proest wrote:and UK
Vaccination rates in the UK have collapsed to just 90k/day/7-day average for some reason.
Beat regards
Thomas
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proest wrote:and UK
AirbusCheerlead wrote:As I wrote in the other thread:
For Israel they vaccinated almost all eligible people. The trickle you see are probably the last 2nd doses and a few vaccine hesitants changing their mind (or/and teens turning 16).
57% fully vaccinated, and 4% with one dose gives 61% who took the vaccine. Considering that 31% (https://www.populationpyramid.net/israel/2019/)
of Israel's population is under 16 and adding about 2% for pregnant and breastfeeding women as well as people not able to take the vaccine (allergies, etc) we get 94% or only about 6% refusing to take a vaccine. Put in other words it seems Israel has about 10% of the adult population not willing to take a vaccine... (seems pretty good to me).
I believe Israel's vaccination campaign will accelerate again when Pfizer/BioNTech gets approved for those aged 12, 13, 14 and 15.
For the UK I don't think worries about vaccine hesitancy can be seen in the numbers . UK's vaccine supply is the limiting factor here. Since end of march 2nd dose have increased massively and thus much lower quantities of vaccine are available for first doses.
For example in week 8, 2.74 Mio people got a vaccine jab but only 0.19 Mio were 2nd doses. During week 14 (last week) 2.83 Mio were jabbed but 2nd doses account for 2.22 Mio. The number of first jab went down from 2.55 Mio to only 0.61 Mio
(I chose 2 weeks that had a similar number of vaccination)
Best regards and stay safe,
Jonas
lightsaber wrote:AirbusCheerlead wrote:As I wrote in the other thread:
For Israel they vaccinated almost all eligible people. The trickle you see are probably the last 2nd doses and a few vaccine hesitants changing their mind (or/and teens turning 16).
57% fully vaccinated, and 4% with one dose gives 61% who took the vaccine. Considering that 31% (https://www.populationpyramid.net/israel/2019/)
of Israel's population is under 16 and adding about 2% for pregnant and breastfeeding women as well as people not able to take the vaccine (allergies, etc) we get 94% or only about 6% refusing to take a vaccine. Put in other words it seems Israel has about 10% of the adult population not willing to take a vaccine... (seems pretty good to me).
I believe Israel's vaccination campaign will accelerate again when Pfizer/BioNTech gets approved for those aged 12, 13, 14 and 15.
For the UK I don't think worries about vaccine hesitancy can be seen in the numbers . UK's vaccine supply is the limiting factor here. Since end of march 2nd dose have increased massively and thus much lower quantities of vaccine are available for first doses.
For example in week 8, 2.74 Mio people got a vaccine jab but only 0.19 Mio were 2nd doses. During week 14 (last week) 2.83 Mio were jabbed but 2nd doses account for 2.22 Mio. The number of first jab went down from 2.55 Mio to only 0.61 Mio
(I chose 2 weeks that had a similar number of vaccination)
Best regards and stay safe,
Jonas
That is a wonderful summary. I am going to borrow your numbers to discuss vaccines!
I agree with your conclusion on numbers (I'll admit to changing my estimate of vaccine hesitant adults as I didn't realize Israel had that high of a fraction of children, ergo estimates will be off).
The UK is very supply constrained. I hope Novavax can help that issue. The next step for the UK will also be child vaccinations.
Lightsaber
seahawk wrote:Maybe it was a blessing in disguise.
marcelh wrote:seahawk wrote:Maybe it was a blessing in disguise.
I don’t think so. Even with the age restrictions, A faster delivery of AZ would have saved more lives.
AirbusCheerlead wrote:EU published and leaked production numbers for the factories in Europe up to 13.04.21: For EU countries 126 Mio jabs (100 Mio in arms) and 113.5 Mio jabs exported.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-tra ... ropeans_en
https://www.bloombergquint.com/amp/poli ... own-people
A few comments about the number:
I believe produced for the EU means "fill and finish" for exemple the Bloomberg piece shows exports to Switzerland at 3.1 Mio. But for Moderna the vaccine is produced by Lonza in Switzerland, the fill and finish happens in a EU plant before the jab returns to Switzerland.
I think EU exports numbers consider an export when they stamp it through, and not when the jabs are shipped or arrive at destination.
How much materials are imported, especially from the US, I have no idea and haven't found much information in the news.
In the 126 Mio jabs delivered, I think, the 2.2 Mio jabs of Sputnik V and Chinese vaccine delivered by Russia and China to Hungary are included.
Exports before 31.01.21 are not included in the numbers leaked to Bloomberg. And Covax numbers either but I don't know if there were many of those shipments.
But most interesting I thought, were the shipments to Japan:
- up to 15 March: 4 mio
- up to 06 April: 17 Mio (+13 Mio or 0.6 Mio/day)
- up to 13 April: 39 Mio (+22 Mio or over 3 Mio/day)
But as of 15.04.21 Japan had given a jab to 1.5% of its population or less than 2 Mio vaccine doses.
With a population of about 125 Mio, and considering 12% are under 16, Japan has 110 Mio people to vaccinate. At 100% vaccine take up and assuming 2 jab, I get 220 Mio doses.
With the Olympic games starting in 98 days I get max 2.25 Mio jabs/day to fully vaccinate the people in Japan. Could we see a mass vaccination start in Japan just in a few days?
In this recent article I found this quote:Taro Kono, the minister in charge of the rollout, has said 100 million doses should be stockpiled by June
https://theconversation.com/amp/japan-i ... ics-158700
Could the EU numbers suggest that there will be more vaccine available in Japan...
Well the next days and weeks will tell us...
Best regards and stay safe,
Jonas
AirbusCheerlead wrote:Also I think much of the DNA used to create the Pfizer mRNA is produced in US and shipped to EU (couldn't find any source of the DNA being produced in Europe)
After initial production of the mRNA, it will be purified and concentrated. After completion of mRNA production, Lipid Nanoparticles (LNP) are formed by combining mRNA and a mixture of lipids. Following further purification, the newly created drug product will then be transported to a partner site for fill and finish under sterile conditions. In addition, a panel of quality tests will be performed to confirm the quality of the product prior to release.
SQ22 wrote:AirbusCheerlead wrote:Also I think much of the DNA used to create the Pfizer mRNA is produced in US and shipped to EU (couldn't find any source of the DNA being produced in Europe)
My understanding is, at least the German facility of BioNTech in Marburg is able to produce mRNA on itw own, so at least for this plant they do not need any imports, at least after production started.After initial production of the mRNA, it will be purified and concentrated. After completion of mRNA production, Lipid Nanoparticles (LNP) are formed by combining mRNA and a mixture of lipids. Following further purification, the newly created drug product will then be transported to a partner site for fill and finish under sterile conditions. In addition, a panel of quality tests will be performed to confirm the quality of the product prior to release.
Update on vaccine production at BioNTech’s manufacturing site in Marburg
seahawk wrote:marcelh wrote:seahawk wrote:Maybe it was a blessing in disguise.
I don’t think so. Even with the age restrictions, A faster delivery of AZ would have saved more lives.
But a higher occurrence of deadly side effects would have reduced the willingness of the population to get vaccinated. In addition the protection of the AZ vaccine is lower without offering the single shot advantage of the J&J vector based vaccine.
chimborazo wrote:Still very low numbers but looks good for sensationalism.
chimborazo wrote:seahawk wrote:marcelh wrote:I don’t think so. Even with the age restrictions, A faster delivery of AZ would have saved more lives.
But a higher occurrence of deadly side effects would have reduced the willingness of the population to get vaccinated. In addition the protection of the AZ vaccine is lower without offering the single shot advantage of the J&J vector based vaccine.
The occurrence rate would theoretically remain the same... however the amount of cases would be more in absolute terms with higher numbers of people taking the vaccine. It’s in situations like this when people need to understand the difference between percentage and number of cases: we often see headlines stating such and such doubles risk of cancer but it turns out the data shows 2 people in a million versus 1 in a million for example. Still very low numbers but looks good for sensationalism.
Protection may be “lower” but it’s still very good:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56844220
tommy1808 wrote:proest wrote:and UK
Vaccination rates in the UK have collapsed to just 90k/day/7-day average for some reason.
Beat regards
Thomas
astuteman wrote:tommy1808 wrote:proest wrote:and UK
Vaccination rates in the UK have collapsed to just 90k/day/7-day average for some reason.
Beat regards
Thomas
Technically, this assertion should have been backed with a link to data, because that data would show this in not correct.
Have you picked up only the 1st dose stats?
This is the link to UK government data
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
I've watched the stats on the BBC news all this week, and they all seem to be around the 400k-500k per day range.
The government dashboard linked shows latest 7-day rates about 115k per day 1st dose, and 375k per day 2nd dose, which backs my recollection of the media published figures well
The lowest combined 7-day average since January was 309,000 on 5th April.
90k/day is put simply wrong.
Rgds
art wrote:astuteman wrote:tommy1808 wrote:
Vaccination rates in the UK have collapsed to just 90k/day/7-day average for some reason.
Beat regards
Thomas
Technically, this assertion should have been backed with a link to data, because that data would show this in not correct.
Have you picked up only the 1st dose stats?
This is the link to UK government data
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
I've watched the stats on the BBC news all this week, and they all seem to be around the 400k-500k per day range.
The government dashboard linked shows latest 7-day rates about 115k per day 1st dose, and 375k per day 2nd dose, which backs my recollection of the media published figures well
The lowest combined 7-day average since January was 309,000 on 5th April.
90k/day is put simply wrong.
Rgds
Errr... my calculations from NHS England data (ie not whole of UK) show 1st dose 7 day rolling averages as follows
Mar 25 - 399K
Apr 01 - 253K
Apr 08 - 060K
Apr 15 - 058K
Apr 22 - 091K
Data source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... cinations/
PS So England daily first doses have dropped off a cliff. Good to hear in your earlier post that emphasis will shift from second doses to first doses over the coming 2-3 weeks.
marcelh wrote:lightsaber wrote:tommy1808 wrote:
No penalty damages here, liability risk is low.
In the US and EU? Can you please post a link?
Last I read, the EU only indemnified above an unspecified limit:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/25/astraze ... -deal.html
Neither AZ nor J&J want the continued bad publicity the EU has thrown at them.
Has the EU made bad publicity about J&J? And about AZ, you still complain about the EU for "bad publicity", but it's AZ who is to blame by overpromising and underdelivering.1. EU must indemnify for going forward vaccinated and for AZ, this is the time for a reset in the rhetoric.
The EU (by the EMA) still approves the use of the AZ vaccine without limitations
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood
It's the national health authority of the member states which are to blame for the restrictions
2. Both companies must create a united public relations campaign on their respective vaccines where they promise acheiveable goals instead of the current finger pointing.
For AZ is'ts way too late.3. The EU (and every governing medical authority) must be the ones to set the guidelines and stop shrinking the guidelines. Pick who may get these two vaccines and then move forward.
The EU doesn't have the authority to do this; it's up to the member states.The current anti-corpoeate environment has AZ having its reputation destroyed.
Wrong. AZ made a deal with the EU to deliver at least 90 million doses to the member states by the end of Q1. AZ failed miserably and destryed their reputation by themselves.
Dano1977 wrote:My parents who are in their early 70's received there vaccination papers today, two minutes on the Govt website and they are booked in for there jabs tomorrow morning 2 miles from there house.
The Conservative Govt may have got a lot wrong during this pandemic which hopefully will be investigated by a public inquiry at a later date, but the Govt and NHS have got the vaccination roll out absolutely spot on.
From early purchase rights of the then still in development vaccines in great numbers to using the army for logistical support in the rollout, with at one point over 600,000 vaccinated in one day.
I believe this success will be used as a scapegoat for the previous errors made by BoJo and Co.
mad99 wrote:Completely agree
Here in Spain I don’t see myself getting a jab before winter
AirbusCheerlead wrote:mad99 wrote:Completely agree
Here in Spain I don’t see myself getting a jab before winter
Why winter?
At current vaccination spead you would get a jab no later than September.
And after the increase in April, vaccine rollout will be increased again in May and again in June, hence you will get a jab by July (worst case). If you are under 18 it might take a little longer...
Best regards, and stay safe,
Jonas
lightsaber wrote:AirbusCheerlead wrote:mad99 wrote:Completely agree
Here in Spain I don’t see myself getting a jab before winter
Why winter?
At current vaccination spead you would get a jab no later than September.
And after the increase in April, vaccine rollout will be increased again in May and again in June, hence you will get a jab by July (worst case). If you are under 18 it might take a little longer...
Best regards, and stay safe,
Jonas
I believe the other poster is referring to the reduced vaccine supply due to vaccines be scapegoated instead of used. But that is only my interpretation.
However full supply isn't required. Areas are hitting vaccine hesitance too early. Rhoo Rhoo...
Lightsaber
AirbusCheerlead wrote:mad99 wrote:Completely agree
Here in Spain I don’t see myself getting a jab before winter
Why winter?
At current vaccination spead you would get a jab no later than September.
And after the increase in April, vaccine rollout will be increased again in May and again in June, hence you will get a jab by July (worst case). If you are under 18 it might take a little longer...
Best regards, and stay safe,
Jonas
mad99 wrote:AirbusCheerlead wrote:mad99 wrote:Completely agree
Here in Spain I don’t see myself getting a jab before winter
Why winter?
At current vaccination spead you would get a jab no later than September.
And after the increase in April, vaccine rollout will be increased again in May and again in June, hence you will get a jab by July (worst case). If you are under 18 it might take a little longer...
Best regards, and stay safe,
Jonas
Spain is about 5 months into vaccines and we’re calling up +75 year olds
Do you think in in 3 months we’ll be calling up 35 year olds ?
100 to 75 is not much of the population compared to 50-40
Through in a couple of scares and it just doesn’t add up
mad99 wrote:AirbusCheerlead wrote:mad99 wrote:Completely agree
Here in Spain I don’t see myself getting a jab before winter
Why winter?
At current vaccination spead you would get a jab no later than September.
And after the increase in April, vaccine rollout will be increased again in May and again in June, hence you will get a jab by July (worst case). If you are under 18 it might take a little longer...
Best regards, and stay safe,
Jonas
Spain is about 5 months into vaccines and we’re calling up +75 year olds
Do you think in in 3 months we’ll be calling up 35 year olds ?
100 to 75 is not much of the population compared to 50-40
Through in a couple of scares and it just doesn’t add up
seahawk wrote:mad99 wrote:AirbusCheerlead wrote:
Why winter?
At current vaccination spead you would get a jab no later than September.
And after the increase in April, vaccine rollout will be increased again in May and again in June, hence you will get a jab by July (worst case). If you are under 18 it might take a little longer...
Best regards, and stay safe,
Jonas
Spain is about 5 months into vaccines and we’re calling up +75 year olds
Do you think in in 3 months we’ll be calling up 35 year olds ?
100 to 75 is not much of the population compared to 50-40
Through in a couple of scares and it just doesn’t add up
But delivers are not linear. They are expected to increase every month until the 4th quarter, when everybody should be done with it. And so far it seem like Biontech/Pfizer and Moderna alone will deliver enough.
lightsaber wrote:seahawk wrote:mad99 wrote:
Spain is about 5 months into vaccines and we’re calling up +75 year olds
Do you think in in 3 months we’ll be calling up 35 year olds ?
100 to 75 is not much of the population compared to 50-40
Through in a couple of scares and it just doesn’t add up
But delivers are not linear. They are expected to increase every month until the 4th quarter, when everybody should be done with it. And so far it seem like Biontech/Pfizer and Moderna alone will deliver enough.
To reach 70% by July, which by vaccine hesitancy is getting down to 16 year olds, I do not see it looking like enough mRNA will be available. Now, this is just my opinion.
Doing numbers, Pfizer is looking at ~ 250 million more before July (4x the 1st quarter), a total 600 million in 2021:
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... -million-0
Moderna is delaying deliveries to various countries, so it doesn't seem they can ramp up much beyond promise. I know they have new facilities coming online.
https://news.yahoo.com/moderna-says-vac ... 42090.html
EU ordered another 150 million for 2021
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/1 ... ses-469274
Now 600 million in plan for 2021
But the distribution is over quite a few nations.
https://investors.modernatx.com/news-re ... May%202021.
I'm I'm guessing maybe 100 million moderna in 2q2021 for the EU (but I couldn't find a recent hard number, did I miss it)?
Of of 450 million
It looks like 20% are vaccinated (a little over 90 million)
Now some goes into 2Q supply, but we can expect about 125 million by Pfizer, perhaps 50 million by Moderna.
So with just mRNA, the EU can break 50% in 2q2021 (when added to current already vaccinated group). Getting to 70% in one month... Isn't going to happen with only mRNA. Not hugely off, but not quite there.
Lightsaber
max999 wrote:https://www.politico.eu/article/von-der-leyen-eu-set-to-let-vaccinated-us-travelers-visit-over-summer/
So the EU will open up to vaccinated American tourists. The big questions are how it will work and which EU countries will accept american tourists.
The US government has no plans to create a vaccine passport, so how the EU verify a vaccinated American?
Will the EU accept the paper card that's being handed out to Americans as proof?
marcelh wrote:lightsaber wrote:seahawk wrote:
But delivers are not linear. They are expected to increase every month until the 4th quarter, when everybody should be done with it. And so far it seem like Biontech/Pfizer and Moderna alone will deliver enough.
To reach 70% by July, which by vaccine hesitancy is getting down to 16 year olds, I do not see it looking like enough mRNA will be available. Now, this is just my opinion.
Doing numbers, Pfizer is looking at ~ 250 million more before July (4x the 1st quarter), a total 600 million in 2021:
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... -million-0
Moderna is delaying deliveries to various countries, so it doesn't seem they can ramp up much beyond promise. I know they have new facilities coming online.
https://news.yahoo.com/moderna-says-vac ... 42090.html
EU ordered another 150 million for 2021
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/1 ... ses-469274
Now 600 million in plan for 2021
But the distribution is over quite a few nations.
https://investors.modernatx.com/news-re ... May%202021.
I'm I'm guessing maybe 100 million moderna in 2q2021 for the EU (but I couldn't find a recent hard number, did I miss it)?
Of of 450 million
It looks like 20% are vaccinated (a little over 90 million)
Now some goes into 2Q supply, but we can expect about 125 million by Pfizer, perhaps 50 million by Moderna.
So with just mRNA, the EU can break 50% in 2q2021 (when added to current already vaccinated group). Getting to 70% in one month... Isn't going to happen with only mRNA. Not hugely off, but not quite there.
Lightsaber
I’ve already stated a month ago (see upthread) the goal in the Netherlands is to get everyone above 18 who wants to be vaccinated at least once by the end of Q2. That means about 75% of everyone above 18 years is vaccinated at least once, and about one third of them will be vaccinated twice. That’s just better than the current situation in the UK.
lightsaber wrote:Seahawk,
I agree with your timeline.
What amazes me is the UK rate remains ahead of the EU.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/dail ... +Union~NLD
The EU seems to have supply. I'm a bit confused as to how the EU will achieve goals.
21.25% vaccinated 1st dose, so for goal another 48.75% *2 (two doses).
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
At the EU's prior peak of .55 doses per hundred, the hit 70% 3rd week October. So I look forward to the acceleration.
I am a cynic as for everyone (not EU specific) ramping up vaccinations as we've already discussed prior promises not meeting expectations.
sabenapilot wrote:Since the question has been asked I don't know how many times here as to why the EU did not sue A-Z over its shortfall in deliveries...
Announcing on Monday its decision to take the company to court, a European Commission spokesman said a legal claim had been made as “some terms of the contract have not been respected and the company has not been in the position to come up with a reliable strategy to ensure timely delivery of missing doses". The claim was formally lodged in the Belgian courts on Friday. A first hearing before a court in Brussels will take place on Wednesday.
AstraZeneca was able to deliver only about a quarter of the expected 120m doses in the first quarter of this year. Officials in the EU’s executive branch were particularly enraged by the refusal of the company to divert doses made in two plants in the UK. AstraZeneca’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, had claimed he was contractually obliged to provide doses made in Oxford and Staffordshire to UK residents in the first instance, although the contract with the EU mentioned both plants as potential production sites for the EU contract not having any conflicting obligations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... shortfalls
lightsaber wrote:The EU seems to have supply.
marcelh wrote:sabenapilot wrote:Since the question has been asked I don't know how many times here as to why the EU did not sue A-Z over its shortfall in deliveries...
Announcing on Monday its decision to take the company to court, a European Commission spokesman said a legal claim had been made as “some terms of the contract have not been respected and the company has not been in the position to come up with a reliable strategy to ensure timely delivery of missing doses". The claim was formally lodged in the Belgian courts on Friday. A first hearing before a court in Brussels will take place on Wednesday.
AstraZeneca was able to deliver only about a quarter of the expected 120m doses in the first quarter of this year. Officials in the EU’s executive branch were particularly enraged by the refusal of the company to divert doses made in two plants in the UK. AstraZeneca’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, had claimed he was contractually obliged to provide doses made in Oxford and Staffordshire to UK residents in the first instance, although the contract with the EU mentioned both plants as potential production sites for the EU contract not having any conflicting obligations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... shortfalls
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9512513/EU-sues-AstraZeneca-shortfall-Covid-vaccine-supplies.html
And the UK “alternative facts machine” is spreading it’s lies....
flipdewaf wrote:marcelh wrote:sabenapilot wrote:Since the question has been asked I don't know how many times here as to why the EU did not sue A-Z over its shortfall in deliveries...
Announcing on Monday its decision to take the company to court, a European Commission spokesman said a legal claim had been made as “some terms of the contract have not been respected and the company has not been in the position to come up with a reliable strategy to ensure timely delivery of missing doses". The claim was formally lodged in the Belgian courts on Friday. A first hearing before a court in Brussels will take place on Wednesday.
AstraZeneca was able to deliver only about a quarter of the expected 120m doses in the first quarter of this year. Officials in the EU’s executive branch were particularly enraged by the refusal of the company to divert doses made in two plants in the UK. AstraZeneca’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, had claimed he was contractually obliged to provide doses made in Oxford and Staffordshire to UK residents in the first instance, although the contract with the EU mentioned both plants as potential production sites for the EU contract not having any conflicting obligations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... shortfalls
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9512513/EU-sues-AstraZeneca-shortfall-Covid-vaccine-supplies.html
And the UK “alternative facts machine” is spreading it’s lies....
Meh! They f*cked up it seems. Still, if they messed up a contract and double booked production they need to decide the least worst option. Seems the commission didn’t write as good of a contract as the uk and AZ showed which they’d rather supply. From what I’ve heard the uk contract had ‘more teeth’.
Fred
flipdewaf wrote:marcelh wrote:sabenapilot wrote:Since the question has been asked I don't know how many times here as to why the EU did not sue A-Z over its shortfall in deliveries...
Announcing on Monday its decision to take the company to court, a European Commission spokesman said a legal claim had been made as “some terms of the contract have not been respected and the company has not been in the position to come up with a reliable strategy to ensure timely delivery of missing doses". The claim was formally lodged in the Belgian courts on Friday. A first hearing before a court in Brussels will take place on Wednesday.
AstraZeneca was able to deliver only about a quarter of the expected 120m doses in the first quarter of this year. Officials in the EU’s executive branch were particularly enraged by the refusal of the company to divert doses made in two plants in the UK. AstraZeneca’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, had claimed he was contractually obliged to provide doses made in Oxford and Staffordshire to UK residents in the first instance, although the contract with the EU mentioned both plants as potential production sites for the EU contract not having any conflicting obligations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... shortfalls
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9512513/EU-sues-AstraZeneca-shortfall-Covid-vaccine-supplies.html
And the UK “alternative facts machine” is spreading it’s lies....
Meh! They f*cked up it seems. Still, if they messed up a contract and double booked production they need to decide the least worst option. Seems the commission didn’t write as good of a contract as the uk and AZ showed which they’d rather supply. From what I’ve heard the uk contract had ‘more teeth’.
Fred
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flipdewaf wrote:marcelh wrote:sabenapilot wrote:Since the question has been asked I don't know how many times here as to why the EU did not sue A-Z over its shortfall in deliveries...
Announcing on Monday its decision to take the company to court, a European Commission spokesman said a legal claim had been made as “some terms of the contract have not been respected and the company has not been in the position to come up with a reliable strategy to ensure timely delivery of missing doses". The claim was formally lodged in the Belgian courts on Friday. A first hearing before a court in Brussels will take place on Wednesday.
AstraZeneca was able to deliver only about a quarter of the expected 120m doses in the first quarter of this year. Officials in the EU’s executive branch were particularly enraged by the refusal of the company to divert doses made in two plants in the UK. AstraZeneca’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, had claimed he was contractually obliged to provide doses made in Oxford and Staffordshire to UK residents in the first instance, although the contract with the EU mentioned both plants as potential production sites for the EU contract not having any conflicting obligations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... shortfalls
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9512513/EU-sues-AstraZeneca-shortfall-Covid-vaccine-supplies.html
And the UK “alternative facts machine” is spreading it’s lies....
Meh! They f*cked up it seems. Still, if they messed up a contract and double booked production they need to decide the least worst option. Seems the commission didn’t write as good of a contract as the uk and AZ showed which they’d rather supply. From what I’ve heard the uk contract had ‘more teeth’.
tommy1808 wrote:flipdewaf wrote:marcelh wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9512513/EU-sues-AstraZeneca-shortfall-Covid-vaccine-supplies.html
And the UK “alternative facts machine” is spreading it’s lies....
Meh! They f*cked up it seems. Still, if they messed up a contract and double booked production they need to decide the least worst option. Seems the commission didn’t write as good of a contract as the uk and AZ showed which they’d rather supply. From what I’ve heard the uk contract had ‘more teeth’.
Fred
Nah, the AZ management just had to decide between making two enemies, or just one and a friend.
best regards
Thomas