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Texas Gov. Abbott's new bill prohibits social media companies from censoring viewpoints

Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:43 pm

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Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:09 pm

A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.
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Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:13 pm

Should be fun to see how this plays out. It's a test for the first Amendment.
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Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:17 pm

Is that ALL viewpoints or just the conspiracy theory viewpoints pushed by the Republican party?
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Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:26 pm

Abbott is desperately trying to change the conversation from the State's abject failures during the winter weather fiasco.

First, he announced his "no more mask mandate" - a move that pandered only to his base, and pretty much backfired among businesses and rational thinkers. Now a dubious move to challenge a private business - a business which, despite all the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands - has no obligation under the First Amendment, or any other Constitutional argument, to publish anything it finds improper, inflammatory, or offensive.

Indeed, what Abbott and his ilk are seeking to do is to deny social media companies their First Amendment rights. As a notable, now-gone Washington bully once said...

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Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:30 pm

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/05 ... ial-media/
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seb146 wrote:
Is that ALL viewpoints or just the conspiracy theory viewpoints pushed by the Republican party?

casinterest wrote:
A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.

The focus of the bill's text seems to be action targetting particular users instead of the social media posts themselves, if I am reading correctly?
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Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:08 pm

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Should be fun to see how this plays out. It's a test for the first Amendment.


It aint much of a test. They are telling tech companies they have to host speech they don’t like / want on their private property. Never gonna happen.
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Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:53 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Should be fun to see how this plays out. It's a test for the first Amendment.

It aint much of a test. They are telling tech companies they have to host speech they don’t like / want on their private property. Never gonna happen.


Some of our brethren seem to be unable to understand that the First Amendment does not apply to private companies.


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https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/05/texas-greg-abbott-press-conference-social-media/
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seb146 wrote:
Is that ALL viewpoints or just the conspiracy theory viewpoints pushed by the Republican party?

casinterest wrote:
A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.

The focus of the bill's text seems to be action targetting particular users instead of the social media posts themselves, if I am reading correctly?


The right hates being fact checked. They don't want to deal with facts, just their own narrative. So, let them live in their own world. Separate them from the general population and let them live as though MAGA is the only ruling party and they finally pwned the libs. Build a wall around Florida and ship them all there. They can parrot their narratives all day long amongst each other.
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seb146 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/05/texas-greg-abbott-press-conference-social-media/
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seb146 wrote:
Is that ALL viewpoints or just the conspiracy theory viewpoints pushed by the Republican party?

casinterest wrote:
A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.

The focus of the bill's text seems to be action targetting particular users instead of the social media posts themselves, if I am reading correctly?


The right hates being fact checked. They don't want to deal with facts, just their own narrative. So, let them live in their own world. Separate them from the general population and let them live as though MAGA is the only ruling party and they finally pwned the libs. Build a wall around Florida and ship them all there. They can parrot their narratives all day long amongst each other.

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Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:45 am

luckyone wrote:
seb146 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/05/texas-greg-abbott-press-conference-social-media/
Text article report for anyone who don't like watching video
The focus of the bill's text seems to be action targetting particular users instead of the social media posts themselves, if I am reading correctly?

The right hates being fact checked. They don't want to deal with facts, just their own narrative. So, let them live in their own world. Separate them from the general population and let them live as though MAGA is the only ruling party and they finally pwned the libs. Build a wall around Florida and ship them all there. They can parrot their narratives all day long amongst each other.

Until Florida floods...


I'm not sure that would be a negative...

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Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:59 am

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Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


Social media companies are not following the same standards, it will be very difficult to prove before a judge or congressional/senate hearing, why exact same statements were and are being allowed in other countries. They have to prove hate speech in one country is viewpoint in another.
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Social media companies are not following the same standards, it will be very difficult to prove before a judge or congressional/senate hearing, why exact same statements were and are being allowed in other countries. They have to prove hate speech in one country is viewpoint in another.


In the end, that is irrelevant. Private businesses are not subject to First Amendment rules.

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Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:42 am

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casinterest wrote:
Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


Social media companies are not following the same standards, it will be very difficult to prove before a judge or congressional/senate hearing, why exact same statements were and are being allowed in other countries. They have to prove hate speech in one country is viewpoint in another.


There is no need to 'prove' anything - inconsistently applying policy is not the same as inconsistently applying law. A company would be on the hook in court, for example, if they were not consistently applying EEOC or FMLA requirements. If a company went against their own internal policies and promoted someone with only six months of service when a policy requires one year, that would be a business decision and not a violation of any law. The difference should be clear.
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:04 am

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dtw2hyd wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


Social media companies are not following the same standards, it will be very difficult to prove before a judge or congressional/senate hearing, why exact same statements were and are being allowed in other countries. They have to prove hate speech in one country is viewpoint in another.


There is no need to 'prove' anything - inconsistently applying policy is not the same as inconsistently applying law. A company would be on the hook in court, for example, if they were not consistently applying EEOC or FMLA requirements. If a company went against their own internal policies and promoted someone with only six months of service when a policy requires one year, that would be a business decision and not a violation of any law. The difference should be clear.

Isn't it the reason which get them to write a new law?
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:29 am

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Aaron747 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

Social media companies are not following the same standards, it will be very difficult to prove before a judge or congressional/senate hearing, why exact same statements were and are being allowed in other countries. They have to prove hate speech in one country is viewpoint in another.


There is no need to 'prove' anything - inconsistently applying policy is not the same as inconsistently applying law. A company would be on the hook in court, for example, if they were not consistently applying EEOC or FMLA requirements. If a company went against their own internal policies and promoted someone with only six months of service when a policy requires one year, that would be a business decision and not a violation of any law. The difference should be clear.

Isn't it the reason which get them to write a new law?


If there is some gross violation of rights, sure. But that's not the case here. Nobody has a constitutional right to have a social media account, much less keep one if they violate terms they signed up to, but those companies do have a right to have their own opinions and policies on what they will/won't host.
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c933103 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

There is no need to 'prove' anything - inconsistently applying policy is not the same as inconsistently applying law. A company would be on the hook in court, for example, if they were not consistently applying EEOC or FMLA requirements. If a company went against their own internal policies and promoted someone with only six months of service when a policy requires one year, that would be a business decision and not a violation of any law. The difference should be clear.

Isn't it the reason which get them to write a new law?


If there is some gross violation of rights, sure. But that's not the case here. Nobody has a constitutional right to have a social media account, much less keep one if they violate terms they signed up to, but those companies do have a right to have their own opinions and policies on what they will/won't host.

I don't think it is necessary for constitutional right to be violated for a law to be made against such behavior? Just like you can ban plastic straw in your city or states, doesn't have to prove using plastic straw would violate constitution
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:26 am

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Aaron747 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Isn't it the reason which get them to write a new law?


If there is some gross violation of rights, sure. But that's not the case here. Nobody has a constitutional right to have a social media account, much less keep one if they violate terms they signed up to, but those companies do have a right to have their own opinions and policies on what they will/won't host.

I don't think it is necessary for constitutional right to be violated for a law to be made against such behavior? Just like you can ban plastic straw in your city or states, doesn't have to prove using plastic straw would violate constitution


I don't think you understand. People don't have an express right to use plastic straws. Private companies do have express rights to their own speech. Regulating that *would* violate the Constitution.
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c933103 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

If there is some gross violation of rights, sure. But that's not the case here. Nobody has a constitutional right to have a social media account, much less keep one if they violate terms they signed up to, but those companies do have a right to have their own opinions and policies on what they will/won't host.

I don't think it is necessary for constitutional right to be violated for a law to be made against such behavior? Just like you can ban plastic straw in your city or states, doesn't have to prove using plastic straw would violate constitution


I don't think you understand. People don't have an express right to use plastic straws. Private companies do have express rights to their own speech. Regulating that *would* violate the Constitution.

I am not sure how banning or demonetizing user on platforms like forum can count as a speech
The bill didn't propose regulation on things like warning on speech according to my understanding
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c933103 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
I don't think it is necessary for constitutional right to be violated for a law to be made against such behavior? Just like you can ban plastic straw in your city or states, doesn't have to prove using plastic straw would violate constitution


I don't think you understand. People don't have an express right to use plastic straws. Private companies do have express rights to their own speech. Regulating that *would* violate the Constitution.

I am not sure how banning or demonetizing user on platforms like forum can count as a speech
The bill didn't propose regulation on things like warning on speech according to my understanding


As I said before, companies have opinions on what types of content they do / don't want to allow on their platforms. They create those guidelines themselves. Banning them from enforcing their user agreements would effectively violate their speech. That's the rub.
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Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


Social media companies are not following the same standards, it will be very difficult to prove before a judge or congressional/senate hearing, why exact same statements were and are being allowed in other countries. They have to prove hate speech in one country is viewpoint in another.


People can start their own social media companies to forward their own ideas. See: Parlor. They do not allow fact checking by libs. See: Qanon. They do not allow fact checking by libs. Free speech has not been cancelled. MAGA says it is but they just hate being fact checked
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:13 am

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c933103 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

I don't think you understand. People don't have an express right to use plastic straws. Private companies do have express rights to their own speech. Regulating that *would* violate the Constitution.

I am not sure how banning or demonetizing user on platforms like forum can count as a speech
The bill didn't propose regulation on things like warning on speech according to my understanding


As I said before, companies have opinions on what types of content they do / don't want to allow on their platforms. They create those guidelines themselves. Banning them from enforcing their user agreements would effectively violate their speech. That's the rub.

With section 230, user content cannot be considered as speech of internet platform.
And I fail to see how "enforcement of user agreement" can be count as a form of speech, it is like saying "I have the freedom of speech to ban anyone with three leg from entering my shop because my shop's customer agreement say so"
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:35 am

Well that's the current interpretation of the US constitution (the antigay cake shop did win at the supreme court).
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c933103 wrote:
I am not sure how banning or demonetizing user on platforms like forum can count as a speech
The bill didn't propose regulation on things like warning on speech according to my understanding


As I said before, companies have opinions on what types of content they do / don't want to allow on their platforms. They create those guidelines themselves. Banning them from enforcing their user agreements would effectively violate their speech. That's the rub.

With section 230, user content cannot be considered as speech of internet platform.
And I fail to see how "enforcement of user agreement" can be count as a form of speech, it is like saying "I have the freedom of speech to ban anyone with three leg from entering my shop because my shop's customer agreement say so"


You're conflating unrelated issues. Section 230 deals with platform liability for what user contents say/contain. I'm talking about the company's opinion itself - legally, this is regarded in the same way as an individual's. Until the Supreme Court changes its stance, that's the way things are.

Your example is irrelevant - not to mention illegal - because 'banning three legs' would violate fundamental rights. Federal law and most state civil rights laws have language that more or less say "It is a discriminatory practice and unlawful for a person, directly or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from, or deny to an individual or a group, because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, or ancestry, the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services". Political opinions and opinions on what is/isn't appropriate speech are not included in such civil rights regulations. Companies have and can terminate employment on the basis of political opinions and personal behaviors/views they find objectionable. Naturally, they can do the same for users who violate terms they agreed to when signing up for services.
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:37 am

The Government does not get to set itself up as the arbiter of Truth; nor does the First Amendment permit the government to tell private companies what to publish or refrain from publishing on their own property.
 
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And I fail to see how "enforcement of user agreement" can be count as a form of speech, it is like saying "I have the freedom of speech to ban anyone with three leg from entering my shop because my shop's customer agreement say so"

You can ban (exclude) people from entering your shop essentially as you see fit (due to right of association) excluding of course "protected classes" that have been spelled out in the law.

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Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:32 am

In India there is the opposite discussion. The government wants the platforms to be responsible for the content the users post.

If Buddha is right and the truth is somewhere in the middle, today's system is just fine.

On Quora those who post can delete comments to their post. That's private censorship, but censorship nonetheless. There was a Chinese user with big following. He deleted all comments to his contribution that were critical to his nationalist views. After some time Quora doesn't even show that posts got deleted. It then looks if everybody agrees.
Culture also matters. I like the German Quora. I haven't come across something like with the Chinese guy on the German Quora.

But then it's my choice if I want to use Quora or any other platform. Similar the platforms must have their choices.
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alfa164 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Should be fun to see how this plays out. It's a test for the first Amendment.

It aint much of a test. They are telling tech companies they have to host speech they don’t like / want on their private property. Never gonna happen.


Some of our brethren seem to be unable to understand that the First Amendment does not apply to private companies.

:roll:


It's normally the ones that make the most noise about "the Constitution" as well. You can't make this up! :rotfl:

Out of interest, how would Texas law apply to a social media company that's not hosted in TX?
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It aint much of a test. They are telling tech companies they have to host speech they don’t like / want on their private property. Never gonna happen.


Some of our brethren seem to be unable to understand that the First Amendment does not apply to private companies.

:roll:


It's normally the ones that make the most noise about "the Constitution" as well. You can't make this up! :rotfl:

Out of interest, how would Texas law apply to a social media company that's not hosted in TX?


Furthermore, how would a federal ban on content moderation apply to these companies when their operations are global..? Aside from the industry titans there are even small companies (not just social media) in Silicon Valley and other tech hubs with just a couple hundred employees who consider themselves global, not domestic.
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Well these global companies do clash with local laws in other countries, the US definition of "free speech" being broader than basically everywhere else.

In France they also clash in the other way, for years there has been complaints that they censor photos/pictures too much : first sign of a nipple or nudity and there is censorship or even bans, even when displaying famous works of art...
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Well these global companies do clash with local laws in other countries, the US definition of "free speech" being broader than basically everywhere else.

In France they also clash in the other way, for years there has been complaints that they censor photos/pictures too much : first sign of a nipple or nudity and there is censorship or even bans, even when displaying famous works of art...


That's true - in an FB group for people who like dark humor, I've seen complaints from Dutch and Danish members that they were 'put in FB jail' for posting nudity :lol:
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Aaron747 wrote:

As I said before, companies have opinions on what types of content they do / don't want to allow on their platforms. They create those guidelines themselves. Banning them from enforcing their user agreements would effectively violate their speech. That's the rub.

With section 230, user content cannot be considered as speech of internet platform.
And I fail to see how "enforcement of user agreement" can be count as a form of speech, it is like saying "I have the freedom of speech to ban anyone with three leg from entering my shop because my shop's customer agreement say so"


You're conflating unrelated issues. Section 230 deals with platform liability for what user contents say/contain. I'm talking about the company's opinion itself - legally, this is regarded in the same way as an individual's. Until the Supreme Court changes its stance, that's the way things are.

Your example is irrelevant - not to mention illegal - because 'banning three legs' would violate fundamental rights. Federal law and most state civil rights laws have language that more or less say "It is a discriminatory practice and unlawful for a person, directly or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from, or deny to an individual or a group, because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, or ancestry, the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services". Political opinions and opinions on what is/isn't appropriate speech are not included in such civil rights regulations. Companies have and can terminate employment on the basis of political opinions and personal behaviors/views they find objectionable. Naturally, they can do the same for users who violate terms they agreed to when signing up for services.



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And I fail to see how "enforcement of user agreement" can be count as a form of speech, it is like saying "I have the freedom of speech to ban anyone with three leg from entering my shop because my shop's customer agreement say so"

You can ban (exclude) people from entering your shop essentially as you see fit (due to right of association) excluding of course "protected classes" that have been spelled out in the law.

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Unless I am mistaken, isn't the proposed bill functionally similar to such antidiscrimination law?
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:37 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
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Should be fun to see how this plays out. It's a test for the first Amendment.

It aint much of a test. They are telling tech companies they have to host speech they don’t like / want on their private property. Never gonna happen.


Some of our brethren seem to be unable to understand that the First Amendment does not apply to private companies.


:roll:


Unfortunately we now have private monopolies though, so either split them up or impose restrictions on them. Another poster compared them to a bakery which is disingenuous. If a bakery won't write messages they disagree with on your cake, you can try going to another one.
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:48 pm

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Social media companies are not following the same standards, it will be very difficult to prove before a judge or congressional/senate hearing, why exact same statements were and are being allowed in other countries. They have to prove hate speech in one country is viewpoint in another.


In the end, that is irrelevant. Private businesses are not subject to First Amendment rules.

It doesn't get much simpler than that...


First amendment only gives protection for speech against government.
Most of the hate speech on SM Platforms is directed towards private citizens, SMPs doesn't get a pass.

Private corporations tried "Our written policies" trick with data/e-mail retention and financial statements. They had a good run but later laws were made to plug these holes.
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:54 pm

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A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


There is no shortage of hateful speech on social media. Also, what was hateful about Mike Lindell (other than perhaps subjecting everyone to his commercials at every commercial break for the past few years)
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:00 pm

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It aint much of a test. They are telling tech companies they have to host speech they don’t like / want on their private property. Never gonna happen.


Some of our brethren seem to be unable to understand that the First Amendment does not apply to private companies.


:roll:


Unfortunately we now have private monopolies though, so either split them up or impose restrictions on them. Another poster compared them to a bakery which is disingenuous. If a bakery won't write messages they disagree with on your cake, you can try going to another one.


It seems you don't really know much about the industry. These are not monopolies - there are more than 25 social media sites/apps with 100+ million active users. What is your definition of a monopoly?
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:01 pm

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A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


There is no shortage of hateful speech on social media. Also, what was hateful about Mike Lindell (other than perhaps subjecting everyone to his commercials at every commercial break for the past few years)


He violated specific policies against spreading election-related disinformation. Crystal clear.
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:09 pm

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Unless I am mistaken, isn't the proposed bill functionally similar to such antidiscrimination law?


What is the new protected class, then ?
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:34 pm

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In India there is the opposite discussion. The government wants the platforms to be responsible for the content the users post.


India is not a democracy, those are just mob rules to protect the mob boss.

Just to give a hint, Trump never asked to delete any content even if it is against him, hint democracy.

If we apply India's rules, all our Media company CEOs, stand-up comedians will be Guantanamo Bay.
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:11 pm

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A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


Actually, as has been documented, any conservative speech is being squelched. Don't be disingenuous by declaring things you disagree with as hate speech.
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:21 pm

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It seems you don't really know much about the industry. These are not monopolies - there are more than 25 social media sites/apps with 100+ million active users. What is your definition of a monopoly?


The same one as Investopedia:


'What Is a Monopoly?

A monopoly refers to when a company and its product offerings dominate a sector or industry. Monopolies can be considered an extreme result of free-market capitalism in that absent any restriction or restraints, a single company or group becomes large enough to own all or nearly all of the market (goods, supplies, commodities, infrastructure, and assets) for a particular type of product or service. The term monopoly is often used to describe an entity that has total or near-total control of a market."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/monopoly.asp
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:25 pm

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There is no shortage of hateful speech on social media. Also, what was hateful about Mike Lindell (other than perhaps subjecting everyone to his commercials at every commercial break for the past few years)


He violated specific policies against spreading election-related disinformation. Crystal clear.


Clearly that would not be considered hate speech if that were even the case. Like over 100 million Americans, Mike's opinion is that there was election fraud in the swing states that resulted in the election being stolen from Trump. He also spent millions of dollars of his own $ to investigate and backs his opinion with facts that no one has contested.
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:32 pm

Aesma wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Unless I am mistaken, isn't the proposed bill functionally similar to such antidiscrimination law?


What is the new protected class, then ?

The article say:

Senate Bill 12 would prohibit social media companies — including Facebook, Twitter and YouTube — from blocking, banning, demonetizing, or otherwise discriminating against a user based on their viewpoint or their location within Texas.

It would apply to anyone who lives in, does business in or has social media followers in Texas. Under the proposal, a person who feels they’ve been wrongly barred from a platform can file a claim in court. The Texas attorney general can also bring a claim on a person’s behalf. If a social media company fails to comply, the bill stipulates that the court can impose “daily penalties sufficient to secure immediate compliance.”
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:33 pm

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A bill from a moron.

Viewpoints aren't censored. Hate speech is.


Actually, as has been documented, any conservative speech is being squelched. Don't be disingenuous by declaring things you disagree with as hate speech.



Show some proof. Or are you saying all conservatives speech is hate speech?
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Re: Texas Gov. Abbott's new bill prohibits social media companies from censoring viewpoints

Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:42 pm

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afcjets wrote:
There is no shortage of hateful speech on social media. Also, what was hateful about Mike Lindell (other than perhaps subjecting everyone to his commercials at every commercial break for the past few years)


He violated specific policies against spreading election-related disinformation. Crystal clear.


Clearly that would not be considered hate speech if that were even the case. Like over 100 million Americans, Mike's opinion is that there was election fraud in the swing states that resulted in the election being stolen from Trump. He also spent millions of dollars of his own $ to investigate and backs his opinion with facts that no one has contested.


Hate speech is a separate policy. Twitter, FB and YouTube were very clear that they would be policing specific election disinformation. You can see the latter's announcement from 1/7 here:

https://twitter.com/YouTubeInsider/stat ... 71970?s=20

As for his "facts" they don't need to be contested - those theories were tossed in court multiple times. :sarcastic:
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Re: Texas Gov. Abbott's new bill prohibits social media companies from censoring viewpoints

Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:45 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:

It seems you don't really know much about the industry. These are not monopolies - there are more than 25 social media sites/apps with 100+ million active users. What is your definition of a monopoly?


The same one as Investopedia:


'What Is a Monopoly?

A monopoly refers to when a company and its product offerings dominate a sector or industry. Monopolies can be considered an extreme result of free-market capitalism in that absent any restriction or restraints, a single company or group becomes large enough to own all or nearly all of the market (goods, supplies, commodities, infrastructure, and assets) for a particular type of product or service. The term monopoly is often used to describe an entity that has total or near-total control of a market."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/monopoly.asp


Okay, great, now please explain how that applies to this marketplace, where there are over 4+ billion social media users globally, many using more than one platform:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... tive_users

I don't see anyone on the list 'owning all or nearly all of the market'
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Re: Texas Gov. Abbott's new bill prohibits social media companies from censoring viewpoints

Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:47 pm

Man, imagine a world where conservatives didn't constantly play the victim or traffic in performative outrage!
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:32 pm

So if someone posted things hostile to him, the SM would not be able to take it down?.

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