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COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:02 pm

Welcome to the COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021. Please continue your discussion and to post your news below.

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Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:19 pm

Europe case counts.

Hopefully, lock-down measures effects kick in.

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Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:38 pm

Pfizer/BNT seem to be killing it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pf ... n-n1262710

*Vaccine efficacy does not wane after six months (I predict it will last years).

*Vaccine is extremely effective in 12-15 age group with this age group producing almost twice the antibody titers of those 16 and over with measured efficacy of 100% (which obviously won't be true in the real world, but will be no less effective than the observed 94-96% in adult populations).

*Limited data in US/SA clinical trials and observational data from Israel show that the vaccine is equally effective against B.1.1.7 and B.1.351.

At this point, I think that there should be international cooperation to boost production of the mRNA vaccines and get these rolled out around the world. While I think that less-effective products like the whole-virus inactivated vaccines and the AZ/J&J adenovirus-vectored vaccines are acceptable stopgaps while mRNA production is increased, I think that mRNA is the only way that we are going to put this permanently to rest. I do have some hope for a prime-boost J&J regimen with a 60 day minimum interval between dose 1 and 2 (J&J (is doing 57 days, which is close enough).

I also hope that the silver lining in the rising case rates in Europe is that it expedites the readout of the CureVac candidate. I am optimistic about this candidate, but I am a bit nervous about their choice to use unmodified uracil. I hope that the various mRNA manufacturers will be willing to cooperate and mix the best of each of their technologies into new products. For example, if the Pfizer/BNT or Moderna purine-modified mRNAs work better, but CureVac's lipids allow for easier storage and distribution, I really hope that they will cooperate to combine the best of these two approaches.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:38 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Europe case counts.

Hopefully, lock-down measures effects kick in.

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If someone wants to create their own charts, go to add county:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... SR~CHL~ARE

I picked those countries as Chile and EU do not yet seem to be benefitting from vaccines.

US and UAE are in a middle ground

Israel and UK seem to be really benefitting from vaccines.

This sort of correlates with how many had first dose, except uae has a discount and Chile fell out of family.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... +Union~ARE

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Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:46 pm

An announced (many think planned) lockdown theatre in Ontario announced yesterday for 28 days.

While ICU's are stressed with younger patients and warrants some restrictions the government has targeted the same 3 industries every time which has shown repeatedly to not be primary sources of spread. Those industries being bars/restaurants, gyms and salons all which have spent probably several tens of millions of dollars in protocols to protect their patrons. It was announced on March 22nd that outdoor dining could resume and 10 days later that has been revoked. Those business have ordered food, alcohol, hired back staff etc.

All while schools remain open (as they probably should) and the main source of spread is essential businesses like warehouses, grocery stores, manufacturing, construction etc. All remain open in these next 28 days, if its 28 days. I predict that this will last until Victoria day which is May 24th.

On a personal level in the last year I have a lot of contempt and loathing for the baby boomers, not individual people from that generation but the generation as a whole. They are calling the shots in this pandemic and are largely taking actions that serve their interests and not those of the younger generations. Every time the mayor of Toronto opens his mouth I want to punch his rich face out. And don't get me stated on Mr. Woke Justin Trudeau. All of these politicians fake saying we are all in this together but in reality they aren't really hurting. I am fortunate that I have been able to keep my job but the mental health toll has been harsh on myself. I can't see my friends as often as a I would, I can't really date. You realize that that a lot of that stuff makes the challenges of life easier to deal with and now all it seems is work and sleep which is getting harder and harder every day this drags on.

People often forget that the younger people are the ones who keep food on the shelf and ensure that their amazon deliveries can be there within the hour. When we get sick we get called out for being reckless when we are out in society holding a lot of it together and we are the ones especially in Canada who need the vaccine next.

The comfortable 65 year old that can live pretty at home and is either retired or working from home might be at a higher risk of dying as an individual but not as a collective and they can stay home. Many of us can't.
 
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Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:20 pm

lightsaber wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Europe case counts.

Hopefully, lock-down measures effects kick in.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5yUL5UYAI ... ame=medium

If someone wants to create their own charts, go to add county:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... SR~CHL~ARE

I picked those countries as Chile and EU do not yet seem to be benefitting from vaccines.

US and UAE are in a middle ground

Israel and UK seem to be really benefitting from vaccines.

This sort of correlates with how many had first dose, except uae has a discount and Chile fell out of family.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... +Union~ARE

Lightsaber

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BO630
Chile is now further tightening their lockdown as hospital become packed
 
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:57 pm

COVID deaths reach record lows in the US
https://www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-u ... arch-2020/
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:43 am

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:wideeyed: Michigan is going vertical

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We are trying to match COVID-19 positivity rate to GFC 2008 unemployment rate.
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:47 pm

Re: Michigan, vaccine hesitancy in the African American community is a problem.
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:25 pm

CDC: 78% of hospitalized COVID patients were obese
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-c ... HMUtk7bdpk
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:00 pm

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Re: Michigan, vaccine hesitancy in the African American community is a problem.


Can you back that up? I've seen a lot of African-American patients clamoring for the vaccine. I think that a lot of the hesitancy got wiped out when they saw wealthy whites trying to angle their way into getting doses early.
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:11 pm

DocLightning wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Re: Michigan, vaccine hesitancy in the African American community is a problem.


Can you back that up? I've seen a lot of African-American patients clamoring for the vaccine. I think that a lot of the hesitancy got wiped out when they saw wealthy whites trying to angle their way into getting doses early.

Vaccine hesitancy as of Feb was ~10% higher in the African American community compared to whites or latinos.
https://www.consumerreports.org/vaccina ... americans/
Data reflected in NFID poll: https://www.nfid.org/national-survey-bl ... -vaccines/
 
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Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:33 pm

KFTG wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Re: Michigan, vaccine hesitancy in the African American community is a problem.


Can you back that up? I've seen a lot of African-American patients clamoring for the vaccine. I think that a lot of the hesitancy got wiped out when they saw wealthy whites trying to angle their way into getting doses early.

Vaccine hesitancy as of Feb was ~10% higher in the African American community compared to whites or latinos.
https://www.consumerreports.org/vaccina ... americans/
Data reflected in NFID poll: https://www.nfid.org/national-survey-bl ... -vaccines/


Sorry, I interpreted you as saying that the African-American community in Michigan has higher hesitancy than in other parts of the country. That doesn't seem to be what you're saying.

That community had higher hesitancy previously, but I see it coming down now as more and more people have been vaccinated.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:51 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
:wideeyed: Michigan is going vertical

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We are trying to match COVID-19 positivity rate to GFC 2008 unemployment rate.


There is a correlation there, the cases are probably in manufacturing, logistics, warehouses etc. something where working from home is impossible, social distancing is hard and they are all essential are getting hit and those people lost jobs in 2008 as well.

I live next door in Ontario and the outbreaks are the B1.1.7 variant. Much of the province has similar businesses as in Michigan they are happening in essential workplaces who live in multi-family households who can't isolate and usually don't have paid time off. These people aren't elderly and their turn hasn't come for vaccination as of yet. Michigan is probably ahead of Canada in this respect of vaccinations but if you look at the economy of Michigan vs say NY and NJ much more of what the economies of NY and NJ can be done from home than in Michigan.

With a new stay at home being announced today order hopefully the Ontario government pivots and focuses vaccines on these essential workers and drops doing entirely in reverse order of age. Long term care homes have been vaccinated and so has hospital staff so the focus needs to be on these groups who have to work to keep society moving and the 65 year old who is retired or the 50 year old manager who can work from home need to be placed back in the line.
 
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:28 pm

StarAC17 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
:wideeyed: Michigan is going vertical

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyOwAH-U4AI ... =4096x4096


We are trying to match COVID-19 positivity rate to GFC 2008 unemployment rate.


There is a correlation there, the cases are probably in manufacturing, logistics, warehouses etc. something where working from home is impossible, social distancing is hard and they are all essential are getting hit and those people lost jobs in 2008 as well.

I live next door in Ontario and the outbreaks are the B1.1.7 variant. Much of the province has similar businesses as in Michigan they are happening in essential workplaces who live in multi-family households who can't isolate and usually don't have paid time off. These people aren't elderly and their turn hasn't come for vaccination as of yet. Michigan is probably ahead of Canada in this respect of vaccinations but if you look at the economy of Michigan vs say NY and NJ much more of what the economies of NY and NJ can be done from home than in Michigan.

With a new stay at home being announced today order hopefully the Ontario government pivots and focuses vaccines on these essential workers and drops doing entirely in reverse order of age. Long term care homes have been vaccinated and so has hospital staff so the focus needs to be on these groups who have to work to keep society moving and the 65 year old who is retired or the 50 year old manager who can work from home need to be placed back in the line.


Universities were always the hot spots. Dine-in and sports are latest culprits. Vaccination is going well, but non-pharma mitigations are out the window.

Fauci and Walensky always find new ways to motivate people the wrong way. Just to encourage vaccination, they are talking down the importance of non-pharma mitigations, now both pro and anti-vaxxers are skipping masks, physical distancing and gathering. Every one standardized on fatigue excuse.

Relatively there is much less manufacturing in Michigan, most of it moved to Mexico or China.
 
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:50 am

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/7edaf ... 06e6ccba03
Japan: 60% tested case in Kanagawa feature E484K mutation
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:44 pm

Well now MI Governor came to senses and suggesting to suspend dine-in and in-seat teaching for schools, both restaurants and school districts refuse to heed her suggestion.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/g ... -timeline/

And feds refused to give additional vaccine doses for hot stops. Michigan has 7 out of 10 hot spots in the country.
https://www.wilx.com/2021/04/08/michiga ... vid-surge/

School districts intentionally making it difficult to pick virtual learning for 2021-22 by removing many subjects, and also suggesting maintaining 3-ft physical distance may not be possible, in the class rooms.
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:25 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
StarAC17 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

We are trying to match COVID-19 positivity rate to GFC 2008 unemployment rate.


There is a correlation there, the cases are probably in manufacturing, logistics, warehouses etc. something where working from home is impossible, social distancing is hard and they are all essential are getting hit and those people lost jobs in 2008 as well.

I live next door in Ontario and the outbreaks are the B1.1.7 variant. Much of the province has similar businesses as in Michigan they are happening in essential workplaces who live in multi-family households who can't isolate and usually don't have paid time off. These people aren't elderly and their turn hasn't come for vaccination as of yet. Michigan is probably ahead of Canada in this respect of vaccinations but if you look at the economy of Michigan vs say NY and NJ much more of what the economies of NY and NJ can be done from home than in Michigan.

With a new stay at home being announced today order hopefully the Ontario government pivots and focuses vaccines on these essential workers and drops doing entirely in reverse order of age. Long term care homes have been vaccinated and so has hospital staff so the focus needs to be on these groups who have to work to keep society moving and the 65 year old who is retired or the 50 year old manager who can work from home need to be placed back in the line.


Universities were always the hot spots. Dine-in and sports are latest culprits. Vaccination is going well, but non-pharma mitigations are out the window.

Fauci and Walensky always find new ways to motivate people the wrong way. Just to encourage vaccination, they are talking down the importance of non-pharma mitigations, now both pro and anti-vaxxers are skipping masks, physical distancing and gathering. Every one standardized on fatigue excuse.

Relatively there is much less manufacturing in Michigan, most of it moved to Mexico or China.

I must agree, the new communication is... poor and because of prior communication, it is creating issues.

Opening up will spike cases, just with a substantial time lag. Now, it also takes time for vaccines to work their magic. So the question is, will enough people be vaccinated timely to matter or not? My bet is on one last big spike in the USA. For most of the world, they will experience the current spike (or 4th wave) and I would predict (just my opinion) another two in 2021. :cry2:

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Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:18 am

Regeneron's "COVID pill" apparently 81% effective
https://news.yahoo.com/regenerons-covid ... 35414.html
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:20 am

lightsaber wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
StarAC17 wrote:

There is a correlation there, the cases are probably in manufacturing, logistics, warehouses etc. something where working from home is impossible, social distancing is hard and they are all essential are getting hit and those people lost jobs in 2008 as well.

I live next door in Ontario and the outbreaks are the B1.1.7 variant. Much of the province has similar businesses as in Michigan they are happening in essential workplaces who live in multi-family households who can't isolate and usually don't have paid time off. These people aren't elderly and their turn hasn't come for vaccination as of yet. Michigan is probably ahead of Canada in this respect of vaccinations but if you look at the economy of Michigan vs say NY and NJ much more of what the economies of NY and NJ can be done from home than in Michigan.

With a new stay at home being announced today order hopefully the Ontario government pivots and focuses vaccines on these essential workers and drops doing entirely in reverse order of age. Long term care homes have been vaccinated and so has hospital staff so the focus needs to be on these groups who have to work to keep society moving and the 65 year old who is retired or the 50 year old manager who can work from home need to be placed back in the line.


Universities were always the hot spots. Dine-in and sports are latest culprits. Vaccination is going well, but non-pharma mitigations are out the window.

Fauci and Walensky always find new ways to motivate people the wrong way. Just to encourage vaccination, they are talking down the importance of non-pharma mitigations, now both pro and anti-vaxxers are skipping masks, physical distancing and gathering. Every one standardized on fatigue excuse.

Relatively there is much less manufacturing in Michigan, most of it moved to Mexico or China.

I must agree, the new communication is... poor and because of prior communication, it is creating issues.

Opening up will spike cases, just with a substantial time lag. Now, it also takes time for vaccines to work their magic. So the question is, will enough people be vaccinated timely to matter or not? My bet is on one last big spike in the USA. For most of the world, they will experience the current spike (or 4th wave) and I would predict (just my opinion) another two in 2021. :cry2:

Lightsaber


LANCET published a study on vaccination effectiveness with/without non-pharma mitigations.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(21)00143-2/fulltext
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:44 am

lightsaber wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
StarAC17 wrote:

There is a correlation there, the cases are probably in manufacturing, logistics, warehouses etc. something where working from home is impossible, social distancing is hard and they are all essential are getting hit and those people lost jobs in 2008 as well.

I live next door in Ontario and the outbreaks are the B1.1.7 variant. Much of the province has similar businesses as in Michigan they are happening in essential workplaces who live in multi-family households who can't isolate and usually don't have paid time off. These people aren't elderly and their turn hasn't come for vaccination as of yet. Michigan is probably ahead of Canada in this respect of vaccinations but if you look at the economy of Michigan vs say NY and NJ much more of what the economies of NY and NJ can be done from home than in Michigan.

With a new stay at home being announced today order hopefully the Ontario government pivots and focuses vaccines on these essential workers and drops doing entirely in reverse order of age. Long term care homes have been vaccinated and so has hospital staff so the focus needs to be on these groups who have to work to keep society moving and the 65 year old who is retired or the 50 year old manager who can work from home need to be placed back in the line.


Universities were always the hot spots. Dine-in and sports are latest culprits. Vaccination is going well, but non-pharma mitigations are out the window.

Fauci and Walensky always find new ways to motivate people the wrong way. Just to encourage vaccination, they are talking down the importance of non-pharma mitigations, now both pro and anti-vaxxers are skipping masks, physical distancing and gathering. Every one standardized on fatigue excuse.

Relatively there is much less manufacturing in Michigan, most of it moved to Mexico or China.

I must agree, the new communication is... poor and because of prior communication, it is creating issues.

Opening up will spike cases, just with a substantial time lag. Now, it also takes time for vaccines to work their magic. So the question is, will enough people be vaccinated timely to matter or not? My bet is on one last big spike in the USA. For most of the world, they will experience the current spike (or 4th wave) and I would predict (just my opinion) another two in 2021. :cry2:

Lightsaber


We only hope for an early vaccination. But do not discount the role of anti-vaccines and those who do not believe in the existence of COVID in the spread of infection. So, mentally, you need to be prepared for the new waves of COVID, until the maximum number of people are vaccinated and that percentage of idiots simply does not affect public safety.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:28 pm

Didn't take too long for CDC to flip and throw in the towel.

Asking Michigan to start shutting things down.
Dr. Rochelle Walensky says vaccines aren’t quick answer to current COVID situation


Sorry Doctor, Too Late. We are going all in, Full speed ahead or any other similar expressions applicable.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/loc ... ings-down/
 
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:57 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56730037

13.:27 Turkey to tighten restrictions.

No details yet.
 
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:20 pm

lightsaber wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
StarAC17 wrote:

There is a correlation there, the cases are probably in manufacturing, logistics, warehouses etc. something where working from home is impossible, social distancing is hard and they are all essential are getting hit and those people lost jobs in 2008 as well.

I live next door in Ontario and the outbreaks are the B1.1.7 variant. Much of the province has similar businesses as in Michigan they are happening in essential workplaces who live in multi-family households who can't isolate and usually don't have paid time off. These people aren't elderly and their turn hasn't come for vaccination as of yet. Michigan is probably ahead of Canada in this respect of vaccinations but if you look at the economy of Michigan vs say NY and NJ much more of what the economies of NY and NJ can be done from home than in Michigan.

With a new stay at home being announced today order hopefully the Ontario government pivots and focuses vaccines on these essential workers and drops doing entirely in reverse order of age. Long term care homes have been vaccinated and so has hospital staff so the focus needs to be on these groups who have to work to keep society moving and the 65 year old who is retired or the 50 year old manager who can work from home need to be placed back in the line.


Universities were always the hot spots. Dine-in and sports are latest culprits. Vaccination is going well, but non-pharma mitigations are out the window.

Fauci and Walensky always find new ways to motivate people the wrong way. Just to encourage vaccination, they are talking down the importance of non-pharma mitigations, now both pro and anti-vaxxers are skipping masks, physical distancing and gathering. Every one standardized on fatigue excuse.

Relatively there is much less manufacturing in Michigan, most of it moved to Mexico or China.

I must agree, the new communication is... poor and because of prior communication, it is creating issues.

Opening up will spike cases, just with a substantial time lag. Now, it also takes time for vaccines to work their magic. So the question is, will enough people be vaccinated timely to matter or not? My bet is on one last big spike in the USA. For most of the world, they will experience the current spike (or 4th wave) and I would predict (just my opinion) another two in 2021. :cry2:

Lightsaber


There will be waves from this for years, its going to become endemic.

What matters at the end of the day is how many people are turning up in ICU's and dying who otherwise wouldn't have. In Michigan and just across the lake in Ontario, the B1.1.7 is running rampant. While not causing a high amount of death (basically because anyone over 60 has been vaccinated as well as all long term care homes) it is straining the ICU's to the point that in Ontario 300 or so people are on ventilators. This is not something that probably should have been done as you have mentioned in your experience and I have heard Chris Cuomo say it also from his experience with Covid.

If you get Covid you need to keep moving no matter how much it hurts as if you let your lungs rest then the virus runs rampant to the lungs. This is conjectural but seems to be the biggest difference on cases where Covid is severe is this very thing.

Vaccines help this immensely but we will have more waves of this for years and perhaps forever. What does matter is if the risk is acceptable to no disrupt everyday life as it has, one of the biggest failures in communication is that full eradication is possible. It could be but how to we live a life where risk is acceptable an not nonexistent.

Thankfully the effectiveness of the vaccines prevent essentially 100% hospitalization and death, regardless of who makes it. This means that this thing is going to likely cause the common cold in the next few years.

KFTG wrote:
Regeneron's "COVID pill" apparently 81% effective
https://news.yahoo.com/regenerons-covid ... 35414.html


Keep the treatments coming.
They haven't got the same level of attention but they are just as if not more important than vaccines. If you happen to get this, how to we keep you out of the hospital and alive.
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:34 am

Is it true that long term neurological covid symptoms are more likely to happen in people who have done exercise during their initial coronavirus infection period?
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:47 am

WHO finally recommends shutdown of live animal markets:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-77038914
 
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WHO finally recommends shutdown of live animal markets:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-77038914

Wild animal market.
 
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Tiredofhumanity wrote:
WHO finally recommends shutdown of live animal markets:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-77038914

Wild animal market.


At least it's a step in the right direction. Even placing domesticated or farmed animals in close quarters within a city of millions is very dangerous, and I also wonder about regulations on factory farms common in the west.

Previously the WHO wasn't touching these things due to the impact on the livelihoods on the traders of this crap - maybe now they've realized that billions of more people have seen their livelihoods blown away within the span of a few months likely due to these actions. Not to mention the death toll... :banghead:
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:05 am

At this point in the match, what's the point of travel bans between countries, particularly those that have similar epidemiologic profiles? Why is travel restricted between European countries? Why is travel banned between Asian countries that have low virus rates? Why is the US-Canadian border closed? Why still the restrictions in the southern Cone countries? I can understand if a new strain is detected to target a specific country (although I tend to believe it's just nothing but PR), but really, the virus is now literally everywhere and within the areas mentioned there are not large differences in the epidemic status, so why still have these draconian measures? Travel bans were supposed to keep something OUT. To keep on with them now is like amputating the foot after the infection spread to the whole leg. Useless now. That is not to say travel should be unlimited, some restrictions should be placed in order to control crowd size and human density, but why keep hotels and airlines to continue to destroy millions of jobs? And furthermore, the vulnerable populations should soon be fully vaccinated in a lot of areas. That was the whole point originally anyways.
 
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Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:06 am

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At this point in the match, what's the point of travel bans between countries, particularly those that have similar epidemiologic profiles? Why is travel restricted between European countries? Why is travel banned between Asian countries that have low virus rates? Why is the US-Canadian border closed? Why still the restrictions in the southern Cone countries? I can understand if a new strain is detected to target a specific country (although I tend to believe it's just nothing but PR), but really, the virus is now literally everywhere and within the areas mentioned there are not large differences in the epidemic status, so why still have these draconian measures? Travel bans were supposed to keep something OUT. To keep on with them now is like amputating the foot after the infection spread to the whole leg. Useless now. That is not to say travel should be unlimited, some restrictions should be placed in order to control crowd size and human density, but why keep hotels and airlines to continue to destroy millions of jobs? And furthermore, the vulnerable populations should soon be fully vaccinated in a lot of areas. That was the whole point originally anyways.

Reducing the spread of mutation and reducing possible interaction between mutation that form new clusters, and in low case count countries, reducing the chance of starting a new wave since traveling especially those that are for leisure often involve many high risk activities that might help spread of virus
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:50 am

Another study by LANCET supporting airborne transmission of COVID-19.

CDC should stop social engineering, get back to science and declare it as an airborne disease and appropriate recommendations. Wrong diagnose can never result in right cure.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 40-6736(21)00869-2/fulltext
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:54 am

 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:36 pm

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Derico wrote:
At this point in the match, what's the point of travel bans between countries, particularly those that have similar epidemiologic profiles? Why is travel restricted between European countries? Why is travel banned between Asian countries that have low virus rates? Why is the US-Canadian border closed? Why still the restrictions in the southern Cone countries? I can understand if a new strain is detected to target a specific country (although I tend to believe it's just nothing but PR), but really, the virus is now literally everywhere and within the areas mentioned there are not large differences in the epidemic status, so why still have these draconian measures? Travel bans were supposed to keep something OUT. To keep on with them now is like amputating the foot after the infection spread to the whole leg. Useless now. That is not to say travel should be unlimited, some restrictions should be placed in order to control crowd size and human density, but why keep hotels and airlines to continue to destroy millions of jobs? And furthermore, the vulnerable populations should soon be fully vaccinated in a lot of areas. That was the whole point originally anyways.

Reducing the spread of mutation and reducing possible interaction between mutation that form new clusters, and in low case count countries, reducing the chance of starting a new wave since traveling especially those that are for leisure often involve many high risk activities that might help spread of virus

Agreed. The goal is slow spread of B.1.427/429, B.1.526, P.1, and B.1.617 while dealing with B.1.1.7.

Those are the ones where prior exposure produces less immunity. The hope is to vaccinate enough to allow a return to normal travel.

Getting enough vaccinated requires more production and a children's vaccine.

Lightsaber
 
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Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:39 pm

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Is it true that long term neurological covid symptoms are more likely to happen in people who have done exercise during their initial coronavirus infection period?

My doctors noted worse outcomes in individuals who are too sedentary. I don't have links, just their advice to excercise while I had Covid19.

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Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:42 pm

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We will need to reevaluate in the next few weeks. You will notice in those graphs that they are not finalized yet.
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:46 pm

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Well now MI Governor came to senses and suggesting to suspend dine-in and in-seat teaching for schools, both restaurants and school districts refuse to heed her suggestion.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/g ... -timeline/

And feds refused to give additional vaccine doses for hot stops. Michigan has 7 out of 10 hot spots in the country.
https://www.wilx.com/2021/04/08/michiga ... vid-surge/


It's a problem. A lockdown isn't an option given the political and regulatory environment in MI. Speeding vaccines is, but frankly, it won't make much of a difference given the supply glut that is going to happen everywhere now. And even if it were a viable option, it raises the moral hazard that more states will choose to recklessly reopen because they can always ask for a vaccine surge.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:48 am

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dtw2hyd wrote:
Well now MI Governor came to senses and suggesting to suspend dine-in and in-seat teaching for schools, both restaurants and school districts refuse to heed her suggestion.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/g ... -timeline/

And feds refused to give additional vaccine doses for hot stops. Michigan has 7 out of 10 hot spots in the country.
https://www.wilx.com/2021/04/08/michiga ... vid-surge/


It's a problem. A lockdown isn't an option given the political and regulatory environment in MI. Speeding vaccines is, but frankly, it won't make much of a difference given the supply glut that is going to happen everywhere now. And even if it were a viable option, it raises the moral hazard that more states will choose to recklessly reopen because they can always ask for a vaccine surge.


While lock down fatigue is real, people got used whatever measures were in place, incremental relaxation would have been better approach.

Now at every level this is flip-flop approach. One example. CDC-Governor-HHS-County-School District-Students. If first five are independently and randomly changing their positions, what would be the impact on students. No one seems to worry.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:22 pm

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c933103 wrote:
Derico wrote:
At this point in the match, what's the point of travel bans between countries, particularly those that have similar epidemiologic profiles? Why is travel restricted between European countries? Why is travel banned between Asian countries that have low virus rates? Why is the US-Canadian border closed? Why still the restrictions in the southern Cone countries? I can understand if a new strain is detected to target a specific country (although I tend to believe it's just nothing but PR), but really, the virus is now literally everywhere and within the areas mentioned there are not large differences in the epidemic status, so why still have these draconian measures? Travel bans were supposed to keep something OUT. To keep on with them now is like amputating the foot after the infection spread to the whole leg. Useless now. That is not to say travel should be unlimited, some restrictions should be placed in order to control crowd size and human density, but why keep hotels and airlines to continue to destroy millions of jobs? And furthermore, the vulnerable populations should soon be fully vaccinated in a lot of areas. That was the whole point originally anyways.

Reducing the spread of mutation and reducing possible interaction between mutation that form new clusters, and in low case count countries, reducing the chance of starting a new wave since traveling especially those that are for leisure often involve many high risk activities that might help spread of virus

Agreed. The goal is slow spread of B.1.427/429, B.1.526, P.1, and B.1.617 while dealing with B.1.1.7.

Those are the ones where prior exposure produces less immunity. The hope is to vaccinate enough to allow a return to normal travel.

Getting enough vaccinated requires more production and a children's vaccine.

Lightsaber


Guys, with all due respect. The genie is long out of the bottle, and you are not getting it back in. Look at what you guys are saying: "We need to stop B.1427, and B.1.249, and B 1.526, and P.1 and B.1617, while dealing... ". This of course does not even deal with the rumored New York, India, Buenos Aires, Belarus rumored variants. And for every detected 'mutant' I bet there are 5 more unaccounted for. Only a couple of months ago we were only talking about 1 variant (UK). In a few months there will be 30 guaranteed and the media will stop counting them.

Game up, guys. I have clearly now switched more towards the "economic" and "mental health side". People should limit exposure, older people should be protected, and critical workers taken care of, mass gatherings should still be restricted, but it is absurd to think we can keep this bottled. The only thing bottled is the world economy and nerves at this point. I don't advocate free-willy travel. The vaccines have failed either in being safe, or effective since now I hear people getting reinfected all over the place. The key question is, are vaccinated people who are catching "breakthrough" variants getting severely ill. Hopefully not.

I don't advocate unrestricted travel and other activities that are of social nature, but this situation is untenable beyond 90 to 120. People will not tolerate another winter locked, and you are already seeing popular revolts all over the place.

Sometimes you have to just admit, humans are not that powerful or smart, really.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:22 pm

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Sometimes you have to just admit, humans are not that powerful or smart, really.


Who would have thought multi-cell intelligent organism is not smart enough to beat single cell organism which randomly mutates while replicating.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:23 pm

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The vaccines have failed either in being safe, or effective since now I hear people getting reinfected all over the place. The key question is, are vaccinated people who are catching "breakthrough" variants getting severely ill. Hopefully not.


The mRNA vaccines remain very safe and effective. Of course, there are going to be a few breakthrough infections. In the US, 0.008% of vaccinated people have had breakthrough infections. This does not imply 99.992% efficacy, but it does hold up to a greater than 90% efficacy for both mRNA vaccines in real-world conditions. This is more effective than the mumps vaccine and on-par with vaccines such as measles and smallpox.

The issue is supply.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:24 pm

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lightsaber wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Reducing the spread of mutation and reducing possible interaction between mutation that form new clusters, and in low case count countries, reducing the chance of starting a new wave since traveling especially those that are for leisure often involve many high risk activities that might help spread of virus

Agreed. The goal is slow spread of B.1.427/429, B.1.526, P.1, and B.1.617 while dealing with B.1.1.7.

Those are the ones where prior exposure produces less immunity. The hope is to vaccinate enough to allow a return to normal travel.

Getting enough vaccinated requires more production and a children's vaccine.

Lightsaber


Guys, with all due respect. The genie is long out of the bottle, and you are not getting it back in. Look at what you guys are saying: "We need to stop B.1427, and B.1.249, and B 1.526, and P.1 and B.1617, while dealing... ". This of course does not even deal with the rumored New York, India, Buenos Aires, Belarus rumored variants. And for every detected 'mutant' I bet there are 5 more unaccounted for. Only a couple of months ago we were only talking about 1 variant (UK). In a few months there will be 30 guaranteed and the media will stop counting them.

Game up, guys. I have clearly now switched more towards the "economic" and "mental health side". People should limit exposure, older people should be protected, and critical workers taken care of, mass gatherings should still be restricted, but it is absurd to think we can keep this bottled. The only thing bottled is the world economy and nerves at this point. I don't advocate free-willy travel. The vaccines have failed either in being safe, or effective since now I hear people getting reinfected all over the place. The key question is, are vaccinated people who are catching "breakthrough" variants getting severely ill. Hopefully not.

I don't advocate unrestricted travel and other activities that are of social nature, but this situation is untenable beyond 90 to 120. People will not tolerate another winter locked, and you are already seeing popular revolts all over the place.

Sometimes you have to just admit, humans are not that powerful or smart, really.


I agree with the sentiment except the part where you say the vaccine doesn't work.

It does. 'Breakthrough' infections were always going to happen. People will also die of Covid even after being vaccinated. It does not mean that the vaccine does not work. You have to look at the numbers, not at the relatively few cases the media will highlight to keep everyone living in fear and sell articles.
Any sort of immunity is better than no immunity against any variant.

Vaccination is key to decrease the mortality rate globally and allow the hysteria (and sanitary crises where present) to subside.

As for global travel, I would personally encourage it if anything. At least for vaccinated people. It would help homogenize Covid variants around the World so that we only deal with a handful at a time rather than every nation dealing with its own homemade brew and everyone fearing everyone else's virus.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:29 pm

Derico wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Reducing the spread of mutation and reducing possible interaction between mutation that form new clusters, and in low case count countries, reducing the chance of starting a new wave since traveling especially those that are for leisure often involve many high risk activities that might help spread of virus

Agreed. The goal is slow spread of B.1.427/429, B.1.526, P.1, and B.1.617 while dealing with B.1.1.7.

Those are the ones where prior exposure produces less immunity. The hope is to vaccinate enough to allow a return to normal travel.

Getting enough vaccinated requires more production and a children's vaccine.

Lightsaber


Guys, with all due respect. The genie is long out of the bottle, and you are not getting it back in. Look at what you guys are saying: "We need to stop B.1427, and B.1.249, and B 1.526, and P.1 and B.1617, while dealing... ". This of course does not even deal with the rumored New York, India, Buenos Aires, Belarus rumored variants. And for every detected 'mutant' I bet there are 5 more unaccounted for. Only a couple of months ago we were only talking about 1 variant (UK). In a few months there will be 30 guaranteed and the media will stop counting them.

Game up, guys. I have clearly now switched more towards the "economic" and "mental health side". People should limit exposure, older people should be protected, and critical workers taken care of, mass gatherings should still be restricted, but it is absurd to think we can keep this bottled. The only thing bottled is the world economy and nerves at this point. I don't advocate free-willy travel. The vaccines have failed either in being safe, or effective since now I hear people getting reinfected all over the place. The key question is, are vaccinated people who are catching "breakthrough" variants getting severely ill. Hopefully not.

I don't advocate unrestricted travel and other activities that are of social nature, but this situation is untenable beyond 90 to 120. People will not tolerate another winter locked, and you are already seeing popular revolts all over the place.

Sometimes you have to just admit, humans are not that powerful or smart, really.

It is not the correct approach to track variants by their individual strain, instead we should track according to the mutations that matter, of which until now there are only three mutations that are significant, which are D614G, N501Y, and E484K.
Strains featuring D614G have already become dominant across the world last summer so we can treat it as baseline
Strains featuring N501Y, with higher infectivity, is now becoming dominant in various parts of the world. Most named strains, like those fron UK, Brazil, South Africa, carry this mutation
Strains featuring E484K, can weaken vaccine's effect. The mutation is featured in likw the Brazil and South Africa variants but not in most cases with UK variant.
Each variants and strains also feature dozens other mutation but no special effect have been discovered from those other mutations yet, and thus we don't need to worry too much about those.
Focus on mutations that are shown to matter.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:38 pm

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Derico wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Agreed. The goal is slow spread of B.1.427/429, B.1.526, P.1, and B.1.617 while dealing with B.1.1.7.

Those are the ones where prior exposure produces less immunity. The hope is to vaccinate enough to allow a return to normal travel.

Getting enough vaccinated requires more production and a children's vaccine.

Lightsaber


Guys, with all due respect. The genie is long out of the bottle, and you are not getting it back in. Look at what you guys are saying: "We need to stop B.1427, and B.1.249, and B 1.526, and P.1 and B.1617, while dealing... ". This of course does not even deal with the rumored New York, India, Buenos Aires, Belarus rumored variants. And for every detected 'mutant' I bet there are 5 more unaccounted for. Only a couple of months ago we were only talking about 1 variant (UK). In a few months there will be 30 guaranteed and the media will stop counting them.

Game up, guys. I have clearly now switched more towards the "economic" and "mental health side". People should limit exposure, older people should be protected, and critical workers taken care of, mass gatherings should still be restricted, but it is absurd to think we can keep this bottled. The only thing bottled is the world economy and nerves at this point. I don't advocate free-willy travel. The vaccines have failed either in being safe, or effective since now I hear people getting reinfected all over the place. The key question is, are vaccinated people who are catching "breakthrough" variants getting severely ill. Hopefully not.

I don't advocate unrestricted travel and other activities that are of social nature, but this situation is untenable beyond 90 to 120. People will not tolerate another winter locked, and you are already seeing popular revolts all over the place.

Sometimes you have to just admit, humans are not that powerful or smart, really.

It is not the correct approach to track variants by their individual strain, instead we should track according to the mutations that matter, of which until now there are only three mutations that are significant, which are D614G, N501Y, and E484K.
Strains featuring D614G have already become dominant across the world last summer so we can treat it as baseline
Strains featuring N501Y, with higher infectivity, is now becoming dominant in various parts of the world. Most named strains, like those fron UK, Brazil, South Africa, carry this mutation
Strains featuring E484K, can weaken vaccine's effect. The mutation is featured in likw the Brazil and South Africa variants but not in most cases with UK variant.
Each variants and strains also feature dozens other mutation but no special effect have been discovered from those other mutations yet, and thus we don't need to worry too much about those.
Focus on mutations that are shown to matter.

WHile the mututations matter, the combination really impacts the contageon.
Also, there is E484Q in the B.1.617 as well as L452R
You have the right idea.
Let us not lump them all together yet.
The L452R mutation has been found in fast spreading variants in California (B.1.427 and B.1.429). It can increase the binding power of spike proteins with ACE2 receptors on human cells, making it more transmissible. L452R can also potentially enhance viral replication.
https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... e-7274080/
Or as noted in this link, L452R increases the infectivity:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... r-BB1dYvhI

E484Q is, as noted two links above, is like the E484K, but a different variation. But this isn't just vaccines, E484K and E484Q mean people who had coronavirus have less immunity. They really cut through natural immunity in my opinion (I don't have a great link, just a hodge podge of what I've read).
I am of the opinion E484Q makes the virus much more likely to be serious in children. But I certainly need to do more reading on why

There is concern L452R might make it a little resistant to vaccines:
https://www.livescience.com/california- ... gious.html

However, we're not going to get the mutations into general conversation. A dinner I had last night with bright friends proved that.

N501Y mutation of the viral spike does let virus bind more and become more infectious (in B.1.351 South Africa and B.1.1.7 UK variant).
But the A222V variation of the viral spike is also of concern (Spanish variant)
and S477N in B.1.526 (New York Variant)

https://www.livescience.com/california- ... gious.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03 ... 6-what-we-
know.html#:~:text=B.1.526%20is%20effectively%20two%20variants%2C%20featuring%20a%20pair,virus%20binds%20to%20human%20cells%2C%E2%80%9D%20per%20the%20Times.

Because there are so many mix and match variations, it will be easier to say regional names. I know we don't want that, but that is the only way to say: "You are safe for the current and the UK variation, but not the South African, Brazil, and Spanish variants."

We are well past glaze over point for most people. I agree you are correct in the science, but to facilitate helpful conversations, this must related to something people understand. And sometimes one variation isn't of concern unless it is... dum dum dum (ominous music) it is a "double variant."

So Surf's up! California variants a coming! (B.1.427/429 with the L452R mutation). :duck: :rotfl:

Vaccines are providing broader protection than natural antibodies. What we need is a vegas betting system so people care to learn about the mutations.

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This is how second most populous nation is handling COVID-19 surge.

Twitter is full of loved ones pleading for Remidisvir. Yes it is exchanged at street corners.
https://twitter.com/search?q=remidisvir&src=typed_query

Hospital Bed shortage
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/ind ... 021-04-17/

Oxygen shortage
https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... t-7277038/

Mass cremations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivKPH2cvaSM

But leaders are praising how big election rally crowds are
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/west-be ... _topscroll
 
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However, we're not going to get the mutations into general conversation. A dinner I had last night with bright friends proved that.



That, dear fellow A.nutter, may have been your clue that you have gone a bit too far down the rabbit hole...
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We are well past glaze over point for most people. I agree you are correct in the science, but to facilitate helpful conversations, this must related to something people understand. And sometimes one variation isn't of concern unless it is... dum dum dum (ominous music) it is a "double variant."

Lightsaber


There is a reason Darwin is correct and his peers were proven wrong over time.

Mutations, natural selection, predation and human capability of artificial selection.

Mutations are random, mutations occur while replicating. natural selection decides survival. Vaccines, masks and physical distance are predators for COVID-19.

More replication, more mutations.

We the humans are the hosts are facilitating replication
We the humans artificially selected it to spread the virus rather than using available predators.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:06 pm

Air Vistara sets record in COVID-19 infections on a single flight.
Happened on UK6359 of April 4, 2021, 6 tested +ve at airport 43 during mandatory quarantine in hotels. Current count is 49.
Capacity is 188 but it appears at least 24 seats were blocked. This beats earlier record by EK DXB-HKG.
There is little to no coverage on Indian MSM.
https://twitter.com/tripperhead/status/ ... 4930110475

NDTV as usual keeps for 5 minutes and buries the story
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/hong-ko ... ve-2416741

Also, UK red lists India as B1617 The Double Mutant variant becoming prevalent in UK.
https://news.sky.com/story/india-added- ... s-12280454
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:35 am

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WHO finally recommends shutdown of live animal markets:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-77038914

Wild animal market.


Sigh... I should have went to the source before making my last post:

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item ... ets-2021.1

It looks like even farmed wild animals are not considered in this guidance, yet I thought the prevailing theory was that the virus jumped from a bat to one of these farmed exotic critters (civets, minks, etc...) and then to humans?

Seeing the comment about the impact on a (relatively) few people's livelihoods makes me wonder if these recommendations are purely "following the science" as the English-speaking press likes to say.

:scratchchin:
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:12 pm

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Air Vistara sets record in COVID-19 infections on a single flight.
Happened on UK6359 of April 4, 2021, 6 tested +ve at airport 43 during mandatory quarantine in hotels. Current count is 49.
Capacity is 188 but it appears at least 24 seats were blocked. This beats earlier record by EK DXB-HKG.
There is little to no coverage on Indian MSM.
https://twitter.com/tripperhead/status/ ... 4930110475

NDTV as usual keeps for 5 minutes and buries the story
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/hong-ko ... ve-2416741

Also, UK red lists India as B1617 The Double Mutant variant becoming prevalent in UK.
https://news.sky.com/story/india-added- ... s-12280454

When a variant is "becoming prevalent" it is usually too late to do any redlisting since the domestic transmission is already sufficient to help the strain spread and potentially gaining dominance, but I guess it can help slowing the rate
Also is there transmission at hotel or on the plane too?
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