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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:43 pm

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Aesma wrote:
So what did Florida and Texas do that NY didn't do to manage COVID better ? NY was hit very hard, it has nothing to do with the political response. In Florida and Texas they did as little as they could get away with.

TX/FL didn't do anything to manage COVID better--they just had months of additional time after NY's massive death spike for people to learn--or not--and to get the message out, and much lower population density. But then Kristi Noem in SD proved that you can still kill a #$&@ ton of people at NY rates if you're incompetent enough, even with a population density that is heavy on tumbleweeds.


This is the point that irks me, how so many miss it. In my state we were talking covid in late January. I have friends in other states who really didn’t think much of it until early spring.

Having someone go ahead of you was enormously helpful to the other states, or at least should have been. Maybe in the end we’ll find that the lockdowns weren’t enormously helpful, but there weren’t many options for the first states to get it. The spread was genuinely out of control, and PPE production wasn’t there yet. My state in particular hit the news because the owner of the football team had to fly his own aircraft to China to get equipment, and it was then distributed across state lines under police escort because the Feds kept requisitioning all our orders.

At one point in late March we had one of the highest growth rates in the country, while Florida had one of the lowest. Their PPE orders were 100% fulfilled. Ours weren’t even at 20% and no prize for guessing what state our orders went to...same state that now has the nerve to go “HA! look at how much better we did than you!”

More relevant to the covid 20 year thread, but I’ll tell ya...biggest impact of covid on me is that I feel stronger allegiance to my state and region than to the country. We didn’t vote Trump and clearly weren’t going to, and as a result our own president didn’t care if we lived or died, then had the nerve to blame it on us.
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:48 pm

Cuomo now has other issues besides the nursing home. A former female aide has come forward with a me too allegation against Cuomo alleging Harrassment. If this pans out, this may be just the excuse the Dems need to rid themselves of Cuomo.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-ex-aide-accuses-scandal-plagued-ny-governor-of-pervasive-sexual-harassment-in-bombshell-essay
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:17 pm

I bet Donald Trump is laughing his butt off at the fall of Gov. Cuomo. I bet Trump will make a big deal of Cuomo problems and put pressure on Republicans in NY to push him out of office as well as get the NYAG and other civil and criminal cases dropped. It is sad how Cuomo has fallen, but in large part it is his fault.
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:51 pm

Andrew is sorry.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politi ... story.html

Going to be interesting to see how this ends. The calls for him to resign are going to be incredible. He doesn't have that in him.

All I can say is wow.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:44 am

I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:56 am

ltbewr wrote:
I bet Donald Trump is laughing his butt off at the fall of Gov. Cuomo. I bet Trump will make a big deal of Cuomo problems and put pressure on Republicans in NY to push him out of office as well as get the NYAG and other civil and criminal cases dropped. It is sad how Cuomo has fallen, but in large part it is his fault.


That’s rich of Don since he and Cuomo have the same abuser disposition.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:57 am

Aaron747 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I bet Donald Trump is laughing his butt off at the fall of Gov. Cuomo. I bet Trump will make a big deal of Cuomo problems and put pressure on Republicans in NY to push him out of office as well as get the NYAG and other civil and criminal cases dropped. It is sad how Cuomo has fallen, but in large part it is his fault.


That’s rich of Don since he and Cuomo have the same abuser disposition.


That's why American politics is so much fun. There is garbage on both sides. The insults are exciting, because they're true.
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:07 am

LCDFlight wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I bet Donald Trump is laughing his butt off at the fall of Gov. Cuomo. I bet Trump will make a big deal of Cuomo problems and put pressure on Republicans in NY to push him out of office as well as get the NYAG and other civil and criminal cases dropped. It is sad how Cuomo has fallen, but in large part it is his fault.


That’s rich of Don since he and Cuomo have the same abuser disposition.


That's why American politics is so much fun. There is garbage on both sides. The insults are exciting, because they're true.


Would be nice if the side ignoring garbage of late would take some of it out.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:13 am

LCDFlight wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I bet Donald Trump is laughing his butt off at the fall of Gov. Cuomo. I bet Trump will make a big deal of Cuomo problems and put pressure on Republicans in NY to push him out of office as well as get the NYAG and other civil and criminal cases dropped. It is sad how Cuomo has fallen, but in large part it is his fault.


That’s rich of Don since he and Cuomo have the same abuser disposition.


That's why American politics is so much fun. There is garbage on both sides. The insults are exciting, because they're true.

Yah but one side views garbage as aspirational goals. Made a whole circus of it in Orlando at QPAC this week.

Aaron747 wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

That’s rich of Don since he and Cuomo have the same abuser disposition.


That's why American politics is so much fun. There is garbage on both sides. The insults are exciting, because they're true.


Would be nice if the side ignoring garbage of late would take some of it out.

They're busy worshipping it, both the real life version and the golden simulacrum. I wish I was joking.

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I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.

Did he seriously throw the guy that rescued him from the car crash...uhh under the bus?
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:14 am

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That's why American politics is so much fun. There is garbage on both sides. The insults are exciting, because they're true.


Seen any golden effigies of Cuomo lately?
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:55 am

Now a third woman has come forward.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/third-woman-governor-cuomo-harassment_n_603d92dcc5b601179ebff5f5

I know New York is a blue state and Cuomo has control of the party in that state which operates like a machine style. But I don't see how he survives this. It seems to me the Democratic party in NY has a few different factions and they are constantly at odds. There is the Progressive-Working Families faction, which is the AOC wing of the party and includes mostly progressives from NYC including Bill DeBlasio. There is the Corporate Democrat faction which is the Cuomo, Chuck Schumer, Kirsten Gilibrand wing of the Party. Then you have the upstate NY democrats, which are the democrats that join with the republicans in the Senate to give the NY GOP control over the senate despite a democratic majority. If Cuomo goes, there is going to be a mad scramble and it will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. What is also amusing is that Cuomo would be the second elected governor in a row to fall to a scandal. Eliot Spitzer was mired in scandal after winning the Governors race in 2006 (The Establishment was much more eager to get rid of Spitzer considering the way he went after Wall Street as Attorney General). Also what does the NY Democratic party as a whole do? NY has some of the most restrictive voting policies in place, and everything is largely setup to keep outsiders from gaining power.
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:59 am

I did a little more research. The Current LT Governor of NY is a dem named Kathy Hochul, who is from Buffalo. She has been around Democratic politics for a while, and served in Congress for a time until she was redistricted out of office. She has been a key figure in the Me Too movement from what I can read.
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 am

Yikes when you lose Kathleen Rice you are in trouble.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:32 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Yikes when you lose Kathleen Rice you are in trouble.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp


He's in trouble no matter who is calling for his exit.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Yikes when you lose Kathleen Rice you are in trouble.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp


He's in trouble no matter who is calling for his exit.

Did he try any of the republican, family valuez, christian excuses? Like grab 'em by the pussy? Or they let you do it? Or she's too ugly to assault?
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:58 pm

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Did he seriously throw the guy that rescued him from the car crash...uhh under the bus?
Yes, he did.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:30 pm

johns624 wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:

Did he seriously throw the guy that rescued him from the car crash...uhh under the bus?
Yes, he did.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1e7DqJ

Nice. He's really "leading people to Christ". :rotfl:
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:05 pm

It just keeps going down the Road to Perdition for Gov. Cuomo. One has to consider when, not if, he resigns. There is a Lt. Governor able to immediately take his place, a Woman from the Buffalo area, the opposite end of the state from where Cuomo is from (Queens-NYC). She could help keep the the Governorship in Democrats hands, one that is an upstate moderate, give an opportunity for the state to have its first Woman governor.

I suspect the sexual/physical touching and otherwise improper behavior allegations came out as a way to get him to face serious penalties for the 1000's of excess deaths by Covid-19 in the transfer of patients to nursing homes and the disclosure by the NY Attorney General (who is also going after Trump) of an attempted cover up of actual nursing home based Covid-19 infections, their transfer back to hospitals where they died of Covid-19 and recorded as deaths at hospitals. He also signed emergency orders to severely limit liability of and lawsuits against nursing homes and hospitals for victims for Covid-19 infections at them causing illness and death that likely angers many victims and families who want what they belief is their right for money compensation for their injury and loss. Gov. Cuomo has also squashed in 2019 an investigation of him and his administration over other corruption allegations.

A 'blue-collar Republican' brother of mine in a call with him on Sunday made an interesting point, that Cuomo has been in office, now his 3rd term (10 years), too long, got too powerful, too arrogant and corrupt, leading to his fall. Perhaps one fallout from Gov. Cuomo will be to limit NYS governors to 2 terms in office.
 
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:24 pm

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Did he try any of the republican, family valuez, christian excuses? Like grab 'em by the pussy? Or they let you do it? Or she's too ugly to assault?


Yes because he actually did it, Trump just said it hypothetically.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:30 pm

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I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.



Reminds me of the great Epstein/Trump/Clinton conundrum.

The common retort from the Trump side was “yea, well Clinton was there too!” As if it would exonerate Trump.

when the left response was that if Clinton was proven guilty, then he too should face the consequences...there was some surprise, and the best action taken was to simply deny that Trump ever met Epstein.

The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

But if you’re on the right, that’s just owning the libs and you get admired for it.
 
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:31 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
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Did he try any of the republican, family valuez, christian excuses? Like grab 'em by the pussy? Or they let you do it? Or she's too ugly to assault?


Yes because he actually did it, Trump just said it hypothetically.

"Hypothetically" is not how you end up with nearly 30 accusers going back decades

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The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

Hell, republicans make fun of Abbott for his wheelchair. Republican rep Gosar spoke at a white supremacist conference occurring down the street from CPAC where they made fun of Cawthorn's wheelchair. It's off the charts.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:21 pm

FGITD wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.



Reminds me of the great Epstein/Trump/Clinton conundrum.

The common retort from the Trump side was “yea, well Clinton was there too!” As if it would exonerate Trump.

when the left response was that if Clinton was proven guilty, then he too should face the consequences...there was some surprise, and the best action taken was to simply deny that Trump ever met Epstein.

The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

But if you’re on the right, that’s just owning the libs and you get admired for it.


There is no one party that needs the backlash, more than the Democrats.

They have for decades won by getting the women voting for them, since they are the party of Women. It appears they aren't.

Look what they did to Clarence Thomas, accusing him of sexual harassment, Brett Kavanaugh "believe all women". They are the ones who have created this standard, not Trump, not the GOP.

The biggest sexual scandals for decades have been by Democrat politicians or sympathizers. Yet they still present themselves as the party of women.

In any case, this Cuomo situation I think is a smoke screen for the most serious issue which is the nursing home scandal, which the entire Government of NY has their hands in. Cuomo here might be culpable for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, but others are there too. His inner circle might be feeding him to the wolves here with the sexual harassment allegations, so that the nursing scandal fades.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:41 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.



Reminds me of the great Epstein/Trump/Clinton conundrum.

The common retort from the Trump side was “yea, well Clinton was there too!” As if it would exonerate Trump.

when the left response was that if Clinton was proven guilty, then he too should face the consequences...there was some surprise, and the best action taken was to simply deny that Trump ever met Epstein.

The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

But if you’re on the right, that’s just owning the libs and you get admired for it.


There is no one party that needs the backlash, more than the Democrats.

They have for decades won by getting the women voting for them, since they are the party of Women. It appears they aren't.

Look what they did to Clarence Thomas, accusing him of sexual harassment, Brett Kavanaugh "believe all women". They are the ones who have created this standard, not Trump, not the GOP.

The biggest sexual scandals for decades have been by Democrat politicians or sympathizers. Yet they still present themselves as the party of women.

In any case, this Cuomo situation I think is a smoke screen for the most serious issue which is the nursing home scandal, which the entire Government of NY has their hands in. Cuomo here might be culpable for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, but others are there too. His inner circle might be feeding him to the wolves here with the sexual harassment allegations, so that the nursing scandal fades.


The tin foil hat brigade lying again?

The Democrats at least hold their members accountable. The GOP is all about , it;s ok when we do it.

Pathetic.

And at the end of the day, the :"Nursing Home Scandal" Is not a scandal except for those that wouldn't care if a GOP representative asked people to try untested treatments for Covid.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:49 pm

What happened to the "it's okay to grab women by their privates because of your celebrity status" defense the MAGAs loved? Oh, that's right.... can't use it when it is a Democrat.....
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:49 pm

FGITD wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.



Reminds me of the great Epstein/Trump/Clinton conundrum.

The common retort from the Trump side was “yea, well Clinton was there too!” As if it would exonerate Trump.

when the left response was that if Clinton was proven guilty, then he too should face the consequences...there was some surprise, and the best action taken was to simply deny that Trump ever met Epstein.

The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

But if you’re on the right, that’s just owning the libs and you get admired for it.


Lol, you really are living in an alternate reality if you believe that crap. Explain to me why has Bill Clinton not been shunned from polite society, especially given all we know about him and Epstein? Same goes with Hillary. She was involved in that crap too and there is a ton of evidence of wrongdoing. And yet, your side continues to trot them out.

And what about Tara Reade? She had a ton of corroborative evidence against biden. Yet did you listen to her? Did you ask creepy joe to drop out?

And then Cuomo. This crap has been known for years. Yet it was covered up until he was no longer useful to the democrat party.
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:58 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.



Reminds me of the great Epstein/Trump/Clinton conundrum.

The common retort from the Trump side was “yea, well Clinton was there too!” As if it would exonerate Trump.

when the left response was that if Clinton was proven guilty, then he too should face the consequences...there was some surprise, and the best action taken was to simply deny that Trump ever met Epstein.

The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

But if you’re on the right, that’s just owning the libs and you get admired for it.


There is no one party that needs the backlash, more than the Democrats.

They have for decades won by getting the women voting for them, since they are the party of Women. It appears they aren't.

Look what they did to Clarence Thomas, accusing him of sexual harassment, Brett Kavanaugh "believe all women". They are the ones who have created this standard, not Trump, not the GOP.

The biggest sexual scandals for decades have been by Democrat politicians or sympathizers. Yet they still present themselves as the party of women.

In any case, this Cuomo situation I think is a smoke screen for the most serious issue which is the nursing home scandal, which the entire Government of NY has their hands in. Cuomo here might be culpable for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, but others are there too. His inner circle might be feeding him to the wolves here with the sexual harassment allegations, so that the nursing scandal fades.


Please list up the ‘biggest scandals for decades’ between the two sides so we can all compare. Would love to see your data. Also phrasing like ‘the women’ and unneeded capitalization of ‘women’ makes you come off a little mysoginist to my trained eye.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:59 pm

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Lol, you really are living in an alternate reality if you believe that crap. Explain to me why has Bill Clinton not been shunned from polite society, especially given all we know about him and Epstein? Same goes with Hillary. She was involved in that crap too and there is a ton of evidence of wrongdoing. And yet, your side continues to trot them out.

And what about Tara Reade? She had a ton of corroborative evidence against biden. Yet did you listen to her? Did you ask creepy joe to drop out?

And then Cuomo. This crap has been known for years. Yet it was covered up until he was no longer useful to the democrat party.


To the best of my knowledge, Bill Clinton hasn't made any public appearances (speeches, interviews, etc) since Hillary's campaign concluded. I haven't seen one Democrat make a golden effigy of Clinton and call for the party to get behind whatever Clinton believes. Have a gander at the GOP party platform from last year's convention...all it says is that we will support whatever Trump supports. The Republican party if full of garbage people with garbage ideas and garbage policy (although these days they have seem to given up on having any kind of policy other than shitting on anything the Dems put forth).

I'm sorry you have decided to recently infest this forum with ignorant trash. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to do anything about it.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:04 pm

mjba257 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I find it amusing how the two parties handle scandals and bad news. I haven't heard much or any support for Cuomo from the Democrats but every time Trump screwed up, the GOP was making all kinds of excuses for him
On a somewhat related note, it seems like Madison Cawthorn is well on his way to being named the scummiest Republican. That's saying a lot, when you have competition like Hawley, Cruz and Taylor-Greene. It's sounding like everything he's ever said is a lie--Annapolis, the details of the car crash, the Paralympics, how he treats women, etc.



Reminds me of the great Epstein/Trump/Clinton conundrum.

The common retort from the Trump side was “yea, well Clinton was there too!” As if it would exonerate Trump.

when the left response was that if Clinton was proven guilty, then he too should face the consequences...there was some surprise, and the best action taken was to simply deny that Trump ever met Epstein.

The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

But if you’re on the right, that’s just owning the libs and you get admired for it.


Lol, you really are living in an alternate reality if you believe that crap. Explain to me why has Bill Clinton not been shunned from polite society, especially given all we know about him and Epstein? Same goes with Hillary. She was involved in that crap too and there is a ton of evidence of wrongdoing. And yet, your side continues to trot them out.

And what about Tara Reade? She had a ton of corroborative evidence against biden. Yet did you listen to her? Did you ask creepy joe to drop out?

And then Cuomo. This crap has been known for years. Yet it was covered up until he was no longer useful to the democrat party.


WJC is still afforded access and invitation as an ex-Prez but that’s obviously wrong given what’s known. I regard that the same way as what’s known about DJT and his visa trophy palling around all drugged up with Maxwell/Epstein. Neither deserve reprieve.

As for Tara Reade, that ship sailed when the pattern of deceit throughout her life became clear - unlike Dr. Ford and Anita Hill, both of whom have stellar professional and personal reputations. Reade was criticized for that on all sides if you were paying any attention:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 ... ces-260771

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ ... ility/amp/
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:15 pm

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Reminds me of the great Epstein/Trump/Clinton conundrum.

The common retort from the Trump side was “yea, well Clinton was there too!” As if it would exonerate Trump.

when the left response was that if Clinton was proven guilty, then he too should face the consequences...there was some surprise, and the best action taken was to simply deny that Trump ever met Epstein.

The degrees of accountability are where the claim that both parties are the same dies. Imagine a Democratic candidate mocking a disabled reporter, attacking the parents of a dead soldier, and bragging about sexual assault. It wouldn’t even be career suicide, it would suicide to your entire life including outside of politics.

But if you’re on the right, that’s just owning the libs and you get admired for it.


Lol, you really are living in an alternate reality if you believe that crap. Explain to me why has Bill Clinton not been shunned from polite society, especially given all we know about him and Epstein? Same goes with Hillary. She was involved in that crap too and there is a ton of evidence of wrongdoing. And yet, your side continues to trot them out.

And what about Tara Reade? She had a ton of corroborative evidence against biden. Yet did you listen to her? Did you ask creepy joe to drop out?

And then Cuomo. This crap has been known for years. Yet it was covered up until he was no longer useful to the democrat party.


WJC is still afforded access and invitation as an ex-Prez but that’s obviously wrong given what’s known. I regard that the same way as what’s known about DJT and his visa trophy palling around all drugged up with Maxwell/Epstein. Neither deserve reprieve.

As for Tara Reade, that ship sailed when the pattern of deceit throughout her life became clear - unlike Dr. Ford and Anita Hill, both of whom have stellar professional and personal reputations. Reade was criticized for that on all sides if you were paying any attention:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 ... ces-260771

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ ... ility/amp/


Tara Read had corroborating evidence, including a phone call her mother made to Larry King dates back to 1993, the year said event occurred. In addition, her ex-husband said in a court filing that she had told him about an incident in 1993. And a friend, who was a biden supporter btw, said Read had told her about the event back when it happened. Meanwhile, Blasey Ford could not produce one eye witness who corroborated her story
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:17 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
mjba257 wrote:

Lol, you really are living in an alternate reality if you believe that crap. Explain to me why has Bill Clinton not been shunned from polite society, especially given all we know about him and Epstein? Same goes with Hillary. She was involved in that crap too and there is a ton of evidence of wrongdoing. And yet, your side continues to trot them out.

And what about Tara Reade? She had a ton of corroborative evidence against biden. Yet did you listen to her? Did you ask creepy joe to drop out?

And then Cuomo. This crap has been known for years. Yet it was covered up until he was no longer useful to the democrat party.


WJC is still afforded access and invitation as an ex-Prez but that’s obviously wrong given what’s known. I regard that the same way as what’s known about DJT and his visa trophy palling around all drugged up with Maxwell/Epstein. Neither deserve reprieve.

As for Tara Reade, that ship sailed when the pattern of deceit throughout her life became clear - unlike Dr. Ford and Anita Hill, both of whom have stellar professional and personal reputations. Reade was criticized for that on all sides if you were paying any attention:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 ... ces-260771

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ ... ility/amp/


Tara Read had corroborating evidence, including a phone call her mother made to Larry King dates back to 1993, the year said event occurred. In addition, her ex-husband said in a court filing that she had told him about an incident in 1993. And a friend, who was a biden supporter btw, said Read had told her about the event back when it happened. Meanwhile, Blasey Ford could not produce one eye witness who corroborated her story


You’re repeating talking points from May 2020 and obviously never looked into anything. Weak sauce.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:09 pm

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mjba257 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

WJC is still afforded access and invitation as an ex-Prez but that’s obviously wrong given what’s known. I regard that the same way as what’s known about DJT and his visa trophy palling around all drugged up with Maxwell/Epstein. Neither deserve reprieve.

As for Tara Reade, that ship sailed when the pattern of deceit throughout her life became clear - unlike Dr. Ford and Anita Hill, both of whom have stellar professional and personal reputations. Reade was criticized for that on all sides if you were paying any attention:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 ... ces-260771

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ ... ility/amp/


Tara Read had corroborating evidence, including a phone call her mother made to Larry King dates back to 1993, the year said event occurred. In addition, her ex-husband said in a court filing that she had told him about an incident in 1993. And a friend, who was a biden supporter btw, said Read had told her about the event back when it happened. Meanwhile, Blasey Ford could not produce one eye witness who corroborated her story


You’re repeating talking points from May 2020 and obviously never looked into anything. Weak sauce.


No, you are doing rape apologetics. The exact same thing you yell at the right over. "She changed her story", "Why'd she wait until now?"

Yet if a Republican gets accused, they don't get the same benefit of the doubt
 
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:14 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
mjba257 wrote:

Tara Read had corroborating evidence, including a phone call her mother made to Larry King dates back to 1993, the year said event occurred. In addition, her ex-husband said in a court filing that she had told him about an incident in 1993. And a friend, who was a biden supporter btw, said Read had told her about the event back when it happened. Meanwhile, Blasey Ford could not produce one eye witness who corroborated her story


You’re repeating talking points from May 2020 and obviously never looked into anything. Weak sauce.


No, you are doing rape apologetics. The exact same thing you yell at the right over. "She changed her story", "Why'd she wait until now?"

Yet if a Republican gets accused, they don't get the same benefit of the doubt


I gave you two excellent pieces to read that are well sourced. You can either read them and learn or continue with BS polemics. Your choice.
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:40 am

Nobody buying Cuomo’s non-apology apology.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/02/opin ... index.html
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:37 pm

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Handsy Andy has lost his emergency powers as well. It's getting to the point where he may have to leave.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politic ... l/2919491/


N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo To Be Stripped Of Pandemic Emergency Powers

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/97319818 ... ncy-powers

So "The Show" must *not* go on...

Assemblyman Ron Kim: Cuomo Must Be REMOVED, Chris Cuomo Should Apologize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_f_Oel8nzA

But Trump.......

But Trump did *not* do such things while he was IN OFFICE. That's a sticking point easily overlooked by the Righteous Dems.... That so many Dems commit these acts of impropriety while they are serving IN OFFICE. And, in Clinton's case, actually "in" the Office...
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:56 pm

Could this be Andrew trying to find a place to lay low for awhile? :rotfl:

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Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:21 pm

Oooh here comes another - Rep. Ronny Jackson in hot water after a Pentagon IG report indicates he violated DoD drug policies, drank on the job, and was sexually aggressive toward female subordinates while working at the WH. 78 West Wing and DoD witnesses were interviewed for the report, but he claims it's a 'political hit job' because he supports Trump. Ummm what a dumbshit...these were your colleagues, not Dems. This is the same quack who told us an obese 73 year-old with high cardiac calcium score who hardly ever walks was in peak physical condition. :rotfl:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/02 ... stigation/

At hotel, witness says he saw Jackson "pounding" on the door of his female subordinate's room. When she opened the door, Jackson said, "I need you," and, "I need you to come to my room."
Witnesses alleged that Jackson made a comment about a subordinate's breasts and buttocks


https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/13669 ... 59557?s=20
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:42 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Handsy Andy has lost his emergency powers as well. It's getting to the point where he may have to leave.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politic ... l/2919491/


N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo To Be Stripped Of Pandemic Emergency Powers

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/97319818 ... ncy-powers

So "The Show" must *not* go on...

Assemblyman Ron Kim: Cuomo Must Be REMOVED, Chris Cuomo Should Apologize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_f_Oel8nzA

But Trump.......

But Trump did *not* do such things while he was IN OFFICE. That's a sticking point easily overlooked by the Righteous Dems.... That so many Dems commit these acts of impropriety while they are serving IN OFFICE. And, in Clinton's case, actually "in" the Office...
You're missing the big point, probably on purpose. Nobody here or in New York is defending Cuomo. Yet, you and others like you immediately jumped to the defense of your cult leader when he came under attack.
 
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:43 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Handsy Andy has lost his emergency powers as well. It's getting to the point where he may have to leave.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politic ... l/2919491/


N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo To Be Stripped Of Pandemic Emergency Powers

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/97319818 ... ncy-powers

So "The Show" must *not* go on...

Assemblyman Ron Kim: Cuomo Must Be REMOVED, Chris Cuomo Should Apologize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_f_Oel8nzA

But Trump.......

But Trump did *not* do such things while he was IN OFFICE. That's a sticking point easily overlooked by the Righteous Dems.... That so many Dems commit these acts of impropriety while they are serving IN OFFICE. And, in Clinton's case, actually "in" the Office...


That you know of. Or are we just ignoring Stormy Daniels? Because king MAGA can not be investigated ever for anything. But, Democrats will hold our own responsible for their actions. Even for consensual acts between adults.
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:45 pm

seb146 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Handsy Andy has lost his emergency powers as well. It's getting to the point where he may have to leave.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politic ... l/2919491/


N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo To Be Stripped Of Pandemic Emergency Powers

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/97319818 ... ncy-powers

So "The Show" must *not* go on...

Assemblyman Ron Kim: Cuomo Must Be REMOVED, Chris Cuomo Should Apologize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_f_Oel8nzA

But Trump.......

But Trump did *not* do such things while he was IN OFFICE. That's a sticking point easily overlooked by the Righteous Dems.... That so many Dems commit these acts of impropriety while they are serving IN OFFICE. And, in Clinton's case, actually "in" the Office...


That you know of. Or are we just ignoring Stormy Daniels? Because king MAGA can not be investigated ever for anything. But, Democrats will hold our own responsible for their actions. Even for consensual acts between adults.


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Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:48 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
seb146 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo To Be Stripped Of Pandemic Emergency Powers

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/97319818 ... ncy-powers

So "The Show" must *not* go on...

Assemblyman Ron Kim: Cuomo Must Be REMOVED, Chris Cuomo Should Apologize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_f_Oel8nzA

But Trump.......

But Trump did *not* do such things while he was IN OFFICE. That's a sticking point easily overlooked by the Righteous Dems.... That so many Dems commit these acts of impropriety while they are serving IN OFFICE. And, in Clinton's case, actually "in" the Office...


That you know of. Or are we just ignoring Stormy Daniels? Because king MAGA can not be investigated ever for anything. But, Democrats will hold our own responsible for their actions. Even for consensual acts between adults.


How proud you must be !!!


The Democrats hold our own accountable instead of celebrating the ones who cheat on their spouses and celebrating the ones who are proud of being sexual predators? Heck, yeah!
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Re: Gov Cuomo fall from grace

Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:28 pm

seb146 wrote:
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seb146 wrote:

That you know of. Or are we just ignoring Stormy Daniels? Because king MAGA can not be investigated ever for anything. But, Democrats will hold our own responsible for their actions. Even for consensual acts between adults.


How proud you must be !!!


The Democrats hold our own accountable instead of celebrating the ones who cheat on their spouses and celebrating the ones who are proud of being sexual predators? Heck, yeah!


I am wondering where Sen Kirsten Gillibrand is on this Cuomo matter..She was pretty quick to throw Al Franken under the bus.She is supposed to be the ram rod for womens rights and women must be heard. She also represents NY. She is strangely quiet when it comes to Cuomo.
 
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:39 pm

This is so cringe for me because I liked him as a government personality during COVID, and I actually know the third woman casually and I saw her IG story before it hit the news. :boggled: :yuck:
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:21 pm

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That’s rich of Don since he and Cuomo have the same abuser disposition.


That's why American politics is so much fun. There is garbage on both sides. The insults are exciting, because they're true.

Yah but one side views garbage as aspirational goals. Made a whole circus of it in Orlando at QPAC this week.

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"Amerca Loves a crisis!" Especially if it revolves around sins of the flesh. Who needs those sappy reality shows with perfect people? We need an Amazing Race or Survivor featuring fallen politicians competing against each other. For the NY Governor the perfect Murphy's Law s**t show. From the tragic nursing home Covid scandel to copping one too many feels. I'm in the middle so I find these predictable scandals from both sides amusing and always something new. Still, the politician tapping his wingtips in the stall at MSP takes the cake along with one of those tele evangelists who hammed up his Southern Accent after getting caught steeling boys from the proverbial cookie jar. "Ah hayved sinned!"
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:09 pm

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That you know of. Or are we just ignoring Stormy Daniels? Because king MAGA can not be investigated ever for anything. But, Democrats will hold our own responsible for their actions. Even for consensual acts between adults.


IIRC Stormy Daniels (If Trump had sex with her) was a consensual act. Not sure what "Consensual acts" of Democrats you are speaking of. This thread is about Cuomo and his alleged acts were not consensual.

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I am wondering where Sen Kirsten Gillibrand is on this Cuomo matter..She was pretty quick to throw Al Franken under the bus.She is supposed to be the ram rod for womens rights and women must be heard. She also represents NY. She is strangely quiet when it comes to Cuomo.


I was wondering this myself. It is clear Cuomo will not step down and he is up for another term next year. Franken was thrown to the wolves.
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:29 pm

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How proud you must be !!!


The Democrats hold our own accountable instead of celebrating the ones who cheat on their spouses and celebrating the ones who are proud of being sexual predators? Heck, yeah!


I am wondering where Sen Kirsten Gillibrand is on this Cuomo matter..She was pretty quick to throw Al Franken under the bus.She is supposed to be the ram rod for womens rights and women must be heard. She also represents NY. She is strangely quiet when it comes to Cuomo.


https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541 ... acceptable

"Completely unacceptable" and “every allegation of sexual harassment must be taken seriously and be reviewed." So, again, Democrats holding our own accountable for their actions instead of giving them a pass.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541 ... acceptable

"Completely unacceptable" and “every allegation of sexual harassment must be taken seriously and be reviewed." So, again, Democrats holding our own accountable for their actions instead of giving them a pass.


How so? Cuomo is standing firm and not resigning where as the post referencing Franken is because he was forced to resign quite quickly. I bet Franken is livid at the moment.
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:53 am

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That you know of. Or are we just ignoring Stormy Daniels? Because king MAGA can not be investigated ever for anything. But, Democrats will hold our own responsible for their actions. Even for consensual acts between adults.


IIRC Stormy Daniels (If Trump had sex with her) was a consensual act. Not sure what "Consensual acts" of Democrats you are speaking of. This thread is about Cuomo and his alleged acts were not consensual.

stratosphere wrote:

I am wondering where Sen Kirsten Gillibrand is on this Cuomo matter..She was pretty quick to throw Al Franken under the bus.She is supposed to be the ram rod for womens rights and women must be heard. She also represents NY. She is strangely quiet when it comes to Cuomo.


I was wondering this myself. It is clear Cuomo will not step down and he is up for another term next year. Franken was thrown to the wolves.

We will be expected to find Cuomo’s determination inspiring. And still, he persisted.
 
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America’s Andrew Cuomo Problem -- Why was the New York governor’s reckoning so long in coming?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... em/618184/

Each of the past three Democratic governors has been tarnished by scandal. Before Cuomo, there was David Paterson, who acknowledged an affair with a state employee and was fined for lying under oath while in office, among other scandals. Paterson became governor when Eliot Spitzer resigned in a prostitution scandal. Eric Schneiderman, a Democrat who succeeded Cuomo and Spitzer as attorney general, resigned in 2018 amid sexual-abuse allegations.

The misbehavior and abuses seem so widespread, it’s hard not to conclude that these scandals occur, at least in part, because Democrats have little to fear from Republican challengers.


The same, sort of applies to states where the Rs are in charge. But, I must admit, the D's scandals are always sexier. Many R scandals are just boring, in comparison.
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NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

That you know of. Or are we just ignoring Stormy Daniels? Because king MAGA can not be investigated ever for anything. But, Democrats will hold our own responsible for their actions. Even for consensual acts between adults.


IIRC Stormy Daniels (If Trump had sex with her) was a consensual act. Not sure what "Consensual acts" of Democrats you are speaking of. This thread is about Cuomo and his alleged acts were not consensual.

stratosphere wrote:

I am wondering where Sen Kirsten Gillibrand is on this Cuomo matter..She was pretty quick to throw Al Franken under the bus.She is supposed to be the ram rod for womens rights and women must be heard. She also represents NY. She is strangely quiet when it comes to Cuomo.


I was wondering this myself. It is clear Cuomo will not step down and he is up for another term next year. Franken was thrown to the wolves.

We will be expected to find Cuomo’s determination inspiring. And still, he persisted.


I don't think Franken is "livid" but, rather, standing with Gillibrand and those calling for Cuomo's resignation.

Stormy Daniels was paid $130,000 from a slush fund that she never should have been paid from. Whether that payment was for services rendered or hush money, it is almost the same as Clinton/Lewensky. The difference being, there was no money exchanged between Clinton and Lewensky. And, yet, Clinton had to be punished. "But he was under oath!" and he had the fortitude to testify under oath. Even about something that has nothing at all to do with national security or anyone's business. Who is the Republican from Ohio who knew about boys being molested and said nothing and he still is praised in Republican circles? But, yeah, totally the same thing.....

It is just frustrating to explain morals and morality to the party who keeps claiming they are only about morals and morality......
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Trump’s goons are waiting in the wings so they can run, possibly win, then pardon him.

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