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Aesma wrote:About NZ and Australia, do people there want to be vaccinated ? Having been mostly spared by the virus might be a disincentive for many. And not everyone cares that much about being stuck in their country.
Derico wrote:All these outbreaks (again), in Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, now Taiwan too.
So keeping all the filthy foreigners out, trapping your own citizens in, and even tramping on your own nationals rights of return as many Asian governments have been doing for the last 1 1/2 years has failed. You could have knocked me with a feather!
It's time we stop calling them success stories, even New Zealand. Their measures were great and laudable in the first 6 months to a year of the pandemic, and we can still all learn from them for future outbreaks, especially pre-vaccine time. But as totally expected, shutting yourself from the whole planet for eternity without any further plan is not a plan, nor is it something to praise. The Asian governments had quite a long time to figure out steps and prepare for mass vaccinations, all they kept saying are tropes like keeping the current measures, and reopening when it is "safe to do so". That 'reopen when safe to do so' was the code word for either "we don't have a clue", or "we didn't do our homework for the next phase". Even New Zealand, which has the double benefit of being an island and being very out of the way from almost all human and migration paths, will not keep the virus out forever. It only takes 1 fail amongst 10 million successes.
Maradona's goal against England, would be remembered by absolutely no one if the English goalkeeper had been able to block or deflect the shot or it's direction away from goal, even after he had dribbled by 7 players or so. Similarly, the true success stories will be countries who both contained the initial outbreaks from getting out of control, kept the infections and death toll low, successfully inoculated the population, did proper investments in better ventilation and medical infrastructure to handle future outbreaks, and returned to a near normal economic and cultural and reopen their borders to normal ties with the world. It must the the entire process, from beginning to some type of satisfactory conclusion for the society at large, the economy, and the government.
Until then, no one is a success.
lightsaber wrote:Derico wrote:All these outbreaks (again), in Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, now Taiwan too.
So keeping all the filthy foreigners out, trapping your own citizens in, and even tramping on your own nationals rights of return as many Asian governments have been doing for the last 1 1/2 years has failed. You could have knocked me with a feather!
It's time we stop calling them success stories, even New Zealand. Their measures were great and laudable in the first 6 months to a year of the pandemic, and we can still all learn from them for future outbreaks, especially pre-vaccine time. But as totally expected, shutting yourself from the whole planet for eternity without any further plan is not a plan, nor is it something to praise. The Asian governments had quite a long time to figure out steps and prepare for mass vaccinations, all they kept saying are tropes like keeping the current measures, and reopening when it is "safe to do so". That 'reopen when safe to do so' was the code word for either "we don't have a clue", or "we didn't do our homework for the next phase". Even New Zealand, which has the double benefit of being an island and being very out of the way from almost all human and migration paths, will not keep the virus out forever. It only takes 1 fail amongst 10 million successes.
Maradona's goal against England, would be remembered by absolutely no one if the English goalkeeper had been able to block or deflect the shot or it's direction away from goal, even after he had dribbled by 7 players or so. Similarly, the true success stories will be countries who both contained the initial outbreaks from getting out of control, kept the infections and death toll low, successfully inoculated the population, did proper investments in better ventilation and medical infrastructure to handle future outbreaks, and returned to a near normal economic and cultural and reopen their borders to normal ties with the world. It must the the entire process, from beginning to some type of satisfactory conclusion for the society at large, the economy, and the government.
Until then, no one is a success.
We have entered the last phase, inoculation.
Now success will be low cases and economic growth. It will be every country for itself trying to restart their economy.
The challenge will be vaccine hesitancy. I do not want anyone flying in unvaccinated. There will be too many strains.
Long term we need the world vaccinated.
Lightsaber
Derico wrote:lightsaber wrote:Derico wrote:All these outbreaks (again), in Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, now Taiwan too.
So keeping all the filthy foreigners out, trapping your own citizens in, and even tramping on your own nationals rights of return as many Asian governments have been doing for the last 1 1/2 years has failed. You could have knocked me with a feather!
It's time we stop calling them success stories, even New Zealand. Their measures were great and laudable in the first 6 months to a year of the pandemic, and we can still all learn from them for future outbreaks, especially pre-vaccine time. But as totally expected, shutting yourself from the whole planet for eternity without any further plan is not a plan, nor is it something to praise. The Asian governments had quite a long time to figure out steps and prepare for mass vaccinations, all they kept saying are tropes like keeping the current measures, and reopening when it is "safe to do so". That 'reopen when safe to do so' was the code word for either "we don't have a clue", or "we didn't do our homework for the next phase". Even New Zealand, which has the double benefit of being an island and being very out of the way from almost all human and migration paths, will not keep the virus out forever. It only takes 1 fail amongst 10 million successes.
Maradona's goal against England, would be remembered by absolutely no one if the English goalkeeper had been able to block or deflect the shot or it's direction away from goal, even after he had dribbled by 7 players or so. Similarly, the true success stories will be countries who both contained the initial outbreaks from getting out of control, kept the infections and death toll low, successfully inoculated the population, did proper investments in better ventilation and medical infrastructure to handle future outbreaks, and returned to a near normal economic and cultural and reopen their borders to normal ties with the world. It must the the entire process, from beginning to some type of satisfactory conclusion for the society at large, the economy, and the government.
Until then, no one is a success.
We have entered the last phase, inoculation.
Now success will be low cases and economic growth. It will be every country for itself trying to restart their economy.
The challenge will be vaccine hesitancy. I do not want anyone flying in unvaccinated. There will be too many strains.
Long term we need the world vaccinated.
Lightsaber
I question whether vaccine passports are actually useful (though I have been for them even before the pandemic, I have always been for "bio controls" at airports).
The reason is, all I hear is that vaccines are supposed to make the virus less virulent, and interrupt transmission. They are not designed to keep a carrier from infecting others.
If that is so, what does it matter if someone is vaccinated or not. They can still all the same carry the virus to where they are going.
So from a epidemic angle, I don't see the use. I can see the use as an incentive for many people to get the vaccine, so I still support the idea. No vaccine, never leave your country again. (in fact this should be done within countries, no vaccine, no travel to other states or provinces).
lightsaber wrote:The unvaccinated are in trouble. My relative's Coronavirus ward was shut down, two days ago it reopened and is filling up with the unvaccinated. Unfortunately they had a child, old enough to be vaccinated and previously healthy, die from B.1.1.617.x.
They are having trouble staffing the ward (prior contracts ended) as no one wants patients who die because they avoided a needle. The have one vaccinated person (immnio-deficient in the extreme) and everyone else someone who volunteered to "be vaccinated the hard way."
The misinformation out there is horrible. The large vaccinated population is generally safe. The unvaccinated... Will be a burden.
Lightsaber
Francoflier wrote:lightsaber wrote:The unvaccinated are in trouble. My relative's Coronavirus ward was shut down, two days ago it reopened and is filling up with the unvaccinated. Unfortunately they had a child, old enough to be vaccinated and previously healthy, die from B.1.1.617.x.
They are having trouble staffing the ward (prior contracts ended) as no one wants patients who die because they avoided a needle. The have one vaccinated person (immnio-deficient in the extreme) and everyone else someone who volunteered to "be vaccinated the hard way."
The misinformation out there is horrible. The large vaccinated population is generally safe. The unvaccinated... Will be a burden.
Lightsaber
The story of your sister and the many similar stories happening around the country need to come to light and be publicized more, graphically if possible.
The idiots refusing to be vaccinated need to understand what they sign up for and what they're responsible for.
I wouldn't hold it against her or her peers to quit. If anything, the shortage of volunteers due to mental and physical fatigue would help shine more light on the issue.
lightsaber wrote:Francoflier wrote:lightsaber wrote:The unvaccinated are in trouble. My relative's Coronavirus ward was shut down, two days ago it reopened and is filling up with the unvaccinated. Unfortunately they had a child, old enough to be vaccinated and previously healthy, die from B.1.1.617.x.
They are having trouble staffing the ward (prior contracts ended) as no one wants patients who die because they avoided a needle. The have one vaccinated person (immnio-deficient in the extreme) and everyone else someone who volunteered to "be vaccinated the hard way."
The misinformation out there is horrible. The large vaccinated population is generally safe. The unvaccinated... Will be a burden.
Lightsaber
The story of your sister and the many similar stories happening around the country need to come to light and be publicized more, graphically if possible.
The idiots refusing to be vaccinated need to understand what they sign up for and what they're responsible for.
I wouldn't hold it against her or her peers to quit. If anything, the shortage of volunteers due to mental and physical fatigue would help shine more light on the issue.
What is worse is some of the other leads are done. One male doctor had a heart attack, he cannot be exposed to Covid19. Another is pregnant and my relative, knowing full well she will have a doibled workload, sent her out on maternity as the risk is too high.
Before they pulled pediatric care, gall bladder specialists, "elective" surgery, and nephrologists (kidney) as people were too scared to come in for treatment. What was supposed to be a 3 month stint was a year.
Then it ended. For 3 weeks there were so few Covid19 patients, the ICU just took care of them. But then... boom! They're back .... Now 19 patients vs. a prior peak of 50.
They have one vaccinated patient who... cannot develop a coronavirus immunity for easy to understand medical reasons I cannot divulge. Every one else volunteered for this. They had three teenagers. For some reason the healthiest one died fast.
Now if a patient is at the end, my relative is the only doctor certified to do the last conversation where they crank up the medicine and oxygen for the last 20 to 40 minutes of conciousness to say goodbye. Because the other doctor is the pregnant doctor, it means 8 days in a row of 14 hour workdays. My relative will not come in to do the procedure on off days as she knows it is a burnout schedule and... there just isn't the sympathy (the patient who was vaccinated will not wake up again and was transferred to the ICU for palative care).
The amount of heroin my relative has prescribed is off the charts. It is like people do not understand how painful a coronavirus hospital stay will be and this ward has the best national record! Grrrr....
Lightsaber
Aaron747 wrote:lightsaber wrote:Francoflier wrote:
The story of your sister and the many similar stories happening around the country need to come to light and be publicized more, graphically if possible.
The idiots refusing to be vaccinated need to understand what they sign up for and what they're responsible for.
I wouldn't hold it against her or her peers to quit. If anything, the shortage of volunteers due to mental and physical fatigue would help shine more light on the issue.
What is worse is some of the other leads are done. One male doctor had a heart attack, he cannot be exposed to Covid19. Another is pregnant and my relative, knowing full well she will have a doibled workload, sent her out on maternity as the risk is too high.
Before they pulled pediatric care, gall bladder specialists, "elective" surgery, and nephrologists (kidney) as people were too scared to come in for treatment. What was supposed to be a 3 month stint was a year.
Then it ended. For 3 weeks there were so few Covid19 patients, the ICU just took care of them. But then... boom! They're back .... Now 19 patients vs. a prior peak of 50.
They have one vaccinated patient who... cannot develop a coronavirus immunity for easy to understand medical reasons I cannot divulge. Every one else volunteered for this. They had three teenagers. For some reason the healthiest one died fast.
Now if a patient is at the end, my relative is the only doctor certified to do the last conversation where they crank up the medicine and oxygen for the last 20 to 40 minutes of conciousness to say goodbye. Because the other doctor is the pregnant doctor, it means 8 days in a row of 14 hour workdays. My relative will not come in to do the procedure on off days as she knows it is a burnout schedule and... there just isn't the sympathy (the patient who was vaccinated will not wake up again and was transferred to the ICU for palative care).
The amount of heroin my relative has prescribed is off the charts. It is like people do not understand how painful a coronavirus hospital stay will be and this ward has the best national record! Grrrr....
Lightsaber
So bloody unnecessary. I'd use stronger language, but for the children...very much feel for dedicated professionals in healthcare. Have some in my family too and they only started coming out of hell in the last couple months. Though my lucky younger cousin who's an MD in SF never had much trouble because her hospital was not in a part of the city that had much COVID at all - a handful of cases at most.
lightsaber wrote:They have one vaccinated patient who... cannot develop a coronavirus immunity for easy to understand medical reasons I cannot divulge. Every one else volunteered for this. They had three teenagers. For some reason the healthiest one died fast.
c933103 wrote:lightsaber wrote:They have one vaccinated patient who... cannot develop a coronavirus immunity for easy to understand medical reasons I cannot divulge. Every one else volunteered for this. They had three teenagers. For some reason the healthiest one died fast.
Cytokine storm?
casinterest wrote:Aaron747 wrote:lightsaber wrote:What is worse is some of the other leads are done. One male doctor had a heart attack, he cannot be exposed to Covid19. Another is pregnant and my relative, knowing full well she will have a doibled workload, sent her out on maternity as the risk is too high.
Before they pulled pediatric care, gall bladder specialists, "elective" surgery, and nephrologists (kidney) as people were too scared to come in for treatment. What was supposed to be a 3 month stint was a year.
Then it ended. For 3 weeks there were so few Covid19 patients, the ICU just took care of them. But then... boom! They're back .... Now 19 patients vs. a prior peak of 50.
They have one vaccinated patient who... cannot develop a coronavirus immunity for easy to understand medical reasons I cannot divulge. Every one else volunteered for this. They had three teenagers. For some reason the healthiest one died fast.
Now if a patient is at the end, my relative is the only doctor certified to do the last conversation where they crank up the medicine and oxygen for the last 20 to 40 minutes of conciousness to say goodbye. Because the other doctor is the pregnant doctor, it means 8 days in a row of 14 hour workdays. My relative will not come in to do the procedure on off days as she knows it is a burnout schedule and... there just isn't the sympathy (the patient who was vaccinated will not wake up again and was transferred to the ICU for palative care).
The amount of heroin my relative has prescribed is off the charts. It is like people do not understand how painful a coronavirus hospital stay will be and this ward has the best national record! Grrrr....
Lightsaber
So bloody unnecessary. I'd use stronger language, but for the children...very much feel for dedicated professionals in healthcare. Have some in my family too and they only started coming out of hell in the last couple months. Though my lucky younger cousin who's an MD in SF never had much trouble because her hospital was not in a part of the city that had much COVID at all - a handful of cases at most.
We are in for a long summer in some of the areas in the US where family gatherings occur. Hopefully more and more are getting vaccinated, but there are going to be horrible outcomes for those that are susceptible to this virus and choose not to get vaccinated. Depending on others to get vaccinated for herd immunity when you could have done so yourself and chose not to is not the way save lives.
frmrCapCadet wrote:And anecdotal review. Our Kitsap County and Washington State (where first serious outbreak in the US occurred) went into full protection mode early in 2020. Washington was doing amongst the best in the US, and Kitsap County was doing better than the State, despite all of the defense industry going full bore. Until recent ....... The State now has one of the highest infectious rates in the US, with our county doing somewhat better. But the death rate is very low versus the rest of the country.
A Washington Post article already referenced on this thread featured some out our statistics with the infectious rates of the unvaccinated. There is obviously an active pandemic continuing with the unvaccinated, infectious rates as bad as January of 2021. The death rates remain very low, which I interpret to imply most of the cases are amongst the otherwise young and healthy. But as one poster has noted, those young healthy persons are risking becoming long haulers. Perhaps 10%, maybe even more - and so unnecessary.
lightsaber wrote:I hope my Pfizer vaccine (2nd dose over a month ago) proves its worth.
Lightsaber
Derico wrote:The reason is, all I hear is that vaccines are supposed to make the virus less virulent, and interrupt transmission. They are not designed to keep a carrier from infecting others.
DocLightning wrote:Derico wrote:The reason is, all I hear is that vaccines are supposed to make the virus less virulent, and interrupt transmission. They are not designed to keep a carrier from infecting others.
I keep seeing this repeated and it's wrong to the point where I think it's starting to become misinformation.
It is true that the initial trials were designed to test for protection from infection and/or disease. However, the immune system doesn't work that way. Immunity necessarily reduces viral reproduction and transmission in almost all cases. Indeed, for the mRNA vaccines, the data have consistently shown approximately a 90% reduction in asymptomatic infection, a 94% reduction in overall infection and a 96-97% reduction in symptomatic infection. So, because you cannot transmit a virus you do not have, the mRNA vaccines at least must reduce transmission by a minimum of 90%. Moreover, data from Israel showed 2-16-fold lower viral loads in the noses of those who were vaccinated and then tested positive. This virus transmits during a brief window of high viral load. Reduction of viral load will almost certainly reduce transmission further.
Smaller effects have been shown for the less efficacious adenovirus-vectored vaccines, but those reductions are in the 50-70% range.
There are very few antiviral vaccines that do not reduce transmission of their respective viruses.
DIRECTFLT wrote:Yahoo Finance YouTube
Houston Methodist sued over COVID-19 vaccine mandate, raising questions of employee rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n52z4bnn0t8
No matter the "good" intentions... Taking Experimental drugs should not be a requirement to have a job.
Aaron747 wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:Yahoo Finance YouTube
Houston Methodist sued over COVID-19 vaccine mandate, raising questions of employee rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n52z4bnn0t8
No matter the "good" intentions... Taking Experimental drugs should not be a requirement to have a job.
There are no 'questions of rights' here - anyone in HR can tell you so. Unless there is a CBA in place, companies can change policies in the course of employment and accepting a job is tacit acknowledgement this may occur. Federal employment law requires reasonable accommodations be made if employees present sound religious and/or health grounds against a particular policy. Since the plaintiff described the vaccine as 'gene modification' in her suit and there is no evidence thereof, this will not pass muster in court. In any case, longstanding precedent allows clinics and hospitals to require various vaccinations in order to obtain and/or maintain employment.
You may not know but there are up to sixteen states that already mandate vaccinations for healthcare workers (IIRC). This was challenged in court when it first came around but has been upheld since Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
phatfarmlines wrote:Cruise ship companies in Florida defy Gov. DeSantis' order on banning vaccine passports.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis calls CDC a 'bureaucratic virus' over vaccine requirements for cruise ships
Source: USA Today
Ironically, no cruise company joined Gov. DeSantis in his suit against the CDC to obey his state order of banning vaccine passports in Florida.
StarAC17 wrote:
Aren't ports federal Jurisdiction? DeSantis can huff and puff all he wants but the wouldn't the ultimate call is up to the feds?
StarAC17 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:Yahoo Finance YouTube
Houston Methodist sued over COVID-19 vaccine mandate, raising questions of employee rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n52z4bnn0t8
No matter the "good" intentions... Taking Experimental drugs should not be a requirement to have a job.
There are no 'questions of rights' here - anyone in HR can tell you so. Unless there is a CBA in place, companies can change policies in the course of employment and accepting a job is tacit acknowledgement this may occur. Federal employment law requires reasonable accommodations be made if employees present sound religious and/or health grounds against a particular policy. Since the plaintiff described the vaccine as 'gene modification' in her suit and there is no evidence thereof, this will not pass muster in court. In any case, longstanding precedent allows clinics and hospitals to require various vaccinations in order to obtain and/or maintain employment.
You may not know but there are up to sixteen states that already mandate vaccinations for healthcare workers (IIRC). This was challenged in court when it first came around but has been upheld since Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
I don't know US laws but this can only go so far to the point where it is a constructive dismissal and if proven in court this can be seen a dismissal without cause and the said employees are entitled to severance. Examples of this are. From Canadian law
- Cuts of salary of over 16% that is not voluntarily accepted
- Excessive micromanaging that is borders on harassments.
- Actual harassments
- Extended layoffs especially if an individuals job is replaced.
Requiring vaccines to enter the workplace is acceptable as they are easy to access and have really limited side effects. Unless this employers is refusing to accommodate those who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons then its an acceptable ask. If they say no vaccine and you are fired with no medical exemptions allowed then the employer can be sued.phatfarmlines wrote:Cruise ship companies in Florida defy Gov. DeSantis' order on banning vaccine passports.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis calls CDC a 'bureaucratic virus' over vaccine requirements for cruise ships
Source: USA Today
Ironically, no cruise company joined Gov. DeSantis in his suit against the CDC to obey his state order of banning vaccine passports in Florida.
Aren't ports federal Jurisdiction? DeSantis can huff and puff all he wants but the wouldn't the ultimate call is up to the feds?
phatfarmlines wrote:Cruise ship companies in Florida defy Gov. DeSantis' order on banning vaccine passports.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis calls CDC a 'bureaucratic virus' over vaccine requirements for cruise ships
Source: USA Today
Ironically, no cruise company joined Gov. DeSantis in his suit against the CDC to obey his state order of banning vaccine passports in Florida.
c933103 wrote:phatfarmlines wrote:Cruise ship companies in Florida defy Gov. DeSantis' order on banning vaccine passports.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis calls CDC a 'bureaucratic virus' over vaccine requirements for cruise ships
Source: USA Today
Ironically, no cruise company joined Gov. DeSantis in his suit against the CDC to obey his state order of banning vaccine passports in Florida.
I guess it is a function of market and rusk, as cruise comoanies in Hong Kong are trying but failed to persuade government allowing unvaccinated guest amid local vaccination rate stay at about 21% and number of new virus case have drop to level of almost zero
aerolimani wrote:c933103 wrote:phatfarmlines wrote:Cruise ship companies in Florida defy Gov. DeSantis' order on banning vaccine passports.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis calls CDC a 'bureaucratic virus' over vaccine requirements for cruise ships
Source: USA Today
Ironically, no cruise company joined Gov. DeSantis in his suit against the CDC to obey his state order of banning vaccine passports in Florida.
I guess it is a function of market and rusk, as cruise comoanies in Hong Kong are trying but failed to persuade government allowing unvaccinated guest amid local vaccination rate stay at about 21% and number of new virus case have drop to level of almost zero
In many places, you might have a harder time filling a cruise ship without requiring proof of vaccination. Lots of folks wouldn’t feel comfortable getting on a boat knowing they’re around non-vaccinated people.
lightsaber wrote:Cluster in Melbourne believed to have started as transmission between two 5th grade students:
https://amp.news.com.au/national/victor ... 5f69df127a
This new "delta" variant is too interesting.
Lightsaber
DIRECTFLT wrote:Yahoo Finance YouTube
Houston Methodist sued over COVID-19 vaccine mandate, raising questions of employee rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n52z4bnn0t8
No matter the "good" intentions... Taking Experimental drugs should not be a requirement to have a job.
lightsaber wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:Yahoo Finance YouTube
Houston Methodist sued over COVID-19 vaccine mandate, raising questions of employee rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n52z4bnn0t8
No matter the "good" intentions... Taking Experimental drugs should not be a requirement to have a job.
Most companies agree. However formal approval for Pfizer and Moderna has been applied for. However, medical personnel have a responsibility to protect their patients. Vaccinated have been shown to be far less likely to transmit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1269209
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... 19-vaccine
Link showing unvaccinated are ten times as likely to transmit the virus!
https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/cd ... d-settings
My relative works in a hospital currently experiencing a coronavirus surge. The vaccinated staff are done with the long hours and few volunteer as the new patients chose not to be vaccinated, so far less sympathy.
The unvaccinated naturally don't want to treat coronavirus patients. So the hospital is assigning employees. To get out of the job the consider age (> 65 exempt), cancer (due to reduced immunity), and pregnancy (again, reduced immunity). Otherwise staff assigned either work coronavirus or will be dismissed for job abandonment. (Not showing up for work.) No consideration of vaccine status except for new moms are also exempt.
The 5th wave has started. It is months away from being significant, but the B.1.617.2 variant puts a lot of unvacvinated in the hospital.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06 ... -know.html
The risks both ways are known. After a year of rediculously long hours and forced no vacations, the medical staff seem to have a very different attitude. They are too burned out to volunteer. Many want to go back to treating the patients they entered medicine to treat (pediatrics, cancer, cardiac, nephrology).
The next wave will be interesting. I see there is a large community near myself only 22% vaccinated. With the high Ro of B.1.617.2... Interesting times.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/califo ... tribution/
Lightsaber
ps, fascinating discussion with a mortician today. Their staff is so exhausted they are cutting hous locally. First funeral they will schedule is mid-July, for a steep premium. Normal price is wait listed for the fall. Perhaps a vaccine is a good idea?
lightsaber wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:Yahoo Finance YouTube
ps, fascinating discussion with a mortician today. Their staff is so exhausted they are cutting hous locally. First funeral they will schedule is mid-July, for a steep premium. Normal price is wait listed for the fall. Perhaps a vaccine is a good idea?
lightsaber wrote:Well, the health authority finally put out a warning for the area where my relative works.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... NewsSearch
Erre... Hospital ramped up end of May and now they warn. Barn door... horse.
No new vaccine breakthroughs seem to be happening.
Lightsaber
cskok8 wrote:lightsaber wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:Yahoo Finance YouTube
ps, fascinating discussion with a mortician today. Their staff is so exhausted they are cutting hous locally. First funeral they will schedule is mid-July, for a steep premium. Normal price is wait listed for the fall. Perhaps a vaccine is a good idea?
How is a funeral scheduled?
Aaron747 wrote:KFTG wrote:Florida removes all remaining COVID restrictions (links to PDF)
https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-con ... .29.21.pdf
Unbelievably dumb. But then this is the FL state government, so...
I feel sorry for any MD or RN dealing with this in the Sunshine state.
lightsaber wrote:cskok8 wrote:lightsaber wrote:
How is a funeral scheduled?
Sadly, I get this duty in the family. One goes to a funeral home, in my case my older relatives all have stated a preference. One presents a copy of the death certificate and then negotiations begin unless pre-planned/paid. You schedule/rent a hall, buy a casket (unless pre-bought), hopefully the plot or cremation was planned. Then you make calls for a priest, armed forces honor guard (if earned) and find six people strong enough to be pall bearers while letting the deceased's elderly friends know the offer is appreciated, but strong backs are required...
The issue is the morticians are exhausted. They and their staff want/need time off. In the case of infectious disease, sometimes cremation is required to prevent transmission.
We've had a surge in deaths and normally funeral homes have a week backlog. Due to coronavirus, they have over 4 weeks planned already, but this is Southbay Los Angeles and anecdotal.
Lightsaber
lightsaber wrote:Lots of juvenile cases where my relative works coronavirus. There are typos unfortunately in the link (mix of weekly and two week numbers and mix under age 19 and under age 18... oops). 188 under age 19 cases in 2 weeks, 50 age zero through age 9 (day before ten).
https://www.westernslopenow.com/news/lo ... id-19/amp/
Its here... In the schools and I bet less well run areas don't even know they have a problem. When this gets into the big year round schools... yea...
Mesa county had to stand up a pediatric coronavirus ward at the hospital... ummm...
I hope your area is randomly testing kids or you won't know until Delta is well established in your area.
Lightsaber