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Aesma wrote:I hope his affairs are in order.
readytotaxi wrote:Having read that interview I really would not return to China, he would disappear quite quickly.
Dutchy wrote:Aesma wrote:I hope his affairs are in order.
He best to ask for asylum in Sweden. No more future for him in China.
MohawkWeekend wrote:China's Korean War propaganda movie smashes box office record
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/business ... index.html
Nothing like stirring up the masses before you .........
GDB wrote:On the subject of Taiwan and China, with all the tensions and third parties/allies, a former US Army Lt Col has a view I expect will not go down well with many;
sierrakilo44 wrote:MohawkWeekend wrote:China's Korean War propaganda movie smashes box office record
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/business ... index.html
Nothing like stirring up the masses before you .........
Is it a propaganda movie more so than an American war film? The Battle of Lake Changjin (Chosin Reservoir) which was a Chinese victory in the Korean War. The whole Chinese Second Phase Offensive caught the US and allied forces off guard, and pushed them out of North Korea. It was the longest US military retreat in history, and the Chinese managed to push the Allies all the way back to the DMZ and the war ended in a bloody stalemate.
If that’s propaganda then I guess there’s a big list of American films that qualify too. The US military has well established links with Hollywood, they allow the use of military equipment in films as long as the script portrays the military in a positive light. Top Gun is the classic example, but you also have films like Act of Valour, which featured active duty US Navy SEALs, Lone Survivor, 12 Strong, American Sniper, Zero Dark Thirty, Captain Phillips, Black Hawk Down, even the Transformer movies and Marvel.
The Chinese film industry has a long way to catch up to the Pentagon/Hollywood military entertainment complex.
Aesma wrote:sierrakilo44 wrote:MohawkWeekend wrote:China's Korean War propaganda movie smashes box office record
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/business ... index.html
Nothing like stirring up the masses before you .........
Is it a propaganda movie more so than an American war film? The Battle of Lake Changjin (Chosin Reservoir) which was a Chinese victory in the Korean War. The whole Chinese Second Phase Offensive caught the US and allied forces off guard, and pushed them out of North Korea. It was the longest US military retreat in history, and the Chinese managed to push the Allies all the way back to the DMZ and the war ended in a bloody stalemate.
If that’s propaganda then I guess there’s a big list of American films that qualify too. The US military has well established links with Hollywood, they allow the use of military equipment in films as long as the script portrays the military in a positive light. Top Gun is the classic example, but you also have films like Act of Valour, which featured active duty US Navy SEALs, Lone Survivor, 12 Strong, American Sniper, Zero Dark Thirty, Captain Phillips, Black Hawk Down, even the Transformer movies and Marvel.
The Chinese film industry has a long way to catch up to the Pentagon/Hollywood military entertainment complex.
I'd say the problem with glorifying that event isn't the event itself, although to be fair I don't know of movies glorifying foreign victories against China, but rather the result. The differences between North Korea and South Korea are staggering. And of course modern China is more similar to the South than to the North.
Do Chinese people even know this ?
Aesma wrote:
I'd say the problem with glorifying that event isn't the event itself, although to be fair I don't know of movies glorifying foreign victories against China, but rather the result. The differences between North Korea and South Korea are staggering. And of course modern China is more similar to the South than to the North.
Do Chinese people even know this ?
sierrakilo44 wrote:GDB wrote:On the subject of Taiwan and China, with all the tensions and third parties/allies, a former US Army Lt Col has a view I expect will not go down well with many;
Pleas to avoid war at all costs should not be placed in the “will not go down well with many” category.
He’s right, any US China clash would be bloody, costly, devastating to each side and to the wider global economy. It would set off a global depression, a fall in worldwide living standards and numerous wider conflicts. It risks escalating into a nuclear exchange, and we now know that even a small scale tactical nuclear exchange will have long term global climate disruption effects, at the exact time the world needs to be coming together to fight climate change.
It will be the definition of a Pyrrhic Victory, and probably not even a victory for any party. Just a bloody stalemate and devastation all over. Anyone saying it’ll be so easy and quick is in the same category as the “it’ll be over by Christmas” brigade from 1914......
Kiwirob wrote:The march towards war is on, the recent announcement of Australia getting nuclear power subs is indicative of it, Australia really doesn't need nuclear subs, the reasoning behind it I find flawed.
sierrakilo44 wrote:Is it a propaganda movie more so than an American war film? The Battle of Lake Changjin (Chosin Reservoir) which was a Chinese victory in the Korean War. The whole Chinese Second Phase Offensive caught the US and allied forces off guard, and pushed them out of North Korea. It was the longest US military retreat in history, and the Chinese managed to push the Allies all the way back to the DMZ and the war ended in a bloody stalemate.
If that’s propaganda then I guess there’s a big list of American films that qualify too. The US military has well established links with Hollywood, they allow the use of military equipment in films as long as the script portrays the military in a positive light. Top Gun is the classic example, but you also have films like Act of Valour, which featured active duty US Navy SEALs, Lone Survivor, 12 Strong, American Sniper, Zero Dark Thirty, Captain Phillips, Black Hawk Down, even the Transformer movies and Marvel.
The Chinese film industry has a long way to catch up to the Pentagon/Hollywood military entertainment complex.
sierrakilo44 wrote:GDB wrote:On the subject of Taiwan and China, with all the tensions and third parties/allies, a former US Army Lt Col has a view I expect will not go down well with many;
Pleas to avoid war at all costs should not be placed in the “will not go down well with many” category.
He’s right, any US China clash would be bloody, costly, devastating to each side and to the wider global economy. It would set off a global depression, a fall in worldwide living standards and numerous wider conflicts. It risks escalating into a nuclear exchange, and we now know that even a small scale tactical nuclear exchange will have long term global climate disruption effects, at the exact time the world needs to be coming together to fight climate change.
It will be the definition of a Pyrrhic Victory, and probably not even a victory for any party. Just a bloody stalemate and devastation all over. Anyone saying it’ll be so easy and quick is in the same category as the “it’ll be over by Christmas” brigade from 1914......
Aesma wrote:
I'd say the problem with glorifying that event isn't the event itself, although to be fair I don't know of movies glorifying foreign victories against China, but rather the result. The differences between North Korea and South Korea are staggering. And of course modern China is more similar to the South than to the North.
Do Chinese people even know this ?
c933103 wrote:The movie isn't being branded as a "propaganda movie" simply because of the setting it picked.
Citing a section of review of the movie from Chinese government official media,
The film begins with a concise and vivid plot, telling the audience that the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea is a war of just against aggression, and is a war of just to defend our home and our country. The company commander Wu Qianli, who was on vacation at home, returned to the team immediately after receiving the order. The demobilized instructor Mei Sheng ride a long way to finally reunite with the team assembled to the north. The leader's son Mao Anying determined to go to the frontline of the battlefield... in order to defend our home and our country, and to defend peace, Chinese soldiers have no choice but to shed blood and sacrifice. In the film, the picturesque land of fish and rice in Huzhou, Zhejiang, and the breathtaking and majestic Great Wall are in sharp contrast with the border city of Andong, which was under indiscriminatory bombing by US military planes. We must not let the flames of war hit our motherland, we must not let our enemy take away our land, and we cannot let our enemy deprive the hard-won fruits of victory. The film uses Mei Sheng’s words to express the voice of the Chinese People’s Volunteers: “If we don’t fight this battle, it will be our next generation who will need to fight."
leader1 wrote:And South Korean pop culture is quite popular in the PRC and many have traveled to South Korea on business or vacation. Lots of South Korean men also have Chinese wives. So, PRC citizens are aware of the differences between the South and the North. In my experience, Chinese citizens have split views on North Korea. Some support the country because it's a "fellow communist brethren" who stands up to the "evil USA"; others see the country as backwards and are tired of propping it up and want the PRC to move on. I think the former view has been gaining steam more recently due to the CCP's change in direction, but it depends on each person's situation.
My ex-girlfriend's dad was a pretty high ranking CCP official in Wuxi, which is a Tier 2 city close to Shanghai. He went to North Korea several times for government business and was shocked at how poor it was. Even he thought the central government should cut all ties with the country, but he didn't think it would happen due to politics and the direction he thought the CCP was going.
sierrakilo44 wrote:Kiwirob wrote:The march towards war is on, the recent announcement of Australia getting nuclear power subs is indicative of it, Australia really doesn't need nuclear subs, the reasoning behind it I find flawed.
This exact situation was predicted in this comedy show from several years ago:
We’re spending close to $30 billion a year to protect our trade with China… from China?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MTCqXlDjx18
Kiwirob wrote:I know I was banned from another forum for saying exactly that, its ridiculous building nuclear subs to protect Australia's sea lanes from the country which provides over 40% of Australia's trade.
Cerecl wrote:Kiwirob wrote:I know I was banned from another forum for saying exactly that, its ridiculous building nuclear subs to protect Australia's sea lanes from the country which provides over 40% of Australia's trade.
There is an almost craze-like anti-China sentiment in Australia at the moment. Even non-Murdoch media publishes negative stories about China almost daily. Several editors of a masthead that I read regularly essentially do nothing else but pump out one article after another about how China is a threat to Oz and how Australia needs nuclear subs so that it can get into a war with China. One of them went so far today to criticise the new Bond movie for not including contents portraying China as an enemy/antagonist. I don't agree with some directions China seems to be heading over the recent years but the current warmongering by usually articulate and intelligent people in Australia is extremely worrying. It has gone way beyond politicians playing up an external threat to win elections.
phatfarmlines wrote:President Xi Jinping proposes "reunification" with Taiwan:
China's Xi vows 'reunification' with Taiwan
Source: Reuters via YouTube