13831 ... s-eu-rules


It's amazing, sad, yet depressingly predictable all at once. Many who want a nice holiday home in Spain also voted for Brexit - and you can tell straight away when they're being interviewed.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:35 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
olle wrote:
Did not someone inform them?

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The 71-year-old former shipyard worker from Newcastle said: "I feel badly let down.

"We paid a mortgage for 20 years to have a holiday home and a retirement bolt-hole for the winter.

"We're limited to just 90 days now, and that's not just for Spain, but anywhere we go in Europe on holiday.

"Say we cross from Newcastle to the Netherlands, that's counted.

"So you're already being restricted by time to come back into the UK."

Ex-pat Michel Euesden, who runs the Euro Weekly newspaper in the resort town of Fuengirola, told the BBC: "Our removal companies have never been busier. Every removal company across this coast has told our team they've never seen a situation like this.

"It's the first time in 25 years since we started the paper here that we've seen removal companies fully booked going out and coming back in.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13831 ... s-eu-rules


It's amazing, sad, yet depressingly predictable all at once. Many who want a nice holiday home in Spain also voted for Brexit - and you can tell straight away when they're being interviewed.


They believed that nothing would change. Holiday home in Spain is one thing, but there are business owners who are dependent on EU in- and export who basically voted themselves out of business. It is really sad, believing the liars, believing in unicorns.

Welcome to the Brexit
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:31 pm

The EU made a 4,24billion euro fund available to compensate businesses and countries for Brexit. Among the sectors most hit: transport companies and the fish industry.

Link in Dutch
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:55 pm

Dutchy wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
olle wrote:
Did not someone inform them?

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The 71-year-old former shipyard worker from Newcastle said: "I feel badly let down.

"We paid a mortgage for 20 years to have a holiday home and a retirement bolt-hole for the winter.

"We're limited to just 90 days now, and that's not just for Spain, but anywhere we go in Europe on holiday.

"Say we cross from Newcastle to the Netherlands, that's counted.

"So you're already being restricted by time to come back into the UK."

Ex-pat Michel Euesden, who runs the Euro Weekly newspaper in the resort town of Fuengirola, told the BBC: "Our removal companies have never been busier. Every removal company across this coast has told our team they've never seen a situation like this.

"It's the first time in 25 years since we started the paper here that we've seen removal companies fully booked going out and coming back in.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13831 ... s-eu-rules


It's amazing, sad, yet depressingly predictable all at once. Many who want a nice holiday home in Spain also voted for Brexit - and you can tell straight away when they're being interviewed.


They believed that nothing would change. Holiday home in Spain is one thing, but there are business owners who are dependent on EU in- and export who basically voted themselves out of business. It is really sad, believing the liars, believing in unicorns.

Welcome to the Brexit


You know, you are completely right.

Some people did probably vote without realising what Brexit means in terms of living abroad amongst other things.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:44 pm

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You know, you are completely right.

Some people did probably vote without realising what Brexit means in terms of living abroad amongst other things.


Yes, indeed, among other things like believing that 350million to the NHS will save their local hospital or believing that the UK would never leave the SIngle market/custom union. Gives some context to the narrow "victory" of the Brexiteers.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:18 pm

UK minister of fishing says she did not read the agreement because she prepared a party.

UK ministers could or should have read A.net and they would had been informed.

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Fishing minister Victoria Prentis yesterday said she did not read the deal when it was published on Christmas Eve because she was busy having festive fun. She said, rather than assessing the deal ahead of a crucial vote, she was "very busy organising local Nativity trail".

But appearing before a Commons committee, she added: “I think the deal is a good one for the UK, in fisheries terms, it’s true to say that we had, as an industry, dreamed some pretty big dreams and in some cases it’s true to say that we didn’t get everything we asked for.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ia-prentis
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:27 pm

I had planned to ask our british friends here how they were enjoying their 3% extra fish, but, given all that's going on, that would probably be a little insensitive.

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Don't worry though: she knew what she was voting for!

olle wrote:
Fishing minister Victoria Prentis yesterday said she did not read the deal when it was published on Christmas Eve because she was busy having festive fun. She said, rather than assessing the deal ahead of a crucial vote, she was "very busy organising local Nativity trail".

But appearing before a Commons committee, she added: “I think the deal is a good one for the UK, in fisheries terms, it’s true to say that we had, as an industry, dreamed some pretty big dreams and in some cases it’s true to say that we didn’t get everything we asked for.”


You just couldn't make this stuff up!
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:31 pm

She probably still hasn't read it and will never read it, just like everyone in this cabinet of dumbos.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:55 pm

It seems like direct connections Ireland EU / France being set up in big numbers and Irish haulers avoids UK.

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DUBLIN — Ferry companies in Ireland are pulling some of their newest, biggest vessels from British routes to boost “Brexit buster” services direct to the Continent.

Such sea routes were unpopular before Brexit, when the U.K. landbridge linking Dover in southeast England with Holyhead in Wales gave truckers a much faster path between Ireland and the Continent.

But after new U.K.-EU trade rules kicked in January 1, a dysfunctional New Year’s rollout of customs checks is driving unprecedented demand for alternatives that avoid the hassle of Britain.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ferry-f ... and-to-eu/
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:04 pm

Jacob Rees-Mogg, told MPs: "The key is we've got our fish back. They're now British fish. They're better and happier fish for it.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... pier-fish/
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:04 pm

[threeid][/threeid]Meanwhile, to circumvent the red tape on British exports, Scottish fishermen are landing their catch directly in the Denmark, EU.

Because of red tape and queues fish landed in the UK is no longer fresh when it reaches European customers.

'Seafood From Scotland' said prices for many species of seafood have fallen 40% to 50% just this week, with some dropping as much as 80% even!

“Boris Johnson probably forgot to explain what leaving the EU would mean for fishermen’s ability to sell to the European market”.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... it-fallout
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:55 am

The UK EU FTA has decreased UK export to EU by 30% total UK trade by 13%


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Exports to the EU will plunge by more than one-third because of Boris Johnson’s hard Brexit trade deal, a new study predicts.

Total UK trade will nosedive by 13 per cent, according to the London School of Economics (LSE) analysis, making a mockery of the government’s claims of a buccaneering “Global Britain” outside the bloc

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 87338.html
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:04 am

olle wrote:
Jacob Rees-Mogg, told MPs: "The key is we've got our fish back. They're now British fish. They're better and happier fish for it.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... pier-fish/


Most are happier as nobody is trying to get them caught (as long as they stay in UK waters) and thus don't end up in a French restaurant being eaten. Maybe we should tell all shellfish that they should migrate to UK waters instead of EU waters. It will save their life.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:56 am

LJ wrote:
olle wrote:
Jacob Rees-Mogg, told MPs: "The key is we've got our fish back. They're now British fish. They're better and happier fish for it.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... pier-fish/


Most are happier as nobody is trying to get them caught (as long as they stay in UK waters) and thus don't end up in a French restaurant being eaten. Maybe we should tell all shellfish that they should migrate to UK waters instead of EU waters. It will save their life.


The most interesting is that we here at A.net saw this happening last year but the UK minister of fishing did not recognizing this before this week.

The most happy of this is probably ports in countries like Denmark where the UK fishermen go with their fish to land it withing SM. So we now have a situation that the smart UK fishermen fish their fish and instead of making their home towns getting the profit an making UK export the fish, EU ports is the big winners beside the fish.

UK ports handling Irish haulers and maintaining ferries is also being shortcut for direct Ireland EU connections meaning that working opportunities in UK leaves to Ireland and France.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:12 pm

And we know a great source of modern hightech ships that can be converted to freighters for the Irish/mainland EU trade. (see cruise liner thread. LOL)
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:27 pm

Dutchy wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
olle wrote:
Did not someone inform them?

-------------------------------------------

The 71-year-old former shipyard worker from Newcastle said: "I feel badly let down.

"We paid a mortgage for 20 years to have a holiday home and a retirement bolt-hole for the winter.

"We're limited to just 90 days now, and that's not just for Spain, but anywhere we go in Europe on holiday.

"Say we cross from Newcastle to the Netherlands, that's counted.

"So you're already being restricted by time to come back into the UK."

Ex-pat Michel Euesden, who runs the Euro Weekly newspaper in the resort town of Fuengirola, told the BBC: "Our removal companies have never been busier. Every removal company across this coast has told our team they've never seen a situation like this.

"It's the first time in 25 years since we started the paper here that we've seen removal companies fully booked going out and coming back in.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13831 ... s-eu-rules


It's amazing, sad, yet depressingly predictable all at once. Many who want a nice holiday home in Spain also voted for Brexit - and you can tell straight away when they're being interviewed.


They believed that nothing would change. Holiday home in Spain is one thing, but there are business owners who are dependent on EU in- and export who basically voted themselves out of business. It is really sad, believing the liars, believing in unicorns.

Welcome to the Brexit


But this is a good thing, less money spent in the EU more money spent in the UK. They should sell the property in the UK and buy something on the coast in the UK. It is a win-win for the UK.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:33 pm

How is selling a property in the UK and buying something on the coast in the UK a win win.

Besides who would buy a holiday home in the UK. Surely you would just go to a hotel.

Besides the weather in Spain is good for most of the year. In the UK, it is very doubtful between October and April.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:33 pm

Genuine question : did UK people historically eat more fish ? And maybe with increasing income switched to eating more meat ?

I get that things can be more popular some places and less in others, but I don't get how basically nobody in the UK eat shellfish.

I saw a graph on twitter showing that UK citizens spent very little money on food so that might be an explanation.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:46 pm

Fish used to be a poor man's meal.

Hence eating Fish on Friday.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:51 pm

bennett123 wrote:
How is selling a property in the UK and buying something on the coast in the UK a win win.

Besides who would buy a holiday home in the UK. Surely you would just go to a hotel.

Besides the weather in Spain is good for most of the year. In the UK, it is very doubtful between October and April.


It's only a win for the government really as you may have to pay stamp duty which is basically money for nothing... And it's a loss for locals if people from other parts of the Uk buying holiday homes drives up the price of property.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:12 pm

Well, I guess there will be nice deals to make in Spain for the ones that can afford theses homes....
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:39 pm

Olddog wrote:
Well, I guess there will be nice deals to make in Spain for the ones that can afford theses homes....


I did that 3 years ago when negotiations went bad UK EU.

UK citizens in Torrevieja, Alicante was desperate and I got a nice department 100 meters from beaches Playa de la cura and Playa los locos (one of the nicest areas) for 20% below market price from a lady from UK desperate to get home.

I had cash after selling an department in Chile a few month before and offered a fast business.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:14 pm

Aesma wrote:
Genuine question : did UK people historically eat more fish ? And maybe with increasing income switched to eating more meat ?

I get that things can be more popular some places and less in others, but I don't get how basically nobody in the UK eat shellfish.

I saw a graph on twitter showing that UK citizens spent very little money on food so that might be an explanation.


I'm quoting from some vague memories here, so it might not be accurate, but I heard something like this...

Historically, communities were clustered around the coast and and rivers so the diet was actually quite seafood based for most people. The less-populated interior of the British Isles was mostly woodland under control of the various lords, knights, etc. ruling their own fiefdoms. As such, the rich enjoyed hunting and had a very meat-heavy diet. By medieval times, the amount of meat and poultry in your diet was a show of your wealth and standing - so the larger and more extravagant the feast you held in your castle, the more important you were. Meat has become something aspirational.

Farming brought the general population inland, but a few animals as livestock still only allowed you to eat meat occasionally during the year - which tended to be saved for special occasions. Hence the Sunday Roast and the Christmas Dinner. Meat is seen as something of a luxury. Fish is still consumed in large quantities around the coast, but more of the population is now on a crop and dairy farming based diet, with occasional meat.

In the post-war era, farming ramps up meat production so that this "luxury" is now readily available. Everyone expects to eat meat all the time. Fish goes out of fashion.

So as I understand it, it starts as a kind of a fashion statement thing: meat for the rich, fish for the poor, but then it becomes normalised - as a population becomes wealthier everyone wants to eat a lot of meat. In fact, this is something you see across the globe. Factory farming, supermarkets and fast food chains all add to that perception in modern times.

I think the Mediterranean countries may be a bit of an outlier since they tend to be fiercely conservative when it comes to food traditions and local produce. Britain might have gone a bit further than much of Europe as it went through bigger social changes, faster and earlier during the Industrial Revolution.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:03 pm

It seems that City bankers never learn. It's only a few days and the City is actively looking for loopholes and circumventing EU rules. The thing is, anyone dealing with the ECB, ESMA or any other EU based financial regulator would know that these institutions are very allergic towards this type of behaviour. Thus if the City really wants all those deals with the EU, the behaviour of some of its traders is not very supportive. They can only hope that the ECB just doesn't issue another regulation which will restrict their business even more. Then again, they're City bankers and they cannot comprehend how to behave when dealing with the EU institutions (my apologies for this personal rant).

Others may also just be trying to finesse the system. Less than two weeks after Brexit fully kicked in, European regulators raised a red flag. U.K. financiers are resorting to “questionable practices” to improperly preserve the status quo, the Paris-based European Securities and Markets Authority said in a statement Wednesday.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-driving-top-dealmakers-london-080000098.html?.tsrc=fin-srch
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:14 pm

Olddog wrote:
OA260 wrote:


A guy that was pro leave, voted for brexit, tells others to move on. What a surprise!!!!


He won and needs to get over it.

OA260 wrote:
First lorries cross into France as Britain and Europe wake to new Brexit reality

No early signs of chaos as trucks haul goods across the new customs border

Moments after the UK left the EU with an 11th-hour deal, the first trucks hauling goods across the new customs border presented their clearance documents to French agents before loading on to a train to pass through the Eurotunnel.

With Britain having finally quit the EU single market and customs union, there were no early signs of feared chaos at the border in the first hours of 1 January 2021.


Well that aged badly.

sabenapilot wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Evoking memories of the soviet Berlin blockade – just this time it's not the soviets, it's the brexiters against their own country.


2.5 million civilians had no access to food, medicine, fuel, electricity and other basic goods. Hardly comparable and a bit over dramatic if not a tad distasteful.


Load is said to be mainly fresh food for the supermarkets in and around B'ham which fear their deliveries will be delayed for too long.

Lufthansa has also been flying to Sheffield with a 777F to supply 80 tons of fruit and vegetables to British supermarkets:
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/busi ... ean-union/


“It’s okay, Grandad, it’s just the Germans saving us with an airdrop.”

Boeing74741R wrote:
I highly doubt the EU or any EU nation would be against an independent Scotland joining the EU.


EU distain of Scotland is really only something that exists in the minds of English Nationalists.

olle wrote:
Jacob Rees-Mogg, told MPs: "The key is we've got our fish back. They're now British fish. They're better and happier fish for it.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... pier-fish/


So the crown jewels of Brexit Benefits - fishing - turns out actually to be a damp squid.....but don't worry it's all ok because in the Brexiteers world-view the fish now have Blue Passports? :banghead: What an absolute embarrassment to the UK.

Olddog wrote:
Well, I guess there will be nice deals to make in Spain for the ones that can afford theses homes....


:checkmark: My parents were very excited about the prospect of this.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:26 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Fish used to be a poor man's meal.

Hence eating Fish on Friday.


Eating fish on Friday was mainly driven by religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_Fast
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:32 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Fish used to be a poor man's meal.

Hence eating Fish on Friday.

That's a religious thing and nothing to do with being poor. Friday is a fast day in the catholic and eastern orthodox churches so they refrain from eating animal meat. Because fish is cold blooded it's considered not to be meat, so they can eat it. Hence fish on a Friday.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:16 am

Meanwhile, the immediate successes of Brexit keep piling up:

While thousands of traders and salespeople from middle management have already made the move to the EU, the next wave is likely to include the high-flyers who advise on strategy, mergers and capital raising, say more than a dozen officials at global institutions. For those dealmakers who will be on the move, the issue is one of access. Bankers in London can no longer directly pitch transactions or capital-raising operations to corporate clients on the continent. They require the involvement of a so-called chaperone -- a colleague within the EU to make the first move to contact the client with a business idea.

Senior investment bankers said in interviews that the first few days of the year were marked by compliance classes for them, getting drilled on the changes faced by a sovereign Britain that would further erode London’s significance. The prospect of losing a highly paid cadre of taxpayers is particularly bad news for the U.K., since it relies so much on financial services for revenue


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nto-the-eu
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:23 am

And the Scottish fishing lobby is feeling betrayed by Johnson too:

- overall the quota available for fishermen did not increase, contrary to promisses from Brexiteers
- the UK is still lacking agreements with EEA countries to continue fishing in their waters, holding many ships at dock
- tons of new red tape prevents UK fishermen to export fish quickly (and fresh) to the EU
- sale prices have plummeted, putting many companies at risk of failure.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ium-europe

The Tories are making a success of Brexit, it seems....

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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:22 am

sabenapilot wrote:
Meanwhile, the immediate successes of Brexit keep piling up:

While thousands of traders and salespeople from middle management have already made the move to the EU, the next wave is likely to include the high-flyers who advise on strategy, mergers and capital raising, say more than a dozen officials at global institutions. For those dealmakers who will be on the move, the issue is one of access. Bankers in London can no longer directly pitch transactions or capital-raising operations to corporate clients on the continent. They require the involvement of a so-called chaperone -- a colleague within the EU to make the first move to contact the client with a business idea.

Senior investment bankers said in interviews that the first few days of the year were marked by compliance classes for them, getting drilled on the changes faced by a sovereign Britain that would further erode London’s significance. The prospect of losing a highly paid cadre of taxpayers is particularly bad news for the U.K., since it relies so much on financial services for revenue


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nto-the-eu


with news like this I see negotiations on services will be slow.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:27 am

sabenapilot wrote:
And the Scottish fishing lobby is feeling betrayed by Johnson too:

- overall the quota available for fishermen did not increase, contrary to promisses from Brexiteers
- the UK is still lacking agreements with EEA countries to continue fishing in their waters, holding many ships at dock
- tons of new red tape prevents UK fishermen to export fish quickly (and fresh) to the EU
- sale prices have plummeted, putting many companies at risk of failure.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ium-europe

The Tories are making a success of Brexit, it seems....

.



In december brexiteers suggested fish sold frozen or other markets. Why is that not executed?
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:44 am

According to British media it is the EU who is on the bring of collapse: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ny-vaccine
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:53 am

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According to British media it is the EU who is on the bring of collapse: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ny-vaccine


Last week it was Italy, Sweden probably forgetting something.

Polish and Hungary government is furious with EU for pushing them to follow human rights, stay democratic etc.

Hungary has been furious also at the states like Sweden pushing the agenda that they need to follow rule of law and racism;

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Hungary's ambassador to Sweden has been called for a Wednesday meeting with the Swedish foreign office after an escalating war of words between ministers in the two countries moved up a notch.

This weekend, Hungary's deputy prime minister Zsolt Semjen called Sweden's Social Insurance Minister Annika Strandhäll "a sick being" on a TV talkshow, after she had criticised the country's leader Victor Orban for his words about the need for more "Hungarian children".

Orban used the words when unveiling a seven-point "family protection action plan" earliHungary's ambassador to Sweden has been called for a Wednesday meeting with the Swedish foreign office after an escalating war of words between ministers in the two countries moved up a notch.

Strandhäll commented, on twitter, that "Now Orban wants more 'true' Hungarian children to be born. The policies reek of the 1930s", which caused angry reactions in Hungary, culminating in the deputy prime minister's comments about Strandhäll.er this month - a plan he hopes will boost the nation's declining birthrate.

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7159131

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EU budget blocked by Hungary and Poland over rule of law issue

Hungary and Poland have been criticised for violating democratic standards enshrined in the EU's founding treaty.

The EU is currently investigating both countries for undermining the independence of courts, media and non-governmental organisations. The clause threatens to cost them billions of euros in EU funding.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54964858
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:17 pm

This is Whataboutism.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:30 pm

ei146 wrote:
This is Whataboutism.


what is?
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:31 pm

seahawk wrote:
According to British media it is the EU who is on the bring of collapse: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ny-vaccine


The tabloids you mean......
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:28 pm

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ei146 wrote:
This is Whataboutism.

what is?

What the tabloids do: Pointing to the real or percieved problems of others to distract from the own issues.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:48 pm

ei146 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
ei146 wrote:
This is Whataboutism.

what is?

What the tabloids do: Pointing to the real or percieved problems of others to distract from the own issues.


thanks for the clarification.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:56 pm

This thread from a business owner sets out grim reality of post-Brexit trade problems

So much for the world beating IT systems :)

The Tory party is no longer the Tory party. It is UKIP that has assumed control of the Tory party. They goal is clear, to commit economic vandalism and social vandalism on the U.K. whilst ensuring they get considerably wealthier. That is very sad for what was a great country. END
— Daniel Lambert (Wines). (@DanielLambert29) January 16, 2021
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:28 pm

Good to see a real live example of how much Brexit cost: 1 to 2Pounds per bottle of wine. Bureaucracy and added cost. No value, just cost.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:47 pm

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- the UK is still lacking agreements with EEA countries to continue fishing in their waters, holding many ships at dock
.


If you would have followed the Express you would have known that that is a lie (sarcasm off).

Seriously, how long before the Brexiteers will turn Norway? The fact that UK fishers cannot fish in Norwegian waters must be killing for some in the industry. No doubt, one can spin this as Norway playing the game of waiting until tehre aren't any UK fishers to fish in Norwegian waters and thus have it all for themselves (OK together with the Europeans). Norway must be pleased that the British media is too preoccupied with the EU that it neglects the issues of UK fishers in Norwegian waters.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:59 pm

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Seriously, how long before the Brexiteers will turn Norway?



one moment I read this within "into Norway" :o
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:56 pm

From the daily (good) news show surrounding Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... businesses

The summary:

UK fish exporters are unable to sell into European markets because of delays at borders and complain that Boris Johnson and others misled them about Brexit. Leading supermarket chains are warning ministers of food shortages in Northern Ireland because of new border rules and bureaucracy. And small UK companies which thrived as part of the EU single market, are saying they may have no future at all in exporting into continental Europe because of the crippling new costs.

Before, you put something in a box, sent it off with a courier and it got to the customer in a day or two days without any friction, just like sending something within this country.

Now, first there is a “Brexit charge”, as the couriers are calling it, an export fee of £4.50 for every parcel shipped to the EU to cover costs of extra administration and form filling that couriers must carry out.
Second, there is a “deferment account fee” of £5 per parcel that covers couriers’ costs of pre-paying import charges in the destination country.
And third, a “disbursement charge” which is set at different levels in each EU country with a minimum of about €14 per parcel, or calculated as a percentage of the value of the goods, whichever is the higher, plus VAT in the destination country. This covers the costs of the tax authority in the recipient country inspecting and processing the parcels.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:28 pm

Anyone else notice this thread has been a project fear echo-chamber the last few days...? ;-)
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:41 pm

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Anyone else notice this thread has been a project fear echo-chamber the last few days...? ;-)


This is the great Brexit victory;


There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want

We're not really interested in a transition deal, but we'll consider one to be kind to the EU

I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019

The UK is currently implementing a new customs declaration service, which will replace the existing HMRC customs system. This is a high-priority project within government and HMRC is on track to deliver by January 2019



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... ly-dropped
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:45 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
Anyone else notice this thread has been a project fear echo-chamber the last few days...? ;-)


yup, that happens when project fear, becomes reality. ;) Although it is sad enough of course, so much misery, so unnecessary.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:47 pm

Probably time for a new thread. I would see something like a few of the more technical data driven threads in civil aviation. A lot of us would appreciate the 'nuts and bolts' of how trade is being handled, mishandled, and accommodated.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:07 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Probably time for a new thread. I would see something like a few of the more technical data driven threads in civil aviation. A lot of us would appreciate the 'nuts and bolts' of how trade is being handled, mishandled, and accommodated.



I totally agree.

I would like to talk about problems that not in the past but solving problems of EU like Migration, South North - East West, The increase of EU citizen of knowledge what EU means fro the small person, Creating Financial services in EU, EU security like Army etc etc.

This topics is only UK right now.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:16 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Probably time for a new thread. I would see something like a few of the more technical data driven threads in civil aviation. A lot of us would appreciate the 'nuts and bolts' of how trade is being handled, mishandled, and accommodated.


It will be a while before the figures for Q1 or even for January are known. So we'll have to do with anecdotical evidence from a few specific sectors like fishery and finance. I concur it will be interesting to see the data emerge.
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