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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:54 pm

Fun Fact: One of the many people (Matt Gaetz) claiming Antifa was at the capital voted against a human trafficking bill (he was the only no vote). https://www.pnj.com/story/news/politics ... 990407001/
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:57 pm

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seb146 wrote:
Sorry if this has already been posted but it is another lie that needs to be called out

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ ... e393136379
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/fbi-say ... -riot.html

Antifa was not involved at all in this coup attempt.


I’m confused by the hatred towards Antifa?

What’s the issue with antifa? Anti racism and anti fascism sound good no? Unless you are a racist of a fascist. I guess it’s telling you you don’t like a group that opposes fascism. Maybe I’m missing something.

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It is a dog whistle. Like when they call someone a "socialist" or "liberal". They have been conditioned by their echo chamber that antifa are terrorists and violent. They have killed no one but the narrative is they are dangerous liberals who want to ban the Constitution and take away all guns. There is zero evidence, but the right wing media, who is always under attack by "liberals" according to right wing media, says it, so it must be true!
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:02 pm

seb146 wrote:
flipdewaf wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Sorry if this has already been posted but it is another lie that needs to be called out

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ ... e393136379
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/fbi-say ... -riot.html

Antifa was not involved at all in this coup attempt.


I’m confused by the hatred towards Antifa?

What’s the issue with antifa? Anti racism and anti fascism sound good no? Unless you are a racist of a fascist. I guess it’s telling you you don’t like a group that opposes fascism. Maybe I’m missing something.

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It is a dog whistle. Like when they call someone a "socialist" or "liberal". They have been conditioned by their echo chamber that antifa are terrorists and violent. They have killed no one but the narrative is they are dangerous liberals who want to ban the Constitution and take away all guns. There is zero evidence, but the right wing media, who is always under attack by "liberals" according to right wing media, says it, so it must be true!

Thanks, I thought it might be that.

It’s a shame antifa wasn’t there then, might have helped stop the fascists.

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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:03 pm

There’sa remarkable (though very disturbing and unfortunate) photo of the crowd beating the police officer to death. Beating a law enforcement officer to death because he dared to guard the seat of government.

Remember all those “back the blue” and all lives matter protests? Bunch of hypocrites. Treasonous scumbags.

I’m loving the photo compilations of these idiots running around the Capitol with their mug shots next to them. Hopefully many many more to follow.

I do feel for the parents of Babbit though. I can’t imagine having a child that stupid, who’s photo will forever be followed by the words “terrorist against the US”
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:06 pm

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There’sa remarkable (though very disturbing and unfortunate) photo of the crowd beating the police officer to death. Beating a law enforcement officer to death because he dared to guard the seat of government.

Remember all those “back the blue” and all lives matter protests? Bunch of hypocrites. Treasonous scumbags.

I’m loving the photo compilations of these idiots running around the Capitol with their mug shots next to them. Hopefully many many more to follow.

I do feel for the parents of Babbit though. I can’t imagine having a child that stupid, who’s photo will forever be followed by the words “terrorist against the US”

Do you have links? Don't doubt it at all, just lazy and would love to see what you are talking about,
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:11 pm

SYRAVGEEK wrote:
Fun Fact: One of the many people (Matt Gaetz) claiming Antifa was at the capital voted against a human trafficking bill (he was the only no vote). https://www.pnj.com/story/news/politics ... 990407001/


A non-sequitur for the current situation. Even with that fact, the Florida panhandle citizens still voted Gaetz, so many citizens beyond Gaetz share similar sentiments.

Though I do think Hawley and to a lesser extent Gaetz will see political fallout from the insurrection. Hawley tried to play dangerously by being the first mover to declare intentions to object in the Electoral College in hopes of getting that Gold Tweet, only to get brown s**t smeared on his name. And I'd like to see Gaetz swear under oath in front of a judge that it was Antifa that started the insurrection.

Cruz, on the other hand, still manages to chug along much to my chagrin. Many people forget he is smart and savvy, and by not being the first mover unlike Hawley allows him to hang on and try to take the Trump base.
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:13 pm

FGITD wrote:
There’sa remarkable (though very disturbing and unfortunate) photo of the crowd beating the police officer to death. Beating a law enforcement officer to death because he dared to guard the seat of government.

Remember all those “back the blue” and all lives matter protests? Bunch of hypocrites. Treasonous scumbags.

I’m loving the photo compilations of these idiots running around the Capitol with their mug shots next to them. Hopefully many many more to follow.

I do feel for the parents of Babbit though. I can’t imagine having a child that stupid, who’s photo will forever be followed by the words “terrorist against the US”

I pressume most of saw the video of that officer getting crushed by a door, horrifying.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:37 pm

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Cruz, on the other hand, still manages to chug along much to my chagrin. Many people forget he is smart and savvy, and by not being the first mover unlike Hawley allows him to hang on and try to take the Trump base.

Cruz was, however, the first Senator to file a written objection when he did so for Arizona. Cruz is indeed incredibly smart, and has been mostly quiet during the Trump administration, even going so far as to change his appearance by growing a beard. He's been in the headlines nonstop since November 3, suggesting that he knew full well that Trump had lost. He also has had the inability to really read the room and step in it in very big moments -- in 2013 when he almost single handedly shut down the government, and now. He's lucky he isn't up for reelection until 2024, but any savvy opponent will tie him to January 6. When he called for a 10-day audit, he knew full well that the legal foundation for that was sketchy at best, as well as there being no funding for that, much less actually time. He very well could have called for this months ago, but no. He wanted the headline. Well, he got one. Sleazeball.
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:56 pm

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ArcticSEA - I haven't watched your video and don't intend to. However, from the description, is it really necessary to post this on a public forum ?
There are plenty of people on a.net who are aged under 18


Don't worry, they just used a clickbait title. Its a 320x200 pixel video and you can't see anything. Its an unruly mob committing assault. The officer died later of their injuries so it would be upgraded to manslaughter after the fact. To call this an "assassination" is an insult to assassins.
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:19 pm

I want to know where the "many fine people" were that should have thrown themselves across this officers body to protect him or pulled the people attacking him away from him and stood between them to protect him? Where are they? The patriots that claim to stand against tyranny and mob rule?
Where are the "many fine people"?

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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:33 pm

Of course these 1000's who violently entered and occupied the Capitol without masks may have created a superspreader Covid-19 event putting themselves and anyone in the building at risk of infection. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lawma ... d=msedgdhp
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:46 pm

Official statement from Arnold Schwarzenegger, former Republican governor of California : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P-0I6sAck
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:04 pm

I sincerely hope that the Biden/Harris inauguration is indoors, say in the Senate chamber.
I believe there may be attempts on their lives if it is held outdoors.
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:06 pm

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I sincerely hope that the Biden/Harris inauguration is indoors, say in the Senate chamber.
I believe there may be attempts on their lives if it is held outdoors.

For this reason I believe trump should be forced to go, acting as a deterrent to temper the crazies doing anything stupid. Alas I realise forcing people to do these things isn’t the correct thing to do.

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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:19 pm

Tugger wrote:
FGITD wrote:
There’sa remarkable (though very disturbing and unfortunate) photo of the crowd beating the police officer to death. Beating a law enforcement officer to death because he dared to guard the seat of government.

Remember all those “back the blue” and all lives matter protests? Bunch of hypocrites. Treasonous scumbags.

I’m loving the photo compilations of these idiots running around the Capitol with their mug shots next to them. Hopefully many many more to follow.

I do feel for the parents of Babbit though. I can’t imagine having a child that stupid, who’s photo will forever be followed by the words “terrorist against the US”

Do you have links? Don't doubt it at all, just lazy and would love to see what you are talking about,
Thanks,

Tugg


They weren't wearing mask so they are pretty easy to identify. Hopefully it will result in poetic justice.
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:24 pm

I just saw a photo of the officer who was killed from the roof top of the capital He was laying face down on the steps of the capital. There is another video capturing when he was hit with a fire hydrant and beat by about 8 men one was hitting him with a crutch, other had sticks. He was laying at the front door of the capital. They had to spray pepper spray, and when that didn't work, they brought out the fogger. That cleared the area and they were able to get to the officer. Now another Capital officer has died, allegedly by suicide. The video is on reddit, it's very disturbing. I doubt it will ever be shown on T.V.
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:27 pm

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I’m loving the photo compilations of these idiots running around the Capitol with their mug shots next to them. Hopefully many many more to follow.


Source? Not that I doubt it, I just want to see it! :lol:
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:31 pm

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Maybe I’m missing something.


Just the lack of smarts by many Trump supporters. :wink2:
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm

Very powerful statement from Arnie.
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:42 pm

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Beating someone viciously with an American flag.... how is that for "respecting the flag".


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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:00 pm

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ArcticSEA - I haven't watched your video and don't intend to. However, from the description, is it really necessary to post this on a public forum ?
There are plenty of people on a.net who are aged under 18


I strongly disagree.

Firstly, the video is not explicit, you don't see any real graphic violence. It's tough to take when you know that the in the midst of that melee a police office is being beaten to death, but you don't actually see anything.
Secondly, it's important for people to understand how fine the line is between total anarchy and a civilised society.
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:01 pm

That is disgrace to humankind, why would someone do to a fellow human. USCP didn't even try to stop them by force.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:08 pm

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Official statement from Arnold Schwarzenegger, former Republican governor of California : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P-0I6sAck


How is it that an immigrant to America must remind everyone of the things that make the USA great and what could be lost.

Well said by Arnold Schwarzenegger.
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:09 pm

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That is disgrace to humankind, why would someone do to a fellow human. USCP didn't even try to stop them by force.


And when (legitimate, necessary) force was used, people want the agent that carried it out to be tried for murder...
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:13 pm

So since in Benghazi, 4 people were killed and security was an issue, how many investigations will the Republicans run for this botched national security effort at the Capitol that cost 5 lives?


https://www.businessinsider.com/pentago ... ort-2021-1

Pentagon officials sent memos on January 4 and 5 barring DC guardsmen from receiving ammo and riot gear, engaging with protesters (except for self-defense), sharing equipment with local police, and using surveillance or air assets without explicit approval from President Donald Trump's acting Defense Secretary, Christopher Miller, according to The Post.

The additional bureaucratic hurdle delayed the DC National Guard's response after US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asked on Wednesday for 200 guardsmen to provide backup — with guardsmen not arriving until 2 1/2 hours later — according to The Post.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:24 pm

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It was your previous reply that claim this cannot be apply to the other side. My intention was not to support any side, but to depict why it's not correct to only blame one side being causing problems


And by doing so, you are trying to create equivalency - "cant blame the Republicans for storming the Capitol because you didnt blame the Democrats for the BLM protests last year!"

Thats. The. Problem.

There is no equivalency between the two things - there is no concept of it being incorrect to talk about the events last week in complete and total isolation, we do not need to bring the BLM protests into this at all. If you insist we have to, then all you are trying to do is change the narrative and somehow seek to make last weeks events better. Which makes you part of the problem, not the solution.

BLM protests were people seeking to be seen as people. To not be killed indiscriminately by militarised police forces with unqualified immunity. To not be treated as second class by white people. To not have worse outcomes in healthcare and education (hell, at least one of the Covid-19 vaccines has a 30x lower success rate in black people, and literally no one cared - its one of the main ones being issued in the US right now...). To not be gerrymandered into a situation where their vote counts less in many elections.

Last weeks events were members of one side trying to overthrow the legitimate outcome of a national election.

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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:27 pm

Would the attack have taken place if they thought that the National Guard would be in place.

IMO, a major issue for the coming enquiry will be who at the Pentagon made that decision and how much information was going to the attackers.
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:35 pm

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dtw2hyd wrote:
That is disgrace to humankind, why would someone do to a fellow human. USCP didn't even try to stop them by force.


And when (legitimate, necessary) force was used, people want the agent that carried it out to be tried for murder...


Who wants the security person who killed the woman to be charged? On what grounds?
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:45 pm

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Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Official statement from Arnold Schwarzenegger, former Republican governor of iCalifornia : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P-n0I6sAck

tHow is it that an immigrant to America must remind everyone of the of the things that make the USA great and what could be lost.

Well said by Arnold Schwarzenegger.


I think that one often becomes "hemmablind" (~home blind) where one appreciate things and takes them for granted. Things that one doesn't know how good they really are until they are gone or until someone (like Arnold) puts it into perspective and point out how bad it could be.
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moo wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
That is disgrace to humankind, why would someone do to a fellow human. USCP didn't even try to stop them by force.


And when (legitimate, necessary) force was used, people want the agent that carried it out to be tried for murder...


Who wants the security person who killed the woman to be charged? On what grounds?


Lots of calls on Twitter in all sorts of threads for them to be charged with murder (was in no danger, only a few people behind the barricade, police officers were on the other side of the barricade so no immediate danger etc etc), basically trying to equate it with the calls for Breonna Taylors killers to be charged.
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:47 pm

We have further proof of how bad things under Trump and the Right Wing propoganda sites have gotten.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5335 ... lts-due-to


"They were being lied to. They were being misled," he said of the demonstrators. "Some of my colleagues in Congress, they share responsibility for that. Many of them were fundraising off of this Stop the Steal grift."

But other Republicans, he argued in an interview with the libertarian magazine Reason, "had legitimate concerns about the safety of their families. They felt that that vote would put their families in danger."


Those lawmakers, he said, knew in their "heart of hearts that they should've voted to certify" but voted to support objections to the results of election results in Pennsylvania and Arizona due to fears that members of their families could face retaliation.


Think about this for awhile. The leaders are so corrupt that they follow a lie for money, and then their are others that follow a lie for fear of their safety.

All of them should resign immediately as they are not capable of leading.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:02 pm

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Would the attack have taken place if they thought that the National Guard would be in place.

IMO, a major issue for the coming enquiry will be who at the Pentagon made that decision and how much information was going to the attackers.


That is a tricky question. Pentagon cannot send the National Guard without the Governor requesting for it. Not sure how it works with DC, not being a state, may be Mayor has to request.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:27 pm

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meecrob wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
ArcticSEA - I haven't watched your video and don't intend to. However, from the description, is it really necessary to post this on a public forum ?
There are plenty of people on a.net who are aged under 18


Don't worry, they just used a clickbait title. Its a 320x200 pixel video and you can't see anything. Its an unruly mob committing assault. The officer died later of their injuries so it would be upgraded to manslaughter after the fact. To call this an "assassination" is an insult to assassins.

How does it feel to apologise for the MAGAt mob? You're right, he died after the fact, AFTER THE MOB CAVED HIS SKULL IN.

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Calm down there, chief. I didn't take sides. I just pointed out that you claimed your video showed an "assassination" when it doesn't.

If we want the Trump supporters to take our point of view seriously, we have to be accurate with our language. We sit here crapping on them for twisting facts and peddling outright fabrications. Now you turn around and do exactly what they do. I get that emotions are running high, but history shows us that the winners are ultimately those that can keep a cool head in the face of adversity.
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:59 pm

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If we want the Trump supporters to take our point of view seriously,


And that's lost cause right out the gate..they listen to their leader...not science, forget facts and all recorded American History that shines a bad light on the perps (who happens be their heroes) must be re-written including the the Holocaust.

Thus Traitor Trumps 1776 Project (althoigh it's a high probability he has no clue of the events of 1776).

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Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:19 pm

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Very powerful statement from Arnie.


It was. IMHO, would have been even more powerful without the music, but that's just me.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:36 pm

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If we want the Trump supporters to take our point of view seriously,


And that's lost cause right out the gate..they listen to their leader...not science, forget facts and all recorded American History that shines a bad light on the perps (who happens be their heroes) must be re-written including the the Holocaust.

Thus Traitor Trumps 1776 Project (althoigh it's a high probability he has no clue of the events of 1776).

BN747


And you saying what you just did is pushing them farther away. Look, you can either call them "fucking idiots" and wonder why they call you "fucking idiots" right back, or we can be adults, realize we are in a shit situation, and navigate ourselves out of it with, or without trump supporters. We will not get out of this situation if all we do is sling insults at trump supporters. We ALL know what they are. We don't need to be reminded, they are really good at reminding us themselves. We were given a golden opportunity through this tragedy to lead by example, and it would be a shame if it is wasted on Lefts/Liberals/Democrats using it as an excuse to stoop to their level. Or in other words this situation is akin to a child throwing a tantrum to get their way. Do you act like an adult and stop them, or do you throw a tantrum of your own?
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:53 pm

Aviation related, but appears the FBI is moving quickly to have people suspected of participating in the riots on the Capitol placed on the federal No-Fly List, with at least one suspected rioter prevented from boarding, and another indicating that they were also prevented from flying:

https://www.rawstory.com/rioter-kicked-off-plane-nofly/
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:58 pm

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BN747 wrote:
meecrob wrote:
If we want the Trump supporters to take our point of view seriously,


And that's lost cause right out the gate..they listen to their leader...not science, forget facts and all recorded American History that shines a bad light on the perps (who happens be their heroes) must be re-written including the the Holocaust.

Thus Traitor Trumps 1776 Project (althoigh it's a high probability he has no clue of the events of 1776).

BN747


And you saying what you just did is pushing them farther away. Look, you can either call them "fucking idiots" and wonder why they call you "fucking idiots" right back, or we can be adults, realize we are in a shit situation, and navigate ourselves out of it with, or without trump supporters. We will not get out of this situation if all we do is sling insults at trump supporters. We ALL know what they are. We don't need to be reminded, they are really good at reminding us themselves. We were given a golden opportunity through this tragedy to lead by example, and it would be a shame if it is wasted on Lefts/Liberals/Democrats using it as an excuse to stoop to their level. Or in other words this situation is akin to a child throwing a tantrum to get their way. Do you act like an adult and stop them, or do you throw a tantrum of your own?



The divide in America today has to be close or beyond the split of US Civil War.

In 1856, in the United States Senate chamber, when Representative Preston Brooks, a pro-slavery Democrat from South Carolina, used a walking cane to attack Senator Charles Sumner, an abolitionist Republican from Massachusetts.

He nearly killed Sumner in that attack.

This 2021 attack on the very same spot 160 years later killed Five people.

What high minded approach do you think you have that apparently was not available in 1856 to stop a Nation from splitting into two warring factions North v South.is available now?

What?

Reason? Rationale?

All that calling them 'Idiots and Deplorables' does is offend their embracing of anti-intellectualism. That's it.

Them calling us Idiots/Socialists/Commies - whatever ..just bounces off our chest because we see them fighting Joseph McCarthy's 1950s battle of anti-Americanism with the exception of now embracing Putin/Russia because their cult leader said it was 'okay' now....because trump told them it was okay.

So if your message is end the 'name calling', perhaps the attack on the Capitol will convince you that the name calling hurt has been replaced by taking it to streets -er the Capitol and Capitals according to the minds of zip tie militia minded domestic terrorist who are out to capture certain figures in power and execute them.

Reason? Please, your let's hear your method to pull them from their brink ..to the table reason. Our brink can't be 'lets heal. hold hands and sing 'kumbaya'...

So my question to you is, how to rationalize and reason with the very people who've invented their own facts methods of discerning reason , they take on what is reasonable.

I guess my question can be tailored down to 'How Do You D-Cult a Cultist? Or have you ever tried? Is there a manual somewhere?


Please, I'm all ears....


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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:33 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQCsVVVknzQ

Michael Moore

A calm look at what happened ...and a scary look at what's coming.

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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:58 am

A detailed and scary account of the cross-section of society that participated in the Capitol siege, and the casual attitudes toward violence that seemed to prevail even amongst mild-mannered attendees. Also some pointed observations on the lack of federal LE presence compared to other DC protests.

https://twitter.com/terryboutonhist/sta ... 68226?s=21

Note to mods: I would consider this a verified account as the poster is a historian and academic in the DC area.
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:46 am

Is Trump linked clearly to the planned armed marches on Washinton and state capitols on 17 January ?
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:07 am

[photoid][/photoid]The United States is lost, sadly. When:

1. People are no longer shocked that a riot (it doesn't matter who did it or what you call it, that simply distracts from this fact), A RIOT took place inside the SENATE and HOUSE chambers, and most of the populace is not particularly outraged, and worst, the politicians in congress are not all that moved to neutralize the threat immediately.

2. When rioters are in the United States capitol, and had shirts reading slogans from the Concentration camps, Slavery, etc, and it's not caused a national emergency.

3. When you have a president who has thrown every single (EVERY SINGLE) person that worked for him under the bus, betrayed them, and tried to destroy them after the loyalty shown to him, including now, the Vice president (which on the other hand don't feel too sorry for), and this is considered OK by nearly half of Americans

4. When wild rioting (both on the left and right) has become the national norm, mass shootings are no longer even news LITERALLY, when the poiltical system is completely gridlocked, a pandemic rages on and no one is talking or doing anything about it, millions are needing food to survive and no political consensus can be reached to help the economy, when your international alliances lie shattered, when the Capitol is overrun, when a president is being invoked into 25th amendment or 2nd impeachment....

That is the Trump legacy. Congratulations, Trumpists. For four years I was one of the few that tried to conciliate you, saying that we should respect other's views no matter how we disagreed. But read number 4 again. That is an unbelievable legacy and destruction of American strengths in such a short 4 years.
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:20 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Is Trump linked clearly to the planned armed marches on Washinton and state capitols on 17 January ?

It is likely. That is my personal opinion, of course, educated because I have had functioning eyes and ears over the past 5 years. This is also why he has been purged from social media. It is likely similar attacks (yes, attacks) were already planned and organized via the Parler app. This is why that app is gone too.
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:24 am

Greeson is a lucky man. Not only should his pathetic obituary contain the word "moronic" but also "Traitor/terrorist." Long may it follow his legacy.

I know I repeatedly speak very callously of the traitors, and I want to clarify that I've met a great many of my fellow Americans, and I've had fundamental disagreements with some, and agreed with others. But the vast majority were good people, with whom I just didn't agree with at times.

The reason I don't care of speaking ill of these idiots is because they ceased to be "my fellow Americans"
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:13 am

Update on the officer screaming out while attack mob crushed him/his head in their attempt to breach a corridor.

The police officer whose head was smashed in a doorway by pro-Trump mob at US Capitol was injured and will be out of work 'for a while'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-capito ... 49954.html

There is a video embedded in this article showing what it was like inside one of the many cluster of attackers...

Their chant .. 'Who's House? Our House.."



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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:52 am

Having listened to Michael Moore's item, it makes you wonder how many people are in this conspiracy and how did it fail so far.

We are living in dangerous times.
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:02 am

bennett123 wrote:
Having listened to Michael Moore's item, it makes you wonder how many people are in this conspiracy and how did it fail so far.

We are living in dangerous times.

I will wait to see more verified information. Michael Moore is a leftist QAnon and I take pretty much anything he says was a hefty grain of salt.
 
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:06 am

FGITD wrote:
Greeson is a lucky man. Not only should his pathetic obituary contain the word "moronic" but also "Traitor/terrorist." Long may it follow his legacy.

I know I repeatedly speak very callously of the traitors, and I want to clarify that I've met a great many of my fellow Americans, and I've had fundamental disagreements with some, and agreed with others. But the vast majority were good people, with whom I just didn't agree with at times.

The reason I don't care of speaking ill of these idiots is because they ceased to be "my fellow Americans"


Why does a peaceful protestor have a taser?

Seems far fetched. But who knows. Seems he died by other means according to other information.
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Re: Pro-Trump Riot in US Capital Building

Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:16 am

lucky one

Can you answer the points that he makes about this was able to happen?.

THAT is why I am taking this seriously.

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