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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:23 am

Reality bites;
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -blackouts

Note this Abbott clown trying the 'nothing to do with me' trick.
 
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:19 am

Totally insane prices per kWh aside, what the f***k are you guys doing in the US to consume around 1000kWh per month ON AVERAGE?!? Running electric aluminium furnaces in your backyards or something?
Of course your almost prehistoric power grid brakes down if there's a little dip in supply or a spike in demand...
 
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:24 am

McMansions with paper thin walls and no insulation because they can. Until they can't.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:40 pm

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Totally insane prices per kWh aside, what the f***k are you guys doing in the US to consume around 1000kWh per month ON AVERAGE?!? Running electric aluminium furnaces in your backyards or something?
Of course your almost prehistoric power grid brakes down if there's a little dip in supply or a spike in demand...

What do you expect? People move to a climate where it’s quite hot for half the year to which they are not accustomed and oh yeah, they build very large houses which they then air condition because of said hot climate. It’s one of the reasons I laugh when people tell me they want to move to a southern state because it’s cheaper.

Sure. Let’s talk after you’ve seen Texas’ very high property tax, home insurance (also some of the highest in the nation), and utility bills (some of the highest before all this). Growing up in Atlanta, my family had an average suburban house. The electric bills could be $300+/month, and this was years ago. It would be higher now.
 
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:37 pm

Power Plant Operators Admit Entire Energy Sector Failed Texas

Because the transmission owners had to cut-off power for more customers at once than they ever had to before, some power plant operators and gas companies lost power themselves.
Morgan said the problem was after a 2011 storm wreaked havoc to a less extent, the industry and state agencies never updated their critical infrastructure lists. “You’re turning off my power plant, calling up the TDU’s and saying why are you turning off our power plant. You weren’t on our critical infrastructure or you’re at the bottom of our list.”

He and other CEOs said natural gas companies experienced problems beginning at the wellheads which froze, and transporting the gas to power plants.

Earlier in the week, the President of the Texas Oil and Gas Association, Todd Staples, told CBS 11 that many producers in the field lost production because of power outages and hazardous travel conditions made it impossible to move equipment and crews.


What a FUBAR!!!


https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/02/25/erc ... tor-texas/

Hearings in Austin continue today:

https://capitol.texas.gov/Home.aspx
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:48 pm

Fundamentalist Free Market crazies believe companies have only one purpose - make profits for the owners. That is not what old fashion conservative Republicans believed. Texas needs to move the needle on their energy companies - back to that old fashion set of values.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:54 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Power Plant Operators Admit Entire Energy Sector Failed Texas

Because the transmission owners had to cut-off power for more customers at once than they ever had to before, some power plant operators and gas companies lost power themselves.
Morgan said the problem was after a 2011 storm wreaked havoc to a less extent, the industry and state agencies never updated their critical infrastructure lists. “You’re turning off my power plant, calling up the TDU’s and saying why are you turning off our power plant. You weren’t on our critical infrastructure or you’re at the bottom of our list.”

He and other CEOs said natural gas companies experienced problems beginning at the wellheads which froze, and transporting the gas to power plants.

Earlier in the week, the President of the Texas Oil and Gas Association, Todd Staples, told CBS 11 that many producers in the field lost production because of power outages and hazardous travel conditions made it impossible to move equipment and crews.


What a FUBAR!!!


https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/02/25/erc ... tor-texas/


It is incredible what kind of stuff gets overlooked in deregulated uncompetitive markets.
Hearings in Austin continue today:

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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:40 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Fundamentalist Free Market crazies believe companies have only one purpose - make profits for the owners. That is not what old fashion conservative Republicans believed. Texas needs to move the needle on their energy companies - back to that old fashion set of values.

I lean more to the stakeholder value model and not the Friedman shareholder only one.

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Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:31 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Fundamentalist Free Market crazies believe companies have only one purpose - make profits for the owners. That is not what old fashion conservative Republicans believed. Texas needs to move the needle on their energy companies - back to that old fashion set of values.

And 99% of the time the free market is....not a free market, like energy, or healthcare. And that's when you get a $10,000 bill for a week of electricity, or an ingrown toenail
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:02 pm

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Has anyone heard from Cornyn?


Cornyn is just as much of a piece of shit as Cruz is, only Cornyn is smart enough to not shove his face in front of a camera every chance he gets. But they both talk and vote the same way.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:11 pm

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McMansions with paper thin walls and no insulation because they can. Until they can't.

That I know, plywood shacks basically. But even that doesn't fully explain using this much energy - somewhat current heatpumps with a CoP of 5 and above could handle this both for heating and cooling.
So on top of really shoddy building standards they must be using super inefficient heating/AC units.
 
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:33 pm

The NG industry in Texas dropped the ball in not getting all of it's players, that rely on electricity to operate, to get signed up on the TDUs, (like Oncor), on their "Critical Infrastructure" List, so that if and when rolling blackouts or other electrical outages are forced, that these players are not left with out power.

An example of such NG players are: NG power stations, Texas NG compressing stations, and Texas NG refiners. Many well heads are heated by electricity, instead of NG, because, for the environment, electricity heat is cleaner than NG. Which is another way to say, that to save the environment, we almost lost the Power Grid, and if that had happened, the disruption of many things could have caused the death of thousands...
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:58 pm

Haven't read the thread yet but how is the "green new deal" (which is just an idea at the moment, not a law) to blame for a recent power grid failure?
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:18 pm

ArcticSEA wrote:
Haven't read the thread yet but how is the "green new deal" (which is just an idea at the moment, not a law) to blame for a recent power grid failure?
What is it with the political system in this country? The bumper sticker politics are going to wreck this country.


Texas Republicans support fossil fuel industry because the fossil fuel industry supports Texas Republicans. This blame for "green energy" is simply Republican identity politics and creating a boogyman and someone to blame when, clearly, Texas Republicans are to blame.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:21 am

Heads are Rolling . . .

Gov. Greg Abbott taps new head of Texas utility regulator in wake of power outages

Arthur D'Andrea replaces DeAnn Walker, who resigned earlier this week as chair of the Public Utility Commission. The governor appoints commissioners to lead the PUC, which oversees the state’s grid operator, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/01 ... ot-resign/

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/01 ... n-resigns/

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/03 ... ommission/

I'm glad to see the former PUC Chairman gone. She acted like she didn't know what power she had to govern the things under her.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:54 am

This just in....

CEO of Texas power grid operator ERCOT "terminated" in aftermath of winter storm

Bill Magness is the latest official to depart following the winter storm catastrophe.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/02 ... l-magness/


The board overseeing the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the independent nonprofit entity that operates and manages the electricity grid that covers much of Texas, fired ERCOT CEO Bill Magness Wednesday night.

The move by the board to vote in favor of a "60-day termination notice" came after they convened in a private executive session for more than three hours. The board barely discussed its decision once returning to the public session.


ERCOT should have done more to INSURE the Electric Power delivery and NG delivery in Texas.
They're the 'smart ones in the room' that are supposed to know what's coming and how it will effect the power grid system.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:20 am

You can fire as many people as you want, but as long as the underlying operating philosophy is that a power grid is there for profit rather than as a fundamental building block of society as well as its lifeline, nothing is going to change.

But of course, there needs to be scapegoats... Not that I feel bad for him.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:39 am

They deserve it of course, however they did know their power, they did know what was happening, and they did exactly what they were supposed to do, aka do what the politicians put them there to do.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:06 am

This is an excellent article detailing the many Legislative failures to insure power reliability in Texas over the years.

Winter Storm 2021
“Power companies get exactly what they want”: How Texas repeatedly failed to protect its power grid against extreme weather

Texas regulators and lawmakers knew about the grid’s vulnerabilities for years, but time and again they furthered the interests of large electricity providers.

by Jeremy Schwartz, Kiah Collier and Vianna Davila, The Texas Tribune and ProPublica Feb. 22, 20215 PM

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/22 ... e-weather/

Many Legislators knew of problems wand tried to address them will bills over the years, and most of the bills were never passed, and many of their recommendations were never acted on.

Maybe.... there's a political climate now in Texas where some meaningful Legislation can get Passed this session.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:00 pm

CBS-DFW

Failed Communication And 2-Page Form Kept Texans In Cold And Dark Longer During Winter Storms

As millions of Texans lost electricity, the power to hospitals, 911 centers, fire stations, and other critical infrastructure was left on. They were protected from the outages because they were on the “critical” list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP2Jje0abSI
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:51 am

NOVA - PBS Report

Texas' Power Grid Trouble is Far from Over
https://youtu.be/cwQ-Hp89vuI

If the NG systems hadn't failed due to bad power management administration, we would not have approached the Grid Emergency that we did in Feb.

I don't think we'll have the Texas grid so close to total a shutdown again.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:56 pm

Those dang windmills strike again!

"Texans are being asked to reduce their electric use as much as possible for the rest of the week. Electric demand was predicted to outpace supply Monday afternoon as temperatures soar into the triple digits throughout the state, data from the Electric Reliability Council of Texas shows."


Power producer outages, high temps lead ERCOT to ask Texans to conserve electricity
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local ... e6399b4e81

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Maybe.... there's a political climate now in Texas where some meaningful Legislation can get Passed this session.

This aged well. :rotfl:

Bupkis on related legislation but #praiseHim Texans are safe from learning any uncomfortable history involving nonwhites, and on a related note voter suppression was dialed up to 11!
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:49 am

To be fair to ERCOT, Texas had the highest temps, by Heat Index, overnight last night, and today, early this afternoon. And the beginning of Summer is still a week away!!

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DIRECTFLT wrote:
To be fair to ERCOT, Texas had the highest temps, by Heat Index, overnight last night, and today, early this afternoon. And the beginning of Summer is still a week away!!

Image

Image


Oh, but to be not fair to EROT, Texas sees these types of Heat Indexes on a regular basis in June, July and August. Wonder why they are strained so much? Trump couldn't build enough coal and oil plants with Abbott's help from 2016-2020?

https://www.dallasfilmcommission.com/in ... peratures/
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/a ... s/ustx2742
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

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Building a wall should help
 
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

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Building a wall should help


I think we'll just shift the Earth's rotation.
That should do it.
Or fix the climate.
Both are about the same difficulty.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

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casinterest wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
To be fair to ERCOT, Texas had the highest temps, by Heat Index, overnight last night, and today, early this afternoon. And the beginning of Summer is still a week away!!

Image

Image


Oh, but to be not fair to EROT, Texas sees these types of Heat Indexes on a regular basis in June, July and August. Wonder why they are strained so much? Trump couldn't build enough coal and oil plants with Abbott's help from 2016-2020?

https://www.dallasfilmcommission.com/in ... peratures/
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/a ... s/ustx2742

Is it similar to places like Taiwan or Japan where shutdown of power plant of conventional or nuclear source cannot be sufficiently compensated by renewable energy sources which performance are also affected by weather?
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:45 am

In such conditions solar should work well (with the caveat that heat reduces efficiency of PV panels).
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In such conditions solar should work well (with the caveat that heat reduces efficiency of PV panels).


especially at night :) ...

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Aesma wrote:
In such conditions solar should work well (with the caveat that heat reduces efficiency of PV panels).


especially at night :) ...

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There is also this -

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/ ... ower-night
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:58 pm

pune wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
In such conditions solar should work well (with the caveat that heat reduces efficiency of PV panels).


especially at night :) ...

best regards
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There is also this -

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/ ... ower-night


its pretty nifty, but

a) it requires the night time air temperature to be quite a bit lower than the cell temperature, and high night time air temperature is the problem here and
b) long wavelength IR photons don´t carry all the much energy to begin with, so output will be low even in the best of circumstances.

But, with enough PV during the day to produce excess one could cool down a heatsink and dump heat at night into it to run the AC off.

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casinterest wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
To be fair to ERCOT, Texas had the highest temps, by Heat Index, overnight last night, and today, early this afternoon. And the beginning of Summer is still a week away!!

Image

Image


Oh, but to be not fair to EROT, Texas sees these types of Heat Indexes on a regular basis in June, July and August. Wonder why they are strained so much? Trump couldn't build enough coal and oil plants with Abbott's help from 2016-2020?

https://www.dallasfilmcommission.com/in ... peratures/
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/a ... s/ustx2742

Is it similar to places like Taiwan or Japan where shutdown of power plant of conventional or nuclear source cannot be sufficiently compensated by renewable energy sources which performance are also affected by weather?


It is similar. As much as we want to crank on Texas, and it is easy to do so since the governor has started a war on alternative energy, the issue occurs across the US in the summer. When the heat and humidity take hold, just about everyone's Air Conditioner is cranking from 2-6 P.M just to try to keep up. The nations infrastructure doesn't have much capacity for peak demand through constant work hours.

Better infrastructure with Solar, Wind power, and battery storage on site would help alleviate this issue. Also encouraging afternoons off from work might help as well since employees and familys can go to pools, lakes ,rivers, and other cooling activities while letting the thermostat rise a bit.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:20 pm

Afternoon off work ah ah good one ! Are you European by any chance ? :d

My solution : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQRXSvgm5o
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:22 pm

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c933103 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

Oh, but to be not fair to EROT, Texas sees these types of Heat Indexes on a regular basis in June, July and August. Wonder why they are strained so much? Trump couldn't build enough coal and oil plants with Abbott's help from 2016-2020?

https://www.dallasfilmcommission.com/in ... peratures/
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/a ... s/ustx2742

Is it similar to places like Taiwan or Japan where shutdown of power plant of conventional or nuclear source cannot be sufficiently compensated by renewable energy sources which performance are also affected by weather?


It is similar. As much as we want to crank on Texas, and it is easy to do so since the governor has started a war on alternative energy, the issue occurs across the US in the summer. When the heat and humidity take hold, just about everyone's Air Conditioner is cranking from 2-6 P.M just to try to keep up. The nations infrastructure doesn't have much capacity for peak demand through constant work hours.

Better infrastructure with Solar, Wind power, and battery storage on site would help alleviate this issue. Also encouraging afternoons off from work might help as well since employees and familys can go to pools, lakes ,rivers, and other cooling activities while letting the thermostat rise a bit.


Better building codes might help too...
 
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AirbusCheerlead wrote:
casinterest wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Is it similar to places like Taiwan or Japan where shutdown of power plant of conventional or nuclear source cannot be sufficiently compensated by renewable energy sources which performance are also affected by weather?


It is similar. As much as we want to crank on Texas, and it is easy to do so since the governor has started a war on alternative energy, the issue occurs across the US in the summer. When the heat and humidity take hold, just about everyone's Air Conditioner is cranking from 2-6 P.M just to try to keep up. The nations infrastructure doesn't have much capacity for peak demand through constant work hours.

Better infrastructure with Solar, Wind power, and battery storage on site would help alleviate this issue. Also encouraging afternoons off from work might help as well since employees and familys can go to pools, lakes ,rivers, and other cooling activities while letting the thermostat rise a bit.


Better building codes might help too...


Well newer homes have that, but many of the older ones do not. Insulation and leaks do contribute quite a bit to energy costs.
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Building a wall should help

Actually, you might be on to something here! The shadow the wall provides might help. The wall might need to he heightened a tad. :D
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cskok8 wrote:
Building a wall should help

Actually, you might be on to something here! The shadow the wall provides might help. The wall might need to he heightened a tad. :D

Banning talking about the non-white bits of Alamo history should really cool things down too :rotfl:
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Quite the grid they’ve got. Shuts down when it gets too cold, shuts down when it gets too hot.
 
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I guess those Texan politicians that love to mock California don't really have a leg to stand upon.
 
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Quite the grid they’ve got. Shuts down when it gets too cold, shuts down when it gets too hot.


ERCOT in Winter: We should down, its too cold, the grid is build to handle out Summer.
ERCOT in Summer: Please use less power, our grid can not handle summer.

Can´t make it up...

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FGITD wrote:
Quite the grid they’ve got. Shuts down when it gets too cold, shuts down when it gets too hot.


ERCOT in Winter: We should down, its too cold, the grid is build to handle out Summer.
ERCOT in Summer: Please use less power, our grid can not handle summer.

Can´t make it up...

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Meanwhile Abbott wants to get people to donate to build a wall .
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:59 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Quite the grid they’ve got. Shuts down when it gets too cold, shuts down when it gets too hot.


ERCOT in Winter: We should down, its too cold, the grid is build to handle out Summer.
ERCOT in Summer: Please use less power, our grid can not handle summer.

Can´t make it up...

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I just wonder how often the power grid fails in places like BOI or FAI or CLE where temperatures and weather are extreme?

Or could it be that private companies are not looking out for the best interests of the consumer but, rather, the bottom line of the board and shareholders?
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:40 pm

Something a civil engineer might be able to enlighten us. Starting about 150 years ago we started building great and expensive bridges. An amazingly large number of them are still functioning (old Roman Empire bridges are too). Late in the 1900s engineers figured out that a lot of those bridges were over built, with way more steel or concrete than maybe was needed. So they built them lighter, cheaper, less steel - and a disturbingly large number of them have failed, some catastrophically.

Ma Bell built phones and systems that were astoundingly robust - I may have heard 9 nines of failure avoidance. Cell phones, and even my fiber optics 'land line' is at best 3 nines. And so with the electric grid, we have made the old grids, most built in the middle 1900s(?) more and more capable of serving more and more people who are ever more dependent upon that electricity. So we are in a situation where a lot of the production of electricity is at risk and less robust, a grid which is stretched almost beyond its capacity, and local lines at risk from floods, fire, and disturbingly sabotage.

In a sense we have not paid for what we are getting, far too dependent upon those taxpayer in the 40s and 50s who paid the higher taxes to get it all done. Our infrastructure needs updating, resilience, and it needs consumers willing to pay to rebuild it. It is all very fun and nice to buy a vehicle which is more expensive and fancy that our grandparents (mine were born in the 1880s) would not even consider. And then we are not spending enough on our roads, which without makes that great truck I am planning on buying a little silly. I suppose we could put a 50% sales tax on cars and spend it all on roads and charging stations. LOL

Perhaps there could be a thread on this, it isn't exactly aviation - but aviation ain't, sans infrastructure.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:24 pm

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I suppose we could put a 50% sales tax on cars and spend it all on roads and charging stations. LOL

I am pretty sure that will enrage the knee-jerk “Murica aint socialist” crowd.

The problem with the power grid is that it is invisible. No one pays attention to it, till things go wrong.

This makes it less interesting for politicians. They want to be seen doing things for their constituents. Upgrading the grid can not be seen. A politician can cut a ribbon to open a road, or put his name on a new school building or hospital wing. That does not really apply to the power grid.

For the same reason it is all to tempting to cut the maintenance budget for infrastructure. It enables lowering taxes which is always a vote winner. Typically people won’t see the effects of deferred maintenance for years or even decades, by which time the politician might no longer hold office, or hold a higher office.
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Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:28 pm

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Afternoon off work ah ah good one ! Are you European by any chance ? :d

My solution : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQRXSvgm5o


Liked the bit at the end.
 
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Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:31 am

petertenthije wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
I suppose we could put a 50% sales tax on cars and spend it all on roads and charging stations. LOL

I am pretty sure that will enrage the knee-jerk “Murica aint socialist” crowd.

No, it's not just the right. I don't know anyone who would accept a 50% sales tax on cars. Especially since the small print in the legislation would just put it into the general fund.
 
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:39 am

NASA is landing electric helicopters on the Martian surface on the daily. Texans can't run AC when the it's over 90 degrees. Let that sink in. Maybe engineers need to run the government and utilities for awhile.
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:00 pm

johns624 wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
I suppose we could put a 50% sales tax on cars and spend it all on roads and charging stations. LOL

I am pretty sure that will enrage the knee-jerk “Murica aint socialist” crowd.

No, it's not just the right. I don't know anyone who would accept a 50% sales tax on cars. Especially since the small print in the legislation would just put it into the general fund.


Cars are a luxury. Cars are optional. No where in any law it is required that everyone own a car. And what is wrong with putting money toward the debt and We The People? Because that is a "socialist" thing to help everyone in the country? We are a Christian nation, right? So, what is wrong with acting like it?
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:41 pm

Please keep this thread on topic or it will be locked, thanks.
 
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Re: Texas governor blames Green new deal for power outage

Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:46 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
NASA is landing electric helicopters on the Martian surface on the daily. Texans can't run AC when the it's over 90 degrees. Let that sink in. Maybe engineers need to run the government and utilities for awhile.


And people were in the breadline while the USA sent people to walk on the moon (and of course many people still are- many more).

It’s about priorities: politicians can blame others when the lights go out/AC goes off and many will believe it’s someone else’s fault. It’s not: it’s the politicians right now. Even if they can’t immediately solve the problems they can make a start. But that may involve being unpopular to the majority that elected them so it won’t happen.

There are a lot of intelligent people on this board - with very differing views of course - but the vast majority know that engineers and scientists will solve the problems with the right funding and the right political will. But that won’t win votes so the situation continues.

The often overlooked part in all matters related to energy/climate change is overpopulation. We only have overpopulation because the demand exceeds supply: we can either manage overpopulation or deal with the infrastructure requirements. Neither happens because nearly everything is about how money can be made now. It requires a cultural shift in dealing with the issues. That will not happen… even when people really are dying in their droves… it will still be about the money in the short term.

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