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Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:41 am

Trump was almost gone. The man who is his own worst enemy was about to fade into oblivion. Will he now be a martyr?

Parler, gone. Trump, gone. Ron Paul of all people, gone at least temporarily. Many other conservatives, gone, deplatformed. All the left had to do was to let the Trump era fade into oblivion, but instead went on full attack mode. Only a few days left, and they want another impeachment, are blocking his ability to communicate, are talking about blacklisting administration employees from ever working or even travelling.

All the left had to do was let it die out, instead they outraged half of the country who will now have stronger resolve and more determination to fight back and become more, and more extreme. This was the worst move that the left could have done. Get prepared for an even more divided America.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Am I crazy? I'm interested to hear all of your opinions.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:57 am

Short term it might have a tiny effect, but in 4 years it will be long forgotten. I suspect most of the outrage comes from people who already voted for Trump and identify with the far right.

If the election was tomorrow, I don't think it would move anything.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:58 am

Maybe more dangerous but not strengthened, and the danger will dwindle as the anger subsides and people realise that their behavior has consequences. They would tell you they are stronger but that's neither here nor there. Appeasement is the easy route "anything for an easy life" way to manage it. The right way to do it is to allow people to stand trial for their actions and face the consequences if they are found guilty of breaking the law.

His ability to communicate has not been blocked, he simply isn't able to use his publisher(s) of choice to promote his message. I nor anyone else can demand to have my work published. If it is deemed that someone cannot be blocked from publishing their work on a given platform then I would propose that those people would also be ok with having Parler filled with photos of men having sex?

Fun times we live in.

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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:02 am

Isn’t the question actually about deplatforming fascists and traitors?

Before social media they tended to inhabit the fringes and be subject to ridicule. It would be nice to see them back there again.

Conservatives are not being deplatformed.
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:09 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Conservatives are not being deplatformed.


:checkmark:
Not even Trump is. He is free to call a press conference even.

Its a bit like removing ISIS propaganda. Of course it will not change ISIS extremists, but it does get in the way of finding new supporters.

Few people will find the idea of signing up to whatever platform the lynch mob will move to just to see what they have to say very appealing.

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:18 am

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Few people will find the idea of signing up to whatever platform the lynch mob will move to just to see what they have to say very appealing.


:checkmark:

Many people were on Twitter and Facebook before the extremists moved in, that's how they recruited so many supporters. People didn't actively seek them out. Now the most die hard supporters will end up in a forgotten corner of the internet, almost completely isolated. But it will probably make the remaining supporters more extreme and possibly violent in the future.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:55 am

Removing large channels is very effective.
Less propaganda reaches people = good.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:05 pm

There are website management and server hosting companies that have no problems with customers like porn websites that will accept extremest political customers so long as pay the bills. AWS and other large companies have to serve government agencies and public companies so its in their best long term financial interest to not host or provide other services to sites that encourage hate, racism, sexism, anti-corporate, anti-vaxing or anti-government violence.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:10 pm

ltbewr wrote:
There are website management and server hosting companies that have no problems with customers like porn websites that will accept extremest political customers so long as pay the bills..


so far it seems they failed to find a new hoster. I tried to find an english linke, but failed https://www.heise.de/news/Parler-verkla ... 21202.html

Parler had looked for alternatives for AWS after the shutdown, but without success. John Matze, head of Parler, had initially talked about the service being unavailable for a week. But apparently Parler can't find a company willing to take over hosting. Now Parler hopes to be able to force Amazon to do so through a court order.


translation deepl.com

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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:11 pm

M564038 wrote:
Removing large channels is very effective.
Less propaganda reaches people = good.


Most follow him on SM for fun, many not in America. Problem is a small far right will go underground and start communicating, monitoring becomes more difficult for authorities.

These platforms are not technical marvels, it is the data people share made them giants, anybody can start a new service.

China never had the same platforms, most ME countries don't allow, still people use these to communicate.
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:13 pm

So they move to telegram or any other messenger or the dark web.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:21 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
Isn’t the question actually about deplatforming fascists and traitors?

Before social media they tended to inhabit the fringes and be subject to ridicule. It would be nice to see them back there again.

Conservatives are not being deplatformed.


Absolutely agree.
It's also perhaps worth noting that for 80 years many people have lambasted the response to the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 30's, not least from critics safe in the US.
It was and was called, 'Appeasement', the lesson of which was cited as a central plank in US foreign Policy ever since, the targets may have changed but it was about not giving in to dicatators, despots etc.

So it's a bit galling to say the least that a flat out wannabe despot, with his followers and their Beer Gut Putsch attempt of Jan 6th, should be treated with kid gloves.
At least that is how it can look outside the US.

Private companies in the shape of these social media platforms, who up to now have largely played lip service to any calls for responsibility over profit, (you would have thought that in 2017, Trump's mob chanting 'The Jews Will Not Replace Us' would have resonated with Zuckerberg in particular).
It did not, only an actual attempt to overturn an election and the potential legal fall out have stung platform providers into a real reaction, in other words in the case of the companies, great financial consequences, maybe a renewed call for the giants of this sector to be split up.

Seems that Jesse Einsenberg portrayed Zuckerberg all too well in the film a decade ago.
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:23 pm

Redd wrote:
Trump was almost gone. The man who is his own worst enemy was about to fade into oblivion. Will he now be a martyr?

Parler, gone. Trump, gone. Ron Paul of all people, gone at least temporarily. Many other conservatives, gone, deplatformed. All the left had to do was to let the Trump era fade into oblivion, but instead went on full attack mode. Only a few days left, and they want another impeachment, are blocking his ability to communicate, are talking about blacklisting administration employees from ever working or even travelling.

All the left had to do was let it die out, instead they outraged half of the country who will now have stronger resolve and more determination to fight back and become more, and more extreme. This was the worst move that the left could have done. Get prepared for an even more divided America.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Am I crazy? I'm interested to hear all of your opinions.


I'm guessing you are not from the "left",. Of course that's fine, we must remember all political voices willing to work within constitutional bounds are welcome and free. Now you say the left wants another impeachment. Should people just "let this incident go", to let it die out? Is that wise? In my humble opinion, I think both the left and most specially the right DID "let it go" for three years, allowing Trump to, in each cycle of bombast, push the limits further and further. You don't agree based on the last years that as time went on his conduct became more and more brazen?

So you think there should be no POLITICAL (notice I don't mean criminal, since that is a different standard of proof), consequences for Trump's TWO MONTHS of recalcitrant behavior culminating on the events of January 6th? No political fallout whatsoever for the POTUS in office at the time of these events? What message would that send to a future POTUS, whether a D or an R?

Further, no consequences for the way he divides the nation? Because you know, even as I still would consider it unconstitutional, there were other ways of conduct to pursue this motion. Trump could easily have said from the beginning, after election night "We believe there are irregularities that must be clarified, and we are taking action. This will be a long process in the courts, but we will respect the process, and make our position heard peacefully but strongly. In the meantime America should get back to fight the pandemic and help the economy". Would not that have been far more decorous and desirable? Instead he further fed people's frustrations and hysteria, and you know it. That is the mark of a bad moral center, period. He should be impeached for that. And some republicans who dismiss impeaching Trump as a "waste of energy that must be focused elsewhere", are the same ones who had no problem brooking the last 8 weeks of mindless litigation, stultifying government and ratcheting tensions in society to satisfy Trump's ego. So sorry, using the "it would divide us further, and there is no time" excuse about an impeachment process that can be done in a matter of hours as political cover to avoid it, is frankly affront to people's intelligence.

All that said I understand your point about a more divided America as a result of the actions that may come. You are right, if democrats do take the actions announced, and some Republicans join, they will provoke more of a reaction. We already have seen it, at airports and in phone calls to congressmen. But this is NOT because those actions are somehow outrageous or inherently wrong. It's because extreme elements on both sides will NEVER compromise, nor will they concede that even on the rare occasion, the leaders on their side can act wrongly or make mistakes. So anything the opposition does will provoke a similar reaction. That's why they are extremists. To cower down to them would sadly not solve the problem. It seems you believe that if the left just "lies low and quiet", that this will calm the extreme Trumpists. It won't, and I think deep down you know it too. Weakness does not usually strengthen your position.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:41 pm

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So they move to telegram or any other messenger or the dark web.


Or there may be a Gutenberg in WH basement or at the Smithsonian. Pigeons and messengers also works.
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm

Trump has NOT been silenced, he still has the Presidential Twitter Account.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:51 pm

He still has the full authority and every means that heads of state has had at all times before social media at his disposal.
You can’t take away a head of state’s free speech the same way you can’t take away queen Elizabeth’s driving license.

bennett123 wrote:
Trump has NOT been silenced, he still has the Presidential Twitter Account.
 
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Re: Is Deplatforming Conservatives Strenthening Them?

Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:50 pm

Redd wrote:
Trump was almost gone. The man who is his own worst enemy was about to fade into oblivion. Will he now be a martyr?

Parler, gone. Trump, gone. Ron Paul of all people, gone at least temporarily. Many other conservatives, gone, deplatformed. All the left had to do was to let the Trump era fade into oblivion, but instead went on full attack mode. Only a few days left, and they want another impeachment, are blocking his ability to communicate, are talking about blacklisting administration employees from ever working or even travelling.

All the left had to do was let it die out, instead they outraged half of the country who will now have stronger resolve and more determination to fight back and become more, and more extreme. This was the worst move that the left could have done. Get prepared for an even more divided America.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Am I crazy? I'm interested to hear all of your opinions.



How was it going to die out? Trump was a one Term President that could run again. You really think he would or will be quiet on the sidelines? If Trump is so popular he could build his own networks, his own platforms, and his own applications instead of outsourcing it all right. After all he has the best people. Why let others build it?

Trump relied on the Chinese for his hats, he relied on preachers to carry his religion, he relied on other people's technology to carry his hot air, he relied on immigrants to run his golf courses, and he relied on Government funds to bail out his failed businesses. .

Trump will always have a message for those that hate outsourcing, hate immigrants, and hate big tech, but it is rather funny how Trump and those "supporters rely on all of it for their hate messages.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:18 pm

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Trump relied on the Chinese for his hats.


those are actually made in California: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/fact ... 658106002/

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:33 pm

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casinterest wrote:
Trump relied on the Chinese for his hats.


those are actually made in California: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/fact ... 658106002/

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So Liberal California :)

But probably 90% of the hats are unofficial anyway.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:39 pm

casinterest wrote:
Redd wrote:
Trump was almost gone. The man who is his own worst enemy was about to fade into oblivion. Will he now be a martyr?

Parler, gone. Trump, gone. Ron Paul of all people, gone at least temporarily. Many other conservatives, gone, deplatformed. All the left had to do was to let the Trump era fade into oblivion, but instead went on full attack mode. Only a few days left, and they want another impeachment, are blocking his ability to communicate, are talking about blacklisting administration employees from ever working or even travelling.

All the left had to do was let it die out, instead they outraged half of the country who will now have stronger resolve and more determination to fight back and become more, and more extreme. This was the worst move that the left could have done. Get prepared for an even more divided America.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Am I crazy? I'm interested to hear all of your opinions.



How was it going to die out? Trump was a one Term President that could run again. You really think he would or will be quiet on the sidelines? If Trump is so popular he could build his own networks, his own platforms, and his own applications instead of outsourcing it all right. After all he has the best people. Why let others build it?

Trump relied on the Chinese for his hats, he relied on preachers to carry his religion, he relied on other people's technology to carry his hot air, he relied on immigrants to run his golf courses, and he relied on Government funds to bail out his failed businesses. .

Trump will always have a message for those that hate outsourcing, hate immigrants, and hate big tech, but it is rather funny how Trump and those "supporters rely on all of it for their hate messages.


This has been brewing for several months, why platforms are acting now. It is not hot news that Parler is breeding ground, app and hosting should have gone long back.

No action was taken by SM when the same people walked into the Michigan Capitol. It was FBI which thwarted the plot against the Governor.

If President Biden sticks to his promised agenda, people including Trump supporters will forget Trump quickly. Otherwise, President Biden and Congress will be burning too many cycles dealing with Trump, meanwhile the GOP will pick the weakest Senate seat and flip the Senate in two years.

Déjà vu all over again. Two years non-action followed by two years of lame duck.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:49 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Redd wrote:
Trump was almost gone. The man who is his own worst enemy was about to fade into oblivion. Will he now be a martyr?

Parler, gone. Trump, gone. Ron Paul of all people, gone at least temporarily. Many other conservatives, gone, deplatformed. All the left had to do was to let the Trump era fade into oblivion, but instead went on full attack mode. Only a few days left, and they want another impeachment, are blocking his ability to communicate, are talking about blacklisting administration employees from ever working or even travelling.

All the left had to do was let it die out, instead they outraged half of the country who will now have stronger resolve and more determination to fight back and become more, and more extreme. This was the worst move that the left could have done. Get prepared for an even more divided America.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Am I crazy? I'm interested to hear all of your opinions.



How was it going to die out? Trump was a one Term President that could run again. You really think he would or will be quiet on the sidelines? If Trump is so popular he could build his own networks, his own platforms, and his own applications instead of outsourcing it all right. After all he has the best people. Why let others build it?

Trump relied on the Chinese for his hats, he relied on preachers to carry his religion, he relied on other people's technology to carry his hot air, he relied on immigrants to run his golf courses, and he relied on Government funds to bail out his failed businesses. .

Trump will always have a message for those that hate outsourcing, hate immigrants, and hate big tech, but it is rather funny how Trump and those "supporters rely on all of it for their hate messages.


This has been brewing for several months, why platforms are acting now. It is not hot news that Parler is breeding ground, app and hosting should have gone long back.

No action was taken by SM when the same people walked into the Michigan Capitol. It was FBI which thwarted the plot against the Governor.

If President Biden sticks to his promised agenda, people including Trump supporters will forget Trump quickly. Otherwise, President Biden and Congress will be burning too many cycles dealing with Trump, meanwhile the GOP will pick the weakest Senate seat and flip the Senate in two years.

Déjà vu all over again. Two years non-action followed by two years of lame duck.


Platforms have a real issue in the legal world. For those of us that have been around for a few decades, we saw the birth of the internet, and rather quick dismantling of many ISP's and sites for hosting questionable content. For those that are newer to the game, remember Silk Road?

Twitter, Facebook, and anet survive due to moderation. Parler was working to become another Silk Road of hate. AWS asked for moderation to avoid legal entanglements. Parler balked.


Parler can go set up their own hardware and see how it goes, but AWS does not have to keep hosting that kind of hate.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:41 pm

As far as I know, there are some websites, like "gab", and "8chan", that were previously being deplatforned, but have made a comeback using their own server. And Trump have also indicated intention to setup his own website
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As far as I know, there are some websites, like "gab", and "8chan", that were previously being deplatforned, but have made a comeback using their own server. And Trump have also indicated intention to setup his own website

Which is fine of course. Go for it.

Again the key thing is that platforms are not required (so far) to carry everyone and anyone who wants to join. And anyone who does join must follow the rules and guidelines of the platform or site. But of course the biggest and easiest and most profitable sites and platforms, those with the largest reach and best available tech and setup, have strong rules and require moderation and will focus on dangerous and destructive content when it becomes known/a problem. (That is a problem with the scale of some of these entities, that with billions of users and forums there are often many that only the users know of and just quietly use. Even if what they are doing is illegal or breaking rules. There is no easy way to police all of the webs sites and forums. All of society depends on individual to self-enforce or assist and report so things can be taken care of.

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:03 pm

Are there still conservatives in the US ?
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:13 pm

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Are there still conservatives in the US ?

There are. However the term is actually very broad. So while we like to throw it around (along with "liberal" and left and right and populist and libertarian etc.) no one really knows who it truly applies to.

We all pick a choose and say "I'm this and you're that" then say "but on this topic I lean this way" while the other person says "well you support THAT and I don't and that makes YOU a ....." meanwhile that person agrees with the other person on these several things.....

It is all a mess and a mostly stupid one.

But yes, there are conservatives in the US (and everywhere), you just need to be very clear on what on item specifically you are referring to.

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:15 pm

Tugger wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Are there still conservatives in the US ?

There are. However the term is actually very broad. So while we like to throw it around (along with "liberal" and left and right and populist and libertarian etc.) no one really knows who it truly applies to.

We all pick a choose and say "I'm this and you're that" then say "but on this topic I lean this way" while the other person says "well you support THAT and I don't and that makes YOU a ....." meanwhile that person agrees with the other person on these several things.....

It is all a mess and a mostly stupid one.

But yes, there are conservatives in the US (and everywhere), you just need to be very clear on what on item specifically you are referring to.

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:21 pm

Would it be fair to suggest that taking people off of mainstream sites like Twitter and Facebook for certain views will just push these people to share idea's and plans on sites outside of the public eye? I'd prefer to be able to see what they're up to than to push them underground.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:28 pm

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Trump was almost gone. The man who is his own worst enemy was about to fade into oblivion. Will he now be a martyr?

Parler, gone. Trump, gone. Ron Paul of all people, gone at least temporarily. Many other conservatives, gone, deplatformed. All the left had to do was to let the Trump era fade into oblivion, but instead went on full attack mode. Only a few days left, and they want another impeachment, are blocking his ability to communicate, are talking about blacklisting administration employees from ever working or even travelling.

All the left had to do was let it die out, instead they outraged half of the country who will now have stronger resolve and more determination to fight back and become more, and more extreme. This was the worst move that the left could have done. Get prepared for an even more divided America.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Am I crazy? I'm interested to hear all of your opinions.




So armed insurrectionists who stormed the capitol, brutally killed a police officer, had hands full of zip ties and so on shouldn’t face justice? Luckily the bombs that law enforcement found didn’t explode and the specific democrats they threatened to kill were protected. Do you think if Nancy Pelosi was caught in the chaos that they would have kindly allowed her to leave? Chaos reigns and people are free to do whatever. No biggie. That’s just normalizing bad behavior. Right wing extremism is a growing problem in this country. The FBI has said this several times. How should we confront it? Just allow them to do whatever for fear of upsetting them? Yah, no, I don’t think so........
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:31 pm

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Would it be fair to suggest that taking people off of mainstream sites like Twitter and Facebook for certain views will just push these people to share idea's and plans on sites outside of the public eye? I'd prefer to be able to see what they're up to than to push them underground.

Not me, I want them trading their ideas on the same sites that handle child porn, fentanyl and stolen ID info etc.

No need to have normal people become involved and then gather momentum and then money and then go mainstream. We just trued that and look what it got us.

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:33 pm

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Phenom89 wrote:
Would it be fair to suggest that taking people off of mainstream sites like Twitter and Facebook for certain views will just push these people to share idea's and plans on sites outside of the public eye? I'd prefer to be able to see what they're up to than to push them underground.

Not me, I want them trading their ideas on the same sites that handle child porn, fentanyl and stolen ID info etc.

No need to have normal people become involved and then gather momentum and then money and then go mainstream. We just trued that and look what it got us.

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That makes sense to me! Thankyou.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:53 pm

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Would it be fair to suggest that taking people off of mainstream sites like Twitter and Facebook for certain views will just push these people to share idea's and plans on sites outside of the public eye? I'd prefer to be able to see what they're up to than to push them underground.


People on Parler were saying some very incriminating stuff on there because they thought they were between themselves, authorities just had to pick them up if they wanted, so there are advantages too. Most cray cray people were either already banned from Twitter, or self censored there.

A smart law enforcement agency should nudge amazon and co to restore Parler so that they have more people to catch, but I guess they're overwhelmed with the amount they have already.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:55 pm

Phenom89 wrote:
Would it be fair to suggest that taking people off of mainstream sites like Twitter and Facebook for certain views will just push these people to share idea's and plans on sites outside of the public eye? I'd prefer to be able to see what they're up to than to push them underground.


They can run, but they cannot hide. Where ever they go, what ever platform they choose the prying eye will find them.
They prying eye isn't always necessary law enforcement but could just as well be opposing groups who want to know what the fascists are up to.

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:16 pm

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This has been brewing for several months, why platforms are acting now. It is not hot news that Parler is breeding ground, app and hosting should have gone long back.

No action was taken by SM when the same people walked into the Michigan Capitol. It was FBI which thwarted the plot against the Governor.

If President Biden sticks to his promised agenda, people including Trump supporters will forget Trump quickly. Otherwise, President Biden and Congress will be burning too many cycles dealing with Trump, meanwhile the GOP will pick the weakest Senate seat and flip the Senate in two years.

Déjà vu all over again. Two years non-action followed by two years of lame duck.



I would say years actually. I know many want to believe this happened overnight but it didn't. It has come from electing fringe candidates and the gridlock in congress.. It's also very disingenuous to think this all started under Trump. I also see the House flipping before the Senate is Biden doesn't moderate and gets pulled further left. Again we have to look at what is really happening and that is congress. Not an outgoing president. Joe Manchin said it perfectly, we need to moderate. If we approached every bit of legislation that way none of this would ever happen. My way or the highway doesn't work. Hasn't worked.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:21 pm

He should have been blocked from social media before he took office even. He broke the Twitter guidelines almost on a daily basis and even the laws as well by spreading hate and threatening with violence such as nuclear war (during his presidency). I don’t know what took them so long but this isn’t covered by freedom of speech.

The only reason I can think of is that he was good for twitters’ bottomline.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:33 pm

Tugger wrote:
Phenom89 wrote:
Would it be fair to suggest that taking people off of mainstream sites like Twitter and Facebook for certain views will just push these people to share idea's and plans on sites outside of the public eye? I'd prefer to be able to see what they're up to than to push them underground.

Not me, I want them trading their ideas on the same sites that handle child porn, fentanyl and stolen ID info etc.

No need to have normal people become involved and then gather momentum and then money and then go mainstream. We just trued that and look what it got us.

Tugg


Completely agree. It also shouldn't be understated that while it was easy breezy for some uninformed baby boomer to wander onto facebook or twitter only to be sucked into a far right echo chamber and engage, the steps necessary to access and participate in these secondary platforms like the dark web are in and of themselves a deterrent. That's good.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:57 pm

winginit wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Phenom89 wrote:
Would it be fair to suggest that taking people off of mainstream sites like Twitter and Facebook for certain views will just push these people to share idea's and plans on sites outside of the public eye? I'd prefer to be able to see what they're up to than to push them underground.

Not me, I want them trading their ideas on the same sites that handle child porn, fentanyl and stolen ID info etc.

No need to have normal people become involved and then gather momentum and then money and then go mainstream. We just trued that and look what it got us.

Tugg


Completely agree. It also shouldn't be understated that while it was easy breezy for some uninformed baby boomer to wander onto facebook or twitter only to be sucked into a far right echo chamber and engage, the steps necessary to access and participate in these secondary platforms like the dark web are in and of themselves a deterrent. That's good.



We are were we are because they are able to reach mentally unstable people on the regular platforms. Better for them to stay off the mainstream sites.

Look at it this way, if there had been a few thousand more crazy folks that went into the Senate, how would that have turned out?
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:07 pm

Conservatives? Like Milo?


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Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:23 pm

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Trump has NOT been silenced, he still has the Presidential Twitter Account.


While the POTUS account still exists, Twitter has banned Trump from using it so he does not have access to it. Ergo, it has been temporarily suspended until Biden takes office.

If Trump needs to address anyone for any reason, he needs to man up and just call a damn press conference. It is not that hard to do.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:38 pm

Deplatforming conservatives will do as much to stop loony conspiracy theorists as much as any military intervention has stopped terrorism. We've been down this road before. The problem is if one does nothing, then one becomes an enabler.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:15 pm

Trump, the sitting president, can go RIGHT NOW to the WH briefing room and every TV channel on the planet would cover it with haste. But yeah he's totally been "de-plarformed".


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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:37 pm

So we are just going to ignore all the BLM protesters who were IMMEDIATELY arrested during protests and IMMEDIATELY charged during protests and some even had their social media accounts suspended. But, do continue with the "but MAGA are victims!" and "why do liberals hate free speech" rhetoric.

These terrorists desecrated federal property. And many got away with it. The few who were arrested will be charged with felonies and, hopefully, convicted. This will strip them of their right to legally own guns. The irony is so delicious it must be fattening!

But, of course, that is "liberals" fault, too. When in doubt, blame liberals and BLM and antifa for MAGA's illegal actions.

Again, and this can not be stressed enough: Protesting police brutality and social inequality is not even the same as breaking into the Capital with guns and killing officers and demanding the execution of elected officials. Not even in the same universe. Never forget that.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:41 pm

seb146 wrote:
So we are just going to ignore all the BLM protesters who were IMMEDIATELY arrested during protests and IMMEDIATELY charged during protests and some even had their social media accounts suspended. But, do continue with the "but MAGA are victims!" and "why do liberals hate free speech" rhetoric.

Duh. For people who have emotionally invested their identity in aligning with a political party there is no other choice. Their identity depends on the success or face of the political party. It's different than one's politics, which is one's opinions. This is concept of self. Trust me, I grew up in a house like this. It's not going to change. They will follow completely over the cliff.

For the record, the violent and destructive BLM protestors should have been arrested and prosecuted, IMHO.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:44 pm

luckyone wrote:
seb146 wrote:
So we are just going to ignore all the BLM protesters who were IMMEDIATELY arrested during protests and IMMEDIATELY charged during protests and some even had their social media accounts suspended. But, do continue with the "but MAGA are victims!" and "why do liberals hate free speech" rhetoric.

Duh. For people who have emotionally invested their identity in aligning with a political party there is no other choice. Their identity depends on the success or face of the political party. It's different than one's politics, which is one's opinions. This is concept of self. Trust me, I grew up in a house like this. It's not going to change. They will follow completely over the cliff.

For the record, the violent and destructive BLM protestors should have been arrested and prosecuted, IMHO.


What do you mean by "should"? Over 14000 where arrested...

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:46 pm

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Trump, the sitting president, can go RIGHT NOW to the WH briefing room and every TV channel on the planet would cover it with haste. But yeah he's totally been "de-plarformed".


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This is the beauty of it. The man has a literal press Corp that follows him around and will broadcast his every word, if he so chooses. The problem he has is that some of them might try to verify his info or ask for accountability.

All he lost is the ability to tweet lies and hate messages from the toilet at 3am.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:48 pm

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luckyone wrote:
seb146 wrote:
So we are just going to ignore all the BLM protesters who were IMMEDIATELY arrested during protests and IMMEDIATELY charged during protests and some even had their social media accounts suspended. But, do continue with the "but MAGA are victims!" and "why do liberals hate free speech" rhetoric.

Duh. For people who have emotionally invested their identity in aligning with a political party there is no other choice. Their identity depends on the success or face of the political party. It's different than one's politics, which is one's opinions. This is concept of self. Trust me, I grew up in a house like this. It's not going to change. They will follow completely over the cliff.

For the record, the violent and destructive BLM protestors should have been arrested and prosecuted, IMHO.


What do you mean by "should"? Over 14000 where arrested...

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As in I had no reservations then or now about the arrests. Basically I'm saying it happened, and I agree that it should have happened. Is that more clear?
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:51 pm

luckyone wrote:
seb146 wrote:
So we are just going to ignore all the BLM protesters who were IMMEDIATELY arrested during protests and IMMEDIATELY charged during protests and some even had their social media accounts suspended. But, do continue with the "but MAGA are victims!" and "why do liberals hate free speech" rhetoric.

Duh. For people who have emotionally invested their identity in aligning with a political party there is no other choice. Their identity depends on the success or face of the political party. It's different than one's politics, which is one's opinions. This is concept of self. Trust me, I grew up in a house like this. It's not going to change. They will follow completely over the cliff.

For the record, the violent and destructive BLM protestors should have been arrested and prosecuted, IMHO.


There were mass arrests at BLM protests.

You do make an interesting point: these MAGA protesters put all their faith and hopes and dreams on one man and when that fails, they listen to that one man who says it is all fake and rigged and violence is the only way. Compared to BLM protesters who have been waiting decades for anything to change. Things inch forward sometimes, but mostly things are the same and both parties are to blame. Democrats less than Republicans. BLM do not put their faith and hope and dreams in one person or one party. They individually support candidates or a party but they are not a hive mind. They are not a Borg collective. They want police to treat minorities like police treat armed Christian white men.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:53 pm

seb146 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
seb146 wrote:
So we are just going to ignore all the BLM protesters who were IMMEDIATELY arrested during protests and IMMEDIATELY charged during protests and some even had their social media accounts suspended. But, do continue with the "but MAGA are victims!" and "why do liberals hate free speech" rhetoric.

Duh. For people who have emotionally invested their identity in aligning with a political party there is no other choice. Their identity depends on the success or face of the political party. It's different than one's politics, which is one's opinions. This is concept of self. Trust me, I grew up in a house like this. It's not going to change. They will follow completely over the cliff.

For the record, the violent and destructive BLM protestors should have been arrested and prosecuted, IMHO.


There were mass arrests at BLM protests..

Yeah I could've worded that better. I tried to clarify it by saying basically I agree with the arrests of violent BLM protestors. Apologies for the confusion.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:55 pm

luckyone wrote:
seb146 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
Duh. For people who have emotionally invested their identity in aligning with a political party there is no other choice. Their identity depends on the success or face of the political party. It's different than one's politics, which is one's opinions. This is concept of self. Trust me, I grew up in a house like this. It's not going to change. They will follow completely over the cliff.

For the record, the violent and destructive BLM protestors should have been arrested and prosecuted, IMHO.


There were mass arrests at BLM protests..

Yeah I could've worded that better. I tried to clarify it by saying basically I agree with the arrests of violent BLM protestors. Apologies for the confusion.


You posted that as I was typing my post. I didn't need to bring it up again.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:59 pm

luckyone wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
Duh. For people who have emotionally invested their identity in aligning with a political party there is no other choice. Their identity depends on the success or face of the political party. It's different than one's politics, which is one's opinions. This is concept of self. Trust me, I grew up in a house like this. It's not going to change. They will follow completely over the cliff.

For the record, the violent and destructive BLM protestors should have been arrested and prosecuted, IMHO.


What do you mean by "should"? Over 14000 where arrested...

Best regards
Thomas

As in I had no reservations then or now about the arrests. Basically I'm saying it happened, and I agree that it should have happened. Is that more clear?


Yup, that is better. Alas plenty of Non-violent BLM protesters got arrested too, some literally snatched into unmarked Vans....

Meanwhile, the Quanon Shaman gets served organic food: https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-shaman-o ... li-1560754

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:00 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

What do you mean by "should"? Over 14000 where arrested...

Best regards
Thomas

As in I had no reservations then or now about the arrests. Basically I'm saying it happened, and I agree that it should have happened. Is that more clear?


Yup, that is better. Alas plenty of Non-violent BLM protesters got arrested too, some literally snatched into unmarked Vans....

Meanwhile, the Quanon Shaman gets served organic food: https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-shaman-o ... li-1560754

Best regards
Thomas

Bless his little snowflake heart. Wasn't it precious that his mommy had to plea for him to eat organic food...

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