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Zeppi wrote:Totally insane prices per kWh aside, what the f***k are you guys doing in the US to consume around 1000kWh per month ON AVERAGE?!? Running electric aluminium furnaces in your backyards or something?
Of course your almost prehistoric power grid brakes down if there's a little dip in supply or a spike in demand...
Because the transmission owners had to cut-off power for more customers at once than they ever had to before, some power plant operators and gas companies lost power themselves.
Morgan said the problem was after a 2011 storm wreaked havoc to a less extent, the industry and state agencies never updated their critical infrastructure lists. “You’re turning off my power plant, calling up the TDU’s and saying why are you turning off our power plant. You weren’t on our critical infrastructure or you’re at the bottom of our list.”
He and other CEOs said natural gas companies experienced problems beginning at the wellheads which froze, and transporting the gas to power plants.
Earlier in the week, the President of the Texas Oil and Gas Association, Todd Staples, told CBS 11 that many producers in the field lost production because of power outages and hazardous travel conditions made it impossible to move equipment and crews.
DIRECTFLT wrote:Power Plant Operators Admit Entire Energy Sector Failed TexasBecause the transmission owners had to cut-off power for more customers at once than they ever had to before, some power plant operators and gas companies lost power themselves.
Morgan said the problem was after a 2011 storm wreaked havoc to a less extent, the industry and state agencies never updated their critical infrastructure lists. “You’re turning off my power plant, calling up the TDU’s and saying why are you turning off our power plant. You weren’t on our critical infrastructure or you’re at the bottom of our list.”
He and other CEOs said natural gas companies experienced problems beginning at the wellheads which froze, and transporting the gas to power plants.
Earlier in the week, the President of the Texas Oil and Gas Association, Todd Staples, told CBS 11 that many producers in the field lost production because of power outages and hazardous travel conditions made it impossible to move equipment and crews.
What a FUBAR!!!
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/02/25/erc ... tor-texas/
It is incredible what kind of stuff gets overlooked in deregulated uncompetitive markets.
Hearings in Austin continue today:
https://capitol.texas.gov/Home.aspx
frmrCapCadet wrote:Fundamentalist Free Market crazies believe companies have only one purpose - make profits for the owners. That is not what old fashion conservative Republicans believed. Texas needs to move the needle on their energy companies - back to that old fashion set of values.
frmrCapCadet wrote:Fundamentalist Free Market crazies believe companies have only one purpose - make profits for the owners. That is not what old fashion conservative Republicans believed. Texas needs to move the needle on their energy companies - back to that old fashion set of values.
MaverickM11 wrote:Has anyone heard from Cornyn?
Aesma wrote:McMansions with paper thin walls and no insulation because they can. Until they can't.
ArcticSEA wrote:Haven't read the thread yet but how is the "green new deal" (which is just an idea at the moment, not a law) to blame for a recent power grid failure?
What is it with the political system in this country? The bumper sticker politics are going to wreck this country.
DIRECTFLT wrote:Maybe.... there's a political climate now in Texas where some meaningful Legislation can get Passed this session.
DIRECTFLT wrote:To be fair to ERCOT, Texas had the highest temps, by Heat Index, overnight last night, and today, early this afternoon. And the beginning of Summer is still a week away!!
cskok8 wrote:Building a wall should help
casinterest wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:To be fair to ERCOT, Texas had the highest temps, by Heat Index, overnight last night, and today, early this afternoon. And the beginning of Summer is still a week away!!
Oh, but to be not fair to EROT, Texas sees these types of Heat Indexes on a regular basis in June, July and August. Wonder why they are strained so much? Trump couldn't build enough coal and oil plants with Abbott's help from 2016-2020?
https://www.dallasfilmcommission.com/in ... peratures/
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/a ... s/ustx2742
Aesma wrote:In such conditions solar should work well (with the caveat that heat reduces efficiency of PV panels).
tommy1808 wrote:Aesma wrote:In such conditions solar should work well (with the caveat that heat reduces efficiency of PV panels).
especially at night ...
best regards
Thomas
pune wrote:tommy1808 wrote:Aesma wrote:In such conditions solar should work well (with the caveat that heat reduces efficiency of PV panels).
especially at night ...
best regards
Thomas
There is also this -
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/ ... ower-night
c933103 wrote:casinterest wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:To be fair to ERCOT, Texas had the highest temps, by Heat Index, overnight last night, and today, early this afternoon. And the beginning of Summer is still a week away!!
Oh, but to be not fair to EROT, Texas sees these types of Heat Indexes on a regular basis in June, July and August. Wonder why they are strained so much? Trump couldn't build enough coal and oil plants with Abbott's help from 2016-2020?
https://www.dallasfilmcommission.com/in ... peratures/
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/a ... s/ustx2742
Is it similar to places like Taiwan or Japan where shutdown of power plant of conventional or nuclear source cannot be sufficiently compensated by renewable energy sources which performance are also affected by weather?
casinterest wrote:c933103 wrote:casinterest wrote:
Oh, but to be not fair to EROT, Texas sees these types of Heat Indexes on a regular basis in June, July and August. Wonder why they are strained so much? Trump couldn't build enough coal and oil plants with Abbott's help from 2016-2020?
https://www.dallasfilmcommission.com/in ... peratures/
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/a ... s/ustx2742
Is it similar to places like Taiwan or Japan where shutdown of power plant of conventional or nuclear source cannot be sufficiently compensated by renewable energy sources which performance are also affected by weather?
It is similar. As much as we want to crank on Texas, and it is easy to do so since the governor has started a war on alternative energy, the issue occurs across the US in the summer. When the heat and humidity take hold, just about everyone's Air Conditioner is cranking from 2-6 P.M just to try to keep up. The nations infrastructure doesn't have much capacity for peak demand through constant work hours.
Better infrastructure with Solar, Wind power, and battery storage on site would help alleviate this issue. Also encouraging afternoons off from work might help as well since employees and familys can go to pools, lakes ,rivers, and other cooling activities while letting the thermostat rise a bit.
AirbusCheerlead wrote:casinterest wrote:c933103 wrote:Is it similar to places like Taiwan or Japan where shutdown of power plant of conventional or nuclear source cannot be sufficiently compensated by renewable energy sources which performance are also affected by weather?
It is similar. As much as we want to crank on Texas, and it is easy to do so since the governor has started a war on alternative energy, the issue occurs across the US in the summer. When the heat and humidity take hold, just about everyone's Air Conditioner is cranking from 2-6 P.M just to try to keep up. The nations infrastructure doesn't have much capacity for peak demand through constant work hours.
Better infrastructure with Solar, Wind power, and battery storage on site would help alleviate this issue. Also encouraging afternoons off from work might help as well since employees and familys can go to pools, lakes ,rivers, and other cooling activities while letting the thermostat rise a bit.
Better building codes might help too...
cskok8 wrote:Building a wall should help
petertenthije wrote:cskok8 wrote:Building a wall should help
Actually, you might be on to something here! The shadow the wall provides might help. The wall might need to he heightened a tad.
FGITD wrote:Quite the grid they’ve got. Shuts down when it gets too cold, shuts down when it gets too hot.
tommy1808 wrote:FGITD wrote:Quite the grid they’ve got. Shuts down when it gets too cold, shuts down when it gets too hot.
ERCOT in Winter: We should down, its too cold, the grid is build to handle out Summer.
ERCOT in Summer: Please use less power, our grid can not handle summer.
Can´t make it up...
best regards
Thomas
tommy1808 wrote:FGITD wrote:Quite the grid they’ve got. Shuts down when it gets too cold, shuts down when it gets too hot.
ERCOT in Winter: We should down, its too cold, the grid is build to handle out Summer.
ERCOT in Summer: Please use less power, our grid can not handle summer.
Can´t make it up...
best regards
Thomas
frmrCapCadet wrote:I suppose we could put a 50% sales tax on cars and spend it all on roads and charging stations. LOL
Aesma wrote:Afternoon off work ah ah good one ! Are you European by any chance ? :d
My solution : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQRXSvgm5o
petertenthije wrote:No, it's not just the right. I don't know anyone who would accept a 50% sales tax on cars. Especially since the small print in the legislation would just put it into the general fund.frmrCapCadet wrote:I suppose we could put a 50% sales tax on cars and spend it all on roads and charging stations. LOL
I am pretty sure that will enrage the knee-jerk “Murica aint socialist” crowd.
johns624 wrote:petertenthije wrote:No, it's not just the right. I don't know anyone who would accept a 50% sales tax on cars. Especially since the small print in the legislation would just put it into the general fund.frmrCapCadet wrote:I suppose we could put a 50% sales tax on cars and spend it all on roads and charging stations. LOL
I am pretty sure that will enrage the knee-jerk “Murica aint socialist” crowd.
Aaron747 wrote:NASA is landing electric helicopters on the Martian surface on the daily. Texans can't run AC when the it's over 90 degrees. Let that sink in. Maybe engineers need to run the government and utilities for awhile.