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Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:47 pm

In a pretty huge statement, several Japanese researchers based overseas have posted an editorial in the British Medical Journal saying this summer's Olympics should be reconsidered. They caution that Japanese authorities are caught up in exceptionalism myths and vaccine rollout is too slow to hold the games in lieu of COVID. This is significant as Japanese media and officials usually bristle at such comments if limited to foreign commentators.

Plans to hold the Olympic and Paralympic games this summer must be reconsidered as a matter of urgency. The whole global community recognises the need to contain the pandemic and save lives. Holding Tokyo 2020 for domestic political and economic purposes— ignoring scientific and moral imperatives—is contradictory to Japan’s commitment to global health and human security.

Preliminary qualifying competitions for Tokyo 2020 have already been suspended or postponed because of covid-19, and it is now unclear whether equity among athletes can be ensured.1516 We must reconsider this summer’s games and instead collaborate internationally to agree a set of global and domestic conditions under which international multisport events can be held in the years ahead. These conditions must embody both Olympic and Paralympic values and adhere to international principles of public health.


https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n962

In related news, the ruling party's #2 commented in a TV interview that cancelling the games is an option on the table, but he was forced to walk his comments back today.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Tokyo ... No.-2-says
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:29 pm

Only a small number of athletes and support staffs that might attend, Japanese citizens and residents have yet, or by the time of the already postponed 2020 Summer Olympics to this year will have been able to get Covid-19 vaccines or be anywhere near 'herd immunity'. Many poorer countries may not get vaccines at all or only well into 2022. Unless the games in Japan can be postponed into 2022, then as in 1940 due to what would be WW II, they may have to be cancelled. The worldwide Covid-19 pandemic is probably the largest 'bad' worldwide event since WW II. There is just too much risk to all parties. Problems are the financial, political and cultural issues that a further delay or cancellation for Japan would mean.

There should also be consideration of cancellation of the Winter Olympics for Beijing, China in February 2022 or postponed into 2023 for the same reasons.

These pauses/cancellation/postponements of the Olympics should also be used to examine major issues surrounding them.
 
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:20 pm

I am not sure what can occur here. The Games and their preparations are occurring on the edge of the vaccine rollout. As many have stated, some countries may not be as prepared as others to compete by then. I think by 2022 though, the games can go on. The Winter Games in Beijing to me are more of a human rights issue.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:18 pm

Shocking. The Japanese may cave. There's close to a 0% chance the Chinese would cave for the 2022 Winter Games, though.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:11 pm

I was shocked to hear on the BBC TV news yesterday, that Japan's vaccine roll-out has been very slow and only 1% of the population is currently vaccinated (whereas UK is just short of 50% of population having received at least one shot).
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:32 am

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Shocking. The Japanese may cave. There's close to a 0% chance the Chinese would cave for the 2022 Winter Games, though.


They may have no choice - public sentiment is very much against the games being held, especially outside of Tokyo.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:44 am

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cjg225 wrote:
Shocking. The Japanese may cave. There's close to a 0% chance the Chinese would cave for the 2022 Winter Games, though.


They may have no choice - public sentiment is very much against the games being held, especially outside of Tokyo.

Japanese government apparently doesn't have much power to say how and whether the Olympic will be held with final decision power up to the IOC from what I read

scbriml wrote:
I was shocked to hear on the BBC TV news yesterday, that Japan's vaccine roll-out has been very slow and only 1% of the population is currently vaccinated (whereas UK is just short of 50% of population having received at least one shot).

Japan domestic vaccines still haven't finished trials yet and thus must depends on import
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:07 am

Aaron747 wrote:
cjg225 wrote:
Shocking. The Japanese may cave. There's close to a 0% chance the Chinese would cave for the 2022 Winter Games, though.


They may have no choice - public sentiment is very much against the games being held, especially outside of Tokyo.

To clarify in case it wasn't clear, that "shocking" was sarcastic. Fully expect that there will be significant curtailing of the Olympics this year if not another year-long delay or outright cancellation.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:17 pm

If Japan/government wanted the games to go ahead as a matter of certainty, they would have done something similar to Israel, vaccinate everyone as soon as possible, maybe ask visitors (both athletes, staff, and spectators) to get vaccinated too, then there would be no issue.

But they did the opposite.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:43 pm

I don't get why officials seem to see postponing to 2022 as something that would cause a loss of face? Why? I can't think why anyone would see such a postponement as anything other than a prudent idea.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:46 pm

COVID considerations aside, is there much logistical appetite to another postponement? So many sports leagues worldwide tailor their schedule for, or at least make allowances for Olympic participation. Last year, the postponement could be justified because the global problem was still growing when the decision to postpone was made. Many experts said it would be a problem for much longer than a few months, and that has been proven correct. This year, we are making significant progress towards getting the virus under control with worldwide vaccine distribution and much more knowledge about how this virus spreads and how it impacts individuals.

The NBA and NHL chose to sacrifice a quality season currently in order to set up a normal looking season later in 2021. With a usual 4 year rotation, and Paris making preparations to be ready to go in 2024, I struggle to think there would be an appetite to participate in 2022. If they can't do the Olympics this year, I suspect it would be canceled with a promise to Tokyo to hold a future games. I saw Brisbane was awarded 2032, but perhaps they could be pushed back to 2036 and give 2032 to Tokyo.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:18 pm

I think the Olympic Games will take place.

My theorie:
If vaccine manifacturer keep promises in Europe, and seeing the US reaching its end of July goal, many vaccines will be freed for the rest of the world.

Per Google Japan as of April 15th had vaccinated 1.85 Mio people or 1.5% of its population.
Yet the EU up to April 13th claims to have exported 39.2 Mio jabs to Japan. Couldn't that mean a massive vaccination campaign is set to start in Japan....and the Olympics the perfect venue to celebrate the light at the end of the Covid tunnel.

By the time of the Olympics, vaccination should have brought back normality to the US, and Europe on the verge of it. This should liberate about 2.0 billion of mRNA jabs for the rest of the world in the second half of the year. With billions of AZ, J&J, Novavax, Sputnik, Chinese jabs available, half of the World could be vaccinated by end of 2021 and everybody willing to get vaccinated by middle of 2022.

And if vaccines don't solve Covid, the Olympics are the least of our problems...

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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:35 pm

How hard would it be to say, have some of the competitions held in different countries where vaccination % are much higher? So keep the opening and closing ceremonies in Tokyo, but move competitions that are easily accommodated (Basketball and Track and Field, for instance) to different countries.

I would also add, along the lines of "sharing" games, you will likely see a shift going forward towards joint countries hosting games to spread budgets.
 
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:22 am

Aesma wrote:
If Japan/government wanted the games to go ahead as a matter of certainty, they would have done something similar to Israel, vaccinate everyone as soon as possible, maybe ask visitors (both athletes, staff, and spectators) to get vaccinated too, then there would be no issue.

But they did the opposite.

Israel is selected by Pfizer as a priority vaccine roll out country to display the effect of vaccination en masse. Pfizer didn't select Japan so they didn't get anywhere near as many vaccines, and thus they are only able to vaccinate the medical staffs.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:34 am

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I don't get why officials seem to see postponing to 2022 as something that would cause a loss of face? Why? I can't think why anyone would see such a postponement as anything other than a prudent idea.

https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASP4H65TFP4HUTQP011.html
If Japanese government decided to cancel the Olympic without International Olympic Committee agreement, Japanese government will be responsible to compensate all the lost incurred to the International Olympic Committee. Which would be in the number of billions USD. Postponement also cannot happen without agreement from International Olympic Committee, and International Olympic Committee have already denied such possibility of postponing the event again a few months ago.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:40 am

LittleFokker wrote:
COVID considerations aside, is there much logistical appetite to another postponement? So many sports leagues worldwide tailor their schedule for, or at least make allowances for Olympic participation. Last year, the postponement could be justified because the global problem was still growing when the decision to postpone was made. Many experts said it would be a problem for much longer than a few months, and that has been proven correct. This year, we are making significant progress towards getting the virus under control with worldwide vaccine distribution and much more knowledge about how this virus spreads and how it impacts individuals.

The NBA and NHL chose to sacrifice a quality season currently in order to set up a normal looking season later in 2021. With a usual 4 year rotation, and Paris making preparations to be ready to go in 2024, I struggle to think there would be an appetite to participate in 2022. If they can't do the Olympics this year, I suspect it would be canceled with a promise to Tokyo to hold a future games. I saw Brisbane was awarded 2032, but perhaps they could be pushed back to 2036 and give 2032 to Tokyo.

NFL and NBA are bounded to national boundary (of the United States), played by roughly same amount of teams with their valuable players every year. Hence it is their responsibility that the games go on smoothly and minimize impact from things like pandemic. However, the Olympics recur every four years, and each year different countries will host the game, hence the International Olympic Committee would have much less responsibility in paying attention to the welfare and relation with the place and the athletes that are competing in the game.
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:23 am

phatfarmlines : hosting the Olympics without track and field isn't really hosting the Olympics.

c933103 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
If Japan/government wanted the games to go ahead as a matter of certainty, they would have done something similar to Israel, vaccinate everyone as soon as possible, maybe ask visitors (both athletes, staff, and spectators) to get vaccinated too, then there would be no issue.

But they did the opposite.

Israel is selected by Pfizer as a priority vaccine roll out country to display the effect of vaccination en masse. Pfizer didn't select Japan so they didn't get anywhere near as many vaccines, and thus they are only able to vaccinate the medical staffs.


Why aren't they doing as well as the UK or US ? Or at least as well as the EU ? It's ridiculous.

And that with a very old population, for which COVID is deadly !
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Re: Japanese Researchers Recommend Against Holding This Summer's Olympics

Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:20 pm

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phatfarmlines : hosting the Olympics without track and field isn't really hosting the Olympics.

c933103 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
If Japan/government wanted the games to go ahead as a matter of certainty, they would have done something similar to Israel, vaccinate everyone as soon as possible, maybe ask visitors (both athletes, staff, and spectators) to get vaccinated too, then there would be no issue.

But they did the opposite.

Israel is selected by Pfizer as a priority vaccine roll out country to display the effect of vaccination en masse. Pfizer didn't select Japan so they didn't get anywhere near as many vaccines, and thus they are only able to vaccinate the medical staffs.


Why aren't they doing as well as the UK or US ? Or at least as well as the EU ? It's ridiculous.

And that with a very old population, for which COVID is deadly !

US, UK, EU have their own vaccine makers and vaccine production lines.
Japan have their own vaccine research program too, but those haven't finished phase 3 trial yet, so they are not available for now.
Japan also have lower COVID fatality rate per population due to its relatively less case, compares to most European or American countries
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