olle wrote:Arion640 wrote:olle wrote:
I think that is correct. That in Swiss that not part of EU ban AZ totally without a vaccine on its own cannot be connected to any EU UK bashing.
Probably the consideration is that there is a number of below 65 or in some cases below 55 that anyway need a vaccine early meaning that the first batches anyway will be used.
EU seems to get much bigger deliverance of the other vaccines so probably the +70 anyway is covered.
This is handling risk against gain.
Also many experts are not happy with extending the time between the first and second shot. I am in no position to understand enough to have any oppinion about this, but in most northern EU and Norway except Finland vaccines are saved for the second shot meaning that soon the weak people will actually be fully vaccinated. Italy today seems to be the country with highest part of fully vaccinated people in EU also more then UK.
Fully vaccinated won’t matter, lives saved will. The science proves the Az Vaccine is okay for a few weeks without the second shot.
I totally agree. My point is that I read different opinions from different experts in different countries.
Some countries like UK says it totally fine let us go for it. UK seems to have a higher apetite for risk while accepting emergency approval for different vaccines.
In the opposite corner we have Swiss that will not accept AZ vaccine at all. Neither UK nor Swiss is EU members so EU politics should not be involved.
EU EMA has actually accepted AZ vaccine for all ages. But now Sweden, Belgium, France, Italy, Poland, Denmark, Germany counting as EU members and Norway non EU member but I believe EMA member has put 55 or 65 age as limit.
I do not have anything close to a knowledge level in this matter to say if it is UK, Swiss, EU or different EMA members has a correct opinion.
What do you base your opinion on Arion640?
One aspect that is completely overlooked so far is that the appetite for risk as you could call it, may actually be case-driven.
Given the lack of verified data on the exact response to the AZ vaccine in elderly people, it is undeniably true that there was/is a certain degree of 'live testing' going on in the UK when the decision was first taken to administer it to elderly people too. This decision is perfectly understandable from a British perspective of course, given there is no other alternative available at this point any longer! The NHS got completely inundated with covid patients and people were left dying in ambulances on the parking lot of hospitals while waiting for a place in the emergency care units even, at least if one is to believe the news reports shown overhere. In such a case, you don't care about the individual nor the long term risks of any sort of vaccine, you just use everything you have at your disposal, right away
However, other countries have found themselves lucky not to be in such outright emergency healthcare situation and seem to be able to control the inflow of Covid cases better, so they are in a position to still prioritize their decisions relating to vaccine approval, putting absolute certainty before the need for maximum speed.
This has nothing to do with the EU 'failing to speed up or to botch the rollout 'as some outlets would like to have us believe: Japan or Korea haven't started their vaccination campaigns at all, while Norway which is not an EU member, or Switzerland have both taken a far more cautious approach to the AZ vaccine too, with Switzerland even having decided to refuse the use of the AZ vaccine competely for the time being! What political points would they want to make by such a decision, either domestically or to the UK, in the eyes of all those seeing political motives in the identical decision by serveral EU countries to partially refuse the use of the AZ vaccine?
My reading is that when you have the luxury of time, the prefered global approach almost always seems this: 'better safe than sorry'.
Especially knowing there is a fairly important group of people who are wary of the speed at which all these vaccines came about, I think this is a wise thing to do.
I doubt many people will ultimaterly refuse to be vaccinated, but it seems likely that most won't mind seeing others go first to see the long term effect.
When you don't feel the urgency so much as the UK is doing, you're more enclined to agree with a policy that matches this feeling, which is why the general feeling in the UK is very much pro their 'can do' approach, while at the same time the general feeling in rest of the world is more in favour of a cautious and more gradual roll out, which I'd label 'won't try'.