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Just when I thought US politicians could never surprise me again...

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:35 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQcBbvLOJR8

How in the world do you accuse another of something you've just publicly done yourself while the whole world was watching?

It makes it even funnier to know that the judges Trump forced through at the end of his turn voted against his own idiocy.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:43 pm

Trump didn't force anything through, he filled an empty seat. It's a non issue as well since Biden doesn't have Sinema or Manchin on board with court packing.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:52 pm

A non-issue? Some quotes from his speech:

"Their first priority is to change the rules to stay in power."
"They don't believe in democracy"
"They don't believe in the voters"
"There's a real simple path to that - convince the voters your ideas are right"

and my favourite:

"They are trying to change voting in America so that Democrats never lose".

Sounds awfully familiar.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:13 pm

Virtual737 wrote:
A non-issue? Some quotes from his speech:

"Their first priority is to change the rules to stay in power."
"They don't believe in democracy"
"They don't believe in the voters"
"There's a real simple path to that - convince the voters your ideas are right"

and my favourite:

"They are trying to change voting in America so that Democrats never lose".

Sounds awfully familiar.


Ask yourself this. If the Supreme court was predominately liberal and The District Of Columbia was far right and red would the Dems be doing what they are doing?
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:20 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
A non-issue? Some quotes from his speech:

"Their first priority is to change the rules to stay in power."
"They don't believe in democracy"
"They don't believe in the voters"
"There's a real simple path to that - convince the voters your ideas are right"

and my favourite:

"They are trying to change voting in America so that Democrats never lose".

Sounds awfully familiar.


Ask yourself this. If the Supreme court was predominately liberal and The District Of Columbia was far right and red would the Dems be doing what they are doing?


I've pointed out the hypocrisy in Cruz's speech. I have no say in what happens in the US, nor will it likely affect me in the short term, so I'm not sure i care too much. I just find it fascinating how spineless ALL politicians can be and how it seems that the US is top of the pile.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:29 pm

Poor Teddy thinks that growing that awful looking beard is camouflaging those extra chins he's grown since he's gained all that weight. It's not. It gives new meaning to the old term "feeding at the public trough". While I don't agree that the SCOTUS should be enlarged, changing things in the ruling party's favor is something that both parties do. They never seem to think that it'll come back to bite them when the other side regains power, but it always does.
 
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Ted Cruz is a lying corrupt two faced disgrace. There is no other way around it. He is a member of the Banana Republic Party that waited 11 months to fill a seat, but wasted less than 60 days rushing a nominee through. He wants to talk about packing courts as if he and every corrupt member of the GOP aren't trying to fundamentally alter voting rights for every citizen.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:33 pm

Lol. Ted Cruz... the store brand Donald Trump.

And I don't know what's so surprising. Extreme hypocrisy has been a tenet of the Republican party since 2016.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:00 pm

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And I don't know what's so surprising. Extreme hypocrisy has been a tenet of the Republican party since 2016.


You make a valid point. More fool me.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:03 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
A non-issue? Some quotes from his speech:

"Their first priority is to change the rules to stay in power."
"They don't believe in democracy"
"They don't believe in the voters"
"There's a real simple path to that - convince the voters your ideas are right"

and my favourite:

"They are trying to change voting in America so that Democrats never lose".

Sounds awfully familiar.


Ask yourself this. If the Supreme court was predominately liberal and The District Of Columbia was far right and red would the Dems be doing what they are doing?


Would someone cars to answer the question above?
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:14 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
A non-issue? Some quotes from his speech:

"Their first priority is to change the rules to stay in power."
"They don't believe in democracy"
"They don't believe in the voters"
"There's a real simple path to that - convince the voters your ideas are right"

and my favourite:

"They are trying to change voting in America so that Democrats never lose".

Sounds awfully familiar.


Ask yourself this. If the Supreme court was predominately liberal and The District Of Columbia was far right and red would the Dems be doing what they are doing?


Would someone cars to answer the question above?


Of course not.

Ask yourself this:

If the president was a democrat, and a Supreme Court justice died 11 months prior to the election, do you think republicans would make up their own rules to block a nomination?

Follow up-

If the president was a republican, and a Supreme Court justice died literally weeks before the election, do you think they’d go back on their own “rules” so they can push through a nominee in a week?

You cannot look at what dems are doing now and say it’s taking advantage of the situation, without also admitting that much of the bad faith hypocrisies originated under republicans
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:16 pm

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I've pointed out the hypocrisy in Cruz's speech..


So what did the GOP do to change the rules? What hypocrisy? There is no rule that says you can't fill an empty SCOTUS seat just because its an election year.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:17 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
A non-issue? Some quotes from his speech:

"Their first priority is to change the rules to stay in power."
"They don't believe in democracy"
"They don't believe in the voters"
"There's a real simple path to that - convince the voters your ideas are right"

and my favourite:

"They are trying to change voting in America so that Democrats never lose".

Sounds awfully familiar.


Ask yourself this. If the Supreme court was predominately liberal and The District Of Columbia was far right and red would the Dems be doing what they are doing?


Would someone cars to answer the question above?


That's not how a rhetorical question works. ;)
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:26 pm

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What hypocrisy?


The lines that I enclosed in quotes on the 3rd post in the topic.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:31 pm

scbriml wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

Ask yourself this. If the Supreme court was predominately liberal and The District Of Columbia was far right and red would the Dems be doing what they are doing?


Would someone cars to answer the question above?


That's not how a rhetorical question works. ;)



It is for the GOP. They don't want to solve problems. They want to point to hypotheticals that wouldn't matter if the GOP were honorable in the first place.

IE Federal Court nominees/Supreme Court packing.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:49 pm

casinterest wrote:
scbriml wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

Would someone cars to answer the question above?


That's not how a rhetorical question works. ;)



It is for the GOP. They don't want to solve problems. They want to point to hypotheticals that wouldn't matter if the GOP were honorable in the first place.

IE Federal Court nominees/Supreme Court packing.


Just a guess here, but both parties do it, it’s called politics. Which brings up why do give these narcissistic, incompetent idiots any power at all?
 
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[Which brings up why do give these narcissistic, incompetent idiots any power at all?


That's not a bad question. At least it makes for some "interesting" YouTube finds. In many ways I admire Putin's absolute dominance (but not the way he achieves it). Change the laws so he can stay in power and make anyone who opposes him disappear. Even when such actions are almost impossible to deny, just deny it any way.

I live in a country where it's not all that different, but can't add too many specifics as I'd be breaking the law, with extremely harsh penalties.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:35 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
casinterest wrote:
scbriml wrote:

That's not how a rhetorical question works. ;)



It is for the GOP. They don't want to solve problems. They want to point to hypotheticals that wouldn't matter if the GOP were honorable in the first place.

IE Federal Court nominees/Supreme Court packing.


Just a guess here, but both parties do it, it’s called politics. Which brings up why do give these narcissistic, incompetent idiots any power at all?
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:41 pm

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Which brings up why do give these narcissistic, incompetent idiots any power at all?

We the people literally picked these people via elections to run the country.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:42 pm

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NIKV69 wrote:
What hypocrisy?


The lines that I enclosed in quotes on the 3rd post in the topic.


I read them which is why I am asking what rule did they change? Trump didn't change the rules with the SCOTUS he followed the existing ones.
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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
casinterest wrote:
scbriml wrote:

That's not how a rhetorical question works. ;)



It is for the GOP. They don't want to solve problems. They want to point to hypotheticals that wouldn't matter if the GOP were honorable in the first place.

IE Federal Court nominees/Supreme Court packing.


Just a guess here, but both parties do it, it’s called politics. Which brings up why do give these narcissistic, incompetent idiots any power at all?



We shouldn't, but currently the GOP is not being run rationally.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -13-charts
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There are some deep underlying issues in the GOP, chief of which is that the mental ward is running the ship.

The democrats have their mental cases, but so far they remain in check. But not if you listen to certain media centers that try to convince their conspiracy minded listeners the opposite.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:54 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
What hypocrisy?


The lines that I enclosed in quotes on the 3rd post in the topic.


I read them which is why I am asking what rule did they change? Trump didn't change the rules with the SCOTUS he followed the existing ones.


Why Trump specifically?

How about the voter reform going on in Georgia? We didn't win, so we'll make it harder for those that didn't vote for us to make it to the polls. We'll make it illegal to supply food and water to those in a queue to poll.

How about putting the same effort into ensuring the queues aren't so long in the first place WITHOUT reducing the number of those who can vote.

I think I've written before, but I'm (clearly) not above repeating myself. The US puts itself on a pedestal as the model democracy when it's likely more broken than most others. I'm not saying for one second that the blues are perfect, but the reds seem to use the word "radical" more than any other and, from a distance, are the dictionary definition.

I also find it interesting that in the UK I would be deemed a Conservative Blue, very much against many of the policies from the Labour Red, but in the US I'd very much be classed as a Liberal Blue. My US position wouldn't be so much that I admire everything Democrat or support all of their policies, but that the Reds are just total nutters, loopy beyond belief and I can't believe anything they say. That Trump could be voted in, let alone adored by millions is just beyond all comprehension.

I can't change it, so I just have to laugh at it.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:04 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
A non-issue? Some quotes from his speech:

"Their first priority is to change the rules to stay in power."
"They don't believe in democracy"
"They don't believe in the voters"
"There's a real simple path to that - convince the voters your ideas are right"

and my favourite:

"They are trying to change voting in America so that Democrats never lose".

Sounds awfully familiar.


Ask yourself this. If the Supreme court was predominately liberal and The District Of Columbia was far right and red would the Dems be doing what they are doing?


Stop the whataboutisms. We all know McConnell blocked many of Obama's nominees which left many court seats open. That is how MAGAs were able to be seated. Remember how eight months before a major election was too soon to have hearings and seat a Supreme Court justice but a vacancy just two weeks before an election is fine?

Stop dealing with hypotheticals and deal with the reality that Republicans only want power and only want to be the only political party in the Untied States.

EDIT:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ns/598243/

Republicans didn't have any problem stacking the Senate in their favor with North Dakota and South Dakota were admitted separately and gave Republicans FOUR Senate seats....
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:13 pm

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Stop dealing with hypotheticals and deal with the reality that Republicans only want power and only want to be the only political party in the Untied States.



Although I totally agree with the sentiment, to try and apply at least some kind of balance, isn't that the number 1 goal of any political party?
 
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I think you can recognise this type of political behaviour in many governments around the world.
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I think you can recognise this type of political behaviour in many governments around the world.


You can, but you can also respect the man while disagreeing with the ideology.

For example, I like hearing George Dubblya speak. I love his sense of humour and on balance believe he's a decent man. That he could never have gotten anywhere near the Presidency without being his father's son is irrelevant.

Similar with Obama. A decent guy. Comes across very well, head of a decent balanced family, intelligent and with a great sense of humour.

I'm sure there would be many policies of both that I wouldn't agree with, and several decisions that I might think were wrong, but I wouldn't even begin to judge either of them based on party affiliation.

Trump, Cruz, Mc-whatshisface and the disgrace that is MTG, how in the world do they even begin to be respected?
 
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Trump didn't force anything through, he filled an empty seat. It's a non issue as well since Biden doesn't have Sinema or Manchin on board with court packing.


You left the part out where one of those seats was filled due to the incredible dishonesty of one Mitch McConnel.
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Virtual737 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Stop dealing with hypotheticals and deal with the reality that Republicans only want power and only want to be the only political party in the Untied States.



Although I totally agree with the sentiment, to try and apply at least some kind of balance, isn't that the number 1 goal of any political party?


No, both sides do not do it. Democrats are open to the idea of more parties and sharing power. So, no, both sides do not do it.
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You left the part out where one of those seats was filled due to the incredible dishonesty of one Mitch McConnel.


Obama didn't have the votes for Garland in the Senate. It has nothing to do with McConnell.
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Good ol' Rafa Cruz. After years of flying under the radar he's looking for every cheap headline he can find and hope we forget about his Green Eggs and Ham moment, having his daughter refuse to let him kiss her, the fact that he couldn't even defend his wife, and his unprecedented and unfounded 10 day election commission cruzade.

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Lol. Ted Cruz... the store brand Donald Trump...

Boy isn't that the truth.

johns624 wrote:
Poor Teddy thinks that growing that awful looking beard is camouflaging those extra chins he's grown since he's gained all that weight. It's not.

I think Sen. Cruz's image change was a conscious effort not to look like the guy who got slimed by Donald Trump in the 2016 primaries.
 
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Good ol' Rafa Cruz. After years of flying under the radar he's looking for every cheap headline he can find and hope we forget about his Green Eggs and Ham moment, having his daughter refuse to let him kiss her, the fact that he couldn't even defend his wife, and his unprecedented and unfounded 10 day election commission cruzade.

Francoflier wrote:
Lol. Ted Cruz... the store brand Donald Trump...

Boy isn't that the truth.

johns624 wrote:
Poor Teddy thinks that growing that awful looking beard is camouflaging those extra chins he's grown since he's gained all that weight. It's not.

I think Sen. Cruz's image change was a conscious effort not to look like the guy who got slimed by Donald Trump in the 2016 primaries.


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LMP737 wrote:
You left the part out where one of those seats was filled due to the incredible dishonesty of one Mitch McConnel.

Obama didn't have the votes for Garland in the Senate. It has nothing to do with McConnell.


You have no idea whether that is right or not, because McConnell didn't even have the courtesy to give him an interview, much less a hearing.

Indeed, if it was such a "sure thing" that Garland didn't have the votes, why was McConnell afraid to take allow vote in the Senate?


:roll:


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I am still waiting to see McConnell's.


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Aaron747 wrote:
All slimy creatures undergo some kind of metamorphosis.


I am still waiting to see McConnell's.


;)

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LMP737 wrote:

You left the part out where one of those seats was filled due to the incredible dishonesty of one Mitch McConnel.


Obama didn't have the votes for Garland in the Senate. It has nothing to do with McConnell.

Come on man - that's a red herring. Mitch wouldn't even hold a hearing saying it was too close to an election and the people should decide on who will make the nomination. The EXACT same scenario four years later but with a clear possibility that his guy wasn't going to win so holds hearings on a nominee and gets her appointed. The very definition of a hypocrite.

Oh, and Ted Cruz is a horse's ass - he has a face that begs to be punched :box:
 
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LMP737 wrote:

You left the part out where one of those seats was filled due to the incredible dishonesty of one Mitch McConnel.


Obama didn't have the votes for Garland in the Senate. It has nothing to do with McConnell.


We will never know because McConnell and Republicans refused to even hold confirmation hearings.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/29/62446725 ... atters-now
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Obama didn't have the votes for Garland in the Senate. It has nothing to do with McConnell.


Uh, thank you for proving the dishonesty of the Republican party.
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Ted Cruz is a lying corrupt two faced disgrace. There is no other way around it. He is a member of the Banana Republic Party that waited 11 months to fill a seat, but wasted less than 60 days rushing a nominee through. He wants to talk about packing courts as if he and every corrupt member of the GOP aren't trying to fundamentally alter voting rights for every citizen.


I wished Cruz would return or be deported back to Canada, where he was born. He shouldn't even be a Senator.
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It has nothing to do with McConnell.


Garland's comfimation hearings? Oh, yes he did. McConnell was the one who refused to conduct the hearing confirmation. He flat out said that he was not going to hold the hearing until after the 2016 election, depending on who won that election. Sorry, but it had a LOT to do with McConnell. A lot!!!
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casinterest wrote:
Ted Cruz is a lying corrupt two faced disgrace. There is no other way around it. He is a member of the Banana Republic Party that waited 11 months to fill a seat, but wasted less than 60 days rushing a nominee through. He wants to talk about packing courts as if he and every corrupt member of the GOP aren't trying to fundamentally alter voting rights for every citizen.


I wished Cruz would return or be deported back to Canada, where he was born. He shouldn't even be a Senator.

Though I’m no fan of Rafa Cruz, his birth in Canada prevents him from being a Senator.
 
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luckyone wrote:
AirframeAS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Ted Cruz is a lying corrupt two faced disgrace. There is no other way around it. He is a member of the Banana Republic Party that waited 11 months to fill a seat, but wasted less than 60 days rushing a nominee through. He wants to talk about packing courts as if he and every corrupt member of the GOP aren't trying to fundamentally alter voting rights for every citizen.


I wished Cruz would return or be deported back to Canada, where he was born. He shouldn't even be a Senator.

Though I’m no fan of Rafa Cruz, his birth in Canada prevents him from being a Senator.
Unfortunately, it doesn't. Read the Constitution, Article One, Section 3.
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luckyone wrote:
AirframeAS wrote:

I wished Cruz would return or be deported back to Canada, where he was born. He shouldn't even be a Senator.

Though I’m no fan of Rafa Cruz, his birth in Canada prevents him from being a Senator.
Unfortunately, it doesn't. Read the Constitution, Article One, Section 3.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/


I thought Cruz had Presidential ambitions. At least that path should be closed to him.
 
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:58 am

Virtual737 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
Though I’m no fan of Rafa Cruz, his birth in Canada prevents him from being a Senator.
Unfortunately, it doesn't. Read the Constitution, Article One, Section 3.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/


I thought Cruz had Presidential ambitions. At least that path should be closed to him.


He isn't U.S. born, so he cannot be POTUS.
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:01 am

AirframeAS wrote:
He isn't U.S. born, so he cannot be POTUS.


Even though I live literally the opposite side of the world, I shall sleep better knowing that. Doesn't save me from a second Trump term or, god forbid, the elevation of MTG though.
 
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Re: Just when I thought US politicians could never surprise me again...

Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:31 am

Virtual737 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
Though I’m no fan of Rafa Cruz, his birth in Canada prevents him from being a Senator.
Unfortunately, it doesn't. Read the Constitution, Article One, Section 3.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/


I thought Cruz had Presidential ambitions. At least that path should be closed to him.

I'm sorry, that was a typo! Thank you for catching it. Yes I meant to say that he is eligible to be Senator, in spite of his Canadian birth. I swear iPhone likes to randomly screw with me sometimes when I type things.
 
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:33 am

Virtual737 wrote:
AirframeAS wrote:
He isn't U.S. born, so he cannot be POTUS.


Even though I live literally the opposite side of the world, I shall sleep better knowing that. Doesn't save me from a second Trump term or, god forbid, the elevation of MTG though.

Interpretation of the Constitution states that since his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, he's a natural born US citizen, as opposed to a naturalized citizen, and is eligible to hold the office. He wouldn't have been able to put forth his candidacy in 2016 otherwise. A fact that a few loud conservatives conveniently overlooked for years with then-President Obama.
 
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:51 am

luckyone wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
AirframeAS wrote:
He isn't U.S. born, so he cannot be POTUS.


Even though I live literally the opposite side of the world, I shall sleep better knowing that. Doesn't save me from a second Trump term or, god forbid, the elevation of MTG though.

Interpretation of the Constitution states that since his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, he's a natural born US citizen, as opposed to a naturalized citizen, and is eligible to hold the office. He wouldn't have been able to put forth his candidacy in 2016 otherwise. A fact that a few loud conservatives conveniently overlooked for years with then-President Obama.


I don't think Cruz is eligible to hold POTUS. I honestly don't think it matters where the parents are born. Care to show me where it states that foreign born U.S. citizens can become POTUS?
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Re: Just when I thought US politicians could never surprise me again...

Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:56 am

AirframeAS wrote:
luckyone wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:

Even though I live literally the opposite side of the world, I shall sleep better knowing that. Doesn't save me from a second Trump term or, god forbid, the elevation of MTG though.

Interpretation of the Constitution states that since his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, he's a natural born US citizen, as opposed to a naturalized citizen, and is eligible to hold the office. He wouldn't have been able to put forth his candidacy in 2016 otherwise. A fact that a few loud conservatives conveniently overlooked for years with then-President Obama.


I don't think Cruz is eligible to hold POTUS. I honestly don't think it matters where the parents are born. Care to show me where it states that foreign born U.S. citizens can become POTUS?


https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... nt-update/
 
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Re: Just when I thought US politicians could never surprise me again...

Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:41 am

luckyone wrote:
AirframeAS wrote:
luckyone wrote:
Interpretation of the Constitution states that since his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, he's a natural born US citizen, as opposed to a naturalized citizen, and is eligible to hold the office. He wouldn't have been able to put forth his candidacy in 2016 otherwise. A fact that a few loud conservatives conveniently overlooked for years with then-President Obama.


I don't think Cruz is eligible to hold POTUS. I honestly don't think it matters where the parents are born. Care to show me where it states that foreign born U.S. citizens can become POTUS?


https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... nt-update/


In other words, there is really no anwser even though we have the Naturalization Act of 1790. At some point, I hope the SCOTUS will rule on how to handle this issue. Hopefully, Cruz will never become POTUS.
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Re: Just when I thought US politicians could never surprise me again...

Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:43 am

AirframeAS wrote:
I don't think Cruz is eligible to hold POTUS. I honestly don't think it matters where the parents are born. Care to show me where it states that foreign born U.S. citizens can become POTUS?


Unfortunately, his being born in Canada - to a mother who was a US citizen - does not disqualify, according to most legal interpertations.

His being an insufferable, arrogant buffoon does disqualify him... in my book...

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