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Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:02 pm

If true, let him burn.
 
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:52 pm

DocLightning wrote:
I want to just remind everybody that as gratifying as it is to see a child molester/trafficker get his due (they so often get away with it), keep in mind that a number of girls and young women were trafficked and sexually abused in order for Mr. Gaetz to get his due.

Watching justice served is good recompense, but it doesn't undo the horrors that were visited upon his victims.

Please don't lose sight of that.


Along those lines, I'm also sick of hearing the QAnon "cabal" statement crap. It's a weak virtue signaling attempt (admittedly, used to lure in all those QAnoners) that takes away from the real focus of those who are trafficked.

And as someone who grew up in the 90's, the only "cabal" I know of is the character from the Mortal Kombat series.
 
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:27 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
I want to just remind everybody that as gratifying as it is to see a child molester/trafficker get his due (they so often get away with it), keep in mind that a number of girls and young women were trafficked and sexually abused in order for Mr. Gaetz to get his due.

Watching justice served is good recompense, but it doesn't undo the horrors that were visited upon his victims.

Please don't lose sight of that.


Along those lines, I'm also sick of hearing the QAnon "cabal" statement crap. It's a weak virtue signaling attempt (admittedly, used to lure in all those QAnoners) that takes away from the real focus of those who are trafficked.

And as someone who grew up in the 90's, the only "cabal" I know of is the character from the Mortal Kombat series.


It is a valid point, though. Q followers are constantly going off on how "liberals" run child sex trafficking rings and "liberals" need to be stopped because of pedo and "liberals" have some dark connection to child molestation. This is a valid point that must be made. The Q people are so obsessed with playing gotcha with "liberals" that they remain silent and even defend those in their own sect who do what they claim they are against.

Speaking of "sect" I always thought "cabal" was a religious term? I gotta go look that up...
 
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:50 pm

Gaetz communications director has resigned

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/luke-ball- ... ing-minor/

Remember the demands that Al Franken and Andrew Cuomo resign because Republicans respect #metoo and women? Funny how those people are silent....
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am

seb146 wrote:
Gaetz communications director has resigned

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/luke-ball- ... ing-minor/

Remember the demands that Al Franken and Andrew Cuomo resign because Republicans respect #metoo and women? Funny how those people are silent....


Franken got screwed but he should have stood up for himself and told Pelosi to screw. As for the rest of your comment why should Gaetz resign? No women have accused him of anything and the feds have not charged him with anything, Cuomo has 9 accusers. I mean if you are going to use analogies at least make them accurate.
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:22 am

NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Gaetz communications director has resigned

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/luke-ball- ... ing-minor/

Remember the demands that Al Franken and Andrew Cuomo resign because Republicans respect #metoo and women? Funny how those people are silent....


Franken got screwed but he should have stood up for himself and told Pelosi to screw. As for the rest of your comment why should Gaetz resign? No women have accused him of anything and the feds have not charged him with anything, Cuomo has 9 accusers. I mean if you are going to use analogies at least make them accurate.


These are/were minors when he allegedly was with them. The Justice Department began this investigation under William Barr. Not under the current administration. There was something so bad that Gaetz did that the "family values" MAGA Justice Department had to investigate him. There is enough "there" there that his own people launched an investigation. Authorities are investigating him. Children are involved. Why should he remain in office? Children.

So, you are correct. I need to find an analogy from Democrats that involves minors.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:01 am

Gaetz really seems screwed now - expect more to come out. His trafficking buddy appears to have struck a plea deal.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/matt-ga ... -case.html
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:11 am

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Gaetz really seems screwed now -


I am sure there is no irony intended in that statement...


;)
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:01 am

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Yes same here about the Cuban boy! No white man adopts a teenage Latino/Asian boy out of the kindness off their heart. He’s boinking the adopted son. I think the girl and other nude pics of women are kind of a ruse to keep people from thinking about the adopted son.


I assume then you would support a law that forbids single men or worse a male/male (as in gay) couple, and as in worse because he would be getting raped twice as much, from adopting teenage boys? Or would you include boys of any age since they will one-day become teenagers?

Or did you not think your post through because of your zeal to indict a Republican and more importantly Trump supporter for something you have no evidence of?
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:14 am

afcjets wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:

Yes same here about the Cuban boy! No white man adopts a teenage Latino/Asian boy out of the kindness off their heart. He’s boinking the adopted son. I think the girl and other nude pics of women are kind of a ruse to keep people from thinking about the adopted son.


I assume then you would support a law that forbids single men or worse a male/male (as in gay) couple, and as in worse because he would be getting raped twice as much, from adopting teenage boys? Or would you include boys of any age since they will one-day become teenagers?

Or did you not think your post through because of your zeal to indict a Republican and more importantly Trump supporter for something you have no evidence of?


I wouldn’t trust a Republican with anything, including faith, morals, politics and money. All lies and hypocrisy. So many examples are available. Oh and straights abuse so many children. I would say no children allowed for anyone. Let’s end this civilization.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:16 am

zkojq wrote:

Q: "Save our children from pedophiles!"

Also Q: "Wait not him he's MAGA. Save our children from liberal pedophiles only!"

It's the same playbook as ever from the far right: Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.


The latest article only ties Gaetz to 18 years old and only Greenberg to a 17 year old.

Also, while I haven't seen the documentary and know very little about Q, I believe their allegations are a bit more far fetched than having sex with a 17 year old (which is actually legal in several US states) and the alleged victims are much younger. Selective outrage indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-app.html
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:24 am

afcjets wrote:
zkojq wrote:

Q: "Save our children from pedophiles!"

Also Q: "Wait not him he's MAGA. Save our children from liberal pedophiles only!"

It's the same playbook as ever from the far right: Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.


The latest article only ties Gaetz to 18 years old and only Greenberg to a 17 year old.

Also, while I haven't seen the documentary and know very little about Q, I believe their allegations are a bit more far fetched than having sex with a 17 year old (which is actually legal in several US states) and the alleged victims are much younger. Selective outrage indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-app.html


Yeah nah, he was paying them too, and Greenberg was bringing girls across state lines. Age is only part of it. They have texts and Venmo receipts linking it all together. Prostitution laws in Florida apply to both johns and sellers. Gaetz is going to look even worse when all is said and done.

Mentions of Q are irrelevant, especially since the whole thing is a hoax by an IT administrator who wanted to F with people.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 am

afcjets wrote:
zkojq wrote:

Q: "Save our children from pedophiles!"

Also Q: "Wait not him he's MAGA. Save our children from liberal pedophiles only!"

It's the same playbook as ever from the far right: Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.


The latest article only ties Gaetz to 18 years old and only Greenberg to a 17 year old.

Also, while I haven't seen the documentary and know very little about Q, I believe their allegations are a bit more far fetched than having sex with a 17 year old (which is actually legal in several US states) and the alleged victims are much younger. Selective outrage indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-app.html


Gaetz was denying involvement with a minor weeks ago. He even asked his MAGA savior for a pardon before we even knew about any of this.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/06/politics ... index.html
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:03 am

CitizenJustin wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
I want to just remind everybody that as gratifying as it is to see a child molester/trafficker get his due (they so often get away with it), keep in mind that a number of girls and young women were trafficked and sexually abused in order for Mr. Gaetz to get his due.

How about we acknowledge all the victims of child sex trafficking, not just his victims and not just one gender. Surely you’re aware that young boys are trafficked and victimized as well? Whether it’s Bacca Bazi in the Middle East or the massive organized pedophile rings in Europe. I suggest you watch the documentary “Dancing Boys of Afghanistan”. Those boys live in abject poverty and are sold off by their own parents whom they never see again. I don’t think people are aware of the horrors that occur in these lawless war torn countries where people are so desperate to survive they’ll sell their own child knowing damn well what will happen to them.

That is horrific and actually the kind of thing I think of when I hear the term "sex trafficking", not a man who takes an 18 year old sugarbaby (or a paid escort) on a trip so he can bang her.

But we have mitigating factors...

From the Daily Mail UK link in my post above:

" 'He's one of our people,'' said Maggie Haberman, who covered Trump for The New York Times while he was in the White House.

'They have been very close, and it's been because Gaetz is a presence on television, he's from Florida, and he's willing to defend Trump vocally no matter what happens.' ...

Brash and combative, Gaetz has taken controversial steps in Congress, wearing a gas mask on the House floor last year during a vote on an early coronavirus response package.

In 2019 he delayed impeachment proceedings against Trump when he led dozens of Republican lawmakers who burst into closed-door witness depositions and refused to leave for several hours.

And in January Gaetz traveled to Wyoming to help stir up opposition to senior congresswoman Liz Cheney, one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump.

He had volunteered to leave Congress and defend the ex-president during Trump's second Senate impeachment trial, over the January 6 MAGA riot."

And these too:


Aaron747 wrote:
He’s just an overgrown frat boy at the end of the day.


johns624 wrote:
He always looked like a televangelist to me, with the perfect hair and everything.


CitizenJustin wrote:
CNN perfectly described him as belonging to the “buffoon” part of the GOP. Also, he has an extremely punchable face. He looks like he reeks of Axe body spray and is the type of guy to say “do you know who I am?”
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:08 am

afcjets wrote:
zkojq wrote:

Q: "Save our children from pedophiles!"

Also Q: "Wait not him he's MAGA. Save our children from liberal pedophiles only!"

It's the same playbook as ever from the far right: Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.


The latest article only ties Gaetz to 18 years old and only Greenberg to a 17 year old.

Also, while I haven't seen the documentary and know very little about Q, I believe their allegations are a bit more far fetched than having sex with a 17 year old (which is actually legal in several US states) and the alleged victims are much younger. Selective outrage indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-app.html


16 is actually legal in the vast majority of states.

16/17 is a gray area at best in this country at the national level. For example, NY state was sending 16 year olds to adult jails like Riker's for having sex with each other until fairly recently (juvenile court ended at 16, but age of consent is 17 in NY). This currently happens in Wisconsin except the AOC and "adult" court ages are increased by one.

Thing is - FL is one of the few states that "sort of" has it at 18. Being over 23 and in a position of power are two strikes against him if true.
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Re: Florida's Rep. Gaetz Under Investigation For Underage Impropriety

Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:08 am

afcjets wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
I want to just remind everybody that as gratifying as it is to see a child molester/trafficker get his due (they so often get away with it), keep in mind that a number of girls and young women were trafficked and sexually abused in order for Mr. Gaetz to get his due.

How about we acknowledge all the victims of child sex trafficking, not just his victims and not just one gender. Surely you’re aware that young boys are trafficked and victimized as well? Whether it’s Bacca Bazi in the Middle East or the massive organized pedophile rings in Europe. I suggest you watch the documentary “Dancing Boys of Afghanistan”. Those boys live in abject poverty and are sold off by their own parents whom they never see again. I don’t think people are aware of the horrors that occur in these lawless war torn countries where people are so desperate to survive they’ll sell their own child knowing damn well what will happen to them.

That is horrific and actually the kind of thing I think of when I hear the term "sex trafficking", not a man who takes an 18 year old sugarbaby (or a paid escort) on a trip so he can bang her.

But we have mitigating factors...

From the Daily Mail UK link in my post above:

" 'He's one of our people,'' said Maggie Haberman, who covered Trump for The New York Times while he was in the White House.

'They have been very close, and it's been because Gaetz is a presence on television, he's from Florida, and he's willing to defend Trump vocally no matter what happens.' ...

Brash and combative, Gaetz has taken controversial steps in Congress, wearing a gas mask on the House floor last year during a vote on an early coronavirus response package.

In 2019 he delayed impeachment proceedings against Trump when he led dozens of Republican lawmakers who burst into closed-door witness depositions and refused to leave for several hours.

And in January Gaetz traveled to Wyoming to help stir up opposition to senior congresswoman Liz Cheney, one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump.

He had volunteered to leave Congress and defend the ex-president during Trump's second Senate impeachment trial, over the January 6 MAGA riot."

And these too:


Aaron747 wrote:
He’s just an overgrown frat boy at the end of the day.


johns624 wrote:
He always looked like a televangelist to me, with the perfect hair and everything.


CitizenJustin wrote:
CNN perfectly described him as belonging to the “buffoon” part of the GOP. Also, he has an extremely punchable face. He looks like he reeks of Axe body spray and is the type of guy to say “do you know who I am?”


In any workplace, Congress or wherever else, showing around nudes and spending work time trolling online or via text w/friends (unless his attorney can show this was only on weekends) to secure the next lay is grounds for being shown the door. Oh well.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:24 am

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In any workplace, Congress or wherever else, showing around nudes and spending work time trolling online or via text w/friends (unless his attorney can show this was only on weekends) to secure the next lay is grounds for being shown the door. Oh well.


Then the people can show him the door, like they did the other high profile politician who had his intern blow him under his desk. :scratchchin:

But nice straw man anyway.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:43 am

What has the GOP become, masters of projection ? They have been accusing Biden of groping children, and HRC of being in charges of pedophile ring run out of a pizzeria. I for one am tired about all this projection, Gaetz been showing fellow GOP members on congress floor the photos of the girls he dated. News flash, that's not dating that's raping them. Children cannot consent. What is wrong with the members of congress who looked at these photos? and said nothing. Republican doublespeak. To bad nobody in that party has any morals anymore.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:49 am

afcjets wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

In any workplace, Congress or wherever else, showing around nudes and spending work time trolling online or via text w/friends (unless his attorney can show this was only on weekends) to secure the next lay is grounds for being shown the door. Oh well.


Then the people can show him the door, like they did the other high profile politician who had his intern blow him under his desk. :scratchchin:

But nice straw man anyway.


Not a straw man within the context of:

- Calls for his removal from Congress
- Comments from other members of Congress about his inappropriate conduct on the House floor
- Disdain for his character and attitude, even amongst his own party rank and file. It was a GOP member who said 'Gaetz is a ticking time bomb'
- Current trafficking investigation
- History of criminality, the least of which daddy covered for him was DUI. Non prosecution for things virtually all other Floridians who don't have an influential father get prosecuted for is guilt, full stop.

But yeah, do your thing, go on defending a douche.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:55 pm

afcjets wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

In any workplace, Congress or wherever else, showing around nudes and spending work time trolling online or via text w/friends (unless his attorney can show this was only on weekends) to secure the next lay is grounds for being shown the door. Oh well.


Then the people can show him the door, like they did the other high profile politician who had his intern blow him under his desk. :scratchchin:

But nice straw man anyway.


There is a world of difference between consenting adults having relations and an adult and minor having relations. Besides, no one cared that Bill was having a consensual affair with an adult until Republicans decided they were the morality police.

And now, we have people on this thread defending him because "well, there are grey areas in each state" and "but this state and that state have different consent laws". The bottom line is Gaetz has been under investigation since the previous administration. Bill Barr launched the investigation. This is not a "gotcha" by Biden. Gaetz knew he messed up and tried to get a pardon from the former one tern president. He knew he messed up.

Republicans need to walk their talk or shut up about morality.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:37 pm

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What has the GOP become, masters of projection ? They have been accusing Biden of groping children, and HRC of being in charges of pedophile ring run out of a pizzeria. I for one am tired about all this projection


Who exactly is projecting? AFAIK Marjorie hasn't been accused of any of that.


DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Gaetz been showing fellow GOP members on congress floor the photos of the girls he dated. News flash, that's not dating that's raping them.


News flash, no it's not. Did you learn that from the #metoo movement? (which btw ended the moment Joe was accused) The law in every state fortunately disagrees with you.


DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Children cannot consent. What is wrong with the members of congress who looked at these photos? and said nothing. Republican doublespeak. To bad nobody in that party has any morals anymore.


Yes, we all know minors cannot consent. Exactly what members of Congress did Gaetz show child porn to and who is the 17 year old child?
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:21 pm

afcjets wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
What has the GOP become, masters of projection ? They have been accusing Biden of groping children, and HRC of being in charges of pedophile ring run out of a pizzeria. I for one am tired about all this projection


Who exactly is projecting? AFAIK Marjorie hasn't been accused of any of that.


DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Gaetz been showing fellow GOP members on congress floor the photos of the girls he dated. News flash, that's not dating that's raping them.


News flash, no it's not. Did you learn that from the #metoo movement? (which btw ended the moment Joe was accused) The law in every state fortunately disagrees with you.


DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Children cannot consent. What is wrong with the members of congress who looked at these photos? and said nothing. Republican doublespeak. To bad nobody in that party has any morals anymore.


Yes, we all know minors cannot consent. Exactly what members of Congress did Gaetz show child porn to and who is the 17 year old child?
Do you still consider Gaetz a good conservative with family values?
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:25 pm

I wonder if the Republicans want to keep him in office as long as possible to as it might not be until November and a special election to replace him and want as many of their party in House to keep their narrow minority of members.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:58 pm

johns624 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
What has the GOP become, masters of projection ? They have been accusing Biden of groping children, and HRC of being in charges of pedophile ring run out of a pizzeria. I for one am tired about all this projection


Who exactly is projecting? AFAIK Marjorie hasn't been accused of any of that.


DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Gaetz been showing fellow GOP members on congress floor the photos of the girls he dated. News flash, that's not dating that's raping them.


News flash, no it's not. Did you learn that from the #metoo movement? (which btw ended the moment Joe was accused) The law in every state fortunately disagrees with you.


DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Children cannot consent. What is wrong with the members of congress who looked at these photos? and said nothing. Republican doublespeak. To bad nobody in that party has any morals anymore.


Yes, we all know minors cannot consent. Exactly what members of Congress did Gaetz show child porn to and who is the 17 year old child?
Do you still consider Gaetz a good conservative with family values?


How would I know, it's too early in the investigation to tell.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:31 pm

afcjets wrote:
johns624 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Who exactly is projecting? AFAIK Marjorie hasn't been accused of any of that.




News flash, no it's not. Did you learn that from the #metoo movement? (which btw ended the moment Joe was accused) The law in every state fortunately disagrees with you.




Yes, we all know minors cannot consent. Exactly what members of Congress did Gaetz show child porn to and who is the 17 year old child?
Do you still consider Gaetz a good conservative with family values?


How would I know, it's too early in the investigation to tell.


Which is completely different from the reaction by Republicans over Cuomo and Franken and Clinton.....
 
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seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Do you still consider Gaetz a good conservative with family values?


How would I know, it's too early in the investigation to tell.


Which is completely different from the reaction by Republicans over Cuomo and Franken and Clinton.....


Has any victim come forward accusing Gaetz of anything?
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:06 am

17 year olds are considered minors so any information about the victim would be more closely held than if she was an adult. 18 is age of consent in Florida.
 
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afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

How would I know, it's too early in the investigation to tell.


Which is completely different from the reaction by Republicans over Cuomo and Franken and Clinton.....


Has any victim come forward accusing Gaetz of anything?


He brought up the Barr investigation on Tucker Carlson's show. There are also those around him who can corroborate his stories. Minors have special protections, so not even close to the same thing. Republicans keep saying how "woke" they are with this type of thing. Prove it. Walk your talk, Republicans. Do what you claim to be. Instead of apologizing and making excuses.
 
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Tiredofhumanity wrote:
afcjets wrote:
zkojq wrote:

Q: "Save our children from pedophiles!"

Also Q: "Wait not him he's MAGA. Save our children from liberal pedophiles only!"

It's the same playbook as ever from the far right: Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.


The latest article only ties Gaetz to 18 years old and only Greenberg to a 17 year old.

Also, while I haven't seen the documentary and know very little about Q, I believe their allegations are a bit more far fetched than having sex with a 17 year old (which is actually legal in several US states) and the alleged victims are much younger. Selective outrage indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-app.html


16 is actually legal in the vast majority of states.

16/17 is a gray area at best in this country at the national level. For example, NY state was sending 16 year olds to adult jails like Riker's for having sex with each other until fairly recently (juvenile court ended at 16, but age of consent is 17 in NY). This currently happens in Wisconsin except the AOC and "adult" court ages are increased by one.

Thing is - FL is one of the few states that "sort of" has it at 18. Being over 23 and in a position of power are two strikes against him if true.


Hold on. The age of consent in many US states is 16. BIG BUT. IN MOST STATES there are age differential laws. Meaning a 32yo can't bang a 16yo.

In addition, it's all illegal under federal law which is 18. And using the internet or internet fintech services to entice a minor is illegal under federal law....even if they're in the same state....because your internet traffic may cross state lines.
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:34 am

seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Which is completely different from the reaction by Republicans over Cuomo and Franken and Clinton.....


Has any victim come forward accusing Gaetz of anything?


He brought up the Barr investigation on Tucker Carlson's show. There are also those around him who can corroborate his stories. Minors have special protections, so not even close to the same thing. Republicans keep saying how "woke" they are with this type of thing. Prove it. Walk your talk, Republicans. Do what you claim to be. Instead of apologizing and making excuses.


So in other words, no.
 
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afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Has any victim come forward accusing Gaetz of anything?


He brought up the Barr investigation on Tucker Carlson's show. There are also those around him who can corroborate his stories. Minors have special protections, so not even close to the same thing. Republicans keep saying how "woke" they are with this type of thing. Prove it. Walk your talk, Republicans. Do what you claim to be. Instead of apologizing and making excuses.


So in other words, no.


Just do your thing - keep defending a douche.
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:54 am

I mean, it's true that perhaps not all the facts are in, but you don't ask for a blanket presidential pardon just for funsies. Just because he hasn't been convicted of anything in a court of law (yet?) doesn't mean he's not a sleaze.
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:55 am

It will be interesting to see if the FBI make a statement.

Also Gaetz or the guy he named could sue.
 
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Just do your thing - keep defending a douche.


He might or might not be a douche, the difference is I don't want him going to prison for it just because I hate his politics.
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:14 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:

Just do your thing - keep defending a douche.


He might or might not be a douche, the difference is I don't want him going to prison for it just because I hate his politics.


I don’t want him going to prison for being a douche. But if the House Ethics Committee and DOJ get the goods on him, he deserves that which he has so far been shielded from in his blessed life. His father can’t protect him from everything forever.
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:13 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Just do your thing - keep defending a douche.


He might or might not be a douche, the difference is I don't want him going to prison for it just because I hate his politics.


I don’t want him going to prison for being a douche. But if the House Ethics Committee and DOJ get the goods on him, he deserves that which he has so far been shielded from in his blessed life. His father can’t protect him from everything forever.


The fact that you want to call out anyone who defends him indicates otherwise.
 
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Aaron747 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

He might or might not be a douche, the difference is I don't want him going to prison for it just because I hate his politics.


I don’t want him going to prison for being a douche. But if the House Ethics Committee and DOJ get the goods on him, he deserves that which he has so far been shielded from in his blessed life. His father can’t protect him from everything forever.


The fact that you want to call out anyone who defends him indicates otherwise.


Duh, because he’s obviously a bad apple. If years of conducting HR investigations taught me anything, it’s that people who are acting appropriately rarely become subject to multiple investigations.
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:21 pm

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seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Has any victim come forward accusing Gaetz of anything?


He brought up the Barr investigation on Tucker Carlson's show. There are also those around him who can corroborate his stories. Minors have special protections, so not even close to the same thing. Republicans keep saying how "woke" they are with this type of thing. Prove it. Walk your talk, Republicans. Do what you claim to be. Instead of apologizing and making excuses.


So in other words, no.


Gaetz went to the former president asking for a blanket pardon. Is that what an innocent person would do? An investigation on Gaetz was launched by the previous administration. Exactly what happens to an innocent person.. When a Democrat is accused of something, all we have is he said/she said, but obviously the Democrat is guilty. With Gaetz, we have an ongoing investigation and him asking for a blanket pardon before the public knew about the investigation. Why should the accuser, a minor, come forward with that much evidence?

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck......
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:50 pm

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The fact that you want to call out anyone who defends him indicates otherwise.


Duh, because he’s obviously a bad apple. If years of conducting HR investigations taught me anything, it’s that people who are acting appropriately rarely become subject to multiple investigations.


That completely contradicts your previous post.
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:02 pm

afcjets wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

The fact that you want to call out anyone who defends him indicates otherwise.


Duh, because he’s obviously a bad apple. If years of conducting HR investigations taught me anything, it’s that people who are acting appropriately rarely become subject to multiple investigations.


That completely contradicts your previous post.


:rotfl: Please explain exactly how. My posts are nuanced enough to talk about smoke and fire while also saying nobody should be behind bars without proper evidence.
 
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The latest article only ties Gaetz to 18 years old and only Greenberg to a 17 year old.

Also, while I haven't seen the documentary and know very little about Q, I believe their allegations are a bit more far fetched than having sex with a 17 year old (which is actually legal in several US states) and the alleged victims are much younger. Selective outrage indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-app.html


16 is actually legal in the vast majority of states.

16/17 is a gray area at best in this country at the national level. For example, NY state was sending 16 year olds to adult jails like Riker's for having sex with each other until fairly recently (juvenile court ended at 16, but age of consent is 17 in NY). This currently happens in Wisconsin except the AOC and "adult" court ages are increased by one.

Thing is - FL is one of the few states that "sort of" has it at 18. Being over 23 and in a position of power are two strikes against him if true.


Hold on. The age of consent in many US states is 16. BIG BUT. IN MOST STATES there are age differential laws. Meaning a 32yo can't bang a 16yo.

In addition, it's all illegal under federal law which is 18. And using the internet or internet fintech services to entice a minor is illegal under federal law....even if they're in the same state....because your internet traffic may cross state lines.


Not sure I agree - I think you might be confusing an age gap provision with the fact that parents can still file restraining orders against a 30 something in most states where 16 is legal. The feds also leave the AOC to each state unless commercial gains are involved.

I'm from MA originally and cops didn't care about 16/17 year olds with 30-50 somethings at all, and this is supposed to be a "progressive" and "well educated" state :| .

I'm simply stating 17 is very much a gray area in this country legally, and seeing how the authorities in FL handled the Epstein trafficking operation, I have my doubts justice will be served for victims of either of these massive tools.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:31 am

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16 is actually legal in the vast majority of states.

16/17 is a gray area at best in this country at the national level. For example, NY state was sending 16 year olds to adult jails like Riker's for having sex with each other until fairly recently (juvenile court ended at 16, but age of consent is 17 in NY). This currently happens in Wisconsin except the AOC and "adult" court ages are increased by one.

Thing is - FL is one of the few states that "sort of" has it at 18. Being over 23 and in a position of power are two strikes against him if true.


Hold on. The age of consent in many US states is 16. BIG BUT. IN MOST STATES there are age differential laws. Meaning a 32yo can't bang a 16yo.

In addition, it's all illegal under federal law which is 18. And using the internet or internet fintech services to entice a minor is illegal under federal law....even if they're in the same state....because your internet traffic may cross state lines.


Not sure I agree - I think you might be confusing an age gap provision with the fact that parents can still file restraining orders against a 30 something in most states where 16 is legal. The feds also leave the AOC to each state unless commercial gains are involved.

I'm from MA originally and cops didn't care about 16/17 year olds with 30-50 somethings at all, and this is supposed to be a "progressive" and "well educated" state :| .

I'm simply stating 17 is very much a gray area in this country legally, and seeing how the authorities in FL handled the Epstein trafficking operation, I have my doubts justice will be served for victims of either of these massive tools.


Well I agree it is a gray area legally. I'm not an attorney. Just because cops don't care about certain crimes doesn't make them legal, often cops choose when and how to enforce different laws. Aren't part of the allegations about Venmo payments to minors for sex? That's under Federal purview.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:55 am

That would be illegal here in France, where the age of consent is 15 and nobody cares what 15yo do, and under that (talking about 14yo not 10) unless someone complains nobody cares either.

Also prostitution isn't illegal here (it's not exactly legal anymore, Johns risk a fine and a telephone call to their wife, and women don't risk anything).
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:17 pm

And now this is going to drag on since Gaetz hired MAGA attornies

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/matt-ga ... ation.html

So, he asked for a blanket pardon in the early days of the investigation, showed nudes to others on the floor of the House, sent money via Venmo to women he allegedly was with.... I suppose his defense would be "but I didn't know" or "no reasonable person would do this" or some completely nonsensical thing.

Age of consent where the alleged crime happened is what matters. Not age of consent two states over. It especially matters if he took a minor across state lines. The way I understand consent laws, if he had gone to a state where the age of consent is 15 and had consensual relations with a 16 year old and not crossed state lines at all, fine. Creepy, but fine. But, he allegedly crossed state lines with a minor.
 
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And now this is going to drag on since Gaetz hired MAGA attornies

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/matt-ga ... ation.html

So, he asked for a blanket pardon in the early days of the investigation, showed nudes to others on the floor of the House, sent money via Venmo to women he allegedly was with.... I suppose his defense would be "but I didn't know" or "no reasonable person would do this" or some completely nonsensical thing.

Age of consent where the alleged crime happened is what matters. Not age of consent two states over. It especially matters if he took a minor across state lines. The way I understand consent laws, if he had gone to a state where the age of consent is 15 and had consensual relations with a 16 year old and not crossed state lines at all, fine. Creepy, but fine. But, he allegedly crossed state lines with a minor.


He has a right to counsel last I checked. Not sure what MAGA lawyers mean. If the rest of your post has any merit than maybe we will see charges soon then.
 
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And now this is going to drag on since Gaetz hired MAGA attornies

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/matt-ga ... ation.html

So, he asked for a blanket pardon in the early days of the investigation, showed nudes to others on the floor of the House, sent money via Venmo to women he allegedly was with.... I suppose his defense would be "but I didn't know" or "no reasonable person would do this" or some completely nonsensical thing.

Age of consent where the alleged crime happened is what matters. Not age of consent two states over. It especially matters if he took a minor across state lines. The way I understand consent laws, if he had gone to a state where the age of consent is 15 and had consensual relations with a 16 year old and not crossed state lines at all, fine. Creepy, but fine. But, he allegedly crossed state lines with a minor.


He has a right to counsel last I checked. Not sure what MAGA lawyers mean. If the rest of your post has any merit than maybe we will see charges soon then.


He and his fan boys keep insisting he is innocent but he has hired lawyers from the MAGA administration. If he is innocent, he would not have been under investigation or asking for a blanket pardon in the first place.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:25 pm

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Duh, because he’s obviously a bad apple. If years of conducting HR investigations taught me anything, it’s that people who are acting appropriately rarely become subject to multiple investigations.


That completely contradicts your previous post.


:rotfl: Please explain exactly how. My posts are nuanced enough to talk about smoke and fire while also saying nobody should be behind bars without proper evidence.


Which is precisely why I chose the word "indicates", how's that for nuance? ;)
 
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

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The latest article only ties Gaetz to 18 years old and only Greenberg to a 17 year old.

Also, while I haven't seen the documentary and know very little about Q, I believe their allegations are a bit more far fetched than having sex with a 17 year old (which is actually legal in several US states) and the alleged victims are much younger. Selective outrage indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-app.html


A bit far fetched? That's a bit of an understatement. The whole Q thing is right up there with George Bush planed and orchestrated 9/11 and Jews control the world.
 
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:48 pm

Gaetz's buddy is making a plea deal for some of his crimes

https://www.businessinsider.com/joel-gr ... nyt-2021-4

Greenberg is the one who allegedly took the Venmo payment to the women. Making a plea deal *COULD* mean he is willing to testify against Gaetz. Please note that I said *COULD*.
 
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:31 pm

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Gaetz's buddy is making a plea deal for some of his crimes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/joel-gr ... nyt-2021-4
Greenberg is the one who allegedly took the Venmo payment to the women. Making a plea deal *COULD* mean he is willing to testify against Gaetz. Please note that I said *COULD*.


If I were a betting man - and I am a a betting man - I would wager that agreeing to testify would be apart of the plea deal.

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