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American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:27 pm

According to an exclusive poll at AXIOS, trust in the media is at an all time low. https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisi ... 283a9.html

This is a problem which has been happening for years, their bias against certain political groups, and we have seen it for a long time. We are seeing it in present time with the huge and stark differences covering the Biden administration compared to the Trump administration.

Few important points of the poll:

Why it matters: Faith in society's central institutions, especially in government and the media, is the glue that holds society together. That glue was visibly dissolving a decade ago, and has now, for many millions of Americans, disappeared entirely.

By the numbers: For the first time ever, fewer than half of all Americans have trust in traditional media, according to data from Edelman's annual trust barometer shared exclusively with Axios. Trust in social media has hit an all-time low of 27%.

56% of Americans agree with the statement that "Journalists and reporters are purposely trying to mislead people by saying things they know are false or gross exaggerations."
58% think that "most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public."
When Edelman re-polled Americans after the election, the figures had deteriorated even further, with 57% of Democrats trusting the media and only 18% of Republicans.


At the root of the issue, lies a bigger problem, the media has become activist media.

The big picture: These numbers are echoed across the rest of the world: They're mostly not a function of Donald Trump's war on "fake news".

As vaccine rumor hunter Heidi Larson puts it, "we don’t have a misinformation problem, we have a trust problem.”
News organizations have historically relied mainly on advertising income, and as those dollars flow increasingly to Google and Facebook, that has created institutional weakness that shows up in trust data.


That last part if I think the root of the problem.

Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:43 pm

It’s more complicated than that. The media is also hopelessly conflicted by their own interpretation of mission. They self-define ethics for their field, when perhaps it should be defined by an outside body.

As an example, Trump was completely unfit for office, but the media covered him and gave him so much attention that it normalized a totally bizarre and unprofessional Presidency. So in a sense, one could argue they actually failed to hold power to account by trying to straddle the line.

This was argued well in a WaPo column yesterday:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... countable/
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:55 pm

Interesting quote in there.

When Edelman re-polled Americans after the election, the figures had deteriorated even further, with 57% of Democrats trusting the media and only 18% of Republicans.


It is shown by the recent Election,Riot at the Capitol , and how easily Qanon and misinformation spread amongst the GOP and it's affiliates that there is real damage being done in conservative circles by advertising driven media. There is no doubt everyone suffers when media loses track of the truth, but perhaps the reason the lies of QAnon and Right wing Media are so successful is because there are no good reference checks by people that are "Self Sufficient" and withdrawn from outsiders.


It would be interesting to see a study of rural vs urban folks in their ability to see and understand what is happening in the world around them based on human interaction intensity, and media source checking.

I think a lot of this issue goes to what i discussed in another thread about the overwhelming isolation of rural areas and their susceptibility to the whims of Premier Networks, and Sinclair broadcasting.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:10 pm

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Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


They are way past pollical activists they are actually an arm of the party. They get the marching orders every morning with talking points and they recite it hourly and insult anybody that doesn't agree with them. It's very sinister.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:13 pm

It is nothing but comical to watch the mental gymnastics of people who use the term “media” to only describe outlets with which they disagree. Somehow their preferred information sources aren’t media.
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:14 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:


Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


They are way past pollical activists they are actually an arm of the party. They get the marching orders every morning with talking points and they recite it hourly and insult anybody that doesn't agree with them. It's very sinister.


In that vein, MSNBC and OAN/Newsmax fill identical roles.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:21 pm

Conservative politicians have been telling their constituents to ignore anything they don't want to hear for a generation. Is this really a surprise?
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:16 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:


Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


They are way past pollical activists they are actually an arm of the party. They get the marching orders every morning with talking points and they recite it hourly and insult anybody that doesn't agree with them. It's very sinister.


Totally agree. But what do you think about the more left wing media? :duck:
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:20 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:


Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


They are way past pollical activists they are actually an arm of the party. They get the marching orders every morning with talking points and they recite it hourly and insult anybody that doesn't agree with them. It's very sinister.


I agree 100%. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Breitbart, Sinclair Media, News Corp, and much of Fox programming get talking points directly from a political party, and even wield the power to prioritize what issues politicians tackle simply by giving more airtime to certain topics. They are widely syndicated and are leaders by audience share and outreach. They are the mainstream media despite railing against it. They also coyly tread a fine line between news and entertainment--news when it suits them, entertainment when someone calls them out.

Perhaps once upon a time there were a common set of problems and facts, but different approaches to solve them. Now, different parts of the media churn out their own problems and facts. It's a natural consequence of giving everyone a microphone in a profit-driven market--those with the most views garner the most attention.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:40 pm

I think it can't be understated the effect that diminished local media has on this. The reduction and sidelining of local journalism in favor of national partisan media has really led to a shift in what we think. We don't look to local journalists to tell us what's actually going on on the ground in our areas, but we refer to national media outlets.

The other part is that we're all a part of the problem. Conservatives shout from the rooftops that CNN and MSNBC have clear liberal biases but then go on to watch Fox. The left claims that Fox has clear conservative biases but then go on to watch CNN and MSNBC. Everyone hates partisan media when it's not what's on your side. The reality is that there is diminished interest in just fact based news. Especially in this day and age people want to be outraged at the other side and that's what they prefer to watch. Look at the difference between the ratings of these networks opinion shows and news shows (which still show biases) and it's night and day.

Americans can't have it both ways - we can't say we don't trust the media and the media is bad while consuming the same "bad" media that agrees with us. I also think conservatives need to start understanding that they are a part of the media? It's always interesting to see Tucker on Fox rail about the media's biases.... as if he is not a member of the media with a bias?
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:17 pm

Unsurprising. There really is no down-the-middle news media anymore save for perhaps some local newspapers and TV stations. Every major news outlet has continually gravitated towards a “side” over the past 20-30 years, trying to corner a particular market. I’m sometimes honestly shocked when reading certain articles where they’re not even trying to pretend to be objective. Anymore I just like going straight to the wire services (Reuters, AFP, AP) these days since I’m more likely to get the “just the facts” news there without the BS editorializing.
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:27 pm

flyguy89 wrote:
Anymore I just like going straight to the wire services (Reuters, AFP, AP) these days since I’m more likely to get the “just the facts” news there without the BS editorializing.

I tend to do the same. But they're not fun or sexy and they're not trying to fill up 24 hours of television programming.
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:15 pm

Newark727 wrote:
Conservative politicians have been telling their constituents to ignore anything they don't want to hear for a generation. Is this really a surprise?


Only conservatives?? :lol:
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:12 am

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Newark727 wrote:
Conservative politicians have been telling their constituents to ignore anything they don't want to hear for a generation. Is this really a surprise?


Only conservatives?? :lol:


Call me back when Pelosi or whoever calls the press the "enemy of the people."
 
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:31 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
According to an exclusive poll at AXIOS, trust in the media is at an all time low. https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisi ... 283a9.html

This is a problem which has been happening for years, their bias against certain political groups, and we have seen it for a long time. We are seeing it in present time with the huge and stark differences covering the Biden administration compared to the Trump administration.

Few important points of the poll:

Why it matters: Faith in society's central institutions, especially in government and the media, is the glue that holds society together. That glue was visibly dissolving a decade ago, and has now, for many millions of Americans, disappeared entirely.

By the numbers: For the first time ever, fewer than half of all Americans have trust in traditional media, according to data from Edelman's annual trust barometer shared exclusively with Axios. Trust in social media has hit an all-time low of 27%.

56% of Americans agree with the statement that "Journalists and reporters are purposely trying to mislead people by saying things they know are false or gross exaggerations."
58% think that "most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public."
When Edelman re-polled Americans after the election, the figures had deteriorated even further, with 57% of Democrats trusting the media and only 18% of Republicans.


At the root of the issue, lies a bigger problem, the media has become activist media.

The big picture: These numbers are echoed across the rest of the world: They're mostly not a function of Donald Trump's war on "fake news".

As vaccine rumor hunter Heidi Larson puts it, "we don’t have a misinformation problem, we have a trust problem.”
News organizations have historically relied mainly on advertising income, and as those dollars flow increasingly to Google and Facebook, that has created institutional weakness that shows up in trust data.


That last part if I think the root of the problem.

Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


It also doesn't help that you had a sitting president refer to any news he didn't like as "fake news". Or refer to the press as enemies of the people while praising conspiracy theory monger and overall bad person Alex Jones as doing good work. People hear this sort of thing constantly and they start to believe it.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:35 am

LMP737 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
According to an exclusive poll at AXIOS, trust in the media is at an all time low. https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisi ... 283a9.html

This is a problem which has been happening for years, their bias against certain political groups, and we have seen it for a long time. We are seeing it in present time with the huge and stark differences covering the Biden administration compared to the Trump administration.

Few important points of the poll:

Why it matters: Faith in society's central institutions, especially in government and the media, is the glue that holds society together. That glue was visibly dissolving a decade ago, and has now, for many millions of Americans, disappeared entirely.

By the numbers: For the first time ever, fewer than half of all Americans have trust in traditional media, according to data from Edelman's annual trust barometer shared exclusively with Axios. Trust in social media has hit an all-time low of 27%.

56% of Americans agree with the statement that "Journalists and reporters are purposely trying to mislead people by saying things they know are false or gross exaggerations."
58% think that "most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public."
When Edelman re-polled Americans after the election, the figures had deteriorated even further, with 57% of Democrats trusting the media and only 18% of Republicans.


At the root of the issue, lies a bigger problem, the media has become activist media.

The big picture: These numbers are echoed across the rest of the world: They're mostly not a function of Donald Trump's war on "fake news".

As vaccine rumor hunter Heidi Larson puts it, "we don’t have a misinformation problem, we have a trust problem.”
News organizations have historically relied mainly on advertising income, and as those dollars flow increasingly to Google and Facebook, that has created institutional weakness that shows up in trust data.


That last part if I think the root of the problem.

Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


It also doesn't help that you had a sitting president refer to any news he didn't like as "fake news". Or refer to the press as enemies of the people while praising conspiracy theory monger and overall bad person Alex Jones as doing good work. People hear this sort of thing constantly and they start to believe it.


Not to mention the harm from spreading that kind of narrative in places where critical thinking education is in short supply.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:47 am

LMP737 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
According to an exclusive poll at AXIOS, trust in the media is at an all time low. https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisi ... 283a9.html

This is a problem which has been happening for years, their bias against certain political groups, and we have seen it for a long time. We are seeing it in present time with the huge and stark differences covering the Biden administration compared to the Trump administration.

Few important points of the poll:

Why it matters: Faith in society's central institutions, especially in government and the media, is the glue that holds society together. That glue was visibly dissolving a decade ago, and has now, for many millions of Americans, disappeared entirely.

By the numbers: For the first time ever, fewer than half of all Americans have trust in traditional media, according to data from Edelman's annual trust barometer shared exclusively with Axios. Trust in social media has hit an all-time low of 27%.

56% of Americans agree with the statement that "Journalists and reporters are purposely trying to mislead people by saying things they know are false or gross exaggerations."
58% think that "most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public."
When Edelman re-polled Americans after the election, the figures had deteriorated even further, with 57% of Democrats trusting the media and only 18% of Republicans.


At the root of the issue, lies a bigger problem, the media has become activist media.

The big picture: These numbers are echoed across the rest of the world: They're mostly not a function of Donald Trump's war on "fake news".

As vaccine rumor hunter Heidi Larson puts it, "we don’t have a misinformation problem, we have a trust problem.”
News organizations have historically relied mainly on advertising income, and as those dollars flow increasingly to Google and Facebook, that has created institutional weakness that shows up in trust data.


That last part if I think the root of the problem.

Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


It also doesn't help that you had a sitting president refer to any news he didn't like as "fake news". Or refer to the press as enemies of the people while praising conspiracy theory monger and overall bad person Alex Jones as doing good work. People hear this sort of thing constantly and they start to believe it.


This predates Trump. So why would 43% of Democrats not trust the media then? Only 57% of Democrats do is it Trump's fault there too?

This is not a Democrat or Republican or Conservative or Liberal problem, is much deeper than that. Main reason why this thread has become so partisan, despite me trying my upmost not to make it so. Liberals/Democrats blame Republicans, Conservatives/Republicans blame Democrats.

My opinion, the media should have their opinion programs, or pages etc, but reporting basic news has become so biased, it shouldn't be. They should just report the news as they hear and see, and present it to the people directly, not inject their political opinions or views on them.

The only media that works is, C-Span and the Weather channel. For now.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:50 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
LMP737 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
According to an exclusive poll at AXIOS, trust in the media is at an all time low. https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisi ... 283a9.html

This is a problem which has been happening for years, their bias against certain political groups, and we have seen it for a long time. We are seeing it in present time with the huge and stark differences covering the Biden administration compared to the Trump administration.

Few important points of the poll:



At the root of the issue, lies a bigger problem, the media has become activist media.



That last part if I think the root of the problem.

Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


It also doesn't help that you had a sitting president refer to any news he didn't like as "fake news". Or refer to the press as enemies of the people while praising conspiracy theory monger and overall bad person Alex Jones as doing good work. People hear this sort of thing constantly and they start to believe it.


This predates Trump. So why would 43% of Democrats not trust the media then? Only 57% of Democrats do is it Trump's fault there too?

This is not a Democrat or Republican or Conservative or Liberal problem, is much deeper than that. Main reason why this thread has become so partisan, despite me trying my upmost not to make it so. Liberals/Democrats blame Republicans, Conservatives/Republicans blame Democrats.

My opinion, the media should have their opinion programs, or pages etc, but reporting basic news has become so biased, it shouldn't be. They should just report the news as they hear and see, and present it to the people directly, not inject their political opinions or views on them.

The only media that works is, C-Span and the Weather channel. For now.


Hannity and Maddow can start by removing ‘breaking news’ banners from their opinion shows.
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Re: American's trust in media at all time low according poll

Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:54 am

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
LMP737 wrote:

It also doesn't help that you had a sitting president refer to any news he didn't like as "fake news". Or refer to the press as enemies of the people while praising conspiracy theory monger and overall bad person Alex Jones as doing good work. People hear this sort of thing constantly and they start to believe it.


This predates Trump. So why would 43% of Democrats not trust the media then? Only 57% of Democrats do is it Trump's fault there too?

This is not a Democrat or Republican or Conservative or Liberal problem, is much deeper than that. Main reason why this thread has become so partisan, despite me trying my upmost not to make it so. Liberals/Democrats blame Republicans, Conservatives/Republicans blame Democrats.

My opinion, the media should have their opinion programs, or pages etc, but reporting basic news has become so biased, it shouldn't be. They should just report the news as they hear and see, and present it to the people directly, not inject their political opinions or views on them.

The only media that works is, C-Span and the Weather channel. For now.


Hannity and Maddow can start by removing ‘breaking news’ banners from their opinion shows.


They would just argue that it is satire that " Reasonable people" would understand that it means they are destroying the news with unreasonable lies .
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:14 am

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Unsurprising. There really is no down-the-middle news media anymore save for perhaps some local newspapers and TV stations. Every major news outlet has continually gravitated towards a “side” over the past 20-30 years, trying to corner a particular market. I’m sometimes honestly shocked when reading certain articles where they’re not even trying to pretend to be objective. Anymore I just like going straight to the wire services (Reuters, AFP, AP) these days since I’m more likely to get the “just the facts” news there without the BS editorializing.


I have a different way, I just don't watch TV anymore. I don't buy newspapers either. In my country, local newspapers are pretty much all News Corp, so they all run the same line pretty much along with a few local news fluffy stories, or the shock and awe story to scare the oldies into thinking the world is ending and the sky is falling down, with the mandatory "I'm terrified" comment from one of them. The reality is rather different from what they are fed, but it usefully keeps them scared and keeps old Grandpa Murdoch in good business.

It would be great to also make stuff that is "opinion" be clearly identified as such.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:24 am

The media has been crap for years. It's a known fact that 5 companies control 90% of all media - Disney, News Corp, Viacom, Time Warner, and Comcast. Ratings, clicks, and ad revenue is what drives everything, not facts. That's why journos are so quick to rush things onto the air before fact checking, because they want the creds for being the "first to break the story". I mean, how many times did a "bombshell" report related to Trump/Russia have to be retracted? I can't even count.

And this isn't a left/right issue. As the poll shows, 43% of democrats don't trust the media. Most of those are likely younger, progressive types. Everyone who pays attention knows the mainstream media is not to be trusted. They protect the powerful and their own corporate interests.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:48 am

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My opinion, the media should have their opinion programs, or pages etc, but reporting basic news has become so biased, it shouldn't be. They should just report the news as they hear and see, and present it to the people directly, not inject their political opinions or views on them.


Any network that has opinion news programs and hard news is always going to be conflicted because the opinion news will out rate the hard news. The base for a network like this (usually cable) is going to be built on the opinion programs so that's the angle they're going to want.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:39 am

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The media has been crap for years. It's a known fact that 5 companies control 90% of all media - Disney, News Corp, Viacom, Time Warner, and Comcast. Ratings, clicks, and ad revenue is what drives everything, not facts. That's why journos are so quick to rush things onto the air before fact checking, because they want the creds for being the "first to break the story". I mean, how many times did a "bombshell" report related to Trump/Russia have to be retracted? I can't even count.

And this isn't a left/right issue. As the poll shows, 43% of democrats don't trust the media. Most of those are likely younger, progressive types. Everyone who pays attention knows the mainstream media is not to be trusted. They protect the powerful and their own corporate interests.


And, to add to that, younger progressive types will question and research and use critical thinking. Facts have a liberal bias anyway.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:27 pm

News and facts don't sell.
Hysteria, Hyperbole and Identity Politics do.
 
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News and facts don't sell.
Hysteria, Hyperbole and Identity Politics do.

Agreed, across the political spectrum.
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Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:52 am

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News and facts don't sell.
Hysteria, Hyperbole and Identity Politics do.


I would strike "identity politics" as that is a term coined by the right to hate "liberals" for inclusion.
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seb146 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
News and facts don't sell.
Hysteria, Hyperbole and Identity Politics do.


I would strike "identity politics" as that is a term coined by the right to hate "liberals" for inclusion.


Sure. I was trying to convey the fact the media might setup to groups of people against each other just for the “entertainment value” of it.
 
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I would strike "identity politics" as that is a term coined by the right to hate "liberals" for inclusion.


Of course for it would lend credence to this very statement which is totally ridiculous. :sarcastic:
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Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:43 am

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I would strike "identity politics" as that is a term coined by the right to hate "liberals" for inclusion.


Of course for it would lend credence to this very statement which is totally ridiculous. :sarcastic:


There is identity politics on both sides, but the term was clearly used in recent years to hate on liberals.

It is a very sad situation in the US given that the majority of news outlets (leaving aside Fox/MSNBC commentary) is somewhat centrist and overall factual).
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Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:02 am

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Interesting take from an outlet not aligned or known to be biased towards the right. Some sane arguments indeed. The main issue at play here is not 'misinformation' or the need to 'rein into' the media. The media has lost all credibility once they became political activists. Not good.


They are way past pollical activists they are actually an arm of the party. They get the marching orders every morning with talking points and they recite it hourly and insult anybody that doesn't agree with them. It's very sinister.


You're talking about Fox News, right ? Who literally had Trump rambling for hours on end on their channel ?
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Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:47 am

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News and facts don't sell.
Hysteria, Hyperbole and Identity Politics do.


I would strike "identity politics" as that is a term coined by the right to hate "liberals" for inclusion.


Sure. I was trying to convey the fact the media might setup to groups of people against each other just for the “entertainment value” of it.


"The media" being the right wing. Why should "liberal" media apologize or even stop including groups like Natives or Muslims or LGBTQ or women? That is "identity politics" the right hates so much. "Liberals" have to make a point of saying "this 'liberal' legislation benefits Natives by...." or "this piece of 'liberal' legislation benefits Muslims by...." or "this piece of 'liberal' legislation benefits LGBTQ by...." as opposed to Republicans announcing "patriots must oppose this 'liberal' legislation because of identity politics".
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Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:10 pm

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They are way past pollical activists they are actually an arm of the party. They get the marching orders every morning with talking points and they recite it hourly and insult anybody that doesn't agree with them. It's very sinister.


wrong tree form.

Media, either party, ... and various grassroots efforts get their orders from "out of direct sight" interest groups.
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Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:00 pm

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It’s more complicated than that. The media is also hopelessly conflicted by their own interpretation of mission. They self-define ethics for their field, when perhaps it should be defined by an outside body.

As an example, Trump was completely unfit for office, but the media covered him and gave him so much attention that it normalized a totally bizarre and unprofessional Presidency. So in a sense, one could argue they actually failed to hold power to account by trying to straddle the line.

This was argued well in a WaPo column yesterday:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... countable/


Well, I think it is completely fair to have low trust in the media. They changed how they do things. Advocacy and "social justice" is a part of every serious journalist's mission now. Unfortunately, this means that serious journalism has died (at least in the US).

And we can't survive long without it. I don't think an "outside body" controlling journalism is healthy.

Just because a history book is written, does not mean you automatically believe what it says. This is why critical thinking used to be taught in schools. You need to consider the author's context, personal motivations, etc before you can understand what is written. Same thing with journalism.

You're right that Trump used dusty old tricks to manipulate the media. But that was transparent. The media also use tricks daily.

The reason trust in media would be lower today is because the media has become more like a church. This is a change in syntax. They aren't doing the same thing they used to do.

Trump brought up a bunch of super uncomfortable topics that the media refused to touch. That was the source of his power.
 
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Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:14 pm

Is it sad I come here for most of my news for some things ?
As I don't watch TV much, as far as news goes, it seems like all the outlets want is Likes, views and shares and don't really care about how they are being perceived. In there heads I don't think they are on one side or the other. Is it possible that they are neutral and we are just hearing and seeing what we want ?
Even sadder is the one co-worker at my place that gets all his news off Tic-tok, and believes what he sees,
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Watch this video (the first 5-6 minutes are enough) and tell me Fox News didn't almost single handedly create this mess (and is now losing out because the mindless drones they created think they're "too left" ) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmcvCz6sPk
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Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:50 pm

I have been obsessed with radio stations since I was very young. I keep a list of all that I have heard. Yes, it is OCD but so what? I find it interesting that the AM talk radio opinion stations brand themselves as "news radio" or "information" or something innocent while hosting right wing and, sometimes, far right wing extremists hosts like Hannity and Limbaugh and Levin and Lars Larson. "but.. but.. but... MSNBC!" or "but.. but.. but.. CNN!" is the stock right wing response in order for they themselves to excuse their own bad behavior.
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Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:35 pm

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I would strike "identity politics" as that is a term coined by the right to hate "liberals" for inclusion.


Sure. I was trying to convey the fact the media might setup to groups of people against each other just for the “entertainment value” of it.


"The media" being the right wing. Why should "liberal" media apologize or even stop including groups like Natives or Muslims or LGBTQ or women? That is "identity politics" the right hates so much. "Liberals" have to make a point of saying "this 'liberal' legislation benefits Natives by...." or "this piece of 'liberal' legislation benefits Muslims by...." or "this piece of 'liberal' legislation benefits LGBTQ by...." as opposed to Republicans announcing "patriots must oppose this 'liberal' legislation because of identity politics".


Uh, I don't think that's what the Republicans mean when they say identity politics. A better fitting example is the last 50 or so pieces about why Kamala Harris is the best VP for being the first black and first female without talking about her policies or credentials or the past.

Another example is, aftermath of accidental manslaughter of George Floyd vs the aftermath of blatant murder of Daniel Shaver. Which one got racialized and had 3 months of riots?
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:24 am

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Dieuwer wrote:

Sure. I was trying to convey the fact the media might setup to groups of people against each other just for the “entertainment value” of it.


"The media" being the right wing. Why should "liberal" media apologize or even stop including groups like Natives or Muslims or LGBTQ or women? That is "identity politics" the right hates so much. "Liberals" have to make a point of saying "this 'liberal' legislation benefits Natives by...." or "this piece of 'liberal' legislation benefits Muslims by...." or "this piece of 'liberal' legislation benefits LGBTQ by...." as opposed to Republicans announcing "patriots must oppose this 'liberal' legislation because of identity politics".


Uh, I don't think that's what the Republicans mean when they say identity politics. A better fitting example is the last 50 or so pieces about why Kamala Harris is the best VP for being the first black and first female without talking about her policies or credentials or the past.

Another example is, aftermath of accidental manslaughter of George Floyd vs the aftermath of blatant murder of Daniel Shaver. Which one got racialized and had 3 months of riots?


I follow some of the main stream "liberal" outlets and I have not heard any of them say VP Harris is "the best" but they do say how historic it is that she is vice president. Much like how "liberal" media made a big deal about Pelosi being two heartbeats away from the presidency the first time she was elected Speaker Of The House. We understand this is historic and something that we should celebrate even if we disagree with their stands on different subjects.

As far as George Floyd and Daniel Shaver, one had a gun, the other was Black. Yes, both were murdered and BLM stood with the victims but there is still a huge difference from cops between minorities and whites.

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/i ... -profiling
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/ ... a-shooting
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Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:37 pm

Identity Politics is actually a term coined by the Combahee River Collective in 1977, a "Black feminist lesbian socialist organization active in Boston from 1974 to 1980."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combahee_River_Collective
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:22 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Identity Politics is actually a term coined by the Combahee River Collective in 1977, a "Black feminist lesbian socialist organization active in Boston from 1974 to 1980."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combahee_River_Collective


So it could be argued that Republicans play identity politics by embracing white nationalists and racists.

Not sure what that has to do with media....
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:45 pm

seb146 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Identity Politics is actually a term coined by the Combahee River Collective in 1977, a "Black feminist lesbian socialist organization active in Boston from 1974 to 1980."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combahee_River_Collective


So it could be argued that Republicans play identity politics by embracing white nationalists and racists.

Not sure what that has to do with media....


Ah, finally we came to the "everyone I dislike is Hitler" part, my favorite of online political discussions.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:48 pm

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Ah, finally we came to the "everyone I dislike is Hitler" part, my favorite of online political discussions.


Uh... you did see the shirts some of the Capitol rioters were wearing, didn't you?
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:54 pm

Newark727 wrote:
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Ah, finally we came to the "everyone I dislike is Hitler" part, my favorite of online political discussions.


Uh... you did see the shirts some of the Capitol rioters were wearing, didn't you?


Capitol rioters represent the 75 million Republicans as much as Nation of Islam represents all of democrats. Also not everyone there was white, just like not everyone in the "Proud Boys" are white.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:41 pm

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Capitol rioters represent the 75 million Republicans as much as Nation of Islam represents all of democrats. Also not everyone there was white, just like not everyone in the "Proud Boys" are white.


You can draw a direct line between Trump's statements before during, and after the election, his allied media outlets giving credence to his claims, and the people who appeared that day. Remember when he told the Proud Boys, specifically, to "stand by" on a nationally televised debate? All the promises he made about how important his event on 6 January was going to be, and how the people supporting him had to ensure Congress didn't certify a legal vote? And if Trump wasn't representing Republicans that day, as the serving president of the United States, who the hell was?

The point is this - you brought up Hitler to ridicule seb146's point, but Trump, acting as the effective head of the Republican party, urged people to the Capitol, and as it happens, some of them thought maybe this Hitler guy had the right idea. Now I've no doubt sensible Republicans disclaim these people, but there's plenty of things the Auschwitz t-shirt brigade could be doing with their time - why did they show up outside a Trump rally, and try to go after the very same people Trump and his featured speakers had just finished denouncing? Why did they think that this was their moment?

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