Re: Your view of a pull out from Afghanistan ?
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:39 pm
johns624 wrote:fallap wrote:The breakup of Yugoslavia is a huge "except for". Over 130,000 people were killed. With so many non-state terrorist organizations, I'd say the London, Paris and Madrid attacks would constitute a war. Europe needs to quit with their whole "we're so much more civilized than the rest of the world" attitude.
We have managed to live in peace and harmony in Europe (save the breakup of Yugoslavia) since 1945.
Given Europe's track record for the past 2,000 years I'd say 130,000 deaths limited to óne conflict in the span of (at the time) 45 years and afterwards 20 years isn't so bad. Don't ge me wrong, it was a horrible conflict that brought out the worst of mankind and the subsequent failure to stop it by the UN and European Community is nothing to write home about. But in contrast to the meatgrinder of the two world wars, the Napoleon Wars, and the list continues, we seem to be heading in the right way.
Also, I hate to rain on your parade but the occasional terrorist attacks (mind you, things were a lot less worse in the 1960's and 70's) do not constitute a war, not even a civil war, and if it was the case Europe would still remain one of the most peaceful places on earth.
Regarding our claim on civility, I fail to observe any other part in the world (save Canada, Oceania, as well as a few East Asian and African nations) that retain the same level of individual rights, democratic transparancy, peace, and the opportunity to lead a life of one's own choice. We don't need to tell that we are the best, for we realize that we are far from perfect and aim to be better - I am simply challenging the pessimistic view that wars will never cease to excist, as we have (at least for now) proven that it can be done on the European continent.