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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:38 pm

Dutchy wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
Probably time for a new thread. I would see something like a few of the more technical data driven threads in civil aviation. A lot of us would appreciate the 'nuts and bolts' of how trade is being handled, mishandled, and accommodated.


It will be a while before the figures for Q1 or even for January are known. So we'll have to do with anecdotical evidence from a few specific sectors like fishery and finance. I concur it will be interesting to see the data emerge.


I agree.

What will be interesting will be if UK go better or worse then fo r example France and Germany.

Comparing with Spain is complicated while Spain is so depending on travel and tourism.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:05 pm

Dutchy wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
Probably time for a new thread. I would see something like a few of the more technical data driven threads in civil aviation. A lot of us would appreciate the 'nuts and bolts' of how trade is being handled, mishandled, and accommodated.


It will be a while before the figures for Q1 or even for January are known. So we'll have to do with anecdotical evidence from a few specific sectors like fishery and finance. I concur it will be interesting to see the data emerge.


Not only that but there's some kind of health issue I've heard about which may or may not be affecting things slightly.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:32 pm

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I agree.

What will be interesting will be if UK go better or worse then fo r example France and Germany.


Compare with the G7. Since Brexit-vote in 2016, the UK performed worse than the others. The real effect will only be known in 5 years or so.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:25 pm

I still wonder if when traffic in Dover will come back to normal levels.

If not it means that business UK EU has changed forever, if id do come back the admin obstacles will mean a mess.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:40 pm

It will never come back, simply because it won´t be the same. You could order goods from the UK and it was largely the same as if your ordered in your home country. Now it is not. Shipping is expensive and it is a hassle. Instead of having it delivered to your door like any other delivery, you might need to pick it up at customs now. It is the same for businesses. So for that to work the product made in the UK must either be a lot cheaper for the same quality or nobody will consider ordering in the UK.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:16 pm

Brexit: Fishing firms hold London protest over disruption


The first protest are here, only took 18days.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:51 pm

link to all the Brexit dividend

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg told them the fish were now “better and happier” because they are “British fish”.


I finally know what the honorable gentleman means: they are better off and happier because the fish UK industry is collapsing and thus they are not caught. Never thought Rees-Mogg had such an inside and a grasp on reeality. The UK is lucky to have such an enlightened man in their parlement.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:05 am

olle wrote:
I still wonder if when traffic in Dover will come back to normal levels.

If not it means that business UK EU has changed forever, if id do come back the admin obstacles will mean a mess.


LOL, this joke was good, you made my day. Next time, please mark it with a smiley or so, so it will be easier to understand. For few seconds, I feared, you really belived it.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:44 am

Well if nothing else direct ferry routes have been added to bypass the UK, so that alone means traffic will not be back at the same level.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:39 am

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Well if nothing else direct ferry routes have been added to bypass the UK, so that alone means traffic will not be back at the same level.


It is a joke that is probably closer to the truth then most people realize. If there already is a admin mess with current level - empty ferries - how will it soon look like?

I know a firm selling card printers for ID batches. They used to send the products from UK. Before brexit they initiated a warehouse in NL. How many more distributors has a similar plan B or are right now looking at one for survival?
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:53 am

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Well if nothing else direct ferry routes have been added to bypass the UK, so that alone means traffic will not be back at the same level.


Stena line is even advertising them as a commercial advantage!

BREXIT BUSTERS they call them, because these newly added routes between the ROI and France allow for bypassing of the UK...

https://worldcapitaltimes.com/2021/01/1 ... omireland/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55655631
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:07 am

The reason for all those BREXIT BUSTERS is well explained in this article with an iconic exemple:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... er-tariffs

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.4453462

Basically, when you use the UK as a stepping stone in your production and/or transportation chain, transit shipments get caught in miles of red tape due to the very strict rules of origin under the EU-UK FTA and so many companies are starting to just avoid the UK as much as they can, other than as a final destination of a shipment.

An estimated additional 20 weekly sailings between the ROI and the rest of the EU are urgently needed to satisfy increased demand for Brexit busting routes that avoid the UK completely and so Brexit is quickly turning the UK from a logistics 'hub' into a logistics 'dead end'.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:05 am

And while the UK Gov is doing its very best to destroy British fisheries and distribution logistics, Brexit is also pushing the EU to bolster its financial infrastructure.

The commission stepped up pressure on companies to move parts of their derivatives-clearing business from London to inside the EU. The commission will set up a working group to assess possible technical issues that could pose an obstacle in this regard, it said.

“We need a clear step-by-step masterplan that helps key financial sector businesses move from the United Kingdom to the European Union,” said Markus Ferber, a lawmaker in the European Parliament. “A mere ‘wait and see’ approach will not do to bolster European financial markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ium-europe
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:17 am

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And while the UK Gov is doing its very best to destroy British fisheries and distribution logistics, Brexit is also pushing the EU to bolster its financial infrastructure.

The commission stepped up pressure on companies to move parts of their derivatives-clearing business from London to inside the EU. The commission will set up a working group to assess possible technical issues that could pose an obstacle in this regard, it said.

“We need a clear step-by-step masterplan that helps key financial sector businesses move from the United Kingdom to the European Union,” said Markus Ferber, a lawmaker in the European Parliament. “A mere ‘wait and see’ approach will not do to bolster European financial markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ium-europe


Everything that France and Macron currently do shall be seen from this perspective.

This is created by the simple fact that UK is not anymore part of "Us" when you consider it from a EU perspective. We can be partner, friends but not close family.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:07 am

This is why you can now get EU development, money if you convince a company to move from the UK to the EU.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:12 pm

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And while the UK Gov is doing its very best to destroy British fisheries and distribution logistics, Brexit is also pushing the EU to bolster its financial infrastructure.


Anyone working in the industry would know that this is nothing new. The only thing was that they couldn't challenge London as it will always be the preferred location. Now that the UK is out of the EU, there's nothing which can stop the ECB in ensuring that most (if not all) of the Euro business is in a country regulated by the ECB. Note that some countries outside of the Euro area work closely with the ECB on regulatory issues. In the end, the UK enabled the ECB to get to the desired state (which was blocked by the ECJ before).
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 am

The battle of Financial Services is on;

I think that this shows that EU will develop its financial industry in the speed as it feels is safe. But the long term direction is clear.

I think that the negotiations EU UK regarding services later this year will follow this pattern with EU giving temporally exceptions but not agree long term changes.
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Mr de Galhau said: “In spite of the pandemic, almost 2,500 jobs have already been transferred and around 50 British entities have authorised the relocation of at least €170bn (£151bn) in assets to France at the end of 2020.

“Other relocations are expected and should increase over the course of this year.”

The Bank of France chief added it has become clear is that Brexit has forced Europe into developing its own financial autonomy.

The European Union is letting London clearinghouses to operate throughout the continent until mid-2022 as Europe does not have comparable institutions of its own.




https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ets-london
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:49 am

The IT department in the company where I work just took the decision to decrease office space because of changed working habits after Covid. How will London office market be effected of Brexit in combination with Covid?

I consider that Stockholm my home town will have a bad office market the next years with many offices changed into appartements. Will this trend come to London and will the effect be higher because of Brexit and general cost level?
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:43 am

Meanwhile it emerged that the UK government in its quest for the hardest of Brexits deliberately turned down an offer from the EU to allow British artists to tour the EU without need for a Schengen visa and work permits for each individual country, as another sector of the UK's economy today decries the very poor EU-UK deal they will have to face the consequences of.

International touring represents an essential part of many musicians’ livelihoods, with 44% of British musicians earning up to half of their annual income in the EU before the pandemic.

The success stories just keep pilling up, don't they?
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Musicians say they have been “shamefully failed” by the government’s Brexit deal with the EU.

An EU official told the Guardian the UK had turned down its standard opening proposal of 90 days’ work in a 180-day period at the discussion table on mobility. This proposal from the EU traditionally covers musicians, sports people and journalists but could have been expanded to include all technical staff too had the UK been willing to negotiate. But the UK refused the engage in any discussions at all on this topic.

A DCMS spokesperson told the Guardian that the government was committed to providing “clarity” for British musicians wishing to tour the EU and making the issue of negotiating working in individual member states “as easy and straightforward as possible”.

“We don’t need clarity,” said the Musicians Union. “We need a deal. Even if we get clarity, it’s still going to be a complete nightmare. The reality is that British musicians, dancers, actors and their support staff have been shamefully failed by their government. The deal done with the EU has a gaping hole where the promised free movement for musicians should be. Everyone on a European music tour will now need costly work permits for each individual country they visit and a mountain of paperwork for their equipment.”

Also, prior to the Brexit trade agreement, artists visiting the non-EU countries Switzerland and Norway during the course of a European tour would simply pay sales tax in advance to cover the prospective sale of all merchandise carried, and immediately reclaim any disparity after the fact. Whether this would now still be the case for UK artists visiting EEA countries during an EU tour, Munro said: “Nobody can tell us how it’s going to work. There's just nothing in place on this."

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/ ... uring-deal
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Not entirely unsurprisingly, EU logistics firms try to avoid the UK so that assets aren't caught up in border chaos. I would have thought that Schenker would have the heft and resources to handle this although if it's your clients providing incorrect paperwork then there's only so much that's within their power.

German logistics firm DB Schenker stops UK shipments over Brexit red tape

German logistics company DB Schenker is temporarily suspending deliveries from the European Union to Britain because of bureaucratic hurdles brought on by Brexit.
The transport giant is experiencing "considerable problems" in customs formalities in the movement of goods between the UK and EU, it said in a statement sent to AFP on Friday.

Only "around 10 percent" of deliveries are accompanied by the complete and correct paperwork, it added. DB Schenker, owned by Germany's state-owned rail giant Deutsche Bahn, said it has staff specially trained to deal with Brexit issues but "every shipment that is not properly documented delays the delivery of entire loads".

Shipments that are not fully declared cannot be delivered, it said.



https://www.thelocal.de/20210115/german ... t-red-tape


DB Schenker’s decision to suspend road transport services to the UK will “go down like a lead balloon”, amid mounting criticism of multinational forwarders’ handling of the post-Brexit processes.

Germany-headquartered DB Schenker yesterday informed customers via email it would be suspending land transport deliveries to the UK in response to “enormous bureaucratic regulations”.

The decision follows fast on the heels of DPD, which announced last week it was suspending road deliveries into the UK and Republic of Ireland.

Blaming new border procedures and additional customs paperwork required for Europe-bound parcels, the company said it was unable to cope with extra pressure on turnaround and transit times.

Furthermore, it said it would be returning some 20% of parcels received as they had been sent with incorrect or incomplete data.


https://theloadstar.com/customer-anger- ... -services/



Dutchy wrote:
Brexit: Fishing firms hold London protest over disruption


The first protest are here, only took 18days.


I wonder what the endgame here is. They can't seriously be wanting the government to be renegotiating the FTA can they? I do find it a little ironic that Fishermen - who believed most enthusiastically the lies that Farage, Johnson etc sold them and advocated for an extreme brexit because of it - are currently the loudest critics of how things have turned out.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:25 pm

zkojq wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Brexit: Fishing firms hold London protest over disruption


The first protest are here, only took 18days.


I wonder what the endgame here is. They can't seriously be wanting the government to be renegotiating the FTA can they? I do find it a little ironic that Fishermen - who believed most enthusiastically the lies that Farage, Johnson etc sold them and advocated for an extreme brexit because of it - are currently the loudest critics of how things have turned out.


If you betray someone you lied to, he/she has the habit in turning from your biggest ally to your biggest opponant. So what is the end game? Don't know. Best bed for them: independent Scotland joining the EU. :) Not that the Brexiteers you mentioned care a bit, but there you go.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:41 pm

The (unfortunately not so) funny thing about Brexit is that virtually everything the "scarer" said became true. It is such a shame simply because a weak UK weakens the EU and also NATO.

The UK is always welcome to rejoin the EU, though. The doors remain open.

No doubt there will also come specialised UK services who fill in the gap of the huge companies. It will just be more expensive, and a serious drawback in the long run.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:07 pm

I cannot see the UK rejoining the EU for a long time, the status quo ante brexitium (LOL) will not be available. England enjoyed an outstanding membership in the EU, all of the benefits, and with substantial carve outs. Those carve outs are ancient history. On going negotiations to make things easier need to be started yesterday. Almost as important as what is happening in the US today.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:26 pm

zkojq wrote:
I do find it a little ironic that Fishermen - who believed most enthusiastically the lies that Farage, Johnson etc sold them and advocated for an extreme brexit because of it - are currently the loudest critics of how things have turned out.


Other business becoming vocal : touring artists.
They signed an open letter asking for government to "negotiate paperwork-free travel to Europe for British artists and their equipment".
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9167097/Millionaire-British-music-stars-blast-Boris-Johnson-Brexit.html

The irony here is seing Roger Daltrey signing the letter while being an icon of the pro-brexit artists, claiming things like
- how are you going to tour in Europe ?
- Oh dear. As if we didn't tour Europe before the f****** EU.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-whos-roger-daltry-says-brexit-wont-affect-british-musicians-as-if-we-didnt-tour-europe-before-the-f-eu-2462954

Like all others corporations, that's too late a wake up, the train left the station weeks ago.
And they have no excuse because while its true there's next to nothing that couldn't be fixed during negotiations - provided one is ready to make necessary concessions - both negotiations mandate were available to everybody with an internet access. It was crystal clear none was seeking special treatment for artists or any other industry needing to travel within EU with their stuff.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:38 pm

But Daltrey is a product of his generation. A 76 years grumpy old man who grew up with the myth that england won the second world war all by itself with no help whatsoever. Wait 30 years and we will see if england see its history in the same way.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:46 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
I cannot see the UK rejoining the EU for a long time, the status quo ante brexitium (LOL) will not be available. England enjoyed an outstanding membership in the EU, all of the benefits, and with substantial carve outs. Those carve outs are ancient history. On going negotiations to make things easier need to be started yesterday. Almost as important as what is happening in the US today.


And more important is what is happening in the EU. The remaining two powerhouses (France and Germany) are working very close together as the leading forces. The UK has always been a distraction and without it, the EU will become stronger. The EU don't need the UK as a member.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:48 pm

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zkojq wrote:
I do find it a little ironic that Fishermen - who believed most enthusiastically the lies that Farage, Johnson etc sold them and advocated for an extreme brexit because of it - are currently the loudest critics of how things have turned out.


Other business becoming vocal : touring artists.
They signed an open letter asking for government to "negotiate paperwork-free travel to Europe for British artists and their equipment".
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9167097/Millionaire-British-music-stars-blast-Boris-Johnson-Brexit.html

The irony here is seing Roger Daltrey signing the letter while being an icon of the pro-brexit artists, claiming things like
- how are you going to tour in Europe ?
- Oh dear. As if we didn't tour Europe before the f****** EU.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-whos-roger-daltry-says-brexit-wont-affect-british-musicians-as-if-we-didnt-tour-europe-before-the-f-eu-2462954

Like all others corporations, that's too late a wake up, the train left the station weeks ago.
And they have no excuse because while its true there's next to nothing that couldn't be fixed during negotiations - provided one is ready to make necessary concessions - both negotiations mandate were available to everybody with an internet access. It was crystal clear none was seeking special treatment for artists or any other industry needing to travel within EU with their stuff.


Any Brexiteer UK artist must realize that they has been the example how great the freedom of movement is and has been. Erase freedom of movement for any small business in service or artists has a big chance to be a show stopper for that business. Those will probably not recover after Covid.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:51 pm

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But Daltrey is a product of his generation. A 76 years grumpy old man who grew up with the myth that england won the second world war all by itself with no help whatsoever. Wait 30 years and we will see if england see its history in the same way.


Even worse that generation believed tat the history stopped in 1945 and the fall of the empire was UK choice and not population of Zimbabwe, India, Kenya etc wanting out.

As I understand this generation now wait for the Commonwealth to change from a Thea-party into a Empire II within 5 years.

UK spent 1900 to 1989 to keep Germany down. UK has a complicated time to realize that Germany lost 1919, 1945 but Germany has been part of seeing EU with a stronger by day Germany as the victor of Europe post 1991.

Since 1991 EU has a few threats.

Climate change
Migration from Africa arab world because of failed nation
Failed Soviet union moving into a not EU positive Russia
Western world decrease in influance to Asia

For most of EU members EU integration has been answer to this. Even soon China a non democratic nation will be biggest economy. They and Russia only seems to listen to size and power. Soon USA and EU will need to take decision to work with one voice in order to balance those forces.

Time for UK to wake up?
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:20 pm

olle wrote:
The IT department in the company where I work just took the decision to decrease office space because of changed working habits after Covid. How will London office market be effected of Brexit in combination with Covid?

I consider that Stockholm my home town will have a bad office market the next years with many offices changed into appartements. Will this trend come to London and will the effect be higher because of Brexit and general cost level?


I read a couple of stories about that recently - London had another skyscraper building spree the last couple of years and one article was wondering if all that office space will actually have a market.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:25 pm

olle wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
I do find it a little ironic that Fishermen - who believed most enthusiastically the lies that Farage, Johnson etc sold them and advocated for an extreme brexit because of it - are currently the loudest critics of how things have turned out.


Other business becoming vocal : touring artists.
They signed an open letter asking for government to "negotiate paperwork-free travel to Europe for British artists and their equipment".
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9167097/Millionaire-British-music-stars-blast-Boris-Johnson-Brexit.html

The irony here is seing Roger Daltrey signing the letter while being an icon of the pro-brexit artists, claiming things like
- how are you going to tour in Europe ?
- Oh dear. As if we didn't tour Europe before the f****** EU.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-whos-roger-daltry-says-brexit-wont-affect-british-musicians-as-if-we-didnt-tour-europe-before-the-f-eu-2462954

Like all others corporations, that's too late a wake up, the train left the station weeks ago.
And they have no excuse because while its true there's next to nothing that couldn't be fixed during negotiations - provided one is ready to make necessary concessions - both negotiations mandate were available to everybody with an internet access. It was crystal clear none was seeking special treatment for artists or any other industry needing to travel within EU with their stuff.


Any Brexiteer UK artist must realize that they has been the example how great the freedom of movement is and has been. Erase freedom of movement for any small business in service or artists has a big chance to be a show stopper for that business. Those will probably not recover after Covid.


Indeed, big example because very visible.
In reality most of UK current active person only knew relation with continental Europe with Freedom of Movement and being part of the Single Market.
They took loads of stuff for granted, to the point of labelling project fear any warning of what it entails to NOT be in the SM and without FoM.

Also agree with that,
Olddog wrote:
But Daltrey is a product of his generation. A 76 years grumpy old man who grew up with the myth that england won the second world war all by itself with no help whatsoever. Wait 30 years and we will see if england see its history in the same way.

He got his fame when UK was the sick man of europe, of course for him everything was easy then.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:27 pm

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Not entirely unsurprisingly, EU logistics firms try to avoid the UK so that assets aren't caught up in border chaos.


I ordered a new laptop battery around Christmas - old one started failing in November and we wanted to get a replacement before 2021 for obvious reasons.

So I bought it before any potential price rise, but now they've got my money and the shipment is delayed. Hopefully it will arrive at some point if the importer doesn't go bust (the manufacturer is in Hong Kong, at least it's not a European import).
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:04 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
In reality most of UK current active person only knew relation with continental Europe with Freedom of Movement and being part of the Single Market.
They took loads of stuff for granted, to the point of labelling project fear any warning of what it entails to NOT be in the SM and without FoM.


Not most, simply all!

the UK has been a member of the CU and SM for 48 years, so anybody with some professional experience of international trade predating the SM and the CU is well into his/her 70s already by now....

Which is why it has been such a problem for the UK to find enough skilled negotiators for their FTAs too: not many Brits have experience at it and those who have, worked for the EU and either prefered to stay on (which they could), or have been pushed aside by the UK Gov as not being pro-Brexit, so the UK now needs to rely on scores of foreign negotiators for taking back control (how ironic).
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:49 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Not entirely unsurprisingly, EU logistics firms try to avoid the UK so that assets aren't caught up in border chaos.


I ordered a new laptop battery around Christmas - old one started failing in November and we wanted to get a replacement before 2021 for obvious reasons.

So I bought it before any potential price rise, but now they've got my money and the shipment is delayed. Hopefully it will arrive at some point if the importer doesn't go bust (the manufacturer is in Hong Kong, at least it's not a European import).


OK, you are aware, that Li batteries are shipped....by ship? There not so many delivery services, who are willed to ship them by plane. You will have to wait.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:44 pm

From my understanding such orders often got into the EU through the UK because the UK customs waived them through instead of doing the proper customs procedure. So now such businesses in the UK have no reason to exist.
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:34 pm

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From my understanding such orders often got into the EU through the UK because the UK customs waived them through instead of doing the proper customs procedure. So now such businesses in the UK have no reason to exist.


It also seems to be problems because haulers into UK do not want to pay the T1 fees.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... exit-rules
 
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Re: Brexit part XI: 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:11 pm

Dutchy wrote:
So what is the end game? Don't know. Best bed for them: independent Scotland joining the EU. :) Not that the Brexiteers you mentioned care a bit, but there you go.


True but a direct ferry service from Edinburgh to Zebrugge/HookOfHolland/Calais will still be needed so as to avoid entry requirements from a third country.

frmrCapCadet wrote:
England enjoyed an outstanding membership in the EU, all of the benefits, and with substantial carve outs. Those carve outs are ancient history.


:checkmark:

And to be clear, I think that's a good thing. All EU members should play by the same rules.

Grizzly410 wrote:
The irony here is seing Roger Daltrey signing the letter while being an icon of the pro-brexit artists, claiming things like
- how are you going to tour in Europe ?
- Oh dear. As if we didn't tour Europe before the f****** EU.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-whos-roger-daltry-says-brexit-wont-affect-british-musicians-as-if-we-didnt-tour-europe-before-the-f-eu-2462954


At least for the big artists, this is definitely something I'd put in the "I don't care" category. They've got the money to pay someone to find a work around and fill out the paperwork. I do on the other hand feel sorry for students - especially working class ones - who won't get the benefit of Erasmus. And for especially working class people who can't benefit from Freedom Of Movement and can't easily get better paying jobs on the continent.

OTOH this is definitely a good thing in terms of raising awareness about how Freedom Of Movement is very practical in making movement around the Union easier.
 
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I thought the UK was going to wave through most good coming in the the EU for a few months. Does anyone know what the policy actually is?
 
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olle wrote:
The IT department in the company where I work just took the decision to decrease office space because of changed working habits after Covid. How will London office market be effected of Brexit in combination with Covid?

I consider that Stockholm my home town will have a bad office market the next years with many offices changed into appartements. Will this trend come to London and will the effect be higher because of Brexit and general cost level?


I read a couple of stories about that recently - London had another skyscraper building spree the last couple of years and one article was wondering if all that office space will actually have a market.



If these get converted to apartments which helps to lower the cost of houses/housing then this could actually probably be classed as a Brexit Benefit.

It will be interesting to see what happens in this regard in the coming years and, as olle says, a similar phenomenon is happening in cities all around the world.

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zkojq wrote:
Not entirely unsurprisingly, EU logistics firms try to avoid the UK so that assets aren't caught up in border chaos.


I ordered a new laptop battery around Christmas - old one started failing in November and we wanted to get a replacement before 2021 for obvious reasons.

So I bought it before any potential price rise, but now they've got my money and the shipment is delayed. Hopefully it will arrive at some point if the importer doesn't go bust (the manufacturer is in Hong Kong, at least it's not a European import).


The thing is that Schenker can get your stuff to nearly anywhere on the planet (including North Korea) in a fairly timely manner yet now that can't get stuff to the UK - at least as far as surface freight is concerned.

Its going to be interesting to see the effects of this downstream in a few weeks. There's certainly some production lines which will be at risk of stopping. I notice that JOTA Aviation has started up a new air bridge from Ostend to Birmingham for essential freight that is valuable enough.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/jota ... d-belgium/
 
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zkojq wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
olle wrote:
The IT department in the company where I work just took the decision to decrease office space because of changed working habits after Covid. How will London office market be effected of Brexit in combination with Covid?

I consider that Stockholm my home town will have a bad office market the next years with many offices changed into appartements. Will this trend come to London and will the effect be higher because of Brexit and general cost level?


I read a couple of stories about that recently - London had another skyscraper building spree the last couple of years and one article was wondering if all that office space will actually have a market.



If these get converted to apartments which helps to lower the cost of houses/housing then this could actually probably be classed as a Brexit Benefit.

It will be interesting to see what happens in this regard in the coming years and, as olle says, a similar phenomenon is happening in cities all around the world.

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Not entirely unsurprisingly, EU logistics firms try to avoid the UK so that assets aren't caught up in border chaos.


I ordered a new laptop battery around Christmas - old one started failing in November and we wanted to get a replacement before 2021 for obvious reasons.

So I bought it before any potential price rise, but now they've got my money and the shipment is delayed. Hopefully it will arrive at some point if the importer doesn't go bust (the manufacturer is in Hong Kong, at least it's not a European import).


The thing is that Schenker can get your stuff to nearly anywhere on the planet (including North Korea) in a fairly timely manner yet now that can't get stuff to the UK - at least as far as surface freight is concerned.

Its going to be interesting to see the effects of this downstream in a few weeks. There's certainly some production lines which will be at risk of stopping. I notice that JOTA Aviation has started up a new air bridge from Ostend to Birmingham for essential freight that is valuable enough.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/jota ... d-belgium/



I actually read that DB Schenker decrease it presence in UK;

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A top German logistics company has become the latest firm to suspend deliveries to the UK because of increased paperwork following Brexit.

DB Schenker, owned by national rail firm Deutsche Bahn, said that for the time being, it was not accepting new UK-bound consignments.

"Enormous bureaucratic regulations" linked to post-Brexit trading arrangements were to blame, it said.

Only about 10% of goods came with accurate customs forms, it added.

Last week, parcel delivery company DPD temporarily suspended shipments from the UK to the EU for similar reasons.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55662544
 
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frmrCapCadet wrote:
I thought the UK was going to wave through most good coming in the the EU for a few months. Does anyone know what the policy actually is?


From what I'm reading and watching that's what is happening. The fact that the other way is problematic leads to : drivers/haulage companies not wanting to make the trip at all, or making the UK=>EU trip empty, and thus the EU=>UK trip is more expensive.
 
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SEXIT?

It comes as more than half of Scots support independence, according to a new poll.

The Survation poll, conducted on behalf of the pro-independence Scot Goes Pop blog, found that 51 percent of those questioned said Scotland should be independent while 49 percent said it should not.

Before don't knows are excluded, the figures are 45 percent for yes, 43 percent for no and 12 percent for don't know.

The poll of 1,020 Scots also found that 55 percent of women said they would vote for independence, compared with 45 percent of men.

Meanwhile, more than three quarters (78 percent) of those aged 25-34 said they support independence.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... johnson-vn
 
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Right wing pro Brexit types, meanwhile, are wondering how devolution could be scrapped to go back to full Westminster control... That will go very well in Scotland (and Wales for that matter) I'm sure.
 
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Express view of traveling after Brexit;



The new rules and expenses combined with the risk factors involved with the pandemic may cause a rise in staycations this summer, Mr Kevlin suggested.

He said: “The rules will likely lead to the continued popularity of staycations.

“Whereas before, travelling to most of Europe could be done without much thought as to bureaucracy, for those wanting a simpler trip, staying closer to home will be the obvious choice.”

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articl ... day-eu-evg
 
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Aesma wrote:
Right wing pro Brexit types, meanwhile, are wondering how devolution could be scrapped to go back to full Westminster control... That will go very well in Scotland (and Wales for that matter) I'm sure.


The term pro-Brexit is a misnomer now, as is pro-remain. I would suggest: remainers (status-quo supporters) and pro-rejoin-ers.
 
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Dutchy wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Right wing pro Brexit types, meanwhile, are wondering how devolution could be scrapped to go back to full Westminster control... That will go very well in Scotland (and Wales for that matter) I'm sure.


The term pro-Brexit is a misnomer now, as is pro-remain. I would suggest: remainers (status-quo supporters) and pro-rejoin-ers.



Or, in the same order, 'EDs' (Easily Duped) and 'CALs' (Correct All Along).
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:37 am

Meanwhile, even Brexiteers are now admitting there are massive problems with trade flows to the UK and within the UK to NI, but you've guessed it... they are blaming all of those on the EU.

Now they say "the EU needs us to fail" by making trade as hard as possible (whereas it's just the standard trade protocol for any third country, a status the UK vehemently sought to 'gain') or the EU wants to break up the UK (the UK agreed to the special status for NI and if the people of Scotland express their desire for independance in a constitutionally arranged referendum, the EU will of course accept the result as it has with each referendum result in the UK...)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... johnson-vn
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:39 am

GDB wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Right wing pro Brexit types, meanwhile, are wondering how devolution could be scrapped to go back to full Westminster control... That will go very well in Scotland (and Wales for that matter) I'm sure.


The term pro-Brexit is a misnomer now, as is pro-remain. I would suggest: remainers (status-quo supporters) and pro-rejoin-ers.



Or, in the same order, 'EDs' (Easily Duped) and 'CALs' (Correct All Along).


I would not call the remaineers, easily duped. The barrage of lies spilled over them was tremendous. It is disrespectful.
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:11 am

sabenapilot wrote:
Meanwhile, even Brexiteers are now admitting there are massive problems with trade flows to the UK and within the UK to NI, but you've guessed it... they are blaming all of those on the EU.

Now they say "the EU needs us to fail" by making trade as hard as possible (whereas it's just the standard trade protocol for any third country, a status the UK vehemently sought to 'gain') or the EU wants to break up the UK (the UK agreed to the special status for NI and if the people of Scotland express their desire for independance in a constitutionally arranged referendum, the EU will of course accept the result as it has with each referendum result in the UK...)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... johnson-vn


In the mind of the Brexiteers the EU was supposed to give the UK all benefits of being in the EU, while the UK can also have all benefits of not being in the EU. It was certain that they would blame the EU for things not working out as they wanted. (and as never was realistically possible)
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