NIKV69 wrote:Never had an issue. Turn car off, Put keys on dash, hands on wheel and follow their directions you will never have a problem.
Hope you don’t encounter someone like this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rogerson
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NIKV69 wrote:Never had an issue. Turn car off, Put keys on dash, hands on wheel and follow their directions you will never have a problem.
M564038 wrote:I once left a large supiscious-looking suitcase in the wrong carriage of a french TGV-train. Long story, I was stupid, but there was mitigating circumstances.
I was going to CDG, and was in a bit of hurry.
I left the the suitcase and went to the restaurant and got just drunk enough on red wine, a good book and music on my headphones that I didn't notice the train being at a standstill for more than an hour.
When we finaly started up again, I removed my headphones and recognized the message that had been blaring over the speakers again and again as containing words barely resembling parts of my name. I made myself known to the train personell.
My suitcase had been removed from the train, due to be blown up. I assured them there was no bomb in it. But that my passport and plane ticket (yes, the old days) were in it.
They told me I didn't need it anyway as the police would be waiting for me at CDG.
And they were.
They met me with "So, you are the damn terrorist", escorted me to the police car and asked me to sit.
Off we go, no sirens, but he was driving like a madman. Through a gate, across the apron, up to the plane, they confirmed my identity to the crew that was eager to close the doors wished me a good journey home. My suitcase was delivered to my door in Oslo the next day.
The french police are the worst.
N583JB wrote:johns624 wrote:N583JB wrote:No, but since this is an aviation forum, the correct example would be that there are millions of people who fly every year but the few that crash make the news. The difference is the pilots are very seldom trying to crash the plane but many of the police officers are doing wrong.
So you are arguing that the police kill tens of millions of people each year? Why isn't the news covering this?
To use that analogy, it would be similar to someone claiming that no one should ever fly because a plane crashed last year.
seb146 wrote:N583JB wrote:johns624 wrote:No, but since this is an aviation forum, the correct example would be that there are millions of people who fly every year but the few that crash make the news. The difference is the pilots are very seldom trying to crash the plane but many of the police officers are doing wrong.
To use that analogy, it would be similar to someone claiming that no one should ever fly because a plane crashed last year.
When a plane crashes, a special team is called in to find out what happened and steps are taken to correct those mistakes and make flying safer. With cops, all they do is get a slap on the wrist and nothing changes. Maybe it is time we treated cops like airplane crashes. That is: investigate, hold those responsible accountable and make actual, real changes.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:seb146 wrote:N583JB wrote:
To use that analogy, it would be similar to someone claiming that no one should ever fly because a plane crashed last year.
When a plane crashes, a special team is called in to find out what happened and steps are taken to correct those mistakes and make flying safer. With cops, all they do is get a slap on the wrist and nothing changes. Maybe it is time we treated cops like airplane crashes. That is: investigate, hold those responsible accountable and make actual, real changes.
Maybe it’d happen IF Democrats weren’t funded by public sector unions.
seb146 wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:seb146 wrote:
When a plane crashes, a special team is called in to find out what happened and steps are taken to correct those mistakes and make flying safer. With cops, all they do is get a slap on the wrist and nothing changes. Maybe it is time we treated cops like airplane crashes. That is: investigate, hold those responsible accountable and make actual, real changes.
Maybe it’d happen IF Democrats weren’t funded by public sector unions.
Don't change the subject. Giving health care and decent wage to people is vastly different than demanding cops be held to a much higher standard than the rest of us. They literally choose who dies and are not held accountable beyond "go sit in time out". Police unions need to be defunded. Qualified immunity needs to be thrown away. Hold cops to a higher standard.
Zeppi wrote:Wow, some of those are pretty creepy.
Since I've never had a bad encounter with police I'll share two funny ones.
They said it would take at least an hour for a tow truck to reach them from the nearest city, so I said we could try pulling them out with my car. I attached the removable trailer hitch and they had a rope with them, which we just flung over. After a few unsuccesfull attempts it worked and they were free again. We had another laugh and went our ways, two days later I came home to find a crate of beer in front of my house with a little thank you note in it. Cute
WIederling wrote:Tiredofhumanity wrote:Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
This is valid in court proceedings. Your are not in court
And police hasn't got the full "Street Judges" qualification yet
Another domain:
Media don't want to hear about it either.
guilty beyond any redeeming information or act.
lightsaber wrote:seb146 wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Maybe it’d happen IF Democrats weren’t funded by public sector unions.
Don't change the subject. Giving health care and decent wage to people is vastly different than demanding cops be held to a much higher standard than the rest of us. They literally choose who dies and are not held accountable beyond "go sit in time out". Police unions need to be defunded. Qualified immunity needs to be thrown away. Hold cops to a higher standard.
My police officer friends are incredibly scrutinized.
How many times have you made a mistake at work?
As one Police friend noted, he never busted a yuppie with a wine bottle sticking out of the picnic basket as none ever made him fear for his life.
The issue is a failure the cops are expected to clean up. Our revolving door system is not helping.
https://www.reference.com/world-view/pe ... 98e78dd859
seb146 wrote:lightsaber wrote:seb146 wrote:
Don't change the subject. Giving health care and decent wage to people is vastly different than demanding cops be held to a much higher standard than the rest of us. They literally choose who dies and are not held accountable beyond "go sit in time out". Police unions need to be defunded. Qualified immunity needs to be thrown away. Hold cops to a higher standard.
My police officer friends are incredibly scrutinized.
How many times have you made a mistake at work?
As one Police friend noted, he never busted a yuppie with a wine bottle sticking out of the picnic basket as none ever made him fear for his life.
The issue is a failure the cops are expected to clean up. Our revolving door system is not helping.
https://www.reference.com/world-view/pe ... 98e78dd859
Two points:
1. how many cops open fire because "I thought he was holding a gun" but it turned out to be a cell phone or a sandwich or a shadow? Daunte Wright was initially pulled over for his tags and air fresheners. He ended up being shot because "I thought it was my taser". Cops screw up on their job and oh, well... give them a desk assignment for like two weeks thoughts and prayers. A hamburger flipper is fired if s/he messes with the food. How is that fair?
2. we wouldn't have a revolving door system if it weren't for a combination of archaic laws and for-profit prisons.
N583JB wrote:seb146 wrote:lightsaber wrote:My police officer friends are incredibly scrutinized.
How many times have you made a mistake at work?
As one Police friend noted, he never busted a yuppie with a wine bottle sticking out of the picnic basket as none ever made him fear for his life.
The issue is a failure the cops are expected to clean up. Our revolving door system is not helping.
https://www.reference.com/world-view/pe ... 98e78dd859
Two points:
1. how many cops open fire because "I thought he was holding a gun" but it turned out to be a cell phone or a sandwich or a shadow? Daunte Wright was initially pulled over for his tags and air fresheners. He ended up being shot because "I thought it was my taser". Cops screw up on their job and oh, well... give them a desk assignment for like two weeks thoughts and prayers. A hamburger flipper is fired if s/he messes with the food. How is that fair?
2. we wouldn't have a revolving door system if it weren't for a combination of archaic laws and for-profit prisons.
The cop you are referring to is now awaiting trial on felony charges. That's not exactly a two week desk assignment.
seb146 wrote:N583JB wrote:seb146 wrote:
Two points:
1. how many cops open fire because "I thought he was holding a gun" but it turned out to be a cell phone or a sandwich or a shadow? Daunte Wright was initially pulled over for his tags and air fresheners. He ended up being shot because "I thought it was my taser". Cops screw up on their job and oh, well... give them a desk assignment for like two weeks thoughts and prayers. A hamburger flipper is fired if s/he messes with the food. How is that fair?
2. we wouldn't have a revolving door system if it weren't for a combination of archaic laws and for-profit prisons.
The cop you are referring to is now awaiting trial on felony charges. That's not exactly a two week desk assignment.
"We will charge this one and hold her up as the example that we discipline our own this one time" is not even close to the same thing.
seb146 wrote:N583JB wrote:seb146 wrote:
Two points:
1. how many cops open fire because "I thought he was holding a gun" but it turned out to be a cell phone or a sandwich or a shadow? Daunte Wright was initially pulled over for his tags and air fresheners. He ended up being shot because "I thought it was my taser". Cops screw up on their job and oh, well... give them a desk assignment for like two weeks thoughts and prayers. A hamburger flipper is fired if s/he messes with the food. How is that fair?
2. we wouldn't have a revolving door system if it weren't for a combination of archaic laws and for-profit prisons.
The cop you are referring to is now awaiting trial on felony charges. That's not exactly a two week desk assignment.
"We will charge this one and hold her up as the example that we discipline our own this one time" is not even close to the same thing.
stratosphere wrote:Yeah then we have the Capitol police officer who shot and killed an unarmed white woman when there were armed police right behind her when at best her crime was trespassing and not only was the officer not charged we don't even know his name and probably would have never even heard this story had someone not caught it on video. This officer is being made an example of because the victim was black if he was white it would have never made the news that is why the media makes it appear the cops are only targeting blacks when in fact if you resist and do something stupid like trying to drive away and you are white and you get shot and killed it won't make the news it doesn't fit the narrative and it happens a lot. I do agree this officer while it may be a mistake it was one that is inexcusable and she will pay a price for it. We need better vetting and a national data base of problem officers like Derek Chauvin I am all for police reforms.
Revelation wrote:Actually the stories above remind me that the cop who wrote my last ticket was really surly, presumably because I did not confess to doing anything wrong. Hey, I was just leaving the "his word against mine" defense open to myself. Why he had no video evidence was a mystery to me, it would have made my defense a lot more difficult.
One thing he did was wave down another cop who was passing as he was walking the ticket over to me and those guys proceeded to have a 20 minute conversation. Then he finally gave me the ticket and my license back without saying a word about the long delay. I didn't say a word either because I knew I'd be going to court and trying to get out of the ticket, which I did by just donating $50 to charity.
Funny thing is that pleading guilty and paying the fine would have cost over $220 and would have impacted my insurance cost and driving record too. IMO, you should always fight tickets, even if it means losing a day's work or vacation time. Every time I've done so, I've gotten the ticked knocked down or eliminated entirely.
stl07 wrote:And if you don't have the time, pay a traffic lawyer for like 80 bucks
Revelation wrote:stl07 wrote:And if you don't have the time, pay a traffic lawyer for like 80 bucks
Interesting, haven't seen lawyers offer to fight tickets for cheap money like that where I drive the most (NH, MA, CT). I guess I'll have to look harder. The last ticket was in CT and I had to drive two hours each way and take a day off work, so it would have been worth it.
stratosphere wrote:seb146 wrote:N583JB wrote:
The cop you are referring to is now awaiting trial on felony charges. That's not exactly a two week desk assignment.
"We will charge this one and hold her up as the example that we discipline our own this one time" is not even close to the same thing.
Yeah then we have the Capitol police officer who shot and killed an unarmed white woman when there were armed police right behind her when at best her crime was trespassing and not only was the officer not charged we don't even know his name and probably would have never even heard this story had someone not caught it on video. This officer is being made an example of because the victim was black if he was white it would have never made the news that is why the media makes it appear the cops are only targeting blacks when in fact if you resist and do something stupid like trying to drive away and you are white and you get shot and killed it won't make the news it doesn't fit the narrative and it happens a lot. I do agree this officer while it may be a mistake it was one that is inexcusable and she will pay a price for it. We need better vetting and a national data base of problem officers like Derek Chauvin I am all for police reforms.
stratosphere wrote:seb146 wrote:N583JB wrote:
The cop you are referring to is now awaiting trial on felony charges. That's not exactly a two week desk assignment.
"We will charge this one and hold her up as the example that we discipline our own this one time" is not even close to the same thing.
Yeah then we have the Capitol police officer who shot and killed an unarmed white woman when there were armed police right behind her when at best her crime was trespassing and not only was the officer not charged we don't even know his name and probably would have never even heard this story had someone not caught it on video. This officer is being made an example of because the victim was black if he was white it would have never made the news that is why the media makes it appear the cops are only targeting blacks when in fact if you resist and do something stupid like trying to drive away and you are white and you get shot and killed it won't make the news it doesn't fit the narrative and it happens a lot. I do agree this officer while it may be a mistake it was one that is inexcusable and she will pay a price for it. We need better vetting and a national data base of problem officers like Derek Chauvin I am all for police reforms.
zanl188 wrote:stratosphere wrote:seb146 wrote:
"We will charge this one and hold her up as the example that we discipline our own this one time" is not even close to the same thing.
Yeah then we have the Capitol police officer who shot and killed an unarmed white woman when there were armed police right behind her when at best her crime was trespassing and not only was the officer not charged we don't even know his name and probably would have never even heard this story had someone not caught it on video. This officer is being made an example of because the victim was black if he was white it would have never made the news that is why the media makes it appear the cops are only targeting blacks when in fact if you resist and do something stupid like trying to drive away and you are white and you get shot and killed it won't make the news it doesn't fit the narrative and it happens a lot. I do agree this officer while it may be a mistake it was one that is inexcusable and she will pay a price for it. We need better vetting and a national data base of problem officers like Derek Chauvin I am all for police reforms.
White carjacking suspect. Runs from cops. Bails out of the car. Tries to carjack another vehicle at gunpoint. Shot by Cops. Makes the news.
https://youtu.be/cufDzxZZLG4
Whose narrative does it not fit?
seb146 wrote:zanl188 wrote:stratosphere wrote:
Yeah then we have the Capitol police officer who shot and killed an unarmed white woman when there were armed police right behind her when at best her crime was trespassing and not only was the officer not charged we don't even know his name and probably would have never even heard this story had someone not caught it on video. This officer is being made an example of because the victim was black if he was white it would have never made the news that is why the media makes it appear the cops are only targeting blacks when in fact if you resist and do something stupid like trying to drive away and you are white and you get shot and killed it won't make the news it doesn't fit the narrative and it happens a lot. I do agree this officer while it may be a mistake it was one that is inexcusable and she will pay a price for it. We need better vetting and a national data base of problem officers like Derek Chauvin I am all for police reforms.
White carjacking suspect. Runs from cops. Bails out of the car. Tries to carjack another vehicle at gunpoint. Shot by Cops. Makes the news.
https://youtu.be/cufDzxZZLG4
Whose narrative does it not fit?
Armed suspect taken alive, unarmed suspect shot dead. Guess the skin color of those suspects?
N583JB wrote:seb146 wrote:zanl188 wrote:
White carjacking suspect. Runs from cops. Bails out of the car. Tries to carjack another vehicle at gunpoint. Shot by Cops. Makes the news.
https://youtu.be/cufDzxZZLG4
Whose narrative does it not fit?
Armed suspect taken alive, unarmed suspect shot dead. Guess the skin color of those suspects?
How about the armed black man in Austin who allegedly killed three people yesterday? Taken alive without incident.
af773atmsp wrote:I'm curious what stories you have, no matter where you're from and who you are. Can be anything from just a rude cop to a near death experience (if you're comfortable sharing that of course).
My experiences weren't exactly awful, just uncomfortable:
First one was back in 2013. I was visiting a friend in NYC, and we went to a spot to get a good view of the skyline from across the Hudson River. That involved trespassing, but it was just a vacant lot. A cop somehow found us and he definitely wasn't in a good mood. To make matters worse, when he asked for our IDs I couldn't give him mine because it was back at my friend's place (he lived at a university dorm and for whatever reason their policy is guests must leave their ID at the reception desk). I did have my community college ID but it wasn't good enough for him. He gave us a stern talking and considered making us go to court, but he was merciful enough to let us go when I explained that I was visiting for only a couple days.
Second time was in 2014. I was driving and my phone rang, but I couldn't answer (I think at that time it was still legal to use your phone while driving, but I never use my phone while driving). I parked on a dead-end street to see who it was, and seeing that it was a survey place where I could get a little bit of money I called them back. Moments later a cop car parked in back of my car and a cop got out. I hung up and an officer came to the passenger-side window asking what I was doing. I explained that I was making a call and he asked to see my phone. Legally I could've refused, but I had nothing to hide so I let him look. There were a few other officers around, and they tried the number I had just called. I overheard on a radio that the number was just a survey place and to let him (me) go. Apparently at a nearby hotel there's a lot of sex trafficking and they assumed I was part of that. One of the officers said "you don't look like pimp material anyways," which at the time I could chuckle about, but now I wonder if he was inferring to my race. I'm white, so that situation could've gone very differently if I was black, even if I let them check my phone and they realized I was just calling a survey place.
Third time was in 2018. I had just gotten off of work for the night and on my way home I noticed a train, so I decided to go to a spot to get a video of it. This spot is very rural with no houses around. As I drove down the dead-end gravel road to get to the spot a cop car drove past me and then turned around. Right away I knew something was wrong and sure enough the lights started flashing, so naturally I pulled over. The cop asks what I'm doing here, and I wasn't sure how he would respond to "I'm just waiting for a train" so I lied and said I was trying to get to a nearby town. He asked for my ID, and I had remembered that not long ago Philando Castile was reaching for his ID and got shot because the officer thought he was pulling out a gun. I calmly asked the officer if I could step out of the vehicle to get my ID, and he was fine with that. Perhaps it was an odd request, but I just felt safer that he would be able to clearly see me reaching into my pocket to get my wallet. After a little bit he explained why he pulled me over (apparently that spot gets a lot of drunks and drug users at night) and then told me that I was "clearly not going in the right direction" to get to town and told me how to get there.
Last time was in 2019, and involved a cop who didn't know what he was talking about. I was on my bike and got clipped by a car at a crosswalk. Thankfully I wasn't injured, but just to be on the safe side I called the police and the driver who clipped me was okay with that. The cop tells me I'm not allowed to bike on the sidewalk and I either need to bike on the street or walk on the sidewalk. I asked him what exact law stated that biking on the sidewalk isn't allowed, and he just brushed it off saying he would have to look it up later. After that experience it was a long process of getting in contact with the city to see if this cop was right or not. It took a month, but I got in contact with the police chief who said that it's perfectly legal to bike on the sidewalk.
DL717 wrote:af773atmsp wrote:I'm curious what stories you have, no matter where you're from and who you are. Can be anything from just a rude cop to a near death experience (if you're comfortable sharing that of course).
My experiences weren't exactly awful, just uncomfortable:
First one was back in 2013. I was visiting a friend in NYC, and we went to a spot to get a good view of the skyline from across the Hudson River. That involved trespassing, but it was just a vacant lot. A cop somehow found us and he definitely wasn't in a good mood. To make matters worse, when he asked for our IDs I couldn't give him mine because it was back at my friend's place (he lived at a university dorm and for whatever reason their policy is guests must leave their ID at the reception desk). I did have my community college ID but it wasn't good enough for him. He gave us a stern talking and considered making us go to court, but he was merciful enough to let us go when I explained that I was visiting for only a couple days.
Second time was in 2014. I was driving and my phone rang, but I couldn't answer (I think at that time it was still legal to use your phone while driving, but I never use my phone while driving). I parked on a dead-end street to see who it was, and seeing that it was a survey place where I could get a little bit of money I called them back. Moments later a cop car parked in back of my car and a cop got out. I hung up and an officer came to the passenger-side window asking what I was doing. I explained that I was making a call and he asked to see my phone. Legally I could've refused, but I had nothing to hide so I let him look. There were a few other officers around, and they tried the number I had just called. I overheard on a radio that the number was just a survey place and to let him (me) go. Apparently at a nearby hotel there's a lot of sex trafficking and they assumed I was part of that. One of the officers said "you don't look like pimp material anyways," which at the time I could chuckle about, but now I wonder if he was inferring to my race. I'm white, so that situation could've gone very differently if I was black, even if I let them check my phone and they realized I was just calling a survey place.
Third time was in 2018. I had just gotten off of work for the night and on my way home I noticed a train, so I decided to go to a spot to get a video of it. This spot is very rural with no houses around. As I drove down the dead-end gravel road to get to the spot a cop car drove past me and then turned around. Right away I knew something was wrong and sure enough the lights started flashing, so naturally I pulled over. The cop asks what I'm doing here, and I wasn't sure how he would respond to "I'm just waiting for a train" so I lied and said I was trying to get to a nearby town. He asked for my ID, and I had remembered that not long ago Philando Castile was reaching for his ID and got shot because the officer thought he was pulling out a gun. I calmly asked the officer if I could step out of the vehicle to get my ID, and he was fine with that. Perhaps it was an odd request, but I just felt safer that he would be able to clearly see me reaching into my pocket to get my wallet. After a little bit he explained why he pulled me over (apparently that spot gets a lot of drunks and drug users at night) and then told me that I was "clearly not going in the right direction" to get to town and told me how to get there.
Last time was in 2019, and involved a cop who didn't know what he was talking about. I was on my bike and got clipped by a car at a crosswalk. Thankfully I wasn't injured, but just to be on the safe side I called the police and the driver who clipped me was okay with that. The cop tells me I'm not allowed to bike on the sidewalk and I either need to bike on the street or walk on the sidewalk. I asked him what exact law stated that biking on the sidewalk isn't allowed, and he just brushed it off saying he would have to look it up later. After that experience it was a long process of getting in contact with the city to see if this cop was right or not. It took a month, but I got in contact with the police chief who said that it's perfectly legal to bike on the sidewalk.
So... You were trespassing, you found yourself in a bad place you weren't aware of where they would have been looking for sex traffickers making deals on a phone, you were down a dark road then lied to the cops about why you were there and you rode your bike on a sidewalk (which except for minors is illegal in most places) - I got such a ticket at the age of 18. So pretty much, they let you go for trespassing, they rightfully checked on you given the circumstances, they were probably concerned for your safety, and they didn't give you a ticket for riding on the sidewalk.
texdravid wrote:Absolutely none. I'm over 50 and grew up in the deep south. I'm South Indian, and darker than 90% of African Americans.
Unlike said African Americans, I have a difficult name to pronounce, have a completely different eastern religion, and I am in no way culturally American EXCEPT when I speak with an American accent.
I have driven a car since 1986, and have had 3-4 speeding tickets in my life. None of these encounters were in any way shape or form "hostile", "dangerous" or anything other than pleasant.
The fact that everyone now is scared to say is that the police by and large are great people who protect us and put their lives on the line every day, every hour. To say they have it out for dark people, blacks/latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, is simply preposterous.
Now, if you misbehave, do drugs, wield a weapon, use said weapon(s) during a commission of a crime, or any number of crimes, don't expect the police to be nice to you or don't expect to get away with your behavior.
I'm so sick and tired of the anti-police idiocy in this country and the west. There is a reason that Indian-Americans or Chinese or Japanese do not have bad experiences with police or get shot by police or are killed by police. We overall, with very few exceptions, DO NOT BREAK THE LAW. We don't put ourselves in a position at 3 am to loiter at a street corner, acting suspiciously. We don't abuse drugs or commit petty street crime. And when we are stopped by the police, we are kind, straightforward, answer their questions, and go home to our families.
Don't break the law, then you won't have any bad interactions with the police. Plain and simple. Finally, there is no "epidemic" of white cop/black suspect shootings. Hardly. What is the reality? Cops shoot white suspects just as much as black suspects.
Social and familial ills in the American minority community are the prime culprit here, and no government intervention can cure that.
Max Q wrote:texdravid wrote:Absolutely none. I'm over 50 and grew up in the deep south. I'm South Indian, and darker than 90% of African Americans.
Unlike said African Americans, I have a difficult name to pronounce, have a completely different eastern religion, and I am in no way culturally American EXCEPT when I speak with an American accent.
I have driven a car since 1986, and have had 3-4 speeding tickets in my life. None of these encounters were in any way shape or form "hostile", "dangerous" or anything other than pleasant.
The fact that everyone now is scared to say is that the police by and large are great people who protect us and put their lives on the line every day, every hour. To say they have it out for dark people, blacks/latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, is simply preposterous.
Now, if you misbehave, do drugs, wield a weapon, use said weapon(s) during a commission of a crime, or any number of crimes, don't expect the police to be nice to you or don't expect to get away with your behavior.
I'm so sick and tired of the anti-police idiocy in this country and the west. There is a reason that Indian-Americans or Chinese or Japanese do not have bad experiences with police or get shot by police or are killed by police. We overall, with very few exceptions, DO NOT BREAK THE LAW. We don't put ourselves in a position at 3 am to loiter at a street corner, acting suspiciously. We don't abuse drugs or commit petty street crime. And when we are stopped by the police, we are kind, straightforward, answer their questions, and go home to our families.
Don't break the law, then you won't have any bad interactions with the police. Plain and simple. Finally, there is no "epidemic" of white cop/black suspect shootings. Hardly. What is the reality? Cops shoot white suspects just as much as black suspects.
Social and familial ills in the American minority community are the prime culprit here, and no government intervention can cure that.
That is complete nonsense
GalaxyFlyer wrote:Max Q wrote:texdravid wrote:Absolutely none. I'm over 50 and grew up in the deep south. I'm South Indian, and darker than 90% of African Americans.
Unlike said African Americans, I have a difficult name to pronounce, have a completely different eastern religion, and I am in no way culturally American EXCEPT when I speak with an American accent.
I have driven a car since 1986, and have had 3-4 speeding tickets in my life. None of these encounters were in any way shape or form "hostile", "dangerous" or anything other than pleasant.
The fact that everyone now is scared to say is that the police by and large are great people who protect us and put their lives on the line every day, every hour. To say they have it out for dark people, blacks/latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, is simply preposterous.
Now, if you misbehave, do drugs, wield a weapon, use said weapon(s) during a commission of a crime, or any number of crimes, don't expect the police to be nice to you or don't expect to get away with your behavior.
I'm so sick and tired of the anti-police idiocy in this country and the west. There is a reason that Indian-Americans or Chinese or Japanese do not have bad experiences with police or get shot by police or are killed by police. We overall, with very few exceptions, DO NOT BREAK THE LAW. We don't put ourselves in a position at 3 am to loiter at a street corner, acting suspiciously. We don't abuse drugs or commit petty street crime. And when we are stopped by the police, we are kind, straightforward, answer their questions, and go home to our families.
Don't break the law, then you won't have any bad interactions with the police. Plain and simple. Finally, there is no "epidemic" of white cop/black suspect shootings. Hardly. What is the reality? Cops shoot white suspects just as much as black suspects.
Social and familial ills in the American minority community are the prime culprit here, and no government intervention can cure that.
That is complete nonsense
Okay, what part is nonsense? Don’t give cops a reason and they don’t stop you. Get stopped, cooperate and graduate.
af773atmsp wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:Max Q wrote:
That is complete nonsense
Okay, what part is nonsense? Don’t give cops a reason and they don’t stop you. Get stopped, cooperate and graduate.
Tell that to Philando Castile. Oh wait you can't, because he's dead.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:Max Q wrote:texdravid wrote:Absolutely none. I'm over 50 and grew up in the deep south. I'm South Indian, and darker than 90% of African Americans.
Unlike said African Americans, I have a difficult name to pronounce, have a completely different eastern religion, and I am in no way culturally American EXCEPT when I speak with an American accent.
I have driven a car since 1986, and have had 3-4 speeding tickets in my life. None of these encounters were in any way shape or form "hostile", "dangerous" or anything other than pleasant.
The fact that everyone now is scared to say is that the police by and large are great people who protect us and put their lives on the line every day, every hour. To say they have it out for dark people, blacks/latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, is simply preposterous.
Now, if you misbehave, do drugs, wield a weapon, use said weapon(s) during a commission of a crime, or any number of crimes, don't expect the police to be nice to you or don't expect to get away with your behavior.
I'm so sick and tired of the anti-police idiocy in this country and the west. There is a reason that Indian-Americans or Chinese or Japanese do not have bad experiences with police or get shot by police or are killed by police. We overall, with very few exceptions, DO NOT BREAK THE LAW. We don't put ourselves in a position at 3 am to loiter at a street corner, acting suspiciously. We don't abuse drugs or commit petty street crime. And when we are stopped by the police, we are kind, straightforward, answer their questions, and go home to our families.
Don't break the law, then you won't have any bad interactions with the police. Plain and simple. Finally, there is no "epidemic" of white cop/black suspect shootings. Hardly. What is the reality? Cops shoot white suspects just as much as black suspects.
Social and familial ills in the American minority community are the prime culprit here, and no government intervention can cure that.
That is complete nonsense
Okay, what part is nonsense? Don’t give cops a reason and they don’t stop you. Get stopped, cooperate and graduate.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:I am not a apologist for, or worshipper of, the police, BUT don’t give them a reason to attack you and there’s very small chance they will, in fact, commit brutality. You can’t control the cop’s attitude, but you can control your reaction. Power corrupts and police powers corrupt quite heavily. If you don’t believe that, just get crosswise with employees who have petty powers—flight attendants and TSA agents come to mind.
Exactly what would you suggest? Get rid of them? Have social workers attend stabbings and plead for peace. Cops are, at best, a necessary evil and we have a lot of violent people, sadly. Or is it your experience that a small minorit6 of cops are hunt8ng down opportunities to abuse the public? My belief is there are “bad cops” there disciplinary record bears that out but corrupt unions and Democratic city politics protect them. It’s not accident these police shootings overwhelmingly occur in the Democrat-run Inner cities. Minneapolis has had D-FLP mayors for 42 years, what’s the cause and effect relationship?
texdravid wrote:Absolutely none. I'm over 50 and grew up in the deep south. I'm South Indian, and darker than 90% of African Americans.
Unlike said African Americans, I have a difficult name to pronounce, have a completely different eastern religion, and I am in no way culturally American EXCEPT when I speak with an American accent.
I have driven a car since 1986, and have had 3-4 speeding tickets in my life. None of these encounters were in any way shape or form "hostile", "dangerous" or anything other than pleasant.
The fact that everyone now is scared to say is that the police by and large are great people who protect us and put their lives on the line every day, every hour. To say they have it out for dark people, blacks/latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, is simply preposterous.
Now, if you misbehave, do drugs, wield a weapon, use said weapon(s) during a commission of a crime, or any number of crimes, don't expect the police to be nice to you or don't expect to get away with your behavior.
I'm so sick and tired of the anti-police idiocy in this country and the west. There is a reason that Indian-Americans or Chinese or Japanese do not have bad experiences with police or get shot by police or are killed by police. We overall, with very few exceptions, DO NOT BREAK THE LAW. We don't put ourselves in a position at 3 am to loiter at a street corner, acting suspiciously. We don't abuse drugs or commit petty street crime. And when we are stopped by the police, we are kind, straightforward, answer their questions, and go home to our families.
Don't break the law, then you won't have any bad interactions with the police. Plain and simple. Finally, there is no "epidemic" of white cop/black suspect shootings. Hardly. What is the reality? Cops shoot white suspects just as much as black suspects.
Social and familial ills in the American minority community are the prime culprit here, and no government intervention can cure that.
DL717 wrote:af773atmsp wrote:I'm curious what stories you have, no matter where you're from and who you are. Can be anything from just a rude cop to a near death experience (if you're comfortable sharing that of course).
My experiences weren't exactly awful, just uncomfortable:
First one was back in 2013. I was visiting a friend in NYC, and we went to a spot to get a good view of the skyline from across the Hudson River. That involved trespassing, but it was just a vacant lot. A cop somehow found us and he definitely wasn't in a good mood. To make matters worse, when he asked for our IDs I couldn't give him mine because it was back at my friend's place (he lived at a university dorm and for whatever reason their policy is guests must leave their ID at the reception desk). I did have my community college ID but it wasn't good enough for him. He gave us a stern talking and considered making us go to court, but he was merciful enough to let us go when I explained that I was visiting for only a couple days.
Second time was in 2014. I was driving and my phone rang, but I couldn't answer (I think at that time it was still legal to use your phone while driving, but I never use my phone while driving). I parked on a dead-end street to see who it was, and seeing that it was a survey place where I could get a little bit of money I called them back. Moments later a cop car parked in back of my car and a cop got out. I hung up and an officer came to the passenger-side window asking what I was doing. I explained that I was making a call and he asked to see my phone. Legally I could've refused, but I had nothing to hide so I let him look. There were a few other officers around, and they tried the number I had just called. I overheard on a radio that the number was just a survey place and to let him (me) go. Apparently at a nearby hotel there's a lot of sex trafficking and they assumed I was part of that. One of the officers said "you don't look like pimp material anyways," which at the time I could chuckle about, but now I wonder if he was inferring to my race. I'm white, so that situation could've gone very differently if I was black, even if I let them check my phone and they realized I was just calling a survey place.
Third time was in 2018. I had just gotten off of work for the night and on my way home I noticed a train, so I decided to go to a spot to get a video of it. This spot is very rural with no houses around. As I drove down the dead-end gravel road to get to the spot a cop car drove past me and then turned around. Right away I knew something was wrong and sure enough the lights started flashing, so naturally I pulled over. The cop asks what I'm doing here, and I wasn't sure how he would respond to "I'm just waiting for a train" so I lied and said I was trying to get to a nearby town. He asked for my ID, and I had remembered that not long ago Philando Castile was reaching for his ID and got shot because the officer thought he was pulling out a gun. I calmly asked the officer if I could step out of the vehicle to get my ID, and he was fine with that. Perhaps it was an odd request, but I just felt safer that he would be able to clearly see me reaching into my pocket to get my wallet. After a little bit he explained why he pulled me over (apparently that spot gets a lot of drunks and drug users at night) and then told me that I was "clearly not going in the right direction" to get to town and told me how to get there.
Last time was in 2019, and involved a cop who didn't know what he was talking about. I was on my bike and got clipped by a car at a crosswalk. Thankfully I wasn't injured, but just to be on the safe side I called the police and the driver who clipped me was okay with that. The cop tells me I'm not allowed to bike on the sidewalk and I either need to bike on the street or walk on the sidewalk. I asked him what exact law stated that biking on the sidewalk isn't allowed, and he just brushed it off saying he would have to look it up later. After that experience it was a long process of getting in contact with the city to see if this cop was right or not. It took a month, but I got in contact with the police chief who said that it's perfectly legal to bike on the sidewalk.
So... You were trespassing, you found yourself in a bad place you weren't aware of where they would have been looking for sex traffickers making deals on a phone, you were down a dark road then lied to the cops about why you were there and you rode your bike on a sidewalk (which except for minors is illegal in most places) - I got such a ticket at the age of 18. So pretty much, they let you go for trespassing, they rightfully checked on you given the circumstances, they were probably concerned for your safety, and they didn't give you a ticket for riding on the sidewalk.
My only confrontation was flicking a cig butt out the window and hitting a motorcycle cop in the leg. Burned his pants. Ticket for littering, Judge threw it out because the cop didn't show up for court that day.